Internet marketing software city?

April 16, 2009
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Indianapolis is known for hosting big races and other sports events, but the leader of an obscure niche called Internet marketing software?

Chris Baggott, who runs one of the companies developing the software, Compendium Blogware, says Indianapolis actually has emerged as a center of the budding industry.

Consider that the city also hosts ExactTarget and Aprimo, both of which have filed intentions to go public. There’s also 5 Buckets, Lights Out Intelligence and Market Path. Broaden the definition slightly, and there’s WebLink International, eTapestry and the well-established Interactive Intelligence.

All told, the micro cluster has more than 1,000 employees.

“Quietly we have become the Internet marketing software capital of the world,” Baggott says.

Why? Indianapolis is close to lots of universities pumping out software programmers and other workers the industry needs. The city also is a cheap place to operate compared with Silicon Valley and other traditional software centers.

Perhaps as important, Baggott says Indianapolis does lots of things right. Traffic flows well, living costs are reasonable, and the downtown is vibrant. The ongoing parade of sports events and other downtown attractions is impressive to recruits as well as potential customers, he says.

In fact, Baggott says Indianapolis leaders do their job so well that they should focus their energies on continuing to do a good job rather than becoming distracted with initiatives like BioCrossroads, which promotes the life science industry. No similar effort has been created for the Internet marketing software companies, but that’s OK by Baggott.

“What’s great about Indianapolis is, the government stays out of my way,” he says.

What do you think about Baggott’s view of Indianapolis as the capital for the industry? Are business conditions here as good as he says?
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  • This and we have the best Marketing Technology Blog as well! :)

    Kidding aside, there is a low cost of living. great work ethic, mid-West spirit and a self-feeding industry here in town. I've worked at 4 successful companies here, including ExactTarget and presently Compendium Blogware. We each respect each other and have shared our experience (and employees... though not always voluntarily). We know how people wish to be treated, and recognize that software is a tool and not a substitute for building profitable relationships.

    In other parts of the country, tech is tech and startup capital runs like flowing honey into any dumb idea without a revenue model. Here in Indianapolis, the leaders of our companies (Autobase, RICS, Patronpath, ExactTarget, Compendium, Aprimo, Interactions, Formspring, Angel Learning, BitWise Solutions, Imavex, Kristian Andersen, RareBird, Six Feet Up, BlueLock, Lifeline Data Centers, etc.) have grown out of hard work with solid business models. We all encourage each others' growth and development.

    I just wish the state identified this important segment and recognized it with as much attention and respect as they do other segments. It's difficult to see life sciences always get the front page when all these other companies are growing by leaps and bounds.
  • And please don't forget that there's also a ton of talent when it comes to using these technologies for marketing.

    Local agencies, marketing firms and connection companies are affordable and have the knowledge to take the technologies and use them effectively.

    There's no reason to go running to NY or Chicago to get great creative story-telling, effective strategies and implementing social media.
  • What a great topic to write about. Thanks for not being quiet about the internet marketing software capital of the world.

    With a list like this it's easy to leave companies out, but I'd like to also add Cantaloupe.tv and our online video management for marketers called Backlight. I also think the list would be incomplete without mentioning Vontoo.
  • Absolutely Brennan both world class and leaders in their space.
  • If you want to meet some of these amazing companies face to face don't miss Tech Thursday at Baker and Daniels North side office this afternoon.
    http://www.techpoint.org/events/techtuesday/Pages/TechThursday.aspx

    Or the award celebration in May!
  • There does seem to be emerging domain expertise here in Central Indiana.

    After ExactTarget and Aprimo, the size of companies fall off fairly quickly. We need
    to grow Compendium, Vontoo, Cantaloupe, FormSpring and others.

    Chris, you should organize a meeting for all these companies to share ideas and best practices.
  • Boy am I embarrassed I left out Vontoo and Cantaloupe! I knew I missed some and those guys are my friends...

    See? There are simply too many to list!
  • Chris – great post. What is impressive is the existing collaboration between these leading marketing technology companies. We all want each other to be wildly successful, we all believe Indianapolis is the greatest city to start and grow a company, and we truly support each other (through partnerships, integrations, joint events, and resources). To Mark’s comments, this can only be strengthened by bringing these leaders together in a more organized effort.
  • I'm inclined to support the efforts of Techpoint here. I think Jim Jay and team are doing a great job as the collaborative resource for our industry. Techpoint is instrumental inmal in managing the relationship between startups and the Halo group for example.

