Checking for illegal immigrants

January 3, 2008
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The clash over illegal immigration under way in other states may well show up in the General Assembly this year.

State chamber lobbyist George Raymond expects at least one bill to materialize, and he thinks the chances of passage are pretty good.

The measure probably will look like laws passed in Arizona, Colorado and Georgia that put the onus on businesses to ferret out illegal workers. In Arizona, businesses now can lose their licenses for hiring an illegal.

States are taking action because the federal government hasnâ??t, but businesses say theyâ??re being treated unfairly.

How do you feel about statesâ?? looking to business to cut down on illegal immigration? And if a bill passes, do you feel confident in your ability to know whether a job applicant is in the country illegally?

Read the story.
  • This is a federal issue that should that should be rejected at the state level. Can you imagine all the problems caused by burdensome and uneven regulations and enforcement?

    Indiana should use our positive business climate to attract businesses from Arizona, Colorado and Georgia with their increasingly dysfunctional legislative patchwork.

    We should distinguish ourselves for creating an environment that attracts highly skilled international professionals.
  • Wonder how this would impact global scholars and students drawn to our states universities?
  • It's about time the State did something. How can checking a persons illegal status any more burdensome then checking out his background and experience for a job. It sounds like Nick is PRO illegal and immigrant slave labor. And why would we want businesses from Arizona, Colorado and Georgia, if there going to break the law there, they will break it here.

    GET a clue NICK. AMERICANS want titer immigration laws. It protects ME and the immigrants from BAD Companies.
  • Our agricultural, construction, and restaurant industry would be clearly impacted by this burdensome government regulation.

    We don't need 50 new government regulations for each state.
  • I am NOT for Illegal immigration.

    I am for a Globally Competitive Indiana.

    Unfortunately this issue brings out all the closet KKK members who broadly apply this issue to rally public opinion against people that have a different Race, Ethnicity, National Origin, Color, or Religion than themselves.
  • Nick's quick resort to the race card is typical of those who want to squash debate on the subject of ILLEGAL immigration.

    That card doesn't play anymore Nick.

    The businesses that are leaving Arizona, Colorado and Georgia that Nick wants to attract are run for and or on behalf of ILLEGAL aliens.

    Legitimate businesses willing to pay a livable wage, who comply with minimally impacting verifications processes will stay in those states and continue to flourish.

    Businesses who oppose the law being considered in Indiana have a vested interest in retaining an ILLEGAL workforce at slave labor rates.

    As an example the businesses in AZ and Oklahoma who oppose their laws and have filed law suits are made up of roofers, construction companies, hospitality and fast-food businesses who historically depend on an ILLEGAL workforce willing to work at near slave labor rates or under the table altogether.

    I suspect the opposition in Indiana won't be much different.

    What about the small businessman who has to compete against those that use ILLEGAL alien labor?

    Who's looking out for AMERICANS who are obeying the law yet losing business to those who employ ILLEGAL alien labor as a part of their business model?

    The issue is not about a Globally Competitive Indiana, highly skilled international professionals or global scholars and students.

    The issue is about the Rule of Law and whether we as a country are going to maintain that as a core American value or whether it's anything goes as long as we're making a buck!

    If the latter is the case then let's do away with that other pesky obstruction called the U.S. Constitution.

    I hope the IBJ can maintain some modicum of objectivity in its reporting of this upcoming battle.

    Their story by Norm Heikens; Immigrant backlash could reach Statehouse suggests otherwise.
  • This issue of how best to deal with the number of undocumented workers in this country is going to be one of the largest social debates since the 60's civil rights movement and will further divide this great country if there is no consensus soon. Take this into consideration. To be Pro-American is to be remember our heritage and history of immigration. AMERICANS DO NOT WANT TIGHTER IMMIGRATION LAWS. Americans want a fair and just society. To me it would be fair and just to strengthen our border security but at the same time create a pathway to legal work status for these individuals who have been here working and living just like you. What is more important, the Rule of Law or the Spirit of the Law. All of those that support strict enforcement these new immigrant laws are moving down a path supporting the NEXT BIG SOCIAL INJUSTICE IN AMERICAN HISTORY. It will be a path hard to return from.
  • Please don't confuse migration or immigration with illegal activity.

