JW work to begin in June

April 11, 2008
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JW MarriottA three-year project to build a new convention headquarters hotel along West Street now is scheduled to begin on June 1, immediately after the Indianapolis 500, said Mike Wells of developer REI Investments, which is working with White Lodging on the project. The first order of business for the $425-million JW Marriott development: Partial demolition of an existing Courtyard by Marriott and closure of a TGI Friday's restaurant. The development team has sent out bids for the work. Wells said renderings of the hotel's interior will be available soon. Stay tuned.
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  • No, not the TGI Friday's! Where will we go to get our Zen Chicken Pot Stickers?
  • OMG I can't live without TGI Fridays! CANCEL CONSTRUCTION!
  • Have there been any additional renderings of what this is actually going to look like. Something with a little more detail? Hopefully the set backs aren't going to be as suburban as it appears they might be.
  • I went to the Indian's Opening game and I was just mesmerized at how gorgeous this building is going to look and how vital it will be to the lower west side, as well as, the LUKE for the upper south. I see all the surface parking downtown and that alone makes me hopeful.
  • When will we get more street level renderings?
  • Why is it that the same people worrying about the set back are the same people crying about the lack of green space downtown...... gbow?
  • I don't know...I think we have plenty of green space...I just don't like set backs...esp on the west side of downtown that arleady has a very a suburban feel to it.
  • A suburban hotel for a suburban downtown.
  • What do they mean by partial demolition? I thought the entire courtyard was going to be torn down? As it should be it looks old and dated and is too short it should have never been built dt to begin with, please destroy it all and make this project completely new and fresh.
  • Matt, the high-rise portion of the hotel will remain and get a complete overhaul.
  • Could someone show the latest layout and renderings of all three or four hotels in this complex in addition to the covered walkways between them and the convention center?
  • Mike -

    The designs for the third hotel (to be located on the southwest corner of the site) have not yet been finalized although it is expected to be anywhere from 8-12 storeys tall. Also, that third building will have a sizable setback with a large parking lot in front. CorND: it is my understanding that Fridays (albeit a renovated one) will remain a part of the hotel complex after project completion. Sorry :-(
  • I've also just received confirmation the main tower will include a Starbucks.

    I'm not kidding.
  • hey don't look at me...I was never dumb enough to spend $4.00 for a cup of coffee
  • Off the subject, but what ever happened to the proposed hotel connected to the new midfield airport terminal? Any renderings, finances, or timeline?
  • Surface parking? What a joke.
  • Indy -

    To clarify, the main tower will feature underground parking but yes, the third tower will have definitely have some surface parking.
  • I was hoping that the building design would become more inovative since that first time it was published. The building seems dated. The 70's style smilar to the Gold Building, City County Building and AT & T Building is very boring and typical Indianapolis. Why can't Indianapolis have a signature hotel building similar to Lousiville and Nashville. These cities have in the works hotels due to their height and unique architectural form will add distinction to their skylines. The Intercontinental would have done this. Surface parking in an urban area seems inappropriate. Come on Indianapolis we can do better. We had to use an out-of-town architect for this.
  • Robert-

    I think that this tower, although nothing ground-breaking, is going to look much better than you think. I like it and think it will add tremendously to our skyline. And, as an FYI, Signature Tower in Nashville still has no construction date and no SIGNED sales contracts for any of the condos. As for Museum Spasm in Louisville...never going to happen. They broke ground only to remove all construction equipment because the developers hadn't secured all financing (there is some construction spin being tossed around that there were foundation issues). Don't hold you breath on either of those towers being built. They were both born out of speculation at a time when the market could have been risky. At least our new tower is based off of need, not hope.

    I have been told that the main tower will be built last. Is there any truth to this?
  • CoryW-
    Not to sure about Nashville, but for Lousiville I beg to differ...
    http://www.whas11.com/news/local/stories/whas11_topstory_080402_louisville.25c4e26b.html?npc
  • The site plan I've seen for the most recent design shows zero surface parking. On the other hand, it includes a whopping FOUR loading areas/loops.

    If they weren't so fixated on reusing the current Courtyard building, they could have used The Urbanophile's idea of a single, central loading area for every building on the site.

    http://theurbanophile.blogspot.com/2008/01/hotel-mundane-no-more.html
  • What is that link about MP in Louisville suppose to tell us?
  • Joanie, don't mind CoryW, he's a Louisville hater.
  • As much as you try and talk yourself into and around it...this is what it is....mediocre at best/subraban. It belongs at Keystone at the Crossing or someplace outside the loop. I still think this development is a major disappointment born of the good ole boy network.
  • No CoryW is realistic. The Louisville Spasm was never going to happen.
  • Perfect description that this belongs at Keystone at the Crossing. It looks similar to the tallest building with the curved form.
  • Suburbs in other cities have better architecture than we do in our downtown. What a shame, what a shame...
  • Call me crazy, but I like the tower.
  • This tower is going to look fine and is a marked improvement over the previous 2 incarnations.
  • I am sorry but you guys need to open your eyes. This is a great looking tower with very solid architecture in a side of dt that will benefit tremendously. If this was proposed in New York or Chicago you would be saying, damn i wish indy could get a tower like that. Everyone on here with a negative view is simply a hater. Plain and simple.
  • Chicago or NY would never build such crap.
  • Memo. We arent Chicago or NY.

