Immigration bill to become law?

January 30, 2008
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The Indiana Senate made its sentiment clear yesterday by approving the immigration bill by the gaping margin of 37-11 and firing it on to the House.

This is the bill that would make businesses liable for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.

With this kind of momentum, is it destined to become law?
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  • Certainly hope so. Criminals shouldn't be coddled. Too many people take the activist tag in line with entitlements and how disadvantaged they have been. From those of us who support this initiative, just remember that people are always welcome to become productive citizens as long as they become so legally. And for those of you whom don't agree, take a walk someday through Wishard Hospital and see who is getting free service. Just remember, this is hitting you in the pocket through higher property taxes, big time!!!
  • Didn't you mention something like this on Jan. 3rd? Immagration, Could be a good thing, but People refusing to abide by the local, state, or government laws (such as ignoring labor laws and citizenship) are taking jobs away from those who either have lived here long enough, or those who are on a visa (of some sort).

    I, for one, have seen a few of my friends becoming legal citizens of the US because they came here for college (under a student visa) and want to stay here. I celebrate their success and decision to be productive members of our society. Not just because they are now American but because they want to follow a simple law of citizenship and ownership and Mostly Pride in one's home and education.

    I hope that, if these people are so disavantaged, that they start to take pride in them selves and their home ( where they reside in).

    On the Employer side, what does that tell the world? Are these employers saying We don't care about our country.? Are these employers so desperate for workers at any cost that they will hire cheap labor or illegal labor to avoid some costs? I feel that if this is going to happen, and the immigrants have no plan to become citizens of US, the employer should be taxed an illegal imigrant Tax to make it not worth hiring undesireable empoyees. To avoid the tax, they should obtain a citizenship or have a citizenship program within X amount of time of hire date.
  • Momentum? Destined to become law?

    Unfortunately the Speaker of the House, Pat Bauer, is rumored already to favor not allowing this bill a full and impartial hearing.

    I hope that's not the case.

    Hoosiers have spoken and the message is clear that we want this bill passed and passed this year.

    During the Senate hearings on this bill I heard a Senator say this: A mad constituency is a bad thing. A mad, organized constituency is a dangerous thing.

    Well we're mad and we're organized. I would heed that Senator's warning if I were a member of the House.
  • Glad to hear Speaker Bauer has some common sense and may kill this Senate bill in the Indiana House. This is a Federal issue. Let the immigration debate happen in Washington DC where it belongs.

    Politicians should not be afraid of immigrant haters, but they should be afraid of the angry mob of property taxpayers.
  • Adam,

    This is not about anyone hating immigrants and for you to say so reflects your lack of an in depth understanding of the underlying causes and issues surrounding ILLEGAL immigration.

    ILLEGAL immigration is EVERY ONE's issue.

    Yes, we would prefer the feds to deal with it, but in their absence or refusal to do so, what are we to do? Nothing? Throw open our borders with a hearty Hoosier you all come welcome? Surrender our sovereignty?

    Like I said, we're mad and we're organized and yes, that's a dangerous thing!

    I don't think so and neither does 79% of Americans who want an enforcement first solution to this problem.
  • Old Vet,

    Glad to see people are discovering your organization, Indiana Federation for Immigration Reform & Enforcement (IFIRE), which is behind this legislation, is the local affiliate of Federation of American Immigration Reform (FAIR) which both the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center have identified as a hate group.

    New SPLC Report: Nation's Most Prominent Anti-Immigration Group has History of Hate, Extremism

    http://www.splcenter.org/news/item.jsp?aid=295

    New ADL Report: Anti-Immigrant Groups Borrow From Playbook Of Hate Groups To Demonize Hispanics

    http://www.adl.org/PresRele/CvlRt_32/5154_32.htm


    Can't wait to link your group to your Politicians this coming election.
  • I never thought I would see the day when grown people, especially ones in power in our society, continually argue that for the sake of profit it is ok to:

    --use false names
    --use false social security numbers
    --use false driver's licenses
    --use false birth certificates
    --use the above documents to sign legal contracts for financial gain

    If an American citizen does these things, we are hunted down, prosecuted, and shunned by society; but it is ok for foreigners to sneak into our country and repeatedly do this; all for the sake of profit.

