IndyCar has had ups, downs since Wheldon's death

November 18, 2011
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It’s been a mixed bag for the IndyCar Series since Dan Wheldon’s death in the season-ending race in Las Vegas.

On the upside:

Ed Carpenter announced he'll field his own team next season with a three-year sponsorship commitment from Fuzzy's Ultra Premium Vodka.

Rahal Letterman Lanigan signed a deal with Honda and said it will attempt to run a full season in 2012.

Team Penske resigned Ryan Briscoe, Helio Castroneves and Will Power.

Chip Ganassi Racing recently announced that rookie Charlie Kimball will remain with its IndyCar program, having concluded a new multi-year agreement with his sponsor, Novo Nordisk.

KV Racing Technology signed with Chevrolet.

IndyCar last week announced a September race in China.

Lotus has finally nailed down a couple of deals to put its engine on the grid next year.

But it’s far from smooth sailing for the series, and its CEO, Randy Bernard.

The 2012 schedule announcement—or lack thereof—has to be slowing down sponsorship and ticket sales for next year. Bernard told IBJ in September that he hoped to reveal the schedule in October.

Now, sources inside the series say the schedule likely won’t be unveiled until after the Wheldon investigation is finished and it is determined whether high-banked oval tracks are suitable for the open-wheel cars.

Not every team is finding sponsors to be plentiful. Sarah Fisher Racing, for one, is searching for both a sponsor and a driver after Carpenter left and Dollar General drove off to NASCAR. The team’s difficulties came on the heels of its first victory at Kentucky.

Series officials admit there are problems with the 2012 race in Baltimore, as the promoter there struggles to cover his bills from the 2011 event.

And, perhaps most troubling for the series, questions have begun to arise about Bernard’s future.

Fan are complaining about the direction of the sport, and open-wheel insiders have begun to whisper that the Hulman-George family is questioning Bernard’s leadership. Bernard, before and after Wheldon’s death, has insisted he is in IndyCar for the long-term. In 2012, he’ll be entering his third year of a five-year deal.

Despite Bernard’s insistence to the contrary, questions about his future with the open-wheel series can’t help him sell the sport.

 
 

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  • Time for a change
    The sooner Bernard returns to PBR or elsewhere the better for indycar. Hulman George's made a mess employing him. Time to clean it up and move on.
    • Fire Bernard?
      Fire Bernard? And what would you have his replacement do differently?
      • Hey Anthony
        Far be it for me to speculate, but after all, this is a blog on the internet....

        You left out the 2012 NEW car is under total scrutiny as it's unstable and slow on the centerpiece oval at Indianapolis. Cars were supposed to be delivered in 4 weeks time...

        PLUS, the condemnation of the 9 year old Dallara-plane chassis they just retired after the Las Vegas race places the ENTIRE sport in a jeopardizing LIMBO for 2012.

        I'm happy to reveal that the Hulman George crew that is running this sport is in total control. The failure to succeed or fail is entirely on their watch.

        Let's see if Randy can pull another rabbit out of his hat now....
      • Seriously??
        The Truth: you can't be serious! Do differently.. where to begin. I'm all for letting Bernard go ASAP.
      • Surprise...surprise...surprise!
        So, he was about the only guy that wanted the job and they are now questioning him.

        Typical Indy...always an excuse and the fault of someone else when it is all family controlled anyway.

        I thought all key metrics were on the upswing and everything was smelling like fresh flowers.

        If Randy was smart he should already be looking...but then, maybe he was when he said if they didn't get the numbers in 'Vegas he'd leave.

        Might have been a bit of fore-telling in that after all.

        Wonder what IZOD is thinking about all this. It so such stability and growth!

        Why, some of the inner-workings of the successful Indy Car Series are more exciting than watching the same spec car pound around lap after lap after lap.
      • do differently
        this is what his replacement could do differently. not put 34 cars with a bunch of rookies on the high speed oval at vegas. the guy should have been fired right there and then.
      • SFR
        Not all bad for Sarah Fisher, she's committed to a full season already and has bought two cars despite Ed and DG both gone.
      • It's easy to buy cars
        When the State of Indiana is picking up the tab.
      • Just A Suggestion For Anthony
        Hey, Anthony...instead of combining imagination with speculation, something at which you are very adept, why not pick up the telephone, call Josie George, and ask her how Randy Bernard is doing?

        It would certainly beat the 'whispers of insiders.' LOL.
      • Pot Calling Kettle Black
        This coming from the Disciple of IndyCar "combining imagination with speculation" is comical. I've never read so much crap than what's written by Disciple on his own blog.

        My take on Anthony's story. RIP RB.
      • REALLY?
        No Disciple - that would require REAL journalistic skills and not ignorant rumor-mongering.

        It is perfectly understandable, and that includes from sponsors, that a schedule would be SLIGHTLY delayed - we are only 2 weeks past "October" - while the series investigates Wheldons incident. No one is worried if it takes a little longer to make sure.

        And clearly this reporter HAS talked with Mr. Bernard in the past - actual journalism would dictate you would do so here, especially when you are posting such rubbish.

        Likely, Mr. Bernard has figured out the author "m.o." and rightfully now refuses his calls.
      • For the record
        For the record, IndyCar Series CEO Randy Bernard has never refused to talk to me and has always returned my calls. He has always been very professional in dealing with IBJ. Despite many requests to interview Josie George or any other of the Hulman-George family, all those requests (and there have been many) have been denied. Two company board members that are not of the H-G family have from time to time agreed to talk to me for stories about IMS and the Speedway. Thanks as always for reading.
      • How Curious
        Hmmmm. Wonder why they would ever deny an interview request from IBJ?

        LOL
        • maybe
          Maybe it's because the H-G family has little to no use for objectivity, at least not when it comes to the family, its members and businesses.
        • it ain't the schedule
          Hey Kinkman I don't think the cowboy's getting the chop because of the SLIGHTLY delayed schedule.
        • a reporter you're not
          More speculation on Anthony's part. He never does 'interview' anyone and just lifts quotes from elsewhere. Not to mention he's never ONCE wrote anything positive when it comes to IndyCar or IMS.
        • Indy Fans say Fire bernard?
          As a long time INDYCAR fan, I am not saying Fire Bernard. In fact, I would say that he has done more to generate interest in the sport than the previous administration. When was the last time INDYCAR had a positive direction? The only complaints that I hear are from those who want INDYCAR to be a small exclusive club. I for one feel that Bernard has the sport headed in the right direction.
          • Direction
            I would have to say Steve the previous administration isn't a good benchmark. You couldn't get any worse as a matter of fact. I'm not after a small exclusive club I would like to see Indy Car up there with F1. Sadly having watched closely for two years now Randy isn't the right man for the job. I honestly don't agree that he has taken the sport in the right direction, and can't see that he has any idea how to fix Indy Car. Just my two cents.
          • For some reason
            Tim W. didn't get around to ackshully lisitng anything. It is always amusing to watch IMS brownnosers flailing around whilst trying to come up with the answer to the question nobody asked.
          • Is this just the feeling in Indianapolis?
            From someone a long way from Indianapolis and have gone to a number of IndyCar races in the past 2 years, Randy has done a remarkable job in getting the brand name out, generating more interest and media than the previous 10 years, and portrays someone genuinely interested in what the fans have to say. This article is so off the mark, it pains me to actually have to defend Randy.
          • Oops..
            Accidentally clicked a link that took me back to this blog, which I banned for 1 year. Stick to writing out a grocery list instead of sports commentary. Twitter is full of this type of writing and uses much fewer characters/words. See you next November, if by accident.
          • Typical Disciple
            Typical Disciple/Defender, running his mouth at the author and then when refuted, he tries to save face.
          • Say What?
            Seems to me you've been dining with Tony lately. Anything he can do to get back control. What a bunch up garbage. Wheldon's death was not Randy Bernard's fault. The IRL Indycar formula of pack racing was created by the great Tony George and Brian Barnhart after aligning themselves with NASCRAP. You should apply for a job with MSNBC!
          • Clean House!
            In 2 years Randy Bernard has made more mistakes, miscalculations and misjudgments than probably any CEO in their career in professional sports. Las Vegas was the icing on the cake.