    Indianapolis has done better in recent years, more vision would be a plus but I wouldnt call this hotel project part of the problem.
  • I love when people have worthless arguments as to why they don't like the look of a building. Calling it crap (ie. Helen) serves no purpose in this forum. How about stating an educated opinion as to why it is 'crap'?
  • Crap seems a bit harsh. I think the building design needs more detail on the facade, projections or indentations, a stepped or sloped roof form and a more unique building form. The building lacks interest.. I am sure a lot of this is budget driven. It would get lost in the skyline if it was not out by itself.
  • Indy-

    Louisville is the arm pit of America...happy? I am not a Louisville hater at all...HOWEVER, I am a hater of any person who tries to spin Louisville into some urban mecca while simultaneously running Indy into the ground. There is a huge difference. The Ville has a number of things that I wish were here in Indy.

    Joanie-

    I am very well-read on the Museum Spasm project and, barring devine intervention, the thing will not be built...at least in the capacity publicisized. The spin that Louisville is getting now is the exact same thing that happened with the MSA site here a few years ago. Agreements being signed with the city guaranteeing construction by a certain date, redesigns of the website and new floor plans & price points for the condos, etc. BEEN THERE DONE THAT. The fact that they REMOVED ALL CONSTRUCTION equipment from the site and actually canceled delivery of the cranes speaks to the reality of the project.

    NOW, concering Indy's guaranteed new tower, will this be built after the smaller two or will it all happen at the same time?

    Thanks.
  • Actually I think CoreyW's first statement about Louisville is more accurate...armpit. I have never a seen a city do some of the most outrageous false promoting of itself as Louisville does. Didn't theyrecently now claim to be larger than Boston or was it the entire eastern seaboard(after they merger with Jefferson Co....I forgot). Sorry LOL
  • What? Your're trashing Louisville for doing the same thing that Indy has been doing for 30+ years? What a hypocrite. Indy also claims to be larger than Boston, San Fran, Atlanta, etc...
  • Yeah, I think we're the 13th largest city in the country. The legitimate complaints seem to be with how the site will appear at street level, especially the large conference space/ballroom along Maryland Street, and how pedestrian travel will be enhanced or discouraged. Of course, on the positive side, it couldn't possibly end up being a less appropriate downtown development than what currently exists at the site.

    Noteworthy is that the developer is proposing to vacate all of the public right-of-way, including sidewalks, up to the curbline of all the surrounding streets. When they have determined how much space they need the buildings to take up, they will dedicate back whatever is left to the public for sidewalks. I hope the city doesn't end up with a narrow curbside sidewalk that barely accommodates two people passing, while 40+MPH traffic zooms by on the street.
  • I have never seen Indy running around with a size complex...it doesn't have to. It has and does host and coduct world class events. F1, Pan Am etc. I have never seen it say it was anything other than it is the 13 largest city in the US, which it is. I don't see it showing images on itself with photoshopped images of its downtown with buildings and areans that don't exist. Professionall all over town in Indy. The list goes on.
    To compare Louisville downtown revitialization with Indy's is a joke.
    4th Street Live...please a hand full of bars and a CVS and Borders...common. Some one told me 4.5 milliion people a year visist 4th street live...that is almost the entire state of kentucky. That muse be on heck of a popular CVS, T mobile strore and Borders.
  • Folks, anyway you cut it, Indianapolis is NOT the thirteenth largest city in America!

    According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the population for the metropolitan statistical area (MSA) of Indianapolis-Carmel is 1,695,037. This makes us the 32nd largest such area in the United States.

    Okay, okay, what about the other surrounding counties? A more comprehensive statistical analysis is the combined statistical area (CSA), also measured by the U.S. Census Bureau and the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). Using CSA metrics, the population of the Indianapolis metro area is 2,014,000, making us the 23rd largest such area in the United States.

    The only way Indianapolis can be considered the 13th largest city is by measuring only the population of the city proper; when we do this, we have a population of about 786,000. If this is how you want to rank cities, go right ahead...but remember when ranking populations without regard to the entire statistical or urbanized area, you are saying Indianapolis is bigger than San Francisco. Hardly!

    The best way to measure the true size of a city is by its urban agglomeration - or total urbanized area. This is measured by the population located in contiguous census block groups with a population of at least 1,000 per square mile. Using this preferred method of measurement, Indianapolis is ranked 33rd in the country.

    For the sake of our already bruised egos, however, I will stick to the CSA calculations...but that still means we are about the 20th largest city in America. If you've been to most cities in America recently, you know that many formerly comparable cities boomed big time in the 90s and have left us in the dust.

    A positive spin on this: for not being one of the fifteen largest cities, we are doing pretty well. We're not a dynamic, cosmopolitan city like some other places and we are not going to be anytime soon, if ever. Be happy with what we have...we have a lot of a medium sized city.
  • *a lot for, not a lot of ;-)
  • Idyllic-

    40MpH on West St? I would pass you like you were standing still.
  • CoryW=

    I'm sure you would. I was giving the benefit of the doubt that some cars might be slowing slightly for the curve along Maryland Street. But if the sidewalks don't work out, at least we'll have the planned ped bridge to the state parking garage.
  • Wasn't West Street supposed to be an interstate?
  • lol it only seems like an interstate
  • MSA CSA, are all games cities use to make themselves look better. I have never seen Indy advertise itself as larger than Atlanta, SF or Boston.
    But in fact Indy proper migh acutally be. Just like Louisville proper is actually smaller than Lexington KY.
  • I think Louisville proper is now larger than Lexington now that they have incorporated the entire county.
  • anyway back on topic..Louisville isn't worth talking about. I still think this design is bad and I disagree...I think it will look even worse when it it built.

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