CVS to replace downtown IHOP

April 18, 2008
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IHOP at 16th and MeridianCVS has filed plans to build a new store where an IHOP now stands at the corner of 16th and Meridian streets. The new pharmacy would replace the iconic pancake house and a probation office that was an Osco pharmacy several years ago. The site is across the street from a Walgreens that opened last year. Plans show the building would sit up against the intersection, with parking behind it and along Meridian. The parking area appears to also include a lot previously used by the Payton Wells car dealership. CVS already has a store nearby, at Illinois and 18th streets, that it likely would close.
  • Any news on why all of the IHOPS are closing? The one on 82nd street closed also after some new remodeling.
  • Fortunately, this FRONTS 16th Street! Something the new Walgreens should have done. Good job CVS!
  • I agree Erich. Kudos to CVS. You will have my business from now on!
  • No, No, NO! Not my IHOP! Curse you, CVS! And isn't this really just so Clarian can gobble up some more land near Methodist?? As if 16th and Meridian weren't a big enough mess already . . .
  • Great news that they're building to the corner. Here's hoping they actually embrace and activate the corner by putting an entrance there.
  • CorrND, I think they will as that is norm for their stores. If the made an exception downtown, I think that would be slightly assinine
  • So.. are they moving the one on 18th & Illinois or is that going to be closed?

    Seems a little close together.
  • That's a bit....I don't know, redundant. I live near both the Walgreens and the old CVS, and I just can't understand what the point is of putting them right across the street from each other. It would have been nice if those two properties (IHOP and DOC) had been thrown in with the Wells lots, WXIN, and WFYI buildings for a truly interesting development.
  • Is there really a need for a CVS across the street from a Walgreen's?
  • This is Horrible. It takes away the neighborhood feel by geetting rid of this restauraunt. Yeah the IHOP has it's issues but with the new apartments that Piazza is redooing, the interest in this are as far as living and the possibilie development of the GRain Deals building. We do not need another CVS there. Walgreens should do. If they do build it up to the corner, then the commission should make them build an actual two story functional building with upper level apartments. Get some height in this area so that it will enoucarge height in the new development that will likely occurr at the Wells lots.

    I agree with one person though, too bad all of these lots could not be combined and one great street line development onm both sides could develop. Where is the vision of our local entreprenuers and developers!
  • I find this a bit annoying actually. That area is in need of some redevelopment and the Piazza will hopefully give that a jump start. I know Walgreens and CVS tend to place their stores in direct competition all over, but it does nothing for the residents of the area. A restaurant or market would be better suited.
  • You would think this was the Napa Valley development forum with all the whine here...
  • Clever, Renae....

    Anyway, the IHOP is death trap, and I agree that it needs to be knocked down for something else. It just doesn't need to be another drug store.
  • It is the norm for CVS to place an entrance on a street corner, opposite their parking lot? That would be refreshing.
  • idyllic,

    It is normal for the entrance to be located at the corner of the building. Of course, I'm speaking from experience with their suburban stores where the street corner is a parking lot. With the parking lot in the back, who knows what they may do.
  • Bah, I like stopping at my little CVS on the way to/from work. If they move it I'll have to rethink where I shop. I've stopped at the Walgreens a couple of times and the bus stops on 16th & Meridian attract some pretty interesting characters. Bad decision by CVS.

    Oh and to Adam, I doubt it has anything to do with Clarian. They have too many plans in the works for suburban expansion and other downtown projects.
  • I would suspect that it would look like the opposite of Walgreen's, with the back of the building up to 16th Street, and the entrance facing a parking lot to the south, but up close to Meridian Street. I would think that the Regional Center/North Meridian Corridor Ordinance would allow the City to demand a better design, but judging from the Walgreen's parking lot and cheap, ugly plastic sign out at the corner, I won't be holding my breath.
  • It is only fitting. Walgreens, Chase, McDonalds, and now CVS. At least we will only need one cop in one centrally located parking lot instead of one on each corner. What a shame and a waste of money. Reminds of the eighties.
  • There's already a CVS just north of this site on Illinois. How many
    CVS stores does one town need? Get ready to report on the sale
    of that old store.
  • Idyllic -- I think you're right on. Despite my comment above hoping for a corner entrance, I seriously doubt we'll see that. There's no way CVS is going to have people park in back and then walk along Meridian to get to the entrance. The best hope is they may put two entrances on it, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
  • Well, at least we won't have to look at that hole in the IHOP roof any more.
  • Dog-gone-it! So much for my favorite eatery in the neighborhood! Oh Man! Now there's going to be nothing but McDonalds within walking distance of my house! Supersize(d) me!!!!
  • FACT: That IHOP has become a nuisance. A group of my friends were recently attacked by a rowdy group of customers who didn't like the way they looked, and restaraunt management did NOTHING to stop it (it was OBVIOUS that something was brewing). An employee later confided to those friends that stuff like that happens ALL the time. Drug use/sells in the dimly lit parking lot. The building itself is in disrepair and really quite unattractive. Food mediocre, at best. I say HOORAY, HOORAY, HOORAY for tearing it down. This proposal is FAR better than what is currently located there.