            Brian Barnhart has made more mistakes, miscalculations and misjudgments than probably any chief steward in the history of motor racing. But he also remains.

            Bernard and Barnhart should have been fired long ago. The root of the problem is Mari George and her daughters's who by keeping these clowns on and managing the series the way they do, have annihilated all credibility in a once proud and dominant American sport.

            "Remove the George's save IndyCar"
          • Typical
            It looks to me like the only people still supporting Randy Bernard are those who would like ANY CEO that wasn't Tony George. Listening to those "fans" helped put Milwaukee, Loudon & Las Vegas on the schedule. Add up the reported attendances of those 3 races COMBINED (13K, 30K, 24K) and you STILL have a number less than what Texas reportedly drew in a down year (73K). Bernard's "vibrancy" also led to the two most recent Versus races drawing a 0.1 rating (Kentucky & Motegi) and Indy's viewership only going up about 10% when the 100th Anniversary hype should have added much more by itself. And, as for the schedule delay, let's be honest folks. There was a schedule announcement press conference cancelled during Vegas week BEFORE Wheldon's fatal crash. INDYCAR now seems to be using Wheldon's death as a way to cover up the schedule issues they had BEFORE the crash even happened. That's just plain sick.

            Even under a best case scenario, INDYCAR will lose a minimum of 9 tracks (Kansas, Watkins Glen, Richmond, Chicagoland, Homestead, Motegi, Loudon, Milwaukee & Kentucky) since Bernard took the helm in March 2010. Add in the possible additional losses of Baltimore, Texas and Las Vegas and someone could make up a pretty competitive schedule just from recent INDYCAR castaways. If all of this is the definition of Randy Bernard doing a "good job", then how much worse would a "bad job" be? If the H-G family and/or board has a collective brain in their heads, they SHOULD be looking at all these facts and at least "whispering" about them.
          • Interesting
            Randy to be replaced possibly by Tony George is interesting to say the least. I was not a fan of Tony and i don't get the hero worship of Randy. He really has done nothing although the insiders of track forum think he is the second coming. I won't be surprised when Randy gets the boot since nothing about American open wheel surprises me anymore since it is all but dead.
          • To Tony Joseph
            You know why IndyCar lost those races? While attendance was a part in it, another was that the sanctioning fees were too high for a track to take on. You act like it's Randy's decision to lower the fees to make races happen, well it's not. In regards to the article, Sarah Fisher Racing is searching for sponsors....yet she has two new 2012 cars on order. They likely have something in the pipe for 2012 to be ordering new cars, don't you think? Obviously some seem to think Randy was supposed to fix this in two years.
            • To Jeff
              Its Randy's job to make sure there's value for promoters , so they can recover the sanctioning fee. He's created no value in Indycar. Thats why theres no interest. 2 years is more than enough time to show he's capable of making changes and turning things around. Didn't happen. Won't happen under Randolph's watch. All the BS and Randy worshiping aside 2 years back Indycar had a better chance of surviving than it does today.
            • Holiday Reading for Randy
              A whitepaper that was published 33 years ago.
            • It's Called INDY Car
              Sentiment like that is why there will always be a 'split.' The sport would be much better off without that kind of nonsense.
            • Nonsense
              Ignoring important parts of OW history is ignorant. In fact, the IRL is a perfect example of that ignorance.

              Modern day indycar is the IRL, just with former CART owners and drivers dominating the series. With the abandonment of ovals and strret courses, the supreme commander Randy might learn a thing or two by reading the WHite Paper, what the heck, they owe the legacy of CCART and CCWS for its very own survival today.
            • Not so fast
              Over on Trackforem, Anthony is taking a severe beating for this article. Indycar's most ignorant one-eyed wonders deny all claims from this blog. How can fans of this sport be so diametrically opposed to each other on the eve of the 2012 season launch? What is wrong with comprehending the truth about the speedway and the IRL?
            • Quick Question
              Is Mark Cipolloni one of Anthony's super secret sources? If so, no credibility exists. If not, there is a glimmer of hope.
            • Cipolloni
              For the record, I have not talked to Mark Cipolloni in more than a year. I don't have anything against Mark, I just haven't talked to him in a while, nor do I rely on him as a regular source.
            • Burl here, to weigh in
              Randy has blood on his hands, if indirectly and unintentionally. He deliberately and willfully contrived a "fighter jets in a gymnasium" gladiator rollerball exhibition in order to emphasis the speed and danger of the sport with hopes it would draw spectators to the track and into living rooms when nothing else will work. The spector of catastrophe and shock was in order, if all hopes were the event would merely suggest such in performance.

              Ironically, Randy's ploy ended the real and true life of the series and the Indy 500 in all the race embodies, with a horrifying disaster less than ten minutes into "showtime."

              DEATH.

              That is what Randy Bernard ordered up, unwittingly perhaps but all too knowingly possible, in order to boost TV ratings and get the series some much needed exposure.

              Ironic isn't it? Wheldon. Wheldon of them all, sans Patrick. Had it been Viso or Jakes, Mann or Meira, the tragic loss of young and vibrant life would be no less, but the overall impact on the sport would know not such severity of despair. Wheldon. For this reason and this reason alone, with leadership and vision that kills, Randy must be made available for alternative employment.

              It does not matter so much know, anyhow. The sport is nigh long for life and shall not grow longer of tooth past two score.
              • THT
                "Ironically, Randy's ploy ended the real and true life of the series and the Indy 500 in all the race embodies, with a horrifying disaster less than ten minutes into "showtime."

                "That is what Randy Bernard ordered up, unwittingly perhaps but all too knowingly possible, in order to boost TV ratings and get the series some much needed exposure."

                You nailed it Burl. But you forgot to mention Bernard needed higher than 0.8 TV rating to save face and his job.

                If only the investigation is as brutally honest. We all know what killed DW and it sure as heck wasn't his driving. Bernard still being in his post shows a man in denial or blissfully ignorant. I'm betting it's a combination of the two.

                The HG's letting him remain there is simple stupidity.

                • ...
                  Randy also said if Las Vegas was a failure he would quit on the spot.

                  Apparently all the paying ticket holders were refunded and I'm guessing the corporate suite holders were too.

