The Indiana Senate made its sentiment clear yesterday by approving the immigration bill by the gaping margin of 37-11 and
firing it on to the House.
This is the bill that would make businesses liable for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.
With this kind of momentum, is it destined to become law?
This is the bill that would make businesses liable for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.
With this kind of momentum, is it destined to become law?
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I, for one, have seen a few of my friends becoming legal citizens of the US because they came here for college (under a student visa) and want to stay here. I celebrate their success and decision to be productive members of our society. Not just because they are now American but because they want to follow a simple law of citizenship and ownership and Mostly Pride in one's home and education.
I hope that, if these people are so disavantaged, that they start to take pride in them selves and their home ( where they reside in).
On the Employer side, what does that tell the world? Are these employers saying We don't care about our country.? Are these employers so desperate for workers at any cost that they will hire cheap labor or illegal labor to avoid some costs? I feel that if this is going to happen, and the immigrants have no plan to become citizens of US, the employer should be taxed an illegal imigrant Tax to make it not worth hiring undesireable empoyees. To avoid the tax, they should obtain a citizenship or have a citizenship program within X amount of time of hire date.
Unfortunately the Speaker of the House, Pat Bauer, is rumored already to favor not allowing this bill a full and impartial hearing.
I hope that's not the case.
Hoosiers have spoken and the message is clear that we want this bill passed and passed this year.
During the Senate hearings on this bill I heard a Senator say this: A mad constituency is a bad thing. A mad, organized constituency is a dangerous thing.
Well we're mad and we're organized. I would heed that Senator's warning if I were a member of the House.
Politicians should not be afraid of immigrant haters, but they should be afraid of the angry mob of property taxpayers.
This is not about anyone hating immigrants and for you to say so reflects your lack of an in depth understanding of the underlying causes and issues surrounding ILLEGAL immigration.
ILLEGAL immigration is EVERY ONE's issue.
Yes, we would prefer the feds to deal with it, but in their absence or refusal to do so, what are we to do? Nothing? Throw open our borders with a hearty Hoosier you all come welcome? Surrender our sovereignty?
Like I said, we're mad and we're organized and yes, that's a dangerous thing!
I don't think so and neither does 79% of Americans who want an enforcement first solution to this problem.
Glad to see people are discovering your organization, Indiana Federation for Immigration Reform & Enforcement (IFIRE), which is behind this legislation, is the local affiliate of Federation of American Immigration Reform (FAIR) which both the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center have identified as a hate group.
New SPLC Report: Nation's Most Prominent Anti-Immigration Group has History of Hate, Extremism
http://www.splcenter.org/news/item.jsp?aid=295
New ADL Report: Anti-Immigrant Groups Borrow From Playbook Of Hate Groups To Demonize Hispanics
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/CvlRt_32/5154_32.htm
Can't wait to link your group to your Politicians this coming election.
--use false names
--use false social security numbers
--use false driver's licenses
--use false birth certificates
--use the above documents to sign legal contracts for financial gain
If an American citizen does these things, we are hunted down, prosecuted, and shunned by society; but it is ok for foreigners to sneak into our country and repeatedly do this; all for the sake of profit.
What in the world is this teaching our children?
A robber usually steals to better his life; drug dealers sell drugs to have money to better their lives; illegal aliens commits all of the above crimes for a better life. What is the difference?
Why are our politicians defending these people? It would not be tolerated of Americans in any other country.
Why is this even an issue!!!!!
This time in U.S. history is going to be documented as the 'immoral era'.
The Federal Government gave states the right to enter into an agreement with the former INS to assist in enforcing immigration laws on the state level. So here we are on the verge of enforcing what the wishes of the people of Indiana want and all were still hearing is name calling. We aren't haters we're just tired of being lied to over and over again. The people of Indiana should NOT have to compete with illegal aliens for a job. p7c1wn
Citizens who steal from a business don’t get rewarded if caught. Yet our federal government wants to reward not only the illegal immigrants and greedy business for knowingly breaking laws putting many legal citizens out of work.