    It is not hard to find NUMEROUS CVS, Walgreens, RiteAid, or Osco stores located in other large cities downtowns, I don't see why it's a problem here. There is already a CVS store located just a few blocks north of this proposed location, yes. But that store is rundown and NEEDS to be replaced. I'm glad CVS recognizes this.
  • Seriously, people..... look at what is currently located there! It is an eyesore! No one was stepping up and demanding that anything be done to this corner to improve it. And now that CVS has proposed a new store for this location, everyone is up in arms over how inappropriate a proposal it is? Really? I just don't understand how, if what is located here was really so important, none of these posters with such negative opinions of the CVS ever said anything before. That corner, as it is, is a DUMP, and the CVS store - regardless of where the parking lot and doors are located - will be a MAJOR improvement.
  • Yes the corner need to be redeveloped, but seriously, the only reason why CVS is looking at it is because Walgreens is across the street. Both of these companies play this co-location game. If they can steal 15% of the prescriptions from the other, then they are ahead on profit. Its all about profit, not revitalization or service to the neighborhoods.
  • YOU’VE been lied to before. YOU should all know what it sounds like!! Don’t count on the doors being anywhere near the corner or the street. Or the building at the curb/sidewalk. Developer’s pull this “first site plan” TRICK out every time they want to SELL it to a neighborhood. But before long BAM something happens and the stores at the back of the site with a sea of parking in front. WE ALL KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

    Don’t get me that story about “All the old people have to park at the door”, hogwash. Well if they can walk up and down 21 isles in a Kroger store. They sure as H_ell can walk around the corner. I have never seen a REAL handicapped person park in the handicapped space that couldn’t walk two or three blocks. And seem to have NO problems pushing a 70 or 80 lb. cart of stuff around.

    Yes. It’s time to dump the Ihop for some newer buildings. BUT if you think CVS has anything but THERE BEST INTEREST IN MIND. And building as cheap as possible. You are kidding yourself. THEY ARE BIG TIME LIAR ….

    The 'Regional Center/North Meridian Corridor whoever’s’ will B_end O_ver and LET the developer have what ever they want. They have slacked off on every thing built in this area for years. So they have NO back bone to stand on. Or any integrity to Demand anything. They caved before, they will cave now…

    The TOTAL lack of rentable space is stopping any REAL north Meridian '16th street' development. There are NO store fronts for a restaurant/book shop/Play it again Sam’s or a coffee house to rent. This area should look like Boys Town in Chicago. Or even Mass Ave. The people are there. But it well NEVER happen when CVS, Walgreens or things like RiteAid. Throwing up suburban style type stores in a downtown inner city neighborhood.

    Believe all you want. Santa Clause is not coming to 16th and Meridian in the form of a neighborhood friendly CVS.
  • The last time I went into that ghetto IHOP was about 10 years ago. A big arguement broke out between a patron and a waitress. Something about her eggs not being cooked right. The waitress told the lady when her shift was over and they could settle the matter out in the parking lot. I spoke with someone that had worked at the Ocso when it was at that corner. There was a huge problem with shoplifting. I wonder how the demographics have changed in that neighborhood?
  • Bob hit the nail on the head! This city continues to disgust me.
  • These comments are fantastic. I'm surprised I never see any people saying this stuff on Channel 16.
  • How about two entrances, one at the corner, and one off the parking lot, with an internal corridor that funnels the two entrances into one entrance to the actual store, and a design that actually makes the corner entrance look like the main entrance, even if it doesn't function that way for many years to come? That's not too much to expect, is it?

    Oh, and maybe some windows along Meridian and 16th, and the loading dock oriented to the alley. And maybe, just maybe, unlike Walgreen's, they could be asked to install the landscaping between the sidewalk and the curb instead of between the sidewalk and the building, thus, eliminating a barrier between pedestrians and the store, and creating a safety barrier between pedestrians and quickly moving vehicles.

    That wouldn't be so bad, would it?
  • Wouldn't that be nice, idyllic indy?
  • Some of you who visited the IHOP 10 years ago. Yes it isn;t as nice as your chain restaraunt and clean, but they have cleaned up the fights and the other business noet dealing with food. They have House rules that help them get people in and out quick. The food is delivered pronto and as tasty as ever. You all obviously have not grown up in small towns where all you have to eat are hole in the wall places that can't have all the brand new fixtures. I really wish they would keep the IHOP and redevelop it, more people would come and they could re-arrange the seating to have more tables for people to visit.