    What in the world is this teaching our children?

    A robber usually steals to better his life; drug dealers sell drugs to have money to better their lives; illegal aliens commits all of the above crimes for a better life. What is the difference?

    Why are our politicians defending these people? It would not be tolerated of Americans in any other country.

    Why is this even an issue!!!!!

    This time in U.S. history is going to be documented as the 'immoral era'.
  • I for one support this bill as i lost my job in the const trades due to the fact the company started hiring cheaper labor
  • Chester Dobis D13th Dist of Indiana's 2007 legislative survey had 87% of respondents wanting buisnesses punished for hiring illegal aliens.
    The Federal Government gave states the right to enter into an agreement with the former INS to assist in enforcing immigration laws on the state level. So here we are on the verge of enforcing what the wishes of the people of Indiana want and all were still hearing is name calling. We aren't haters we're just tired of being lied to over and over again. The people of Indiana should NOT have to compete with illegal aliens for a job. p7c1wn
  • It has been stated many times that this bill is about establishing respect for the rule of law. Our founders gave us a republic (rule by law) rather than a democracy (rule by majority). SB 335 simply holds businesses accountable for the obeying the law and not rewarding those who are illegal aliens because they have disregarded our immigration laws. Those businesses who have profitted from hiring illegal aliens will have ample opportunity to get themselves on the right side of the law. If a business simply chooses not to obey the law then consequences should be expected and forthcoming. It is certainly in the interest of the business community to support the rule of law.
  • I would like to thank the Senate for listening to the majority and not acting like Federal government dismissing the will of its citizens.
    Citizens who steal from a business don’t get rewarded if caught. Yet our federal government wants to reward not only the illegal immigrants and greedy business for knowingly breaking laws putting many legal citizens out of work.

    While some people claim polls say Americans are in favor of comprehensive immigration,(amnesty) every state that has voted on enforcing laws against hiring illegals, ending aid, or state or federal benefits has passed easily. Also encouraged more border enforcement. This is the only accurate poll and states like Arizona and California have made it clear, only to be challenged in court by the same people who benefit from this lawlessness.

    Governor when this bill gets to your desk, sign it it’s the right thing to do for America!
  • With Indiana's deplorable economic condition, it is blatantly unthinkable to lavish millions and millions of citizen and legal immigrant tax payer dollars on illegal aliens for free health care, free social services (food stamps medicaid, Wishard free Advantage program), free education (over $6M/year in Wayne Twp; $1/2M in Speedway, etc.), because wealthy business persons will sacrifice our State and Country to their treasonous greed.

    There is another election coming. Just as the pro-illegal Peterson machine found out, citizens have had enough. We wouldn't have the property tax, income tax, etc. burdens if we weren't spending millions and millions on these criminal invaders.
  • Immigrant haters Adam? I don't hate immigrants, I work at a company with a global presence and we have legal immigrants from all over the world. Brazil, Romania, and Hungary to name a few.

    I also served with many immigrants during my ten years on Active Duty in the U.S. Army.

    Yes, I am opposed to those who come here illegally. I really didn't care for the fact that an illegals provided 9/11 hijackers with driver's licenses. If they want to work here, let them do so legally, via visa's or guest worker programs, where they are tested for diseases and have their movement tracked.

    Most importantly, punish those who hire them.
  • My husband is a LEGAL immigrant. Illegal Immigration is a slap in the face to everyone who has come to this country legally.

