The developers of downtown's Villagio at Page Pointe
are hoping city officials will waive development standards so condo owners can cool off in a new pool next door to the 9-story
project at Virginia Avenue and South East Street. Locally based Page Development has applied to build a private pool on a
triangle-shaped lot where the condo sales center now sits (identified in pink). The plans would require variances to allow
the pool as a primary use and for a 4-foot setback instead of the required 10 feet. If approved, residents of Villagio would have to walk across the alley to access the pool. A "brick veneer" wall would front East
Street. What do you think? A hearing is set for June 17.
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Welcome to Property Lines, Indy's source for neighborhood real estate news. Your host is Scott Olson, IBJ's real estate beat
reporter. Edited by Cory Schouten.
The developers of downtown's Villagio at Page Pointe
are hoping city officials will waive development standards so condo owners can cool off in a new pool next door to the 9-story
project at Virginia Avenue and South East Street. Locally based Page Development has applied to build a private pool on a
triangle-shaped lot where the condo sales center now sits (identified in pink). The plans would require variances to allow
the pool as a primary use and for a 4-foot setback instead of the required 10 feet. If approved, residents of Villagio would have to walk across the alley to access the pool. A "brick veneer" wall would front East
Street. What do you think? A hearing is set for June 17.
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do you own the property?
you guys crack me up. if they dont want to use the building then who cares. new buildings look better than the old ones around there anyway. apart from the church, the whole block should go.
while they are at it they need to demolish the whole block on washington st btwn penn and washington(north side) ans start over. maybe keep the facades.
I loved how Mr. Page called this his gift to Fountain Square then proceeded to erect one the most ill-built, awkward, cheap-looking, luxury condos in the city.
This retarded use of land just continues the precedent of poor land use that the building has set for itself. The idea of putting a pool for luxury condos at ground-level at that intersection is ridiculous.
It's called DESIGN, Mr. Page. Look it up.
Meanwhile, the rest of downtown will continue to try to ignore this...
Bottom line is, there are several other condos developments downtown that are much nicer and more worthy of your hard-earned money. Unless you're stalking Hélio Castroneves.
doesn't seem like this project is very thought out does it? parking garage and bland backside facing neighborhood, add on pool, etc etc
Why not create a community pool on a vacant and empty lot?
Not everything that is old is historic but encouraging demolition of the original structures is quiet bad for neighborhoods seeking their own identity.
The Villagio is not very well designed and stands as an eyesore to many of the classic structures around it. It especially looks tacky sitting across from a nice old church(and that church doesn't even have its steeple anymore!).
It seems like Villagio is getting away with slowly destroying that section of Fletcher Place. It is their property indeed but it is not their 'personal property.'(in which I don't mean jewelry or photo albums, I mean their homes.) it is business property and many people around there with personal property are going to lose from this.
The current structure relates much better to the street level then a blank brick wall. The whole thing is ill designed.
If only there existed a design contraceptive for lusty developers....
There is no reasonable distinction between personal property and business property. Property is property and you are arguing about what sort of person(legal or real) owns it. Remember that the interest in that corporate person is the personal property of a real person or persons. And the condos are personal property as well. I agree that this project is for the most part awful and I actually honestly don't see how an individual could have any sort of pride in it. That is not the point. What is one's property is one's property, and you are either FOR property rights or not. Simplistic maybe, but asking for the rights of one property owners to be curtailed in order to prevent a possible loss of value by surrounding owners(when it does not satisfy the requirements of the Coming of the Nuisance doctrine) is a slippery slope for land use being dictated by people that are not market actors and therefore with minimal incentives to make correct choices.
Let them build their pool and see how potential residents feel about the sort of amenities they are being offered. If not enough people purchase a unit, they will lose money and be forced to sell the property to someone who will more than likely have to do a complete makeover and probably make a smarter use of the parcel in question. Otherwise, there is not much to argue with here.
Are you implying through your headline that perhaps the lovechild of The Watson's Girl and Reggie Miller is being raised somewhere within the Villagio?
Sounds like the start of a great new Property Lines Scavenger Hunt!
I would guess People like you don’t care about HOW YOU’RE WORLD (CITY) LOOKS. As long as your not paying for it. People like you, would let a developer put this type of building on Monument Circle. People like you, would let the State cover the State House in Vinyl siding. People like you would remove all the Parks for Parking lots. You MUST be a Developer.
As for tearring down a building, ok, I can live with that, but to then replace it with a pool along East Street? Surely Staff has recommended denial of this?
I heard though that they have always targeted that parcel for a pool as an extension of the property but were waiting for sales of the condo to purcahse it an develop it. Why can't they re configure the garage and have the pool on that.
This project has not enhanced the livability of downtown, it ruined a great triangular lot and the view of everything behind it. The least they could've done was put something to look at on the south facade, but no, a giant beige wall was all they could manage to come up with.
What could've been a great gateway into the rebirth of Fountain Square has now been replaced by a giant tacky box.
I've stuck my neck out and invested in downtown Indy by living there. I try to spend as much of my money downtown as possible. I encourage every person I know to do the same.
If and when that area of downtown starts to get more mid to high-rise infill, this building will start to blend in more and become part of a fabric, just as MikeW suggested in his post earlier.
Hypothetical for everyone: which is better? NO developmet AT ALL or development which you consider mediocre? Seriously, if you had to choose one which would it be? I have never visited a city which didn't have it's share of mediocre development but I have been to PLENTY of cities which WISH they were getting ANY development......
1. it’s not your money, so shut up.
2. More mediocre architecture will blend in with the mediocre architecture.
3. If you don't like it MOVE.
Or
4. Be glade for what you get.
1. It doesn't matter if it's his money or not. Planning and zoning exists to protect surrounding property owners from ridiculous developments like these.
2. Oh, thank god... we can expect even more medicority to counterbalance the existing medicority.
3. Um, no. I lived in this neighbrohood before this hellhole came along. It should have never been built like that in the first place.
4. I have no idea how to be glade. Perhaps if I could plug into a wall and emit a warm, flowery smell, I'd take your advice.
LOL!
Seems a lot of posts take this as a truism, and just curious what there is to support it.