    Both are very legal and good for America and Indiana.

    Indiana's population is getting older and without domestic and international migration and immigration we would not have enough workers to support existing businesses, let alone support any new businesses. (i.e. Indiana has negative population growth when deaths vs. births are calculated)

    If anything Indiana needs to be more internationally engaged and competitive, just ask Sidney Taurel of Eli Lilly.

    • Brain Drain

      Study: Indiana Remains Area of Outbound Migration

      The state legislature should be working ways to increase migration into the state, not create barriers.
    • Spirit of the Law is akin to situational ethics which is exactly what has gotten this country into the mess it's in and I don't mean just ILLEGAL immigration.

      What Americans REALLY want are secure borders and the enforcement of existing laws.

      There is already a pathway to citizenship.

      The problem is that somewhere between 12-40 million ILLEGAL aliens have tired to jump to the head of the line in a bums rush past those individuals who applied through the appropriate channels and followed the LAW.

      THOSE are the people we should consider for citizenship and not the ones who have ignored our laws.
    • Jason Gonzalez admonishes us with; To be Pro-American is to be remember our heritage and history of immigration.

      I say the truer statement would be To be Pro-American is to remember our heritage and history of LEGAL immigration.

      It's the failure to make the distinction between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigration that is deliberate and dishonest on the part of those who advocate for the interests of ILLEGAL aliens.

      I wonder Jason, does your company CAPTURA, Inc. have a vested interest in fighting the proposed law to require Indiana businesses to verify the eligibility of their workers to work in America?

      The reason I ask is that your web site,, specifically identifies as a service you provide, Hispanic/Latino workforce development and training.

      Just curious.

      BTW, love the music on your site.
    • Nick is still spinning.

      There are no barriers to LEGAL migration to Indiana.

      The proposed laws do not create barriers for LEGAL migrants or immigrants to Indiana.

      Brain drain?

      You think legalizing 12-40 million ILLEGAL aliens solves a brain drain problem?

      In USA TODAY, a study by the center for Immigration Studies was featured (

      The study, an analysis of 2007 Census data, concludes that there are 37.9 million foreign-born residents in the USA. It estimates that at least 11.3 million of those immigrants are in the country illegally.

      One of the key findings is that 31% of immigrant adults don't have a high school diploma, compared with 8% of U.S.-born residents.

      That is important, Camarota says, because it correlates with high rates of welfare and poverty: 33% of households headed by immigrants use at least one major welfare program such as the Women, Infants and Children nutrition program, compared with 19% of U.S.-born households. It costs a lot of money, he says. Does it make sense to bring in lots of people who don't have lots of education?

      Let's stick to the FACTS.
    • What I am advocating is a effective national solution, not a incomplete patch work of state laws that create more problems than they solve.

      Our founding fathers clearly designated the President of the United States as our foreign policy leader and gave our NATIONAL Congress exclusive authority through the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution to manage trade activities between the states and with foreign nations.

      Immigration and Interstate Commerce are a national issues that Washington DC needs to address.
    • Nick is really reaching with this appeal to the Commerce Clause as it applies to immigration.

      First, we're talking about ILLEGAL immigration not LEGAL immigration.

      Nick claims that different state laws create a problem but offer no proof of such.

      Different states have different laws about ILLEGAL drugs and that doesn't seem to create a problem.

      But let's give Nick a chance to explain in detail his effective national solution.

      What exactly would that be Nick? Does it include the building of a fence and securing all five of our borders? Does it include holding employers accountable for verifying that they hire only those that are eligible to work in America?
    • Old Veteran,

      I think Nick is advocating a change in the law. I agree with him; my future Social Security and Medicare benefits depend on more workers paying into the system. They're more likely to do that if legal.

      It sounds like your whole argument boils down to an assertion that uneducated and unskilled immigrants are a drag on the economy. 250 years of North American history proves you wrong. My immigrant ancestors and yours came in waves, without education or wealth, and built the greatest nation in history.