                  Given IICS footed the bill at Las Vegas, and the total attendance was less than half the number of tickets handed out for free, I can't imagine it was by any means a success. Possibly the biggest failure in IICS history?
                • Quick Reminder
                  None of these real or perceived Indy Car 'failures,' as defined by those so obsessed, will ever match the actual collapses of cart and champcar. You youngsters have been 100% incorrect for sixteen years. You're persistent anyway. LOL.
                  • Two Wrongs
                    CART's failure or Indy Car's failure. Either way they've both failed.

                    Disciple you're beyond arrogant claiming everyone else is incorrect. Foolish and pathetic.

                    I'm certain your outlandish claims and personal attacks would be different if you weren't hiding behind a computer screen and the self-important anonymous handle.

                    Jeremy Blackford
                    New York, NY
                  • BEHIND CLOSED DOORS
                    I tracked down Disciple of INDYCARS employment application. I also work at McDonald's. Thought I'd share a few details:

                    Name: Egor Bernstien

                    Born: Phoenix, Arizona

                    Age: 29

                    Height: 5’ 1”

                    Weight: 102 lbs

                    Interests: Adult magazines, adult websites, LEGO, sleeping in small enclosed spaces

                    Achievements: Touched Randy Bernard’s hand once, saw Josie George from a distance, traveled 10 miles outside Phoenix

                    Goals: Bigger computer hard drive, a girlfriend (auto-inflate model with the new attachments)

                    Dislikes: People, children, small animals, peanuts

                    Tell us about yourself: I have a pet goldfish named Randy


                  • Climb Down Off The Cross
                    "CART's failure or Indy Car's failure. Either way they've both failed."

                    No, cart and champcar failed. Indy Car has been turning wheels in its current incarnation for sixteen years. It will next season and will for years after that. Lumping Indy Car in with cart/champcar failure is weak at best.
                    "Disciple you're beyond arrogant claiming everyone else is incorrect. Foolish and pathetic."

                    A simple cursory glance at the majority of obsessed 'Indy Car is dead' hysteria in any Indy Car-related comment section here pretty much defines foolish and pathetic. Don't kill the messenger, Jeremy. I've been buying tickets in parts of six decades. I've got a right to my opinion.

                    "I'm certain your outlandish claims and personal attacks would be different if you weren't hiding behind a computer screen and the self-important anonymous handle."

                    Five minutes of easy research will tell you all you need to know. But would it not be a lot better to shelve the personal nonsense and concentrate on the topics?
                  • failed
                    if you cant see Indycar has failed there's something wrong my friend. just because wheels are spinning doesn't mean Indycar's going anywhere. I was a fan. didn't watch Cart don't know much about it. remain hopeful but not holding my breath while current owners and managers in control. they wouldnt qualify for a job at macdonalds!
                  • Disciple of IMBECILE
                    "I've got a right to my opinion."

                    Keep this in mind Disciple when you next criticize others.

                    "would it not be a lot better to shelve the personal nonsense and concentrate on the topics?"

                    You're kidding right.. when have you EVER put personal nonsense aside and concentrated on the topics.

                    You're as much a joke as the clowns you hold in such high regard at "IRL".

                    Do us a favor and stick to your own blog. ("Troll".. is that the expression?) Most everyone avoids it for a reason.. sadly I read it once, thought it was a satiric prank then realized you seriously believed your never-ending diatribe.

                    Do us a favor and crawl back to the hole you surfaced from.
                  • Is this is what you are reduced to, Disciple?
                    Is this what it comes down to for you? Flailing about? CART has nothing to do with the topic at hand. And for the record, I was in the IRL camp at Split Time because I loved the Indy 500 and oval racing. Not that I had a thing against CART. They had good races too. I enjoyed them. I accepted the fact we had two series, not that it was ideal, knowing it could be damaging.

                    Now let's get back to point. This is about Randy Bernard needing to tender his resignation because, amongst all of the amateur decisions, he now has managed to kill someone, making the vewry naieve assumption this sport was just bull-riding on wheels. He smells of blood. And ineptitude. Therefore, he must resign or be terminated from employment, never to manage automobile racing again. It is not, shall we say, his forte.

                    Adding to the misery, a series so poorly noticed, it takes the horrific death of a talented, compelling, handsome, articulate, fun, and nearly perfect representative of the sport and the Indy 500, to die in a terribly ill-conceived idea from Mr. Bernard to make national headlines.

                    This has nothing to do with CART, Disciple, and everything to do with the entirely semi-pro IndyCar Series. Mr. Bernard's forte is corn dog fairs and cowboys.
                  • The Use of Your Brain
                    You underestimate Mr. Bernard. What Indy Car needs is a promoter, and he is that. Blaming Wheldon's death on Bernard is as stupid and clueless as it gets.

                    Wheldon's freak accident was a one in a million head shot into a catch fence that had the post on the wrong side of the fence. If I were unfortunate enough to belong to your simplistic, thought challenged group, my quaint angst would be focused on the design and construction of the fences.

                    Indy Car will already feature a new car in 2012, albeit compromised by owners. But, to your point, blaming Randy for Wheldon's death is almost as foolish as the witch hunt against 1.5 mile ovals. Neither position makes a lick of sense when intellect is added.
                  • Who approved the unsafe track?
                    Fence poles were the culprit, huh? What idiot on the IRL crew apptoved a race on such a dangerous track?

                    What is it Disciple, bad track or a fluke?

                    New car is a piece of crap too....who fostered that effort? The same idiots that approved the dangerous track and have been nursing a known crap flying car? Culpability rests squarely on Mr. bernards shoulders...
                  • Use Of Your Brain, Part II
                    Fluke. The track is as it has always been. Any car can fly with the right velocity and contact. People who use their brains know all of that.

                    The new car has not yet turned a wheel in competition. How can you presume to dismiss it as a 'piece of crap' already?

                    Look, you should either learn to join the rest of the human race in late 2011, face reality and move on with your life, or, if you are unwilling to evolve, crawl back into the bitter little hole where your little friends reside and think of the next clever little slam that makes no sense. It's up to you.
                  • Negligence
                    Disciple, two things, first if IndyCar needs a promoter there are a hell of a lot more experienced people to employ than Randy Bernard, this goes without saying. Or ICS should pay the dollars and hire a promotions, marketing, PR firm.

                    Indy Car needs a leader not a promoter. They have neither.

                    Second, we all know and agree the catch fence killed Dan Wheldon. This point is not up for debate.

                    The severity of the crash which caused Dan Wheldon's death was heightened significantly by a series of callous decisions intended to boost TV ratings, attract media publicity, provide entertainment.

                    Secure Randy Bernard's employment.

                    If I recall Randy Bernard's intention was quote "carnage and wreaks".

                    A first year junior in a second rate law school would spend a day reviewing the circumstances surrounding this incident and determine cause and effect lay on Randy Bernard's shoulders.

                    If this is not a case of negligence, none exists.

                    There are sure to be law firms eagerly awaiting the outcome of IndyCar's internal investigation.


                  • How About Solutions Instead of Hysteria?
                    Figures. Oddly, I don't remember such angst when Jeff Krosnoff got launched on a street circuit and died in much the same way.

                    Can one of those seated in judgement tell me who would do a better job than Randy has over the past couple of years?
                    • Me
                      "who would do a better job than Randy has over the past couple of years?"

