IRL thinking big in China

April 28, 2009
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chinaflagThe Indy Racing League is taking a serious look at holding a race in China as early as 2011. Series officials said there are several good reasons why the league may want to head to the nation of 1.33 billion people.

“Obviously it’s a very big market, and I love the interest they are showing,” said  Terry Angstadt, president of the Indy Racing League’s commercial division, who departed Sunday for a five-day swing through China. “We are clearly interested.”

Angstadt told IBJ before this season started that he would be meeting with a number of Chinese government officials to hash out the possibilities of bringing the IRL to China. Fourteen of the IRL’s 17 races this year are in the U.S., with two excursions into Canada and one to Japan comprising the series’ international outreach. Angstadt said a race in Brazil next year is a strong possibility.

While the talks are in the “early stages,” Angstadt said Chinese officials are thinking big.

“We’re looking at one existing and one new facility,” Angstadt told IBJ. “Chinese officials said they want a venue that will hold 500,000 people.”

That’s 100,000-plus more than fit in the Indianapolis Motor Speedway for the Indianapolis 500. Such a massive audience, Angstadt said, could open the door to new league and team sponsorships in Asia and elsewhere.

But Angstadt said the move into China would be about more than appealing to a mass audience.

“A lot of our corporate partners and team sponsors have a serious interest in being in China,” Angstadt said. “Lots of IRL companies have business relations in China. For instance, Penske has operations in China and Menard’s buys in China. A race there would allow them to enhance those relationships and possibly forge new ones.”
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  • It is good that the IRL is looking to China, Brazil and Canada. Not bad for a domestic series. Why, though, did they throw away Australia??

    The IRL future, if there is one, should be to challenge Formula One as an international series that tests driver's skills on the best ovals, street and road courses in the world.

    If they can pull that off without the arrogance of Formula One and P.T. Barnum of NASCAR, they could really dominate
  • HOLey MOly IT could be the HOp SIng 5 HUnnert!!! WE go the MOntegi and then may be the CHinese race. Waht next? I wonder if they get the VErses over there?

    MAN oh man this just boggels the mined. BOggels it.
  • Johnsorg, I asked Terry Angstadt about the Australia race, and he responded that at this time it is simply impossible logistically and financially for the IRL. He did admit, the crowd there was great.
  • Wasn't trying out international races part of the moves CART was doing as it was drowning itself?

    Don't get me wrong, great for sponsors, but it will probably alienate the US crowd which is the last thing the series needs. The reason why F1 makes people so angry is how little they care about the fans and how much they chase sponsors and whoever will pay the highest sanctioning fee. Is Bernie rubbing off?
  • Purdue Fan,

    Not so sure your point equates. If the IRL can band their Japan race with a Chinese race and also please sponsors plus bringing in some much needed additional prize $$ for teams, then extending the season makes sense, especially if they get promo and financial commitments from the Chinese. I don't see how that would offend US fans. Am I missing a point here?

    As it is, they have many holes in their schedules and they can fill in some foreign options if they make financial sense and help them build the team structures with more money to gain from their travels. CART, on the other hand, seemed to be very good at adding expenses and had to do much team funding just adding fuel to their own self-destructive fire.
  • I think the IRL needs to be real careful not to have too many international races. I understand the big money that they get, especially what China will throw at them, plus the sponsor opportunities etc..., but they do need to be careful to only have a small percentage of their races overseas. Brazil makes sense with the historically strong connection between Indycar and Brazilian Drivers.

    The IRL needs to be careful for the short term and the long term. I do not think 3 or 4 overseas races will alienate American fans, but increasing that number will make it tougher for fans to follow it.
  • The problem with the international market that IRL faces is pretty daunting.

    You ever compare a Dallara Dart to an F1 car in 2009? :lol: total complete pieces of S**t compared to the best engineered race cars in the world. I'll bet they don't bite, or if they do, they will spit it out in an instant. International race fans are discerning, and not likely to buy into the dumb-downed, spec, barn door winged crapwagons.

    IMO of course. :lol:
  • Hey DaHooey, speaking of what you call flying crapwagons, how about that taxi cab of Carl Edwards that got very airborne? It can happen in many venues. Fast cars and too much speed trying for the same piece of track real estate, no matter how well engineered, can create potential disaster.
  • “Chinese officials said they want a venue that will hold 500,000 people.”

    That’s 100,000-plus more than fit in the Indianapolis Motor Speedway

    :rolleyes:

    Anthony, please cease promoting the 400,000 myth. One of the very few things Cavedin has done well in his 'job', is pretty much pummel that fiction.

    Talkin' Terry is hysterical. Sounds like some moron that learned a bunch of buzzwords in 'bizness skool' and always talks in those terms thinking he sounds smart, when the reality is he sounds foolish. But that sort of duncery has always impressed His Inheritance, so he's a really good fit working as a mouthpiece for that miserable 'league'.

    BG, you like to make up complete fiction about CART and post it as fact. You sound as daft as Terry. Typical Hulmanista gomer rubbish.'If CART did it, it was bad, but if the earl does it, it's grate!'

    Pathetic. Does it hurt to be such a hypocrite? It should.

    Funny how you IMS suckbags are still obsessed over CART. The reason you have an inferiority complex about CART is cause the 'league' is, in fact, inferior in every way to CART, always has been, always will be. Even now, when CART is long dead. :lol: It will never be anything but a cheap, shoddy, stupid imitation. Must suck to be a fan of idiocy.