    Events like the Mira Awards are great in recognition as well as collaboration and of course there is huge benefits in all of the various networking events they host.
  • To Troys point on the collaboration between the community, this is one of the
    best things that is helping to grow our industry and make Indianapolis continue to grow as a hub.

    I can count at least 5 startups that have come from ExactTarget alone...not to mention the DNA as different employees move around between these companies. Doug Karr (ExactTarget, PatronPath, Compendium) Ali Sales (ExactTarget, ChaCha, Compendium) Amol Dalvi (Mezzia, ExactTarget, Five Buckets)

    Another point on this is that most of these jobs are not necessarily Tech jobs. 80% or more of the employees of these companies never touch code. They deal with customers and prospects....something that really takes advantage of our strengths in Indianapolis.
  • Chris, you mentioned the point (quite a while back) that all of these companies really need to collaborate more in the cloud (SaaS). I know many are collaborating already but there is a lot of room for improvement (Marketpath is certainly guilty of that). The great thing is that we all fill a particular niche need and are already connected in some way.

    To you point about Techpoint, they used to have a marketing group get together once a month. I think it fizzled out a few years back but perhaps it is time to rethink the group and a newly revised scope geared towards marketing software companies.
  • Excellent post and discussion thread. I certainly believe that the Indianapolis Tech community will only grow stronger by focusing on our strengths rather than trying to fix weaknesses in order to mimic other successful communities.

    We have a lot of great talent here, and companies with many happy customers. I'm looking forward to building on that and seeing Indianapolis software companies becoming a stronger force in years to come.
  • Great post, and refreshing to see this discussion made up by the same people dedicated to removing the 'flyover' label from Indianapolis' technology community.

    Our supporting ecosystem has made leaps and bounds in recent years and we need to continue to capitalize on it. To Mark's point, bringing specifically the young Internet Marketing software companies together could be a very valuable enterprise, even if Techpoint is the means to the end.
  • Chris is right on the money with his assessment of Indy's role in the internet marketing space. It might come across as a bit ambitious – but so what? We could use a bit more of that. With all of the talk about fostering entrepreneurial communities: http://tiny.cc/sbJkm and innovation clusters: http://tiny.cc/UmRXe. It's nice to see an industry gel around smart people, great ideas, and big opportunities, without the need to commission a strategic study to justify its existence.
  • I don't remember who said Indiana was becoming Silicorn Valley, but the label is an apt one. We've got the intelligence and talent to become the 2nd or 3rd prime location of software development.

    So, Chris, if you don't want government interference, does this mean you don't want government assistance or help in growth? Are we missing out on VC opportunities by not being in the Silicon Valley? Is this an issue, or is it easily overcome thanks to air travel and ease of communication?
  • Great thread! Central Indiana and Indiana as a whole is a great place to do business as a tech company for many of the reason mentioned. One of the greatest assets is our willingness and ability to collaborate - to help one another build each others business. Truly unique. Case and point: The TechPoint KSM Executive Roundtable for CEOs of SaaS / ASP companies is a great forum already in place to vet ideas about business and the sector and see results. The last meeting had 20+ CEOs around the table discussing issues unique to SaaS businesses. Valuable forum.... Of course I would be remiss if I didn't pick up on Chris' comment about the MIRA Awards - another great place to connect, celebrate and champion the tech sector (May 16)
  • I hope this groundswell of comments and the level of engagement with Indy's entrepreneurs will encourage the IBJ and others to do more to highlight and celebrate our thriving SaaS sector.

    I applaud TechPoint and KSM for launching the SaaS Executive Roundtable. Last meeting was very worthwhile; looking forward to the next one.

    Great to see the spirit of mutual support and encouragement!
  • Agreed all around. Great thread folks. Indiana is truly a great SaaS and Internet-based services city.

    To KA's point, let's be ambitious. I work with SaaS companies all over the globe - but I find very few places where SaaS companies support one another like Indy.

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