    I helped successfully stop a CVS development in my hometown. Again Walgreens was across the street and they wanted to buy an old city block that still had business, historical storefronts, and an old 1916 theatre, that was in it's first stages of renovations. We argued they didn't need the block and they couldn't tear down the theatre, they re-located!

    Lets stop them! lol
  • It's too bad about the IHOP closing. Meridian street needs more sit down dine-in type restaurants that aren't geared to fast food chains. Somebody should have bought the IHOP and redeveloped it. CVS has two stores downtown that could do more business if they kept them open late enough. Tourist seem confused on Sundays when they have to drive clear out of downtown just to get toothpaste.
  • Crystal, Marsh at Lockerbie is open until 2 am daily now. Pretty sure they sell toothpaste.
  • Yes but it makes better sense to keep one of the drugstores open later hours. CVS does not need to build a new drugstore across from Walgreens when they can't run the other two properly.
  • Adam and Mike: IHOP likely will reopen along Meridian south of its present location.
  • Mark, the visit I mentioned where my friends were attacked occured less than 6 months ago. And you are corect, I did viosit the restaurant 10 years ago..... I also visited a few months ago, and many times in between. I can state with conviction that the place was becoming more and more of a dump with each passing year. There is quite a difference between the charming holes in the walls you refer to and what this place was...... trust me. The late night clientele was ESPECIALLY scary sometimes. The service was inattentive at best. And the food was inconsistent. I am not coming down on IHOP in general, I happen to like it. But this PARTICULAR location was a hot, tranny mess (no offense to transexuals, just a reference to the Saturday Night Live parody of the Project Runway show).

    For those people REALLY upset by the closing of IHOP, an artical in the Star this morning says that it will be reopening about a block to the south.
  • Practical Thinking that's fierce
  • Crystal -- I gotta believe that if there were real money to be made from staying open later, CVS would stay open. A couple dozen conventioneers that forgot their toothpaste/comb/deodorant isn't likely to make it worthwhile.

    Until the downtown core gets more full-time residents, it probably doesn't make good business sense for that kind of store to remain open any later than it does.
  • I used to live at 16th and Delaware while attending Herron less than 5 years ago. I've eaten at that IHOP over 100 times, easily. I went often enough to be known by name by the waitresses.

    I'm sorry someone's friends got hurt there, but I have had many, many positive experiences there.

    That IHOP is a greaser, much like The Peppy Grill in Fountain Square. You go there to get breakfast food late at night, or a hamburger. You joke around with the waitress and have a leisurely meal while they take way too many smoke breaks. You don't go in with an attitude and expect to be treated like god's gift to Indianapolis.
  • Ablerock, I'm with you on The Peppy (LOVE IT), but you won't change MY mind about THAT IHOP! ;)
  • WHY does there have to be a CVS or Walgreens in every block????
  • This is the dumbest thing i've seen in a while, a much better thing for cvs to do would be to relocate the dt location closer to the core (ie circle center, hotels, convention center, area) and have it stay open until at least 11pm or Midnight, as I use to work at a hotel downtown and there was no where to send people if they wanted things that we didn't have in the giftshop, and 16th & illinois is too far for a tourist to walk to get what they need and convience items can get mighty expensive if they require a taxi ride.

    Just a thought then, they would be able to capitalize on the tourist and especially business person dollars, there always forgetting things, and this would be a way to differentiate themselves from Walgreens as there is not a walgreens in the real downtown.
  • um, CVS already has 2 locations downtown.
  • WHY does there have to be a CVS or Walgreens in every block????

    Because we're an aging, obese population and drugstores sell drugs! No one ever seems to care when there are two gas stations located across from each other. Why should it surprise us that the same marketing strategy works for drugstores? adn for the record, IHOP is the pits!
  • Frankly, I have fond childhood memories of IHOP. 1970's cross country family vacations in the Chrysler Town and Country, every Holiday Inn had a signature restaurant with white tableclothes, crackers and butter, and pre-McDonalds breakfasts meant a trip to the nearest IHOP and stuffing my face with a big strawberry waffle. The nicest waitresses everywhere we stopped. Although I've never been inside this particular location, I've been in downtown Indy for nearly 20 years and believe it or not, I will miss the familiar roofline. despite its current neglected condition, to me this intersection of 16th and Meridian has a real local feel as it is the crossroads to the track. Before the month of May became the week of Memorial Day, this intersection had the same feel and character of being near 16th and Georgetown. From any direction,as you approached this intersection you felt the excitement. The IHOP was a real part of that flavor as was the hotel located where Wallgreens now stands. They were as integral a part of that scene as the motorcycles, RV's, and the true racefan. To me it's as if we are dismissing yet another relic. Not too unlike the way we dismiss some very important defining elements in our lives.

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