    As far as Illegal Immigration being a federal problem, I know first hand, it is everyones problem. We moved to Indiana from California because the Illegal Immigrant problem had gotten so bad there, that it was next to impossible for American Citizens to find employment. I have watched hospitals close because of the increase in Illegal immigrants who could not pay. I have watched education grind to a halt, while teachers tried to teach classes that did not have common languages. Sometimes having to struggle through teaching in 3 or 4 different languages. I have watched as diseases, all but eradicated in this country, make a come back. Legal Immigrants, must have a thorough physical by a Dr. If they are found to have, or be carriers of disease, they are not allowed to immigrate. Illegal immigrants skip that step, along with other Government safeguards that are in place to protect the public. Have we forgotten the measles outbreak in 2006? This costs all of us, both financially an emotionally.

    The devastating toll of Illegal Immigration is not just a Federal Problem. It costs business, and the public alike. The Federal Government does not reimburse the states for the monies paid out to support the Illegal Immigrant population, that burden is left for the states to pay.

    We have a choice, we can spend billions of taxpayer dollars in this state to round up and try to deport those here illegally, or we can take away the incentives.

    Unfortunately, there are businesses, who to increase their profits, have decided that they are above federal law and hire illegal workers. As a state, we need to counter act that incentive and let these businesses know that NOBODY is above the law.
  • I believe that at one point in our history we said: “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

    I guess we are more concerned about our money than others lives.
  • Karl,

    Even back in 1886, when the Statue of liberty first held her torch over Ellis Island, we had immigration laws. All immigrants went through a back ground check and a very painful and torturous physical. Those that were sick, or failed the background check, were not allowed to enter. This was roughly 10% of those who landed on the Island. When being rejected on Ellis Island, the immigrants not only had to pay for their own passage back, they were find the very substantial amount of $100.00.
  • I am so sick of businesses whining about how these bills will impact them negatively. As far as I'm concerned, the biggest problem with illegal immigration is the businesses and the government. They are so corrupted by greed and power, that they are callously allowing this invasion from our borders and visa overstayers to destroy the United States and the majority of Americans trying to make a living. It is time to go after the businesses. If they want a cheap slave labor class, then the must be responsible for the illegal alien, their families, their health care, their education, and anything else they need. Put the burden on the businesses, not the taxpayers.
  • First they put away the Muslims and Jews, just to keep our security safe.

    Then they put away the Right to Lifers, only to keep life as sacred.

    Then they took away the reporters who didn't speak there truth, rounded up the university liberals who had different ideas.

    Then they shooed away the Bums, then they beat and bashed the Queers,

    Detained the women who weren't subservient to men, and took away voting privileges for those seen unfit.

    Turned away Asylum-Seekers, fed us full of suspicions and fears.

    Re-instituted segregation just to keep us pure,

    We didn't raise our voice,

    We didn't make a fuss.

    It's funny there was no one left to notice
    when they came for us.
  • Take immigration back from the business community and the politicians who do their bidding. Immigration is for families coming here for a better life, it isn't for the benefit of the business community at the expense of the nation.

    Force these companies that choose to outsource jobs, inside the USA, to take their companies offshore like their bank accounts. It will benefit the country of the worker, the worker, and the employer. One provision, no taxpayer money is ever used to bail them out and no tax breaks ever. Treat them as a foreign company doing business here. After all, they are.

    The biggest benefit will be the American taxpayer. They are the ones who pay the real cost of this cheap labor. We would save billions by not paying for their social services and stopping the siphoning off of all that remittance money.
  • I wonder if cracking down on illegal immigrants would actually help or hinder our economy. Everyone talks about the costs of social services and lost jobs. But what do the statistics show? Indiana has 4.6% unemployment which would probably put it close to the Natural Unempoyment Rate (NAIRU). Typically, if unemployment falls below the NAIRU, then inflation is likely to rise quickly which would especially hurt those already struggling to get by with lower incomes. Indiana is one of the best performing economies in the MidWest thanks to its employers and workers. Lets review the stats on where illegals are working before we attempt to
  • When did our party let the Pat Buchanan, who was rejected by Republicans as a 2000 presidential candidate because of his racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic rhetoric become a force today against immigrants as a powerful wing of the party?