      When you were serving our country, part of what you were defending was the American spirit expressed in the hope engraved on the base of the Statue of Liberty: Give me your tired, your poor...
    • I lived several years in a country in South America and was born there and has legally immigrated to the United States.

      My ancedotal understanding is that it may be easier to legally immigrate from wealthier, European nations, but my personal experience with this one poor nation is that the chances for an average resident ever legally come to the United States are about nil.

      A person there must either marry a U.S. citizen or put his name into a lottery where a thousand get a visa annually out of millions of applicants.

      I understand that the United States may not be able to open its borders to every poor person looking for a better life. But I would feel better about these debates if I knew that One Old Veteran and those who espouse his views knew how utterly difficult it is to come to the U.S. legally and that people go the illegal route, often risking their lives, not out of laziness or disregard of the system but out of pure desperation.
    • I'm sorry, the first line of my former post is supposed to read: South American and my husband was born there ...
    • Show me a 10 foot fence, and I will show you a 11 foot ladder.
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    • Thundermutt is talking about a time in our history when formal education didn't matter. The argument does NOT boil down to unskilled immigrants being a drag on the economy.

      Adding millions of illiterate individuals to our society comes with it's own set of unique problems never thought of much less experienced in the last 250 years.

      Take Canada for example where a weighted system takes the skills and qualities that the immigrant brings to the table and the needs of the country.

      Immigration, LEGAL immigration should be based on the needs of America not the needs of those who want to come here.

      If the latter is the driver then we might as well forget our borders and give the entire world a hearty Hoosier ya'll come now.

      You want more LEGAL immigration to support your SS benefits? Fine, do it the right way.

      There is no possible excuse for ILLEGAL aliens being in this country.

      There is no possible excuse for putting those ILLEGALLY in this country on a path to citizenship as a reward for breaking our laws.

      And to thundermutt I say; I was not defending a poem, in spirit or literally, that won a contest to help finance the base of the Statute of Liberty.

      I was however, like ALL veterans, sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

      You know that little document from which all law flows.

      It is the Rule of Law, a core American Value that is at stake here.
    • To Anon post #16 I say this.

      As a former officer of the U.S. Customs Service, and one who has stood a post in the dead of winter on our northern border, I think I know exactly how difficult it is to legally immigrate to the U.S.
    • Old Vet,

      Once again: Nick seems to be (and I am definitely) advocating a change in the law. You know, free speech and petitioning the government and all that stuff. Thank you for your service protecting that right for us.

      How about we let Congress settle the issue, constitutionally and appropriately. That is the right way, to use your phrase.
    • Thundermutt is absolutely correct that Congress should resolve the issue.

      Failing that, the States have the right, in fact the DUTY, to resolve those aspects of ILLEGAL immigration that are legally available for them to do so.

      The American people rejected AMNESTY not once but TWICE last year.

      Americans overwhelmingly want an enforcement first solution to ILLEGAL immigration.

      The majority position is quite clear and equally simple.

      Secure our borders and enforce existing laws.

      Equally clear is the message that if Congress can't or won't then the States can and will.
    • I am an expat working (legally) here in Indy for 3 years now.
      I must say that Indy is now starting to look like California, in the sense that there are more Hispanics. Nick, I assume that they are here legally. What do you think?
    • I was born in Indiana.

      Yes, I have noticed an increase in international citizens and am very impressed with their commitment to family, strong work ethic, dedication to education, and appreciation of a free press and fair elections.

      They are living the American Dream.
    • According to Pew Hispanic Center, March 7th, 2006 report, in 2005 there were an estimated 55,000 to 85,000 ILLEGAL aliens living in Indiana.

      I suspect that in the last three years and with the ongoing exodus of ILLEGAL aliens from states that are cracking down on the employment of ILLEGAL aliens (Arizona, Oklahoma, & Tennessee) that we have and will continue to see, a substantial increase in the number of ILLEGAL aliens in Indiana.

      So no, I wouldn't assume that they are all here legally.
    • I would like to know Mayor's Ballard position on this hot issue... considering the fact that he just appointed few days ago a ex-illegal alien and non-american citizen as a top senior adviser on immigrant affairs.
    • The INDIANAPOLIS STAR has broken the story on this bill.

