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The tower looks excellent. Hopefully there will be a nice lighting scheme for the night. The building base definitely needs
to be updated. It still looks like two different buildings. Maybe they can add another tower in the parking lot. Can't
wait to see it complete.
the lighting scheme seems like it'll be very impressive. thats what the big LED boards that line the top of the tower are
going to do. Similar lighting on a structure in Dallas
What a little color does for our skyline; love the way it reflects the skyline and lightly assimilates the color of the sky.
It still is essentially a >500' box, but it is no longer a dated and mundane box.
Yup - a Gren Roof is definitly needed. I can even picture a little roof-top cafe or break area just to watch the action below
and then the rest of the space green. That really is a nice roof for that concept. People walking by could see haning plants
overflow off the edges and trees and such - it could be Indianapolis' Hanging Gardens!! lol
Does anyone know why they are using a different color of windows on the west end (left side in the picture above) of the north
and south sides of the building?
One thought was that they were waiting to repair the broken windows before putting in the color.
It is going to be awesome when completed. I cannot wait to see what it looks like at night time. Does anyone know the estimated
time of completion. I thought I heard in 2009. Late in 09 I guess.......
The use of different colored glass is a way to add more visual interest to what is basically, as mheidelberger calls
it above, a big box.
Compare this glass treatment to a house that has both brick and wood siding, a couch with an interesting pattern and
different colored pillows, perhaps even the pinstriping on a car.
They're breaking up the space, giving the eye more to be stimulated by. It's now asymmetrical, which makes the viewer
engage with the facade in a more purposeful way. The brain actually has to work a bit to figure out what's going on, and that
makes it a more intriguing building. As you round the tower, the interest keeps building as the facade changes.
The architects may also be commenting on the proportions of the building. By shaving off a portion of the edge with the
dark glass, they've created a leaner silhouette with the light blue. It helps create the illusion of a taller, more vertical
tower.
Maurer would never had made this move without the storm insurance he was lucky enough to cash in on. Looks nice, too bad it
took a storm to make it happen !
You can see renderings on Gensler's website. No night shots though.
It's a good curtain wall and remove's the most hideous piece of our skyline.
Next up, knock that idiotic glowstick off the Old National Building.
I think they should add a faux stone front to the lower levels, complemented by a yellow/black checkerboard design. Maybe
some opaque black windows at street level. Thoughts?
I live dt with a south facing balcony and have enjoyed watching this renovation. It does strike me as curious how incredibly
slow it seems to progress. One evening a section of the upper-most part of the building was glowing blue, slowly fading from
bright blue to nothing to bright blue again. It's probably going to be pretty neat when finished.
I think it looks wonderful so far. It does indeed make the building look like it's entirely brand new and the Indy skyline
is going to be completely different in the next couple years. This building's new updated look, the new Marriott Hotel, and
the missing marshmallow top of the RCA Dome. I wish the Market Square area had already been developed into two high rise
towers, because the downtown area would look like it has been stretched further.
I agree Dustin. I specifically was looking forward to seeing Kosene & Kosene's proposal go up at MSA. It was a somewhat
sophisticated design that referenced the City County Building and its use of glass would have gone well with the new JW Marriott,
One Indiana Square, and Central Library. Oh well, hopefully any development that actually happens there will be even better.
Oh my I just remember the Market Square Building's gold windows... Pennsylvania Street is sure going to be very shiny when
the sun shines on both One Indiana Square and Market Square buildings.
Speaking about the Market Square site the City should make improvements to the gravel parking lot. They should be required
to pave, add curbs and landscaping as required by other Owners. This is a disgrace to this part of downtown at least improve
since it could be years before it is developed. This is going to be an embarrassment when the Super Bowl comes to town.
My desk is on the 12th floor of OIS and faces east. They are cutting metal outside the window this morning. The smell is
awful but that's the price for progress. :-)
robeth, you are absolutely right. I still can't believe that section of downtown has been ignored. It is an utter embarrassment,
considering the fact how close Mass Ave is... I can imagine tourists who visited that district and then drove by the huge
empty lot thinking, What is that? Yes, I know the economy is doing pretty bad, but come on, there has to be SOME developer
somewhere who has the money who can actually invest in that property. Wouldn't it be so nice to have that inner city market
concept where there is an urban two or three story Target with resident floors above it? A building across the street carrying
the same concept but with restaurants, boutiques, and more residential floors above. One can only dream until reality takes
place. But for now, it is embarrassing.
Like most things, redoing it takes longer than just doing it fresh. They have to seal off the existing exterior, attach the
new exterior, and remove the old exterior all while people work in it every day. They could probably move a bit faster, but
all in all its moved pretty well during the nicer summer / fall weather.
From talking to the foreman it's my understanding that initial work was slow from lack of workers. There was another job
site that was finishing up. That held off the initial push for some months. But true, this spring/summer/fall they are moving
along gangbusters.
Somebody call up Trump and see if he is interested in developing MSA.
He has projects in Charlotte and New Orleans which are the same caliber of cities as Indy. Indy has no need for office
space, but hotel-condos still has a demand. These are the same projects going up in the afore mentioned cities. Trump Indy
has a cocky tone about it, don't you think?
Todd, I think you are right. If Trump ever decided to establish a presence in Indy, it would definitely make Indy even more
noticable because of his name. Honestly though, Charlotte and New Orleans have both been more progressive than Indy lately.
