A $600-million plan to revamp interstates 465 and 69 on the northeast side could have a major impact
on buildings near the highways. Several properties, including a couple of office buildings, some self-storage units and a
few residential units, are slated for "relocation" in preliminary Department of Transportation plans. But the most drastic
example is a new Suburban Extended Stay Hotel (pictured here) now under construction on Bash Street south of 82nd Street,
within shouting distance of I-69 South. The hotel is listed as a "potential relocation" in the plans, and it hasn't even opened.
Poor planning? Read Chris O'Malley's story.
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Welcome to Property Lines, Indy's source for neighborhood real estate news. Your host is Scott Olson, IBJ's real estate beat
reporter. Edited by Cory Schouten.
A $600-million plan to revamp interstates 465 and 69 on the northeast side could have a major impact
on buildings near the highways. Several properties, including a couple of office buildings, some self-storage units and a
few residential units, are slated for "relocation" in preliminary Department of Transportation plans. But the most drastic
example is a new Suburban Extended Stay Hotel (pictured here) now under construction on Bash Street south of 82nd Street,
within shouting distance of I-69 South. The hotel is listed as a "potential relocation" in the plans, and it hasn't even opened.
Poor planning? Read Chris O'Malley's story.
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These quaint,obsessed musings by the stalkers are certainly entertaining, but I'm trying to figure out what, if anything, all the yelping below has to do with Zak Brown.
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It's evident that Moffett was pushing the right buttons and corporate America is now trying to squash him. He just wanted to withdraw the free pilot services provided to the company by the pilots to try and put some pressure on a company that has not been interested in negotiating a contract in over 5 years. The company does not provide a contract because not having one has saved them a bundle of money. Shame on any Republic pilots not standing behind their union leader just because things are getting tough, can you not see such strategic moves by the company as putting the last union president in a corporate position and into THEIR pocket. Do you really believe the last union president is so appalled at the attempts by Moffett, do you not remember his oppositions to the company? We stood behind him. It has been proven over and over again for thousands of years without fail, a man cannot serve two masters. Anyone that believes people vote contrary to their paycheck and livelihood deserve to be taken advantage of, the recent statements by the former union president are laughable as he denounces the current union president from his new corporate position. Have you ever seen a drafted sports player score points for his previous team, it cannot be done, he is not on the pilots side anymore, he gets his money a different way now than you and I do, and he should not be allowed to remain on the seniority list. A drafted player brings strength, credibility, tactical knowledge, and a strategic advantage to his NEW team, he would not be drafted or paid were it otherwise. We are all forced to choose only one side to play for and support, not doing so has many references in life such as insider trading and shaving points, all illegal for good reason. This basic fact is why corporate moguls, scientist, and engineers all sign non-discloser agreements and non-compete clauses, as protection in case they are lured into switching sides as our former union president has done. No NFL coach ever drafted a player so that both teams could benefit and better understand each other, they are recruited to win the game against that former team, period. Likewise the company does not recruit the former union president by accident or mutual understanding, its strategy. Don't confuse playing the game with good sportsman-like conduct in support of common business and prosperity goals, with the requirement to only play for one side. Good men we all love and favor fall subject to this manipulation, often without their knowledge, and it is not a betrayal of their friendship to oppose them when they switch sides. If we did not love and trust them, they would not have been chosen and lured to the other side in the first place. The deception by the drafted player is not made at a conscious level, it's just human nature and it's all about money and power which corrupts our ability to be objective and loyal to two masters. This is why our court system created the defense attorney, and why our military created counter intelligence. Its strategy and its propaganda, and it works, and that's why the "powers to be" manipulate the chess pieces by sometimes changing their colors. Some players know they are being manipulated when their color is changed, but it brings them more money and power so they do not care. The rest have good intentions but do not even realize they are being manipulated. This tactic is also known by another name, Divide and Conquer. In battle sending an imperfect message with an imperfect team is obviously not ideal, but it's still being sent by YOUR team, your union leader, a leader that has common goals and common rewards with you, they are the best, because we have elected them to do a job for us. If you are not backing Moffett but believing the spin by those that have recently switched sides, you are taking food out of your own mouth. Showing unity and backing an imperfect situation still results in taking just as much ground, it's about unity and bargaining power. It's not necessary to wait around for that perfect attack because it will never come, the company will spin and attempt to destroy anyone that gets in their way. Ultimately it's not about any specific attack anyway, ASAP or whatever it makes no difference, it is and always has been only about power. If this company cared about safety it would not build pairings with 8 hour overnights, come on, are you that naive? Besides, do you really think Hoffa cares, no, he got a call from corporate America and was squeezed into denouncing Moffett. If he didn't they would spin the safety card against him and the Teamsters National with implication for truckers, future contracts, insurance rates etc...saying something like the Teamsters use safety as a bargaining chip, blah blah blah... Do you really think any pilot is going to do something unsafe for the contract, absolutely not, the only ones threatening safety here is the company with reduced rest, fatigue, and poverty. Do you not find it odd that Hoffa and the Teamsters are opposing a Teamster president publicly? Would the Teamsters National not normally support and work with one of their own? Why did they not sit down and help him strategize, correct any mistakes, and charge ahead? Would the Teamsters National not normally support and leverage a contract for all those pilots that have been paying Teamster dues, isn't that why we have all been paying Teamster dues in the first place? I sure haven't been paying dues so that the Teamsters National could come along and write this kind of an article undercutting our union leader and our unity. Whose side is the Teamsters National really on, it's obviously not the Republic pilots side.