      Mike Delph has taken the lead on pushing this through the Indiana Legislature.

      Check out:
    • I'm so glad our state legislature is so focused on issues that are so critical to voters (and so likely to end up in court): prayer in the General Assembly, immigration policy, etc.

      How about if they just fix the property tax mess they created, and modernize/streamline our government structures?

      Oh, wait. That requires more than grandstanding, distraction, and misdirected effort.

      This is a short session, and there is no time to waste on anything that isn't tax policy and government modernization.
    • The proposed bill on dealing with the hiring of ILLEGAL aliens has a direct effect on the issue of property taxes.

      Over $300 million is spent each year for educating the children of ILLEGAL aliens in Indiana.

      You say but the Supreme Court says we have to educate children no matter their legal residency? Yes, but we wouldn't if they weren't here in the first place.

      We demand politicians reduce our property taxes by cutting back spending. This bill will have the same effect.

      ILLEGAL aliens are a net drain on our financial and social welfare infrastructures and do impact our property taxes NEGATIVELY.

      Thundermutt warns that this legislation is likely to end up in court.

      Yes, and who is likely to put it there? The ACLU, the Mexican Consulate, ILLEGAL aliens, fast food restaurant owners, construction companies, roofers, landscapers and others who employ ILLEGAL alien labor as a part of their business model.

      This law is modeled after the Oklahoma/Arizona laws which have already withstood early legal challenges in local and federal courts.

      What's the alternative? Wait for the feds or do nothing? Whooops, that's the same thing.
    • Just what Indiana does NOT need, another barrier discouraging people, business, diversity, and growth! Lawmakers need to focus on a fix to Indiana's continuing population drain, brain drain, and our aging demographics. Instead of a barrier to keep people
    • Only those unconcerned with the future of America would advocate the acceptance of Illegals into our nation. They 'feel good' about helping some criminal attain the american dream at the expense of a legal citizen. Let's face it and call it what it is. Those that don't support this law and the enforcement of immigration laws stand to profit from the current situation. If it was costing them money, they would be demanding enforcement. They claim it is an issue for the Federal Government - since they are doing nothing, but if they did what the majority wanted - enforce the immigration laws aggressively and deport immediately, they would complain about that the government being involved at all. It is funny how Republican have become bleeding heart liberals in regards to illegal immigration. It just goes to show you there is a buck in it for business.

      This country never had people coming in at the rate they are now. From the 20's until the mid 60's, we allowed less than 180k into the country each year, It is really irrelevant what the odds are of one person getting a visa because we can't take everyone that wants in regardless, so someone will be left out in the cold.

      Please get your head out of the sand, and look at what this is going to do to your children and grandchildren. Visit and watch the video and come back and tell me there is no need for concern.

      I encourage oov to develop a list of companies that fight this legislation, so those of us that want to boycut them can be informed of the internal enemy.
    • Illinois, California and other states have passed laws preventing use of the E-verify database until it can be certified accurate in order to prevent violations of current job discrimination laws.
    • We really don't need a law. Just have them read this board to see how welcoming and supporting some Hoosiers are of new immigrants.
    • Not Ready for Primetime

      Mr Delph is wanting to mandate Indiana businesses use E-Verify with his legislation.

      Recent Report: E-Verify Database Fails Standard Test

      The E-Verify program uses a database that does not meet accuracy standards set by Congress.

      In the evaluation, it was found that the accuracy of the USCIS database used in E-Verify has improved in recent years, but still does not meet requirements set by Congress.

      “Most importantly, the database used for verification is still not sufficiently up to date to meet the [Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996] requirement for accurate verification, especially for naturalized citizens,” the report said.

      USCIS and SSA accommodate this problem by providing for a manual review of these cases. However, those reviews are time-consuming and may result in discrimination against work-authorized foreign-born persons, the report said. The risk of discrimination may occur during the period the verification is ongoing if employers do not follow procedures designed to protect employee rights, the authors said.