                      Me.
                    • Money Where Mouths Are
                      Please share your qualifications, experience and ideas for the future.
                      • Quals
                        "Please share your qualifications, experience and ideas for the future."

                        I worked in marketing for the county fair.

                        I went on to head the national donkey riders association which had no value until a private equity group invested. Which has since written down said investment as a loss.

                        I studied Business for Idiot's, Marketing for Idiot's, Promotion for Idiot's.

                        That's about it.

                        My bad. I guess I have the same experience and pedigree as Randy Bernard.

                        Maybe there isn't anyone out there more qualified.

                        Get real Disciple.
                      • The Snide Commentary Is Amusing, However.
                        So, in other words, you are no more qualified to run Indy Car than the average McDonalds burger flipper. I kind of had that pegged up front.

                        Let's allow the professionals to do their jobs.
                        • Hmmm..
                          "So, in other words, you are no more qualified to run Indy Car than the average McDonalds burger flipper."

                          In reality, you would be surprised.

                          My point was these qualifications amount to Randy Bernard's.

                          No more qualified than the average McD burger flipper? You called it.

                          Let's go fishing some time..
                        • They're Biting Today
                          So you have not only failed to tell me what, specifically, is 'wrong' with Randy Bernard, but have also failed to offer any suggestion of possible replacement that might fit whatever criteria you have.

                          That is fairly typical behavior in the comment section of a blog, though.
                        • Disciple, it is over for you...
                          ...you are down to the proverbial cornered animal.

                          Naturally, the cause of death for Dan Wheldon was blunt force trauma to the head caused by impactin the support pole of the catch fence. Of course. And it could happen under any number of circumstances while racing. Of course.

                          But the fact remains, the pump was primed, if you will, conditions were met, so to speak, for great enhancement of a major crash and Mr. Bernard is on record as suggesting this was ideal.

                          Any shred of common sense would suggest that placing more cars than participate in teh Indy 500, on a track that could fit inside the IMS, and running like or similar speeds in tighter quarters, was playing a motor racing version of Russian Roulette. Result: The tragic death of the one individual in the series who most exemplified and embodied the spirit of the Indy 500, with a level of emotion and enthusisam not seen in years. Death.

                          Well, Randy got the mass attention and increase in TV ratings he sought. And it took death.

                          Nobody is suggesting that was his hope or aim. Of course not. But he knew full well he was playing with that gun. This time it went off.

                          He is not of major league racing calibur. But then again, maybe what had become of the IndyCar Series is suitable for that level of incompetence. Maybe he fits right in with a semi-pro form of racing.

                          It is too bad the stakes are so high and the one mega-event it has in the arsenal is in such jeopardy at the hands of a rank amateur.

                          Mr. Bernard fostered the atmosphere that contributed to Mr. Wheldon's death. It was not illegal. It was unethical. For this reason his resignation should be tendered or face termination.
                        • ...And The Award Goes To...
                          Pretty dramatic speech. Vastly conspiratorial as well. Where was your angst when Jeff Krosnoff hit his head fatally on a street course?
                        • Toronto was tragic...
                          ...so was Indy a week before the race that same year, likewise Laguna Seca and Fontana a few years later. Difficult times to be sure. The racing world mourned knowing the danger of the sport is always lurking. Therefore, I recall CART's laser-like focus on the issue of safety and was particularly impressed when officials there listened to the concerns of the driver's and pulled the plug on the Texas Motor Speedway race. It had to be embarrassing and money was most likely lost. Caertainly there was no TV rating to chase. Safety first. Impressive.

                          Of note, regarding the IndyCar Series, however:

                          "In an interview three months ago, Bernard promised IndyCar fans that 'danger will be an important element of the sport'.
                          And he predicted bringing in side-by-side restarts would mean 'carnage and wrecks'.

                          Quite a contrast. Quite a contrast, indeed.

                          Resignation or termination, Mr. Bernard. Indeed.

                        • patience
                          "you have not only failed to tell me what, specifically, is 'wrong' with Randy Bernard,"

                          Do a search on Google. Hundreds if not thousands of blogs, articles, stories that are objective and accurately weigh the facts, will answer your question.

                          " but have also failed to offer any suggestion of possible replacement that might fit whatever criteria you have."

                          Patience.
                        • Nothing Really New From Y'all
                          So, other than mostly incoherent shrieking, you folks have not got anything of substance. A quick poll of drivers, owners and IMS shows broadbased support for the man, even after Las Vegas.

                          I have a feeling the vociferous critics are about to be wrong again, keeping that record of near 100% inaccuracy intact for the seventeenth year in a row.

                          LOL
                        • Not too bright?
                          Disciple, I have concern for your reading comprehension skills. I know you are not a MENSA candidate, well, you are not likely a Continuation School candidate by all appearances, but surely you have enough left in your chubby-cheeked head to understand I am not predicting Randy's tenure of ineptitude is ending. I am merely calling for it to end. As it must.

                          He indirectly caused a death. Others are equally culpable, but Mr. Barnard was the man who called the shots. He chose a path of death over relative safety. For this reason, he must be relieved of his duties and returned to the corn dog circuit.

                          As for the Ignorance is Bliss Disciple of IndyCar, I suggest remedial course work to bring up your comprehension skills to a base level, whereupon we can get you tutorial help from Robin Miller once he passes his coursework. Yes, it will be awhile, but the option is out there. Take a look at it.
                        • Let's Get Back On Topic
                          "Disciple, I have concern for your reading comprehension skills. I know you are not a MENSA candidate, well, you are not likely a Continuation School candidate by all appearances, but surely you have enough left in your chubby-cheeked head to understand I am not predicting Randy's tenure of ineptitude is ending. I am merely calling for it to end. As it must."

                          Uh, I got that. I also understand that you and your six little buddies are sort of on your own little island, ferociously out of touch with reality.

                          "He indirectly caused a death. Others are equally culpable, but Mr. Barnard was the man who called the shots. He chose a path of death over relative safety. For this reason, he must be relieved of his duties and returned to the corn dog circuit."

                          Using that twisted illogic, we would also have to conclude that Mike Helton needs to be relieved of his duties. And every other leader of every other form of motorsport too. You see, racing is a dangerous business. Anyone can die anytime the green flag drops. That is something any actual racing fan understands completely. Relative safety = no racing. Kind of like the idiotic cart no-show you trumpeted earlier.

                          "As for the Ignorance is Bliss Disciple of IndyCar, I suggest remedial course work to bring up your comprehension skills to a base level, whereupon we can get you tutorial help from Robin Miller once he passes his coursework. Yes, it will be awhile, but the option is out there. Take a look at it."

                          I prefer sticking to the topic and just offering relevant commentary.
                        • Relative Safety...
                          ...does not include contrived competitions in which the indirect and hoped for result is "carnage" in order to draw attention to the series. The aforementioned Mr. Bernard is stated as saying such things needed to happen. Perhaps Mr. Beranrd would be more suited to heading up a new RollerBall league. He is ill-suited for motorsports.

                          Everyone knows racing is dangerous. He took it a step beyond to irresponsible stupidity.

                          He is lucky, all of us are lucky, the fatalities did not total four.