While some people claim polls say Americans are in favor of comprehensive immigration,(amnesty) every state that has voted on enforcing laws against hiring illegals, ending aid, or state or federal benefits has passed easily. Also encouraged more border enforcement. This is the only accurate poll and states like Arizona and California have made it clear, only to be challenged in court by the same people who benefit from this lawlessness.
Governor when this bill gets to your desk, sign it it’s the right thing to do for America!
There is another election coming. Just as the pro-illegal Peterson machine found out, citizens have had enough. We wouldn't have the property tax, income tax, etc. burdens if we weren't spending millions and millions on these criminal invaders.
I also served with many immigrants during my ten years on Active Duty in the U.S. Army.
Yes, I am opposed to those who come here illegally. I really didn't care for the fact that an illegals provided 9/11 hijackers with driver's licenses. If they want to work here, let them do so legally, via visa's or guest worker programs, where they are tested for diseases and have their movement tracked.
Most importantly, punish those who hire them.
As far as Illegal Immigration being a federal problem, I know first hand, it is everyones problem. We moved to Indiana from California because the Illegal Immigrant problem had gotten so bad there, that it was next to impossible for American Citizens to find employment. I have watched hospitals close because of the increase in Illegal immigrants who could not pay. I have watched education grind to a halt, while teachers tried to teach classes that did not have common languages. Sometimes having to struggle through teaching in 3 or 4 different languages. I have watched as diseases, all but eradicated in this country, make a come back. Legal Immigrants, must have a thorough physical by a Dr. If they are found to have, or be carriers of disease, they are not allowed to immigrate. Illegal immigrants skip that step, along with other Government safeguards that are in place to protect the public. Have we forgotten the measles outbreak in 2006? This costs all of us, both financially an emotionally.
The devastating toll of Illegal Immigration is not just a Federal Problem. It costs business, and the public alike. The Federal Government does not reimburse the states for the monies paid out to support the Illegal Immigrant population, that burden is left for the states to pay.
We have a choice, we can spend billions of taxpayer dollars in this state to round up and try to deport those here illegally, or we can take away the incentives.
Unfortunately, there are businesses, who to increase their profits, have decided that they are above federal law and hire illegal workers. As a state, we need to counter act that incentive and let these businesses know that NOBODY is above the law.
I guess we are more concerned about our money than others lives.
Even back in 1886, when the Statue of liberty first held her torch over Ellis Island, we had immigration laws. All immigrants went through a back ground check and a very painful and torturous physical. Those that were sick, or failed the background check, were not allowed to enter. This was roughly 10% of those who landed on the Island. When being rejected on Ellis Island, the immigrants not only had to pay for their own passage back, they were find the very substantial amount of $100.00.
Then they put away the Right to Lifers, only to keep life as sacred.
Then they took away the reporters who didn't speak there truth, rounded up the university liberals who had different ideas.
Then they shooed away the Bums, then they beat and bashed the Queers,
Detained the women who weren't subservient to men, and took away voting privileges for those seen unfit.
Turned away Asylum-Seekers, fed us full of suspicions and fears.
Re-instituted segregation just to keep us pure,
We didn't raise our voice,
We didn't make a fuss.
It's funny there was no one left to notice
when they came for us.
Force these companies that choose to outsource jobs, inside the USA, to take their companies offshore like their bank accounts. It will benefit the country of the worker, the worker, and the employer. One provision, no taxpayer money is ever used to bail them out and no tax breaks ever. Treat them as a foreign company doing business here. After all, they are.
The biggest benefit will be the American taxpayer. They are the ones who pay the real cost of this cheap labor. We would save billions by not paying for their social services and stopping the siphoning off of all that remittance money.
Now we not only have to deal with Eric Miller who wants to destroy the separation of Church and State, but Senator Delph who wants to promote Pat Buchanan's policies.
This is not the Reagan Republican Party that I joined.
It is an AMERICAN issue whose responsibility lies with all of US regardless of our party affiliation.