      In addition, the system remains vulnerable to errors caused by incorrect information submitted by employers, the report found.

      No one can verify legal status by looking at someone.

      An error prone e-verify systems that doesn't even meet accuracy levels set by Congress for federal use guarantees an increase of job discrimination law violations based upon race, color, religion, sex or ethnic/national origin and their corresponding financial penalties.

      Let Indiana's largest employer (The Federal Government) mandate it for itself for a couple years and work out the kinks before they try to tell private businesses what to do.
    • Nick is still spinning and refusing to answer direct questions.

      Illinois was sued by DHS for passing a law that prohibits employers from using e-verify.

      Illinois wisely suspended enforcement of that law pending the outcome of the suit

      Waht say Nick? Let's stick to the FACTS..
    • Dittohead distorts the issue by suggesting Hoosiers are welcoming of immigrants.

      Of course Hoosiers welcome ALL immigrants, as long as they are in America LEGALLY.

      We are a nation of laws.

      A point that is lost on those that advocate on behald of ILLEGAL aliens.
    • First line should have read:
      Dittohead distorts the issue by suggesting Hoosiers are NOT welcoming of “immigrants”.
    • Commonsense stuns us with his profundity when he tells us; No one can verify legal status by looking at someone. Wow!

      Seriously, the E-Verify system is not 100% accurate. An error rate of 9.3% has been detected when reporting on naturalized citizens.

      As employers and prospective employees correct the database the information will become even more reliable. Nothing is perfect.

      Those who oppose E-Verify or this bill probably have a dog in the fight.

      What's the alternative? Do nothing and let the problem fester some more?

      Surrender is not an option; unless you're French.

      I would think that if any CITIZEN found out there was an issue with what is being reported against his/her SSN that they would (1) want to know immediately and (2) have the opportunity to correct it.

      If commonsense understood the intrusive background check an applicant has to undergo for federal employment (s)he would realize how silly their last statement was.

      The bottom line is that we need to stop the jobs magnet that draw ILLEGAL aliens to America.

      Of course if you're looking for people who will work at a near slave-labor pay scale then oppose E- Verify and this bill.

      Need more workers? Then do it the LEGAL way and sponsor them. The process is simple, fast and inexpensive.

      Now that's what I call REAL common sense.
    • Keep up the good fight Old Vet. I'm with you.
    • The bottom line is that we need to stop the jobs magnet that draw ILLEGAL aliens to America.

      That would be our entire economy and way of life (faster, better, cheaper). Or perhaps you'd rather pay $6 for a $4 McMeal on your next trip through the drive-through? Or an extra $1 per pound for beef and pork processed at meatpacking plants largely staffed by immigrants?

      I think it would be foolish to turn off our economic growth. Far better to legalize the illegal immigrants as guest workers or as legal immigrants. Clearly our economy as a whole has absorbed them already and relies on the inexpensive products they help produce.
    • Thundermutt says ...perhaps you’d rather pay $6 for a $4 McMeal on your next trip through the drive-through? Or an extra $1 per pound for beef and pork...?

      Yes. Yes, I would!

      And here's proof on how short-sighted the economy will collapse argument is.

      Let's say you make the 12-40 million ILLEGAL aliens in this country LEGAL.

      How long do you think those workers are going to continue working for slave labor pay scales when the hammer of their legal status is no longer hanging over their head?

      How long do you think it will be before Unions start organizing these new legal workers?

      I say we should pay whatever the market says we should pay when the playing field is made level.

      By that I mean that no one should be able to keep their costs down by taking advantage of a workforce that can't complain or negotiate for better pay and working conditions because of their legal status.

      Costs will rise if ILLEGALS are made LEGAL or whether companies just start paying Americans a realistic wage for the jobs currently held by ILLEGALS.

      Sorry Thundermutt, your economy will collapse argument is bogus.
    • Wages for unskilled labor don't rise if there is a steady supply of people willing to work near the minimum.

      Market forces are what draw immigrants to our labor market, not laws and not economic policies. (Human governments for centuries have tried to interfere with economic forces, largely to no avail.) We can't stop 'em unless we build a walled-in police state. The last one of those only lasted about 40 years, and by that time no one wanted into it.