                          There is simply no solution other than to relieve the man of his duties and return him to making sure corn dog booths are properly stationed around the fair grounds and upwind from the petting zoo and piggie races.

                          Again, I have merely called for his dismissal, warranted as it is. I have no inside baseball if decisions have or are being made in which the inept leader is to be replaced. One could only hope.

                          Again, his leadership goes beyond accepting death as a part of racing, it actively encourages the possibility.

                        • Reactin' is Racin'
                          Interesting comments from Wade Cunningham:

                          "On some tracks, you can't get too close to the car in front so there's a gap in case something happens, but at Las Vegas everyone was so close to each other there is no planning, you're just reacting all the time."

                          Mr. Bernard placed the drivers in harm's way such they were competing in an unnatural environment and forced to be reactive, not proactive, in order to survive. Chilling.
                        • More Astute Observation
                          The oval environment did not seem to become 'unnatural' until the road racers showed up.
                        • Pot Kettle Black
                          "You underestimate Mr. Bernard. What Indy Car needs is a promoter, and he is that. Blaming Wheldon's death on Bernard is as stupid and clueless as it gets. "

                          The same Disciple who scolds everyone else to "shelve the personal nonsense" now calls someone else "stupid and clueless" just for daring to have a different opinion. As William Shakespeare wrote, "It is a good divine that follows his own instructions."
                        • Stick To The Topic Please
                          You probably ought to learn how to comprehend the written word and/or thicken your hide, Tony. The SENTIMENT is what is stupid and clueless, not the person.
                          • Bernard retains his job ONLY because...
                            ...the resulting vacuum of Randy's departure would have left AOW and Indy dead. That's the only reason he has a job today...NOT because he is doing a good job.

                            Krosnoff's death resulted in greater safety for street courses. Kenny Brack, Tony Renna, Ryan Briscoe and Mike Conway, who disintegrated their cars into catch fences (in years 2003, 2005 and 2010 respectively), what exact safety improvements were made, and what was learned and implemented by the IRL to help reduce the high frequency of IRL cars into fences?

                            Yes Mr. Disciple, they did NOTHING except deny that there was a pattern....that's gross negligence. And you want to say the fence caused the Wheldon death....how come?
                          • The time to resign is now
                            Mr. Bernard would be well-advised to tender his resignation sooner than later. With the new IndyCar, sadly now branded the “DW12”, showing signs of irritability at IMS, and given the series’ penchant for higher than normal levels of risk in order to please potential but elusive crowds, a calamitous month of May 2012 could be much more likely than normal.

                            This begs the question, would it be not out of the reach of possibility for Mr. Bernard to face criminal charges, especially if spectators are maimed or killed in the quest for higher ratings and attendance? He has gone on record stating the "danger" and "carnage" element is manifest. He contrived a situation that has already contributed to the death of a popular young star. I'm not a legal scholar, but it sure seems negligent at best.

                            And Disciple, your "road racer" comment is intellectually bankrupt. While you may have that opinion and are entitled to it, the idea is both weak and irrelevant in the face of contrary results to include the very Indy 500 Champion we now mourn.

                            Better at understanding the "unnatural" oval racing environment that contributed to a death would be to assess the rules, specifications, and manipulations of each to further along an outcome that exacerabated the "danger" and "carnage" type of atmosphere in IndyCar racing. A cause and effect analysis as well as a historical background investigation to include review of the decision making process that led up to the Vegas race and overall type of racing we have seen on the smaller ovals is in order. That is much better and helpful than your childish and irrelevant "road racer" remark which serves no purpose other than to make you feel better, Disciple. Neener Neener Who is Keener's? will not solve the matter and only serve to make you look uninterested and immature.

                            I advance you place your passions aside for a more disinterested and logical review of the series apparent miscalculations which have led, directly or indirectly, in death in the quest for notice. And that is not a good thing, Disciple. Not a good thing at all.

                          • Tin Foil Hat Time
                            Uh, because it did.

                            Look, I enjoy these cockamamie conspiracy theories as much as the next guy, and Lord knows Indy Car appreciates your undying attention, but seriously...use your brain for a change.
                          • Tax lien
                            oh yeah, Baltimore GP was just hit with a $600K tax lien for unpaid sales tax at the INDYCAR Baltimore GP this year.

                            Another stellar job by the IRL crew!
                          • The Obsession Continues
                            All Indy Car did was take the money. The debacle surrounding payment is the stench of others, but it makes a case I have been making for years. Street festivals o' speed are an abomination.

                            Keep up the cockamamie conspiracy theories, Chief. They are actually quite entertaining.
                          • Time for a Reality Check
                            Disciple, the past several months I have read your contemptuous pointed remarks at those who dare question Indycar and/or Mr. Randy Bernard. This is not the forum to address your snide comments, or aversion to what is factual or real. It is however adequate to address your meager rebuttal. Specifically, your mistaken belief Mr. Bernard is the person to lead Indycar.

                            Earlier this year a reputable investment firm contacted Mr. Bernard intending to discuss an investment in the Indycar Series, as well as participating teams to assist with the cost of the new car, aero-kits, series expansion, etc. An initial investment of several hundred million dollars was then under consideration. They had no interest in IMS or the Indianapolis 500.

                            Approaching Mr. Bernard was by no means an arbitrary matter. More than seven months was committed to researching every facet of Indycar's organization, to determine if it may qualify for investment, and preparing a strategy capable of resurrecting Indycar. The team behind this initiative included highly experienced people in motorsports, business, finance, marketing and brand development.

                            Mr. Bernard was notified of the firms interest in Indycar and asked to sign a confidentiality agreement, as is commonplace. Mr. Bernard flatly declined. Less sensitive information was then shared, including the capital amount under consideration for investment, an offer to assist in the negotiation of television rights - confident of surpassing what was then in discussion with ABC. Global sponsors were in the wings.

                            For some unknown reason Mr. Bernard refused to speak with the investment firm. At no time did he speak with a representative. Nor was Mr. Bernard available when a call scheduled by his own assistant, was made by the CEO of the investment firm. In itself this represented a lack of professionalism.

                            A letter written by the firms CEO to Mrs. Hulman-George's attention was emailed to Mr. Bernard and Indycar's general counsel to forward on. Neither Mr. Bernard or general counsel passed on this letter as and when requested.

                            Mr. Bernard was not obligated to speak with a prospective investor, but given their state of affairs at that time it would have been advisable. Why Mr. Bernard didn't remains a mystery.

                            Was he rightly afraid of being replaced? Did he have a personal agenda or unrealistic self-belief in his abilities? It has not succeeded.

                            In hindsight, if there was open dialogue between the parties maybe there wouldn't have been such pressure on Mr. Bernard to take the risks he did at Las Vegas.

                            How am I privy to this information. I am one of the firms private investors.
                          • Question for Indycar other than it's moronic paid spokespeople
                            Krosnoff's death resulted in greater safety for street courses. Kenny Brack, Tony Renna, Ryan Briscoe and Mike Conway, who disintegrated their cars into catch fences (in years 2003, 2005 and 2010 respectively), what exact safety improvements were made, and what was learned and implemented by the IRL to help reduce the high frequency of IRL cars into fences?

