A shopping center by any other name

May 30, 2007
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I've got news on The Shoppes at Providence at Old Meridian, a new mixed-use project in Carmel. But first, a question: What's the deal with the name? And second: What suggestions do you have for even more pretentious ones? How about Ye Olde Shoppes at Providence at Towne Centre at the Crossing? Shoppes at ProvidenceOK, on to the news. The new residential-over-retail project is set to open soon with a Dattolo's Italian Restaurant, When Eddie Met Salad and Brockway Irish Pub. The project, developed by Buckingham Cos., is northeast of Old Meridian and 126th streets, across the street from Meijer. Other tenants include Bekah's Salon & Spa, a pilates studio and a sub shop.
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  • i agree that the name is a bit much, although i like the tie-in to a local name - old meridian. there are many great developments built or in the works but have names taken from elsewhere: gramercy, lincoln park place, etc. we have our own great history that should be remembered/represented. anyway, i love this project! i have seen it up close and believe it to be first class. nice detailing in the brickwork, mixed-use (the best kind of development!) and it's bringing more character to that section of carmel. it's also tying in the providence (proper) development to the streetscape. glad to see when eddie met salad going in - local flavor...i've not heard of the other restaurants, but nice to see even if they are a chain, something new. love the current rash of development like this in carmel and am excited about the completion of these. reminds me of chicagoland a bit. smarter, more compact development (i'm a broad-ripplite) is the direction this city and country should be going in. it creates sense-of-place and gets us out of our cars and on foot. less gas, more fitness. not to mention we might actually get to know our neighbors!
  • i guess i forgot to submit a name suggestion for these developments...but first, what's with the old english spelling all the time - shoppes? centre? towne? the next thing we know, we'll all be noshing on fish and chips on our afternoon commutes (actually, that wouldn't be such a bad thing!). anyway, how about sir buckingham's shoppes of northland indianapolis proper at merry olde meridian
  • ...sorry, it's the best i could do...
  • Very well done, Ryan!

    On another note... Nora Northside would have fought this tooth and nail, making their neighbors believe what a TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE it would cause!
  • BTW.. it's a fantastic development. It's almost scary how easy it is to design good development.
  • Its very sad when Carmel is getting better development than Indianapolis. Like Anonymous said, the Nora psychos would have fought this to the death. I'm sure even the downtown neighborhood associations would say this project is too dense. Indianapolis says they are the 12th largest city, but acts like the 112th.
  • Bravo Ryan,

    Took the words out of my mouth. Can you imagine if a dev tried to go 4-5 stories on the BR strip?! What a scary nightmare that'd be!! All those young people walking around with $$ in their pockets!! More value on the tax roles! Maybe even money to clean up the strip!! OMG The Horror!!

    BRVA is just as bad if you ask me.
  • I think the Medicine Shoppe got everything going years ago in the states well before developments were named after panthers, ridges and birds with large wing spans (Florida stuff.....)
  • I'm going with:

    The Grande Olde Shoppes and Theatre Centre of Carmel'

    I just hope there's an Applebee's, a Pier One and a Starbucks...
  • Mary is correct. As 'war on terror' is an oblique platitude--World class city, one neighborhood at a time at Indy's borders is as equally meaningless. From my government tv observations it's all too apparent that the layered zoning and planning agencies are so obsessed with the angle of a propsed reconstructed 'eve' that they end up retarding not just good development----any development !
  • I agree Brad. I find it tough to find anything world class or even nearing that level in Indianapolis. The city government, McANA and city planners all are fighting a war on urbanism and it doesn't look like they are putting their arms down anytime soon.
  • Ivo- agreed. The BRVA is JUST as bad as the Nora gang. They killed Conrad Cortellini's project on the basis of density (a whole five condos -wow) and parking... in Broad Ripple. Give me a break.

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  1. How can any company that has the cash and other assets be allowed to simply foreclose and not pay the debt? Simon, pay the debt and sell the property yourself. Don't just stiff the bank with the loan and require them to find a buyer.

  2. If you only knew....

  3. The proposal is structured in such a way that a private company (who has competitors in the marketplace) has struck a deal to get "financing" through utility ratepayers via IPL. Competitors to BlueIndy are at disadvantage now. The story isn't "how green can we be" but how creative "financing" through captive ratepayers benefits a company whose proposal should sink or float in the competitive marketplace without customer funding. If it was a great idea there would be financing available. IBJ needs to be doing a story on the utility ratemaking piece of this (which is pretty complicated) but instead it suggests that folks are whining about paying for being green.

  4. The facts contained in your post make your position so much more credible than those based on sheer emotion. Thanks for enlightening us.

  5. Please consider a couple of economic realities: First, retail is more consolidated now than it was when malls like this were built. There used to be many department stores. Now, in essence, there is one--Macy's. Right off, you've eliminated the need for multiple anchor stores in malls. And in-line retailers have consolidated or folded or have stopped building new stores because so much of their business is now online. The Limited, for example, Next, malls are closing all over the country, even some of the former gems are now derelict.Times change. And finally, as the income level of any particular area declines, so do the retail offerings. Sad, but true.

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