      Your argument (probably unintentionally) proves the point: people continue to come illegally. Not because they enjoy breaking the law, but because they can do better for themselves here. The magnet is the economy, not the companies who have jobs to offer.

      Legalize 'em and put 'em to work.
    • Thundermutt spews more disinformation.

      So you're objective is to drive down the wages of unskilled AMERICANS by legalizing ILLEGAL aliens or as you euphemistically called it; steady supply of people willing to work near the minimum?

      The unskilled who want more than minimum are prime fodder for Unions.

      Those pro-illegal businesses are trading one problem for a whole new set of problems if the Unions organize these ILLEGAL aliens.

      Why do you think the Service Employees International Union, Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees Union, UFCW, AFL-CIO, UFW, Teamsters and others are pushing for amnesty?

      Check out the Teamsters web site. They refuse to support any immigration reform that doesn't include a path to citizenship for the ILLEGALS already in the U.S. Why? $$$ in new memberships.

      Check out the National Council of La Raza web site and see who the union contributors are. It's always about the money.

      Amnesty will NOT ensure a cheap labor force.

      Amnesty will feed the coffers of the Unions who are chomping at the bit to add 12-40 million new members to their rolls.

      So I ask you businessmen and women who think amnesty is the answer these questions;

      1, Are YOU ready to see your business, your industry unionized?

      2. Are you ready to share the management of your company, it's future and its growth with a union?

      You better think twice about pushing for Amnesty.

      We're supposed to have been checking the work status of EVERY worker (Federal Form I-9) for the better part of 15 years! This is nothing new. What is new and very problemmatic is that we're not doing a very good job of enforcement (starting at the HR level where new staffer documentation is supposed to be checked and recorded) and the fact that there hasn't been a very good system for verification of the authenticity of the documents presented.

      You say that's your birth certificate and HR is supposed to say: OK!

      When I was a senior HR staffer at a large printing company west of here 15 years ago or so, we had documents of all kinds come in for use with those then brand spanking new I-9 forms. We collected the info, particularly on aliens, as best we could (spottier than most) and waited, hoping that the person working at the presses was who they said they were and that their documents weren't as fake as my kisser on a Sawbuck.

      Sometimes they weren't who they professed to be and the documents belonged to someone else (who worked at another company) or were made up entirely. I got to meet the sheriff as he came in to collect one man who thought to get out of his arrest by admitting that he was in fact someone else.

      That didn't go well.

      I was Panera, a routine haunt, and was informed that one of my favorite workers (a Central American) was no longer working there: forged documents.

      I get the desire for something better, but damn! Either ask for support to fix your own country or we can withdraw our troops...and annex yours.

      END RANT
    • We should distinguish ourselves for creating an environment that attracts highly skilled international professionals to our businesses, global scholars to our universities, and welcomes the world's tourists instead allowing the isolationists and protectionists that want to dictate public policy and take away our Hoosier hospitality.
    • After a period of relative quiet, Ku Klux Klan activity has spiked noticeably upwards in 2006, as Klan groups have attempted to exploit fears in America over gay marriage, perceived “assaults” on Christianity, crime and especially immigration according to the Anti-Defamation League.

      The Anti-Defamation League reports several key tactics used by anti-immigrant groups also used by hate groups, including:

      Describing immigrants as third world invaders, who come to America to destroy our heritage, colonize the country and attack our way of life. This charge is used against Hispanics, Asians and other people of color.

      Using terminology that describes immigrants as part of hordes that swarm over the border. This dehumanizing language has become common.

      Portraying immigrants as carriers of diseases like leprosy, tuberculosis, Chagas disease (a potentially fatal parasitic disease), dengue fever, polio, malaria.

      Depicting immigrants as criminals, murderers, rapists, terrorists, and a danger to children and families.

      Propagating conspiracy theories about an alleged secret reconquista plot by Mexican immigrants to create a greater Mexico by seizing seven states in the American Southwest that once belonged to Mexico.