                            Fenceposts ripped apart Davey Hamilton's feet in 2001, what improvements were had from that accident? Longer footboxes, most likely.
                          • Not surprised
                            In response to Patrick N... why am I not surprised. At least with Tony George the problem was always obvious. Bernard should be more than fired. He should be forced to beg these investors to reconsider. Because it doesn't sound like they'll be willing too. Then told to pack his bags and don't look back.
                          • Tall Tales
                            I would be curious to know more than the one supposed 'side' of that story, you know...the one that positions Bernard as an irresponsible hack because he failed to nibble at millions being dangled by outside folk? About a year ago, for example, Bernard was forced to back away from a whole-series investment that totaled tens of millions every year primarily because Jeff Belskus did not want to alienate Brian France, who had already tossed threats.

                            There is always more to any story.

                            Patrick should also probably perform additional due diligence before condemning yours truly. I am critical of IMS and Randy Bernard as often as not.

                            I also find it interesting that despite all 'the end is near' bleating by Chief and his handful of little buddies, a supposedly reputable investment firm was said to be set to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in an entity that many obsessed with it claim is worthless. If one listens to children like that you might come away with an impression the Indy Car Series has failed.

                            I wonder whether Randy would have backed away from such a supposed investment because he viewed it as some sort of takeover attempt? After all, Patrick, when you use phrases such as '...more than seven months was committed to researching every facet of Indycar's organization, to determine if it may qualify for investment, and preparing a strategy capable of resurrecting Indycar...' it sounds just like the kind of passive arrogance that characterized the entire life of cart and its minions. You know, adults to the rescue and all of that nonsense? LOL. 'Resurrecting Indy Car?' Are you out of your mind? Is it any wonder they would have laughed such a supposed offer away? Use your brain. Indy Car is attached to IMS. They have all the funding they need. Now if you were going to invest millions in sponsorship, track affiliation, ownership of teams, etc., you might get a warmer reception.

                            So get real.

                            My skepticism is tempered by the fact that this comment section is largely unmoderated unless you curse or call someone a name, so basically anyone can say anything.

                            At least he spelled words correctly and nailed the grammar.
                          • LMAO @ d
                            "My skepticism is tempered by the fact that this comment section is largely unmoderated unless you curse or call someone a name, so basically anyone can say anything."

                            I'm shocked, shocked to say that I agree with d. He's right that anyone can say anything on the internets.
                            Why, some delusional fanbois claim to have lunch dates with ole RB while cruising in the private plane... And access to top secret info that shows that somehow, even when the ratings go down big time, all the key demos go up as if by magic... They also claim to have attendance figures for every race, and state that they are all packed with fans. Of course, when multiple tracks say later that they're dropping the .1rl, because not enough people showed up to turn a profit, well, the poor demented honky's (Futurama reference) claims are proven to be false again.
                            But still, he keeps on posting away at IBJ, because nobody reads his inane drivel when he posts it on his own website. :lol:



                          • Tall Tales Continued
                            These creative works of fiction you concoct...are they the product of jealous obsession, vivid imagination, a lack of maturity, or a combo of all of the above? And what does it have even remotely to do with the topic?
                          • Fenceposts and flukes
                            Hey Disciple...you never answered my question about the IRL, flying cars and fenceposts....and the IRL's long history of do-nothing related to fencepost safety.

                            Your lack of response seems to indicate there hasn't been anything learned from thousands of IRL/Indycar wrecks since 2003, nor have there been significant safety improvements DESPITE the data collected during that period. This is true, isn't it?
                          • What Is Deemed Worthy Of Response
                            Ask a legitimate question, get a legitimate answer.
                            • HAy Mac
                              for 16 years, the IRL's only chance for survival has been Mari George's checkbook
                            • Disciple
                              Disciple,

                              "a supposedly reputable investment firm was said to be set to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in an entity that many obsessed with it claim is worthless."

                              - the Indycar Series as a motorsport may have intrinsic value, the potential to resurrect, which remained a matter of closer evaluation.

                              "If one listens to children like that you might come away with an impression the Indy Car Series has failed."

                              - the existing business model is not financially self-sustainable, nor is it expected to ever be sufficiently profitable.

                              "I wonder whether Randy would have backed away from such a supposed investment because he viewed it as some sort of takeover attempt?"

                              - Mr. Bernard had insufficient information to make an informed decision. Mr. Bernard is an employee, not an owner or stakeholder.

                              "After all, Patrick, when you use phrases such as '...more than seven months was committed to researching every facet of Indycar's organization, to determine if it may qualify for investment, and preparing a strategy capable of resurrecting Indycar...' it sounds just like the kind of passive arrogance that characterized the entire life of cart and its minions."

                              - Passive arrogance or due diligence. Fortunately, you're not in my employ.

                              "Is it any wonder they would have laughed such a supposed offer away?"

                              - Mr. Bernard declined to discuss what was to be proposed. He was and remains unaware of what may have been offered.

                              "Indy Car is attached to IMS. They have all the funding they need."

                              - Believe what you will.

                              "Now if you were going to invest millions in sponsorship, track affiliation, ownership of teams, etc., you might get a warmer reception."

                              - Such investment would be reliant on Mr. Bernard and Indycar's governing members. Flushing cash down the toilet would be more risk averse.

                              My final comments on the subject.
                            • This Is Fun
                              "the Indycar Series as a motorsport may have intrinsic value, the potential to resurrect, which remained a matter of closer evaluation."

                              Resurrect from WHAT, exactly? Indy Car has operated continuously in one form or another for 100 years. It is pretty distant from dead, even in its perceived state of malaise. It has survived countless coup attempts and has basically set the bar for the entire sport for an entire century. What, specifically, could any outside organization bring that would move the needle significantly in the context of today?

                              "the existing business model is not financially self-sustainable, nor is it expected to ever be sufficiently profitable."

                              Is that with or without the Indianapolis 500? Isn't affiliation with the 500 the real strength in any case? We have seen what happens when others who think they can do it better try to make such an entity sustainable without the 500. Twice.

                              "Mr. Bernard had insufficient information to make an informed decision. Mr. Bernard is an employee, not an owner or stakeholder."

                              Mr. Bernard is the CEO of Indy Car. Do you know how many business proposals he wades through in a month? Yes, he works for the Hulman-George family of companies, and enriching that enterprise is his first concern. How, exactly, is an outside investment group going to facilitate that tenet?

                              "Passive arrogance or due diligence. Fortunately, you're not in my employ."

                              If I was, I would probably look for another less creepy kind of job.

                              "Mr. Bernard declined to discuss what was to be proposed. He was and remains unaware of what may have been offered."

                              What, exactly, was proposed in less vague terms?

                              "Believe what you will."

                              So you also have insight into the inner financial dealings of a closely held private company?

                              "Such investment would be reliant on Mr. Bernard and Indycar's governing members. Flushing cash down the toilet would be more risk averse."

                              Then why would your investment group be interested in the first place? Oh wait....you were going to 'rescue' them, correct? LOL.

                              "My final comments on the subject."

                              Lord I hope not. This could get kind of fun.
                            • warranted
                              "We have seen what happens when others who think they can do it better try to make such an entity sustainable without the 500."

                              - you've raised one valid point that warrants mention.