    Now we not only have to deal with Eric Miller who wants to destroy the separation of Church and State, but Senator Delph who wants to promote Pat Buchanan's policies.

    This is not the Reagan Republican Party that I joined.
  • First and foremost this is NOT a Republican issue..

    It is an AMERICAN issue whose responsibility lies with all of US regardless of our party affiliation.

    There are democratic supporters of this bill or did that escape your attention?

    It is not racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic rhetoric to want our borders secured and our laws enforced and for you to say so is disingenuous and dishonest and is simply another attempt to play the race card.

    That card is all played out.
  • I'm sick and tired of bigots crying about securing our border. How many Mexican terrorist do you know of? This anti-immigrant fervor is just an excuse for Hoosier bigots to gloss over the fact that the world doesn't revolve around them anymore -- there are other people in this state now with different cultures. GET USE TO IT. And while we're at it ... why don't you try to learn another language. Hispanics in this state know English better than you know Spanish. In Europe, it's not unusal for some to to speak two or even three languages. But yet, Hoosiers have a hard time with English! Don't critize someone who prefers to speak another language until you master your own. Know what I mean, Vern?
  • Fred is another of the ill-informed who elect to speak on a subject they know absolutely nothing about: border security and national security.

    The is an area known as the Tri-Border Area (TBA). It is a lawless, ungoverned trianglar piece of land where Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil intersect.

    In a July 2003 report authored by Rex Hudson, Prepared by the Federal Research Division, Library of Congress titled; TERRORIST AND ORGANIZED CRIME GROUPS IN THE TRI-BORDER AREA (TBA) OF SOUTH AMERICA (http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/TerrOrgCrime_TBA.pdf) it was noted that Islamic terrorist group activities in Tri-Border Area (TBA) during the 1999 to 2003 period provides substantial evidence for concluding that various Islamic terrorist groups have used the TBA—where Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay meet—as a haven for fund-raising, recruiting, plotting terrorist attacks elsewhere in the TBA countries or the Americas in general, and other such activities.

    Islamic terrorist groups with a presence in the TBA reportedly include Egypt’s Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group) and Al-Jihad (Islamic Jihad), al Qaeda, Hamas, Hizballah, and al-Muqawamah (the Resistance; also spelled al-Moqawama), which is a pro-Iran wing of the Lebanon-based Hizballah.

    Islamic terrorist groups have used the TBA for fund-raising, drug trafficking, money laundering, plotting, and other activities in support of their organizations. The large Arab community in the TBA is highly conducive to the establishment of sleeper cells of Islamic terrorists, including Hizballah and al Qaeda.

    Nevertheless, as many as 11,000 members of the Islamic community in the TBA may have moved since late 2001 to other less closely watched Arab population centers in South America.

    With an unholy alliance between Venezuela and Iran, and the documented terror training camps in South America, terror expert Fred would have us believe that there is no threat to worry about on our Southern Border.

    We want to see ALL of our borders secured; not just our southern border.
  • I believe that in the absence of Federal enforcement, States must take up the task. Illegal emigration is detrimental to our society in many ways, lose of jobs, lose of livable wages, increase in crime, etc.
    These same people who want our standard of living, do not want to be American, they prefer to keep their language(s), customs, culture, a sub culture within the USA. I find it incredible to think that after breaking one law, plus many others with false credentials, etc, what makes you think they will suddenly become upstanding citizens? Why should they? They already get most of our legal protections, and they get a pretty free ride. Why jeopardize a good thing?

