A shopping center by any other name

May 30, 2007
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I've got news on The Shoppes at Providence at Old Meridian, a new mixed-use project in Carmel. But first, a question: What's the deal with the name? And second: What suggestions do you have for even more pretentious ones? How about Ye Olde Shoppes at Providence at Towne Centre at the Crossing? Shoppes at ProvidenceOK, on to the news. The new residential-over-retail project is set to open soon with a Dattolo's Italian Restaurant, When Eddie Met Salad and Brockway Irish Pub. The project, developed by Buckingham Cos., is northeast of Old Meridian and 126th streets, across the street from Meijer. Other tenants include Bekah's Salon & Spa, a pilates studio and a sub shop.
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  • i agree that the name is a bit much, although i like the tie-in to a local name - old meridian. there are many great developments built or in the works but have names taken from elsewhere: gramercy, lincoln park place, etc. we have our own great history that should be remembered/represented. anyway, i love this project! i have seen it up close and believe it to be first class. nice detailing in the brickwork, mixed-use (the best kind of development!) and it's bringing more character to that section of carmel. it's also tying in the providence (proper) development to the streetscape. glad to see when eddie met salad going in - local flavor...i've not heard of the other restaurants, but nice to see even if they are a chain, something new. love the current rash of development like this in carmel and am excited about the completion of these. reminds me of chicagoland a bit. smarter, more compact development (i'm a broad-ripplite) is the direction this city and country should be going in. it creates sense-of-place and gets us out of our cars and on foot. less gas, more fitness. not to mention we might actually get to know our neighbors!
  • i guess i forgot to submit a name suggestion for these developments...but first, what's with the old english spelling all the time - shoppes? centre? towne? the next thing we know, we'll all be noshing on fish and chips on our afternoon commutes (actually, that wouldn't be such a bad thing!). anyway, how about sir buckingham's shoppes of northland indianapolis proper at merry olde meridian
  • ...sorry, it's the best i could do...
  • Very well done, Ryan!

    On another note... Nora Northside would have fought this tooth and nail, making their neighbors believe what a TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE it would cause!
  • BTW.. it's a fantastic development. It's almost scary how easy it is to design good development.
  • Its very sad when Carmel is getting better development than Indianapolis. Like Anonymous said, the Nora psychos would have fought this to the death. I'm sure even the downtown neighborhood associations would say this project is too dense. Indianapolis says they are the 12th largest city, but acts like the 112th.
  • Bravo Ryan,

    Took the words out of my mouth. Can you imagine if a dev tried to go 4-5 stories on the BR strip?! What a scary nightmare that'd be!! All those young people walking around with $$ in their pockets!! More value on the tax roles! Maybe even money to clean up the strip!! OMG The Horror!!

    BRVA is just as bad if you ask me.
  • I think the Medicine Shoppe got everything going years ago in the states well before developments were named after panthers, ridges and birds with large wing spans (Florida stuff.....)
  • I'm going with:

    The Grande Olde Shoppes and Theatre Centre of Carmel'

    I just hope there's an Applebee's, a Pier One and a Starbucks...
  • Mary is correct. As 'war on terror' is an oblique platitude--World class city, one neighborhood at a time at Indy's borders is as equally meaningless. From my government tv observations it's all too apparent that the layered zoning and planning agencies are so obsessed with the angle of a propsed reconstructed 'eve' that they end up retarding not just good development----any development !
  • I agree Brad. I find it tough to find anything world class or even nearing that level in Indianapolis. The city government, McANA and city planners all are fighting a war on urbanism and it doesn't look like they are putting their arms down anytime soon.
  • Ivo- agreed. The BRVA is JUST as bad as the Nora gang. They killed Conrad Cortellini's project on the basis of density (a whole five condos -wow) and parking... in Broad Ripple. Give me a break.

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  1. A Tilted Kilt at a water park themed hotel? Who planned that one? I guess the Dad's need something to do while the kids are on the water slides.

  2. Don't come down on the fair for offering drinks. This is a craft and certainly one that belongs in agriculture due to ingredients. And for those worrying about how much you can drink. I'm sure it's more to do with liability than anything else. They don't want people suing for being over served. If you want a buzz, do a little pre-drinking before you go.

  3. I don't drink but go into this "controlled area" so my friend can drink. They have their 3 drink limit and then I give my friend my 3 drink limit. How is the fair going to control this very likely situation????

  4. I feel the conditions of the alcohol sales are a bit heavy handed, but you need to realize this is the first year in quite some time that beer & wine will be sold at the fair. They're starting off slowly to get a gauge on how it will perform this year - I would assume if everything goes fine that they relax some of the limits in the next year or couple of years. That said, I think requiring the consumption of alcohol to only occur in the beer tent is a bit much. That is going to be an awkward situation for those with minors - "Honey, I'm getting a beer... Ok, sure go ahead... Alright see you in just a min- half an hour."

  5. This might be an effort on the part of the State Fair Board to manage the risk until they get a better feel for it. However, the blanket notion that alcohol should not be served at "family oriented" events is perhaps an oversimplification. and not too realistic. For 15 years, I was a volunteer at the Indianapolis Air Show, which was as family oriented an event as it gets. We sold beer donated by Monarch Beverage Company and served by licensed and trained employees of United Package Liquors who were unpaid volunteers. And where did that money go? To central Indiana children's charities, including Riley Hospital for Children! It's all about managing the risk.

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