                              The Indianapolis 500 would have remained the Series' pinnacle event for perpetuity.

                              "This could get kind of fun."

                              - simple minds, simple pleasures.
                            • Like Pulling Teeth
                              "you've raised one valid point that warrants mention."

                              Is that your final, FINAL comment on the subject?

                              "The Indianapolis 500 would have remained the Series' pinnacle event for perpetuity."

                              Still kinda vague on specifics of the plans your group had, Patrick. Could you be more specific for this here yokel?

                              "simple minds, simple pleasures."

                              Hardly. Got anything substantive regarding this investment deal, or just vague generalities?

                              Tell you what...you can even take it offline. I am available any time at irldefender@aol.com.
                            • Legitimate Question
                              Did the IRL adopt any safety enhancements derived from the significant Brack, Renna, Briscoe, Conway and Dana accident investigations?

                              Anyone, ....Bueller?
                            • THT
                              OK it looks like my reply might have been deleted. Must have been something I said about disciple not that it wasn't what we all agree.

                              My take is it also wouldn't surprise me if the great Randy Bernard wanted it all to go away when someone with cash came a knock'n at the door. Anyone heard of protecting your job.

                              If he did tell the HG's and they dismissed a possible investor or buyer or whatever without looking into it we have a whole new ballgame. This would confirm they couldn't give a crapola about ICS or AOW. It's gone nowhere under their direction and it goes without say they keep ICS drip fed for the 500s survival.

                            • Affirmative
                              When it was called 'IRL,' yes. Also when the corporate entity became the Indy Car Series. Significant changes have occurred to the tub, footbox and rear ends. Indy Car also led the way in the development and installation of the SAFER system, now in use at tracks throughout the country. Texas changed their fencing after Davey Hamilton's crash. The evolution of the car has been an ongoing process, and the 2012 car takes driver safety several steps further.

                              That probably won't stop you from obsessively attempting to position them as monkey see monkey do folks who ignore it, but that is what we have come to expect from your little group.
                            • What Planet Are You ON
                              What planet do you live on Disciple of INDYCAR?? Indy car's distant from dead?? Its on life support and unless someone gets behind it whose name doesn't end in George forget about it. It doesn't matter who's looking to put money in to save the series hear what they have to say. Roll out the red carpet. Pay their airfare, hotel, rental car. Put up their dog at the kennels.Do whatever it takes to convince someone to pump life into Indy car before it's to late. It's appalling what the Georges and Woody have done to racing.

                            • opportunity lost?
                              Reading what Patrick N had to say gave me a glimmer of hope somebody out there is willing to fix the broken indy series. But reading between the lines I think what he's telling us is Randy had the opportunity to talk with these guys and blew it? I hope not.
                            • Nailed it
                              GT summed up the situation correctly, IMHO

                              As to Patrick and the Disciple, in that order.. Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.
                            • Texas Changed Their Fencing
                              Interesting...Texas changed their fencing.....how? Moved the poles OUTSIDE the fence?

                              How does that negate the crashes into the fence, or improve safety after Hamilton's crash in 2001? Are you suggesting the IRL/Indycar has done nothing since Davey's accident to improve the fencing at 1.5 mile ovals since 2001, yet still occurred several similar crashes since then and have done NOTHING??

                              Why would the IMS/IRL/INDYCAR do such a thing? That too is a legitimate question, sir.

                              Please explain your
                            • Chief
                              The sport has been destroyed by we all know who
                            • Fire Bernard? Seriously?
                              Indycar is at last on its way up and all we hear from naysayers like you is doom and gloom. Those people that want Bernard gone must be related to Tony George. He made a disaster of the sport when he decided to take his track and go home in 1996. It's been in a freefall since. TG completely ruined OWR and that people like you are calling for Bernard's head is laughable. Stick to reporting on Black Friday and leave the racing stories to people that know what they are talking about.
                            • The Only Track You Oval Fans
                              care about isn't even an oval
                            • Is what it is
                              Hey Nathan we all have a right to an opinion but you're in the vast minority thinking Randy's been good for Indycar. Which is not on its way up it's on the way out. I was hopeful Randy could do some magic but Indycars become a circus a punch line under his watch. Nothing positive has come if his tenure whatsoever. Hate to say this as a long time fan but it is what it is, can't see it getting better.
                            • Disciple is irrelvant
                              His opinions are just as valid as ours. It is the manner in which he presenst them that reveals his staus as an amateur. He is simply a hardcore, impassioned fan, living in his own world. He is not of authentic knowledge, inside or otherwise. The lunches with Mr. Bernard and access to private entity information are figments of his imagination. There is nothing to see with Disciple. However, we should respect his opinions.

                              Beyond that scope, he is comical and jolly good entertainment. He is just not a racing expert. I am ok with that. Neither am I. There is plenty of room for impassioned fans like Disciple, who wish they wer a part of the sport. It is ok.
                            • Say What?
                              Way to comment on the topic, sport.
                            • Fenceposts and flukes, Disciple answers no questions
                              Why you avoiding the question, tinyD?

                              Here come the mummies!
                            • It's not you, Disciple
                              Disciple, I am not picking on you. Just for the record. No need to be so defensive. You are a dedicated fan and fierce defender of the series, to a fault sometimes, well, most of the time, but you are entitled to your opinions, uninformed or otherwise. So be it.

                              As I stated, an impassioned fan with a vivd imagination adds to the blog here. You can earn a modicum of respect and some credibility by respecting the opinions of others. Otherwise, you just make yourself irrelevant and easy to dismiss. Just trying to help. Just enjoy blogging with the others here, even if you disagree.

                            • Two Suggestions for the Gallery:
                              1. Stick to topics.
                              2. Ask legitimate questions.
                            • New car sucks, but don't worry
                              Marshall Pruett in his SpeedTV article today sez Dallara missed "so many" of it's new Indycar design targets that having the car ready for 2012 season it's going to be a challenge.

                              Indycar and Mr. Bernard deserve high marks for producing this mediocre piece of racing trash. indycar supporters will no doubt view this as win-win....right Defender?
                            • Chicken Little Is Back
                              Must be why there is a lot of testing of the new equipment at facilities throughout the nation.

                              Racing season is a few months down the road. I'm thinking that Indy Car teams are experimenting and putting the plan into action; writers are writing. I know your tendency is to push the panic button with a hair trigger, but those of us who are actual adults are willing to see how she runs in a race. Many of us have actually seen the thing turn wheels.
                            • It's a good thing
                              they didn't have any high expectations for the new wagon: "Phillips says INDYCAR isn’t looking for anything beyond what the previous Dallara achieved."
                            • Randy's Lapdog
                              When will the great IRL oracle reveal the results of the Las Vegas crash investigation?

                              Apparently those "safety" enhancements might not make it to the start of the season...when combined with the investigation results. Will they, o'lapdog?

                              Rumors abound that Talkin' Terry Angstadt has resigned. Terry worked his butt off getting Randy's Las Vegas idea to fly PLUS got the China race on the yet to be released almost all road/strret course schedule. With a non-existent commercial presence anyway, IRL woulda dumped him anyway. Heck, the west coast IRL office is producing big time...NOT. Bwahahahhahhahaha. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out Terry.
                            • The MOB Rules
                              Robin Miller is reporting this evening that Terry Angstadt was FIRED and Brian Barnhardt was burned at the stake...