There are democratic supporters of this bill or did that escape your attention?
It is not racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic rhetoric to want our borders secured and our laws enforced and for you to say so is disingenuous and dishonest and is simply another attempt to play the race card.
That card is all played out.
The is an area known as the Tri-Border Area (TBA). It is a lawless, ungoverned trianglar piece of land where Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil intersect.
In a July 2003 report authored by Rex Hudson, Prepared by the Federal Research Division, Library of Congress titled; TERRORIST AND ORGANIZED CRIME GROUPS IN THE TRI-BORDER AREA (TBA) OF SOUTH AMERICA (http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/TerrOrgCrime_TBA.pdf) it was noted that Islamic terrorist group activities in Tri-Border Area (TBA) during the 1999 to 2003 period provides substantial evidence for concluding that various Islamic terrorist groups have used the TBA—where Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay meet—as a haven for fund-raising, recruiting, plotting terrorist attacks elsewhere in the TBA countries or the Americas in general, and other such activities.
Islamic terrorist groups with a presence in the TBA reportedly include Egypt’s Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group) and Al-Jihad (Islamic Jihad), al Qaeda, Hamas, Hizballah, and al-Muqawamah (the Resistance; also spelled al-Moqawama), which is a pro-Iran wing of the Lebanon-based Hizballah.
Islamic terrorist groups have used the TBA for fund-raising, drug trafficking, money laundering, plotting, and other activities in support of their organizations. The large Arab community in the TBA is highly conducive to the establishment of sleeper cells of Islamic terrorists, including Hizballah and al Qaeda.
Nevertheless, as many as 11,000 members of the Islamic community in the TBA may have moved since late 2001 to other less closely watched Arab population centers in South America.
With an unholy alliance between Venezuela and Iran, and the documented terror training camps in South America, terror expert Fred would have us believe that there is no threat to worry about on our Southern Border.
We want to see ALL of our borders secured; not just our southern border.
These same people who want our standard of living, do not want to be American, they prefer to keep their language(s), customs, culture, a sub culture within the USA. I find it incredible to think that after breaking one law, plus many others with false credentials, etc, what makes you think they will suddenly become upstanding citizens? Why should they? They already get most of our legal protections, and they get a pretty free ride. Why jeopardize a good thing?
All borders need to be secured, our laws enforced, (they already cover just about everything), and if it takes just the individual states, then so be it. Our government has show how ineffective it is and how it is running like a lame duck show. States rule!
Only they can afford the less than- to minimum-wage jobs they swarm and get, because their health care and social service costs are paid for by us. Even if the City and Wishard would treat them with stabilizing treatment only, the cost would still be in the millions.
Anyone who likes having higher taxes and less bang for their buck is the only one who can honestly be anti-citizen on this issue. All of the pro-illegal folks above, I have a feeling, complain about the cost and lowered standard of living as much as we do, which makes them abject hypocrites. What they should do is just go down to Wishard and consign their incomes to Wishard for the benefit of the illegals they respect so much, whereby the rest of us do not have to suffer a diminishment of our quality of life.
Illegal alien is a LEGAL term embodied in the U.S. Code.
Title 8, Chapter 12, SUBCHAPTER II, Part IX, § 1365(b) defines ILLEGAL ALIEN thus:
An illegal alien referred to in subsection (a) of this section is any alien who is any alien... who is in the United States unlawfully and—
(1) whose most recent entry into the United States was without inspection, or
(2) whose most recent admission to the United States was as a nonimmigrant and—
(A) whose period of authorized stay as a nonimmigrant expired, or
(B) whose unlawful status was known to the Government,
I guess this is why people like you who advocate on behalf of ILLEGAL aliens don't understand that this is about the Rule of Law.
Sorry Bucko, but no cigar on this one.
We call 'em like we see 'em; ILLEGAL ALIENS!
18 USC 1459 says that entering the U.S. at other than an authorized port of entry is a felony punishable by a fine of $10,000.00 and a year in jail.