    All borders need to be secured, our laws enforced, (they already cover just about everything), and if it takes just the individual states, then so be it. Our government has show how ineffective it is and how it is running like a lame duck show. States rule!
  • Has anyone tried to get the dollar amount given to Wishard Hospital to run its Hispanic Health Project? I have. No results even though the tax funded Marion County Health and Hospital Corporation runs Wishard. Its costs fall under our Sunshine Law. This is the (assume italics) place for illegal Latino aliens to get free health care. Millions of city/county citizen taxpayer dollars are funnelled into Wishard for the purpose of treating illegal aliens, particularly Latinos.

    Only they can afford the less than- to minimum-wage jobs they swarm and get, because their health care and social service costs are paid for by us. Even if the City and Wishard would treat them with stabilizing treatment only, the cost would still be in the millions.

    Anyone who likes having higher taxes and less bang for their buck is the only one who can honestly be anti-citizen on this issue. All of the pro-illegal folks above, I have a feeling, complain about the cost and lowered standard of living as much as we do, which makes them abject hypocrites. What they should do is just go down to Wishard and consign their incomes to Wishard for the benefit of the illegals they respect so much, whereby the rest of us do not have to suffer a diminishment of our quality of life.
  • Diane Osborn says illegal Latino aliens. So Diane, the only illegal aliens live in Roswell, New Mexico. The term illegal alien is a pejorative. People can't be illegal. What people DO is illegal.
  • El Mas Chingon dares to tell us how to speak.

    Illegal alien is a LEGAL term embodied in the U.S. Code.

    Title 8, Chapter 12, SUBCHAPTER II, Part IX, § 1365(b) defines ILLEGAL ALIEN thus:

    An illegal alien referred to in subsection (a) of this section is any alien who is any alien... who is in the United States unlawfully and—

    (1) whose most recent entry into the United States was without inspection, or

    (2) whose most recent admission to the United States was as a nonimmigrant and—

    (A) whose period of authorized stay as a nonimmigrant expired, or

    (B) whose unlawful status was known to the Government,

    I guess this is why people like you who advocate on behalf of ILLEGAL aliens don't understand that this is about the Rule of Law.

    Sorry Bucko, but no cigar on this one.

    We call 'em like we see 'em; ILLEGAL ALIENS!
  • Thank you “One Old Vet” for making my point. The term Illegal Alien is a pergorative created by a mindless bureaucrat ... devoid of any judgment. You can argue the point of someone being in this country without proper documentation (which is a civil violation, not a criminal violation) but don't revert to mindless, bureaucratic jingoism. Try having a more respect for the English language.
  • El Mas Chingon was wrong about a legal term being a pejorative and now wants us to believe entering the U.S. is not a crime.

    18 USC 1459 says that entering the U.S. at other than an authorized port of entry is a felony punishable by a fine of $10,000.00 and a year in jail.

    What El Mas Chingon is TRYING to do is right our of the play book of the pro-illegals, pro-amnesty open borders lobby.

    He wants to control the debate by defining the semantics.

    Dismissing the U.S. Code as jingoistic is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

    Sorry Bucko, but no cigar on this one either.

    We call ‘em like we see ‘em; ILLEGAL ALIENS!
  • Old Vet, your racist babble has become tiresome. I'm glad not all Anglos are bigots like you. Be glad you live in Indianer. Your post would be tolerated in California, Nevada, Texas, New Mexico, Utah, New York, Chicago, Colorado, Florida or the rest of the world for that matter. Know what I mean, Vern?
  • And finally we see El Mas Chingon's end game - the
  • And finally we see El Mas Chingon’s end game - the Race Card.

    Sadly but predictably, it always comes down to that.

    We argue FACTS. The El Mas Chingons have no facts that could possibly justify the continued existence of 12-40 million ILLEGAL aliens in America so they play the Race Card.

    Because we want our borders secured and our laws enforced, we're called racists and bigots.

    As I testified before the Indiana Senate on SB 335; I have spent a lifetime defending others who couldn't defend themselves. I have served as an Equal Employment Opportunity officer fighting discrimination in the workplace.