                              I may have that wrong..check for yourself...chicken little, eh? Bwahahhahhaha!

                              http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-barnhart-removed-from-race-control-angstadt-fired/
                            • Woe R Us
                              I thought those two things were what you guys demanded. Does this also mean the series is DOOMED? LOL.
                            • Naah
                              Just means they aren't nimble and have let the sport ROT on their (Hulman) watch. Total failure for 16 years. IRL concept a bust, oval saviors BUST, new car slothly unstable and barely meeting old car standards...which has the worst record of injury in auto racing history.

                              Oh, and the fencepost/flying cars issue and packing them on a small track at 225 mph...

                              Yep, things certainly are headed in the proper direction....errr, E V O L U T I O N. They'll bring in more CART-infused lackey's because IRL bootlickers can't get the job done. Like you. "Bwahahhahahha!

                              FIRE BOB JENKINS....FIRE MARTY REID....change is good. Come on Randy, we've been saying this for years...we know what's right.
                            • Progress!
                              Well, there's something.

                              Unfortunately the Dallara they bought sight unseen sounds like an utter mess. On the bright side, they are being open about it being a mess. Say, is Ken Anderson available for consulting work? :)
                            • Don't Business Failures Usually Mean Business Stop Doing Business?
                              'Total failure for 16 years.' When they reach their 25th or 50th anniversary, will you still be foolishly shouting 'Total failure for 25 years' or 'Total failure for 50 years?' Chief, honestly, that does not make much sense. Usually businesses that are failures cease doing business well before they reach sixteen. Like cart without Indy. Twice.

                              'Bootlickers?' How mature.
                            • Business failures ususally stop doing business
                              unless someone doesn't allow/ignores how the markets work. The market has told the H/G clan that they don't want their clown car league since day one. The self appointed rulers of all things AOW have chosen to ignore the market though, to the tune of >$600,000,000.00 out of their fortune. They apparently believe the masses must be slack jawed yokels who don't know what's good for them, instead of informed consumers with choices for their racing entertainment.
                              The market constantly tells them that their version of AOWR sucks, but they still keep pumping money into it, possible, just so d can say they're still around, and thus, must be successful.
                              By d's delusional reasoning, anyone on welfare must be successful, because they have $$$ coming in, and are still alive. :lol:
                              The league, while mostly leaching off H/G family wellfare roll, is starting to pull State money to fund its failure. I'm sure d is all for that too though. The H/G clan are the First Family of AOWR. They deserve all the State $$$ they want, as long as d has the 10 days of May... :lol:
                            • Once Again, A Critic Speaks (Or At Least Tries)
                              "unless someone doesn't allow/ignores how the markets work. The market has told the H/G clan that they don't want their clown car league since day one."
                              Hmmm. That's odd. If the market has told the clan they don't want their 'clown car league' (classy, by the way. Mature too.) then how on earth has it survived for this long?

                              "The self appointed rulers of all things AOW have chosen to ignore the market though, to the tune of >$600,000,000.00 out of their fortune."
                              Oh....I see. You must not have signed an NDA when they allowed you access to their books. Could you please provide a more granular breakout of revenue and expenses? LOL.

                              "They apparently believe the masses must be slack jawed yokels who don't know what's good for them, instead of informed consumers with choices for their racing entertainment.
                              The market constantly tells them that their version of AOWR sucks, but they still keep pumping money into it, possible, just so d can say they're still around, and thus, must be successful."
                              If the marketplace rejected the product, why would they not simply go watch something else? Why do 300,000 still show up at Indy? Why did 1,327,000 fans watch Indy Car events in person? How did all the TV avails get sold, particularly with all those horrid 12+ overnight numbers the Internet television experts tout?

                              "By d's delusional reasoning, anyone on welfare must be successful, because they have $$$ coming in, and are still alive."
                              Not really, but most businesses supposedly not successful pull the plug after a year or two once they determine they are unsustainable.

                              "The league, while mostly leaching off H/G family wellfare roll, is starting to pull State money to fund its failure. I'm sure d is all for that too though. The H/G clan are the First Family of AOWR. They deserve all the State $$$ they want, as long as d has the 10 days of May... :lol:"
                              Could you please be more specific with how 'state money' is directly enriching the Hulman-George family? I must have missed that particular transaction.
                            • Yes, Total Failure
                              IRL had to change their name to appease the CART types, isn't that the Defenerere's opinion.

                              WRONG, they changed it after 14 years because they stunk up the sport and FAILED.

                              SO, the IRL turned into the "IndyCar Series" in a last ditch effort to be the series the name originally meant. FAILED again.

                              What's next, "The Newerest Indycar Series" moniker?

                              You and the Hulman family (Randy included) couldn't tear your way out of a wet, ripped paper bag.

                              History and popular opinion agrees with me. Now, FIRE BOB JENKINS and MARTY REID. gettin rid of Danica, the 9 year old crapwaggons, Barnhart and Angstadt are wonderful steps in the right direction.

                              Get a real chassis now and maybe we'll take your free tix and go to your IRL races again.
                            • Been wondering that for a long time...
                              The Disciple of Indycar asks: Don't Business Failures Usually Mean Business Stop Doing Business?

                              Normally, yes they do. But I don't think in any way shape or form you can call Izod Indycar normal. Nor the powers-that-be that operate the series.

                              However, another swing of evolutionary change seems to be occurring in the ol' staff that runs this vaunted series.

                              Say, do really successful businesses have as many shake-ups in major staff that seems to go on over there in Indy?

                              Oh...that's right. This is not a normal business.

                              Just another day in Indycar. Business trudges on "normally" with lots of evolution.

                              I have to say, always fun to watch. Better than the racing.

                            • Information readily available
                              Anyone can use Google and find the articles to back my claims.
                              From H/G losses on the league, to the failed races this year at Milwaukee, NH, KY, Baltimore, LVMS...
                              To articles from last year where tracks said they'll make more $$$ by not running the .1rl...
                              To articles on the TV ratings swirling the bowl every year it's been in existence...
                              To articles of RB's giving away 80,000 free tickets for the Vegas Death Race 2011, but only getting 20,000 to show up...
                              But somehow, d gets top secret info that can't be found anywhere online, except where d himself makes the claim.

                              Who do you trust, folks?
                              d, a Kool-Aid drinking fanboi who claims to be having lunch dates on the private plane with ole RB, or sane people... :lol:
                            • 'Google' As a Source for HG Accounting!? LOL
                              Plus, you can't even get the taunting points straight.
                            • Bruton not pleased...
                              ...with the young mna, Bernard. No. No. No. It doesn't look good. Soon Mr. Bernard, unless he is properly terminated, will be forced to try and get that Dodger Stadium race in play again. Or maybe he can go cowboy hat in hand to Australia and get more American fans interested with a race at Surfer's. Added to Mr. Bernard's misery is the new car not worth a spit's worth of dip.
                            • Attendance and Ratings Rose Again Last Season
                              When will your angst about this supposedly dying series translate into rapt inattention by your kind? I have a feeling that as long as y'all keep obsessing about your perceptions of it that it will always be around.

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