The One Indiana Square building's looking okay, but there are bigger urban/city-scape issues and challenges on downtown's
eastside.
I have no particular answers, just a list:
*The old city hall-state museum-interim library. Beautiful, but what practical use does it have - can it have?
*The VERY depressing and unattractive MSA site. Can we at least plant some grass? Put up green fencing? implode it...again?
*Empty, dark, and decaying office buildings )like the Consolidated, if I have the name right)
*Will the City Market make it? For a smaller scale and very successful urban market, look at Columbus Ohio's North Market
*An overcrowded and long-in-the-tooth CCB. It's a grim, monolithic dump
Too bad, because there IS activity on the fringes, like Lockerbie, new housing, the cultural trail, and Mass Ave.. Given
that and the rehabbed tower -- there's something to build on -- ideas and inspiration anyone?
parkershade, do you have a fat wallet? If you do, it would be so nice if you could make the MSA site more of a grassy park,
rather than leaving it dirty and rocky...
I fear my wallet isn't THAT fat, but I can get a deal on grass seed. If you have a rake and a shovel, let's hit the dirt!
God knows Indy Parks doesn't have the moola.
How would you like to be one of the residents in the new housing next to the MSA site? Now THAT'S a city view for you!
It would keep me from moving there. Anyone reading this live there? Isn't that depressing, especially considering your rent/mortgage?
Yes, grass would be an improvement, because for all practical purposes, and with this economy, that site will be barren
for years. So why on earth bother with the Open Market project -- as if tearing down the 65 on-ramp bridge will make a difference?
The bigger challenge is the MSA site and the blocks just to the east.
parkershade, I actually liked that ramp. It was like a big city feel riding on the ramp then curving to the right and seeing
the downtown, reminded me of Chicago. Anyway I can understand how that area became so blighted that it was necessary to get
rid of the ramp but at the same time, like you said, just doing that alone is not enough. Speaking of those townhomes in
the area, I think it's just a mess. Why build so many of those in this same area?? It's boring and not big city like...
That area of downtown should have been developed into higher rises rather than mediocre cookie cutter style brownstones...
Sure it's one thing to grow the downtown population, but it's another thing in terms of future development (will it last or
will it be a bite in the city's butt?)
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Yet there are two more things Maurer can do...
1) Add a green roof above the lower portion of the building. It would do wonders!
2) Implement a complementing glass secion the rest of the building on the lower floors. No need for a stark contrast between the two!
One thought was that they were waiting to repair the broken windows before putting in the color.
The use of different colored glass is a way to add more visual interest to what is basically, as mheidelberger calls it above, a big box.
Compare this glass treatment to a house that has both brick and wood siding, a couch with an interesting pattern and different colored pillows, perhaps even the pinstriping on a car.
They're breaking up the space, giving the eye more to be stimulated by. It's now asymmetrical, which makes the viewer engage with the facade in a more purposeful way. The brain actually has to work a bit to figure out what's going on, and that makes it a more intriguing building. As you round the tower, the interest keeps building as the facade changes.
The architects may also be commenting on the proportions of the building. By shaving off a portion of the edge with the dark glass, they've created a leaner silhouette with the light blue. It helps create the illusion of a taller, more vertical tower.
Thank you for the great architectural explanation about the different colored glass. I cannot wait to see the tower completed.
It's a good curtain wall and remove's the most hideous piece of our skyline.
Next up, knock that idiotic glowstick off the Old National Building.
And here's the link to the images that Josh mentions above.
http://www.gensler.com/#projects/158
Speed up the pace before the insurance company paying for repairs goes bust or construction costs rise.
Get it done.
I do agree about screening and landscaping.
He has projects in Charlotte and New Orleans which are the same caliber of cities as Indy. Indy has no need for office space, but hotel-condos still has a demand. These are the same projects going up in the afore mentioned cities. Trump Indy has a cocky tone about it, don't you think?
I have no particular answers, just a list:
*The old city hall-state museum-interim library. Beautiful, but what practical use does it have - can it have?
*The VERY depressing and unattractive MSA site. Can we at least plant some grass? Put up green fencing? implode it...again?
*Empty, dark, and decaying office buildings )like the Consolidated, if I have the name right)
*Will the City Market make it? For a smaller scale and very successful urban market, look at Columbus Ohio's North Market
*An overcrowded and long-in-the-tooth CCB. It's a grim, monolithic dump
Too bad, because there IS activity on the fringes, like Lockerbie, new housing, the cultural trail, and Mass Ave.. Given that and the rehabbed tower -- there's something to build on -- ideas and inspiration anyone?
I fear my wallet isn't THAT fat, but I can get a deal on grass seed. If you have a rake and a shovel, let's hit the dirt! God knows Indy Parks doesn't have the moola.
How would you like to be one of the residents in the new housing next to the MSA site? Now THAT'S a city view for you! It would keep me from moving there. Anyone reading this live there? Isn't that depressing, especially considering your rent/mortgage?
Yes, grass would be an improvement, because for all practical purposes, and with this economy, that site will be barren for years. So why on earth bother with the Open Market project -- as if tearing down the 65 on-ramp bridge will make a difference? The bigger challenge is the MSA site and the blocks just to the east.