    I have raised two biracial sons; one is of Chinese descent and the other is a member of the Cherokee Nation. Yet, I have been called a racist, a NAZI, a Klansman, and other names to vile to put into the record. Why? Because I had the audacity to demand that our borders are secured and our laws enforced.

    The reason race is raised as an issue by those who advocate on behalf of illegal aliens can best be explained in a statement made by University of Texas professor and political activist, Alfredo Gutierrez, who said; We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works.

    Because of the legacy of slavery and racism in America, we are sensitive to cries of 'racism'. Real Americans are offended by racism and reject it and those that advocate it. They are equally offended when someone plays the 'race card' to 'get attention' or to leverage an otherwise unpopular position.

    The United States is the most successful multi-ethnic nation in history. It has united immigrants and their descendants from all over the world around a commitment to democratic ideals and constitutional principles. Those ideals and principles have been embraced by persons from an extraordinary variety of religious and ethnic backgrounds, partly because they permit and protect religious and cultural diversity within a framework of national political unity.

    The illegal aliens who invade our country, by their own illegal act, attack our fundamental ideals and principles, and endanger the future of America. They don't hesitate to play the 'race card' to validate their own illegal actions. They attack the very principle that has made America great they attack the Rule of Law!

    The issue is not about race; it's about the Rule of Law and whether we are going to continue as a Nation of Laws.

    Senate Bill 335 strikes directly at the heart of the illegal immigration problem, the jobs magnet. But for the jobs magnet there wouldn't be an illegal immigration problem in the first place.

    So folks, when you run into the El Mas Chingons of this world understand one thing: the Race Card is ALL they have.

    Expect them to play it.
  • The Center for Immigration Studies (does statistical analysis for the U.S. Census Bureau) states that 85%+ of all illegal aliens in this country are Mexican Latinos. (We could easily deal with the two illegal Swedes, but TWENTY MILLION ILLEGAL LATINO ALIENS!)

    The Mexican gov't is devastating its own citizens. Why do the Latinos not have the intelligence and courage to fight for their rights in their own countries?; then, they would not have to come here and usurp ours. They have had as long as we have had to have made their countries as great as ours, but noooooooooooo. Given their cowardice/stupidity, Mexico et al, will remain third-world countries while dragging us down to their level.

    A picture is worth a thousand words. Who hasn't driven down Washington Street (Reconquista Road) and seen what devastation
    the illegal Latino aliens have brought to Indiana and the U.S.?

    As for what is going on in other States, Oklahoma, Arizona and Arkasas have passed stringent laws barring illegals from the freebies they so badly desire and employment they so do not deserve. Kansas and Georgia are going to pass similar laws; and Indiana has weakly, but finally, stood up to serve its citizenry against the invasion. Illegals are leaving en masse the above-mentioned States. Any State which does not pass such laws will be wall to wall (like Washington Street) in illegal aliens.
  • It's people like you that make me ashamed to call myself an American.
  • ERRATA:

    Typo in post # 29 stated applicable US code was 18 U.S.C.

    The correct citation is 19 U.S.C. 1459(g) which states:

    (g) Criminal penalty
    In addition to being liable for a civil penalty under subsection (f) of this section, any individual who intentionally violates any provision of subsection (e) of this section is, upon conviction, liable for a fine of not more than $5,000, or imprisonment for not more than 1 year, or both.

    Please note that the fine for the criminal penalty is not to exceed $5,000 instead of the previously cited $10,000.

    A civil penalty of $5,000 for the first violation, and $10,000 for each subsequent violation is provided for under subsection (f) of 1459.
  • Let's face it, in Mexico, you would be in jail for the Freedom of Speech you are allowed here in the U.S. as in this blog. You should be ashamed of the illegal aliens who would obliterate the rule of law you are using to its full and glorious extent.

    U.S. Constitution Article IV, Section 4
    The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a
    Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion...

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