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No matter what Moffatt does the company is going to spin it like he is the terrorist and brainwash people like you into believing it, wake up, back your players that are trying to change things for you and your livelihood. Where has Hoffa been for the last 6 years, except collecting our dues. Seriously, do you really think an FO going for upgrade, signed off by a checkairman ready for the upgrade, who then fails, is not even capable of returning as a First Officer.
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This I-465 project has a number of problem, but the key two that need to be fixed are
o $600 million for one new lane? Doesn't pass the smell test. Because of INDOT's previous short-sightedness, four lanes is the maximum cross section south of I-69, but between I-69 and US 31, I-465 should be five continuous through lanes in each direction.
o The Keystone Ave. interchange should be a three-level interchange to allow free-flowing traffic on both I-465 and Keystone. Stoplights on Keystone would be wrong given that it is a freeway from the south and will soon be basically a freeway from the north as well.
For those of you who don't know, INDOT conducted a four year study with Corradino in the mid-90's that was not structured as an EIS, so it didn't count and had to be redone. Next they did an EIS, but then it sat on a shelf. Now we seem to be no closer to starting construction than we were at the beginning.
While it is justifiable to do I-69 later since clearly I-465 and the interchange there needs to be upgraded first, planning for that upgrade should begin now. Not only is a real powerhouse freeway needed between I-465 and SR 37, but an eight lane cross section is probably needed at least to Exit 10. It is justifiable to six lane I-69 all the way to Exit 26 in Anderson based on traffic volumes today.
Anyone have any light to shed on this statement?
That makes me think that we're way closer to a critical mass demanding cheap, clean alt transit. Let's be real. The powers that be won't do anything about alt transit until there's absolutely high demand and critical need to do so. We, on this blog, can see what's coming. Unfortunately, politicians won't act until the citizenry shows up at the front gates with pitch forks and torches!!!
Commuter cars off the road = more room for trucks, less congestion, faster material movement, and better development opportunities.
Duke, Ameriplex, Langham, Celadon...are you listening?
We have too many people at INDOT who have just worked their way up the ladder that are not qualified, smart, or forward thinking.
We depend on oil from parts of the world that are increasingly hostile to our interests and are increasing their own consumption (thus cutting back on the amount they can export), so how will we continue on? Ethanol? Please.
that sentiment echoed in many of the other blog messages here. Widening that
stretch of road makes no long-term sense. Not only is the initial cost of
construction astronomical, the cost of maintenance would be very high as well.
Park your cars. It's time for that occasionally-talked-about mass transportation
system from Hamilton and outlying counties into Marion county to really happen.
It's the only win, win, win scenario I can think of.
This issue with the hotel fits nicely with the status quo of INDOT band-aids... Well, let's see here, we got a traffic problem, so let's add a lane 'for now'. INDOT totally fails to see 20 years down the road, which completely baffles me! How can ANYONE who works in a planning job fail at planning so completely?
It's obvious we need mass transit. The dollar amounts for it... Who's coming up with those numbers? Obviously people who don't want it, cause it seems like every time mass transit is mentioned someone always says it's cost prohibitive. Given the amount of money we all spend involved in owning and maintaining a vehicle, that money could have gone to mass transit. Imagine all the money everyone in the area has spent on car payments, gas, insurance and upkeep on 1 or 2 vehicles, compund that for a year, multiply it by the driving population, and WOW, that could have paid for the system right there (and even have some left over)!
How about a story and blog post on mass transit options? Indy MPO keeps saying they'll release a plan. CIRTA, the regional transit authority, just hired an executive director...how about an interview with him? Maybe you could solicit questions from your blog readers?
...and yes HMPPeaceHouse understnads it well, INDOT can only plan on the past as opposed to the future!...they don't know what 'vision' means over there!!
Urbanophile also gets it!...INDOT or the City(s) refuse to turn down zoning request based on future highway projects, unless they are already funded....not a progressive or 'green' philosophy!!
Bottom line, the cycle will not end, redesign keeps the engineers and other consultants in business, which keeps the contractors in business, which both keep the politicians elected, and then the bureaucrats keep their jobs...and it all keeps mediocrity at it's best!
This is the fleecing of America and Central Indiana at its finest! By the time this does get around to being constructed, construction costs should be double what they are now, therefore making this new lane a $1 billion project!
We could build a very nice light rail/mass transit system that would serve not only the northeast corridor, but also the airport and the southside!!! When will the leaders of this State wake up? WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO BUILD OUR WAY OUT OF TRAFFIC JAMS! A rail system MUST BE BUILT or we are going to continue to throw money down the perverbial drain.
Before anyone jumps in a says Mass transit systems rarely turn a profit; when was the last time I-465 or I-69 made money for our State? Oh that's right, roads only cost the taxpayers money.
I know that all of us here agree with the need for mass transit. However, what is it going to take for Joe Citizen to realize that everytime we repave a road, that costs money?
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