    As for Edwards gratering v. a crapwagon, completely different aero and momentum factors involved. The crapwagon design is complete, well, crap. But one of these days, it will clear a fence. Then you can celebrate your 'victory' over Nascar. :lol:
  • Stan, if you feel that the IRL is in fact, inferior in every way to CART, and it had the cars and the stars and it had the big money sponsors, and it had the business plan and the big dollar owners and the tv contract and it had all the top tracks but one, how do you explain their 3 bankruptcies in 10 years or so? I mean if it was all that, then why did it fail? Still waiting for one of you to explain that one.

    F1 has the most expensive equipment in racing, but they still have some of the least competitive races. That is one reason real race fans have trouble getting behind it. They are not dazzled because Ferrari or BMW can build a very expensive car, they love a close race. Real race fans would rather watch two lawn tractors go head to head in a photo finish than watch a F1 car win by a half of a lap.
  • real race fans have trubble getting behind F1

    Are you on drugs? :lol:



    EARL @ Kansas = 170k viewers

    F1 @ Bahrain = 55million viewers

    Real race fans? lmfao.
  • Real race fans would rather watch two lawn tractors go head to head in a photo finish...

    the lawn tractors raced at Kansas on Sunday and no one watched on TV or in person.
  • how about that taxi cab of Carl Edwards that got very airborne?

    After it was hit while spinning by a car at 195 miles an hour. This was not a crapwagon hitting a quarter sized piece of debris and doing a space shuttle launch. And Edwards walked away, unlike most of the crapwagon launches.
  • I love that enhancing and forging and relationship talk and the market stuff and everything that isn't about the sport of automobile racing but about building business opportunities for the Multi-millionares that own IRL teams.

    I submit this. How about designing an Indy Car that a trucking company owner from Kalamazoo or a body shop specialist from Pacoima can run at Iowa, Nashville, Michigan, Phoenix, and then the big annual race in May for like $100,000 with a driver who shows up with helmet in hand and grease on his face and dirt in his eyes from Tulsa or Lime Rock or wherever and just smacks down the loud pedal and goes for hell or victory or both, with a bunch of his buddies fora pit crew? It can still be professional. It can still be all that. And it can still be fast and spectacular.

    Instead, we forge relationships to build more ugly, expensive race cars for foreign ride buyers to drive, not race. And now we'll probably get some Mao Ying hot shoe that is all the rage in Hong Kong but nobody, I said N-O-B-O-D-Y, in Tucumcari or Tucson will give any more a rat's backside then than they do now for Vitor Meira.

    A China race will be sure to finally garner the IRL that coveted -0.5 rating and force the league to pay non-Gomers a stipend to watch the races.

    IRL R.I.P. in 2011.
  • I doubt they'd fill a 500,000 seat track unless they were giving the tickets for free. Anybody watch the Chinese Grand Prix? That track holds 200,000 people. It had a lot of people the first year...this year, one entire grandstand was closed and had some marketing for an Expo on all the seats....

    Now if you could argue that IRL has a larger Chinese fan base than F1, then maybe you could make sense of it. I highly doubt it though...they are blowing smoke at the IRL (not necessarily for sponsor related exposure and marketing, but the the track attendance)
  • Stan, I'm not promoting the 400,000 myth.
    My post reads: That’s 100,000-plus more than fit in the Indianapolis Motor Speedway for the Indianapolis 500.
    Since Chinese officials want a 500,000-seat venue, that means that I am saying there are fewer than 400,000 at the Speedway for the Indianapolis 500. Thanks for reading.
  • Anthony, that's not true. Curt Cavedin did a much publicized (and hated by the Gomerati) count and found roughly 275 is the max seating for the I500 event. that is a far cry from 400k lets not mislead the public, please! :lol:


    IRL: not 400k at Indy
  • OK, I will try to be as clear as possible. The post says that 500,000 minus more than 100,000 = less than 400,000. The post clearly says (or is trying its best to clearly say) the IMS does not hold 400,000. Again, the post says if the Chinese race draws 500,000, that will be more than 100,000 bodies more than attend the Indy 500. Sorry for the confusion.
  • You league haters are as dense as you are determined. Gee, 275,000 seats plus how many in the infield could we get, duhhhhhh....You guys done convincing yourselves of your hate? You have so much spittle on yourselves from your own venom, wow! Why don't you just quit sucking on sourballs and reaize you ain't goin' nowhere with your rotten attitudes. I've never seen anything like it. Perhaps you could find some creative way to let your juices flow instead of all over yourselves and everyone that cares to care.

    Oh, and Alan Metcalfe, go play with yourself in the corner. Maybe you'll enjoy that.
  • I submit this. How about designing an Indy Car that a trucking company owner from Kalamazoo or a body shop specialist from Pacoima can run at Iowa, Nashville, Michigan, Phoenix, and then the big annual race in May for like $100,000 with a driver who shows up with helmet in hand and grease on his face and dirt in his eyes from Tulsa or Lime Rock or wherever and just smacks down the loud pedal and goes for hell or victory or both, with a bunch of his buddies fora pit crew? It can still be professional. It can still be “all that”. And it can still be fast and spectacular.

    You just described a USAC Silver Crown car.
  • Don't worry Anthony, dahooey has not read any article on the IRL without his IRL/TG hater glasses on. He is blinded by his hatred of the series. We have been dealing with his affliction for a while now.

    Indy has the largest seating capacity of any permanent facility in the world. How is that, can we all agree with that statement?

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