      Map of Active Indiana Hate Groups

      Source: Southern Poverty Law Center
    • Greg make another move to play the race card by painting Americans who want our borders secured and our laws enforced as racists.

      At yesterday's Indiana Senate hearing on SB335 I said the following:


      I am a 60 year old native Hoosier and a small business owner. I am a veteran of both the Air Force and the U.S. Army, and I am a retired officer of the U.S. Customs Service, and as such, I believe I have a unique perspective on the impact of illegal immigration.

      I have spent a lifetime defending others who couldn't defend themselves. I have served as an Equal Employment Opportunity officer fighting discrimination in the workplace.

      I have raised two bi-racial sons; one is of Chinese descent and the other is a member of the Cherokee Nation. Yet, I have been called a racist, a NAZI, a Klansman, and other names to vile to put into the record. Why? Because I had the audacity to demand that our borders are secured and our laws enforced.

      The reason race is raised as an issue by those who advocate on behalf of illegal aliens can best be explained in a statement made by University of Texas professor and political activist, Alfredo Gutierrez, who said; We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works.

      Because of the legacy of slavery and racism in America, we are sensitive to cries of 'racism'. Real Americans are offended by racism and reject it and those that advocate it. They are equally offended when someone plays the 'race card' to 'get attention' or to leverage an otherwise unpopular position.

      The United States is the most successful multi-ethnic nation in history. It has united immigrants and their descendants from all over the world around a commitment to democratic ideals and constitutional principles. Those ideals and principles have been embraced by persons from an extraordinary variety of religious and ethnic backgrounds, partly because they permit and protect religious and cultural diversity within a framework of national political unity.

      The illegal aliens who invade our country, by their own illegal act, attack our fundamental ideals and principles, and endanger the future of America. They don't hesitate to play the 'race card' to validate their own illegal actions. They attack the very principle that has made America great - they attack the Rule of Law!

      The issue is not about race; it's about the Rule of Law and whether we are going to continue as a Nation of Laws.

      Senate Bill 335 strikes directly at the heart of the illegal immigration problem, the jobs magnet. But for the jobs magnet there wouldn't be an illegal immigration problem in the first place.

      Sorry Greg the race card just doesn't play any more.

      As far as the SPLC, in my opinion they are the biggest PAID purveyor of hate speech in the country. Check out:

      and get back to me on how objective Morris Dees and his pack of paid race/hate baiters are.

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    1. How much you wanna bet, that 70% of the jobs created there (after construction) are minimum wage? And Harvey is correct, the vast majority of residents in this project will drive to their jobs, and to think otherwise, is like Harvey says, a pipe dream. Someone working at a restaurant or retail store will not be able to afford living there. What ever happened to people who wanted to build buildings, paying for it themselves? Not a fan of these tax deals.

    2. Uh, no GeorgeP. The project is supposed to bring on 1,000 jobs and those people along with the people that will be living in the new residential will be driving to their jobs. The walkable stuff is a pipe dream. Besides, walkable is defined as having all daily necessities within 1/2 mile. That's not the case here. Never will be.

    3. Brad is on to something there. The merger of the Formula E and IndyCar Series would give IndyCar access to International markets and Formula E access the Indianapolis 500, not to mention some other events in the USA. Maybe after 2016 but before the new Dallara is rolled out for 2018. This give IndyCar two more seasons to run the DW12 and Formula E to get charged up, pun intended. Then shock the racing world, pun intended, but making the 101st Indianapolis 500 a stellar, groundbreaking event: The first all-electric Indy 500, and use that platform to promote the future of the sport.

    4. No, HarveyF, the exact opposite. Greater density and closeness to retail and everyday necessities reduces traffic. When one has to drive miles for necessities, all those cars are on the roads for many miles. When reasonable density is built, low rise in this case, in the middle of a thriving retail area, one has to drive far less, actually reducing the number of cars on the road.

    5. The Indy Star announced today the appointment of a new Beverage Reporter! So instead of insightful reports on Indy pro sports and Indiana college teams, you now get to read stories about the 432nd new brewery open or some obscure Hoosier winery winning a county fair blue ribbon. Yep, that's the coverage we Star readers crave. Not.