What El Mas Chingon is TRYING to do is right our of the play book of the pro-illegals, pro-amnesty open borders lobby.
He wants to control the debate by defining the semantics.
Dismissing the U.S. Code as jingoistic is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.
Sorry Bucko, but no cigar on this one either.
We call ‘em like we see ‘em; ILLEGAL ALIENS!
Sadly but predictably, it always comes down to that.
We argue FACTS. The El Mas Chingons have no facts that could possibly justify the continued existence of 12-40 million ILLEGAL aliens in America so they play the Race Card.
Because we want our borders secured and our laws enforced, we're called racists and bigots.
As I testified before the Indiana Senate on SB 335; I have spent a lifetime defending others who couldn't defend themselves. I have served as an Equal Employment Opportunity officer fighting discrimination in the workplace.
I have raised two biracial sons; one is of Chinese descent and the other is a member of the Cherokee Nation. Yet, I have been called a racist, a NAZI, a Klansman, and other names to vile to put into the record. Why? Because I had the audacity to demand that our borders are secured and our laws enforced.
The reason race is raised as an issue by those who advocate on behalf of illegal aliens can best be explained in a statement made by University of Texas professor and political activist, Alfredo Gutierrez, who said; We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works.
Because of the legacy of slavery and racism in America, we are sensitive to cries of 'racism'. Real Americans are offended by racism and reject it and those that advocate it. They are equally offended when someone plays the 'race card' to 'get attention' or to leverage an otherwise unpopular position.
The United States is the most successful multi-ethnic nation in history. It has united immigrants and their descendants from all over the world around a commitment to democratic ideals and constitutional principles. Those ideals and principles have been embraced by persons from an extraordinary variety of religious and ethnic backgrounds, partly because they permit and protect religious and cultural diversity within a framework of national political unity.
The illegal aliens who invade our country, by their own illegal act, attack our fundamental ideals and principles, and endanger the future of America. They don't hesitate to play the 'race card' to validate their own illegal actions. They attack the very principle that has made America great they attack the Rule of Law!
The issue is not about race; it's about the Rule of Law and whether we are going to continue as a Nation of Laws.
Senate Bill 335 strikes directly at the heart of the illegal immigration problem, the jobs magnet. But for the jobs magnet there wouldn't be an illegal immigration problem in the first place.
So folks, when you run into the El Mas Chingons of this world understand one thing: the Race Card is ALL they have.
Expect them to play it.
The Mexican gov't is devastating its own citizens. Why do the Latinos not have the intelligence and courage to fight for their rights in their own countries?; then, they would not have to come here and usurp ours. They have had as long as we have had to have made their countries as great as ours, but noooooooooooo. Given their cowardice/stupidity, Mexico et al, will remain third-world countries while dragging us down to their level.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Who hasn't driven down Washington Street (Reconquista Road) and seen what devastation
the illegal Latino aliens have brought to Indiana and the U.S.?
As for what is going on in other States, Oklahoma, Arizona and Arkasas have passed stringent laws barring illegals from the freebies they so badly desire and employment they so do not deserve. Kansas and Georgia are going to pass similar laws; and Indiana has weakly, but finally, stood up to serve its citizenry against the invasion. Illegals are leaving en masse the above-mentioned States. Any State which does not pass such laws will be wall to wall (like Washington Street) in illegal aliens.
Typo in post # 29 stated applicable US code was 18 U.S.C.
The correct citation is 19 U.S.C. 1459(g) which states:
(g) Criminal penalty
In addition to being liable for a civil penalty under subsection (f) of this section, any individual who intentionally violates any provision of subsection (e) of this section is, upon conviction, liable for a fine of not more than $5,000, or imprisonment for not more than 1 year, or both.
Please note that the fine for the criminal penalty is not to exceed $5,000 instead of the previously cited $10,000.
A civil penalty of $5,000 for the first violation, and $10,000 for each subsequent violation is provided for under subsection (f) of 1459.
U.S. Constitution Article IV, Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a
Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion...