Check out this rendering of plans for the vacant northeast corner of 22nd and Delaware
streets. The two-story project would be built to the sidewalks and include parking in the rear. It is being developed by the
not-for-profit King Park Area Development Corp. The group hopes to land a retail tenant for the first floor (they've been
in talks with Ace Hardware). For the second floor,
they're looking for a restaurant tenant that could take advantage of an outdoor terrace with skyline views. King Park already
is accepting construction bids for the roughly $2-million project. The architect, locally based A2SO4, was charged with designing
a building that respects, but does not replicate, historic architecture. Did they pull it off? Will this building fit in?
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Welcome to Property Lines, Indy's source for neighborhood real estate news. Your host is Scott Olson, IBJ's real estate beat
reporter. Edited by Cory Schouten.
Check out this rendering of plans for the vacant northeast corner of 22nd and Delaware
streets. The two-story project would be built to the sidewalks and include parking in the rear. It is being developed by the
not-for-profit King Park Area Development Corp. The group hopes to land a retail tenant for the first floor (they've been
in talks with Ace Hardware). For the second floor,
they're looking for a restaurant tenant that could take advantage of an outdoor terrace with skyline views. King Park already
is accepting construction bids for the roughly $2-million project. The architect, locally based A2SO4, was charged with designing
a building that respects, but does not replicate, historic architecture. Did they pull it off? Will this building fit in?
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So the Mayor adds another non value added layer to having a vehicle towed? Whereby the City Government RECIEVES AN ILLEGAL KICKBACK FROM A LGOISTICS COMPANY THAT SUBS THE WORK TO LOCAL TOW COMPANIES? What is the service the City performs for receiving the "tribute"? This is RICO!!!!! What a corrupt and unnecessary layer. What a dirtbag Mayor and his cronies.
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Owner occupied housing. Clear enough?
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So people think I am paranoid. It's from experience in dealing with puds requested by developers who make major donations themselves to representatives, have nice fund raisers for those running for office and hide through pac's. then there are the public relation firms. You will note some pr comments below. You there Clyde Lee? My opinion. Commercial along 421, great. Multifamily housing, terrible idea that will change the town. Senior condos or zero lot line homes west, great. I suggest keeping all entries to commercial areas at 421. All entries to owner occupied on sycamore. Will keep the traffic on sycamore down some. Two other things. You can't trust what will be there in 10 years. Steve builds quality stuff, but areas change over time. Look at the changes at the wall mart center at 86th and 421 over the last 10 years. Look at the apartments and neighborhoods behind St Vincent's. Raintree properties WILL decrease in value if commercial and multifamily goes in near. It has already been happening around the bridges area. The houses that have been sold recently are way below market. Several deals not closed due to the Illinois construction and the whole unsurety of the bridges. It's pretty simple, Zionsville will approve the whole thing because the city council has been groomed over a LONG period of time for this. I might even suggest some are in their position as a result of this.
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Esta, do you have a dog in this fight? You seem to really want to knock anyone against this project. No, I didn't move to Indiana for the architecture. I moved here for that red barn in the field. The horses and fields of corn. A place that is NOT overdeveloped. There are plenty of nearby places in Indianapolis that could be REDEVELOPED instead.
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RKW - OK, we get it, you're paranoid. The question is, are you paranoid enough? Greg - Yes, Pittman(s) is (are) at it again. They are developers, they build things. It's what they do. So when you go to work tomorrow, Greg, you're at it again too. Cliff - Really? You moved to Indiana for its progressive architecture? That's like moving to England for the cuisine. Zionsvillain - The house you moved to was once a field or woods. I'm willing to bet folks were upset when that ground was plowed under and a house was built. But I guess now that you are in, everything should stop? "My house was OK, but the next one is sprawl." SE Guy - Please don't paint us with such a wide brush. Most reasonable Zionsville residents welcome planned, measured development.
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I hope this project gets off the ground, that area is getting more and more dense. Maybe then Kroger will be able to build the new store they've been talking about for years now.
and Delaware. Shouldn't those be filled before more development is considered?
The land (where the old liquor store is now) on the west side of the
intersection of 24th and Delaware is a prime location for re-development.
It would be great to condense this type of retail development into a tighter
area. Also, the re-developed retail center at 24th and Central also has some
vacancies. The winter farmer's market is doing really well there.
Then again, if they wanted to go build this where the B&B sits instead, I won't care what it looks like.
The actual material used for those wooden slats is key. This is the make or break element of the project. Done right, it could be awesome. Done poorly, it would compromise the design integrity of the work.
...except that it could do without the canopy element at the NW corner. They're popping up everywhere, and this one comes off as really derivative. Much like the mini-Conseco Fieldhouse roofs around town in the last decade...the Conseco Library at 42nd & College, the Conseco Daycare at 21st & Boulevard...
And this is an area of historic homes? C'mon now. 80% of Fall Creek Place is new. Herron Morton stops at 22nd.
However, I do not mind this sort of architecture if it is replacing nothing nice and the development in the area also has some classic 'revival' styled development.
I'm curious how attractive this will be in a few years. I welcome the density with open arms.
However, the building above, if it is going to happen it looks AMAZING. I love the more modern look (this city needs it). It would be very nice if they were to put a grocery store there. Marsh is really nice here downtown but we need more grocery stores here in the city. I think that a Whole Foods would be great!
The signage canopy projects out to reinforce the street plane, which allows the actual building to sit further away from the street. This is nice, psychologically, for pedestrians and allows for better sidewalks and landscaping -- a great idea to promote neighborhood retail traffic.
The corner massing seems weak. This sits on a busy intersection so I would place the main massing on the opposite end, at the street corner. This would also allow for stronger signage, a more recognizable image to consumers and a better landmark for the neighborhood. In fairness, it is a strange intersection, but I think the layout can still be improved.
Yes, the roof thing has been done before, but I don’t think this invalidates it. The large amount of glass at the street level is nice but it could have more. The upper level could definitely use more. Something about the street level doesn’t look right. Maybe it’s the planting bed between the sidewalk and the façade. It’s beginning to look too suburban for the area, but that could be due to artistic liberties taken in this rendering.
Finally, the wood slats seem out of place. If the architect is trying to be sympathetic to the wood siding of the nearby housing, I think he/she could achieve the same effect with masonry and colored mortar. A “harder†material is probably more appropriate for this location.
Honestly, it's tough to tell from the rendering whether it's alternating dark-and-light brick or horizontal siding on the ground level. Obviously brick would have higher first cost but probably lower life cost than wood.
If the building is going to be set back, as it definitely appears along 22nd Street, then the sidewallk should be moved back from the street curb, or widened all the way back to the building. Oh but wait, there's a structure extending out from the building along 22nd Street. What is that? Screening of a loading dock?
Best of luck, because a grocery is definitely needed in the area, but they don't come easily in iffy neighborhoods.
I think that if the older generation (the ones who have seen Indy in the 80's and 90's as a place that you didn’t want to go visit or think about living in; as well as younger people who think Indy is boring and not a real city...) would simply acknowledge how it has grown and its ability to grow, that the city and it inventors would be more inclined to take a chance in an area that is poor or under developed. Positive attitudes create positive outcomes!