Mixed-use to replace nursing home

April 25, 2008
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Chatham CenterLocally based Teagen Development Inc. plans to start next month on a $2.2-million retail and residential project that will replace an old nursing home at the northeast corner of East and Ninth streets downtown. The Chatham Center project calls for 11 apartments renting for between $850 and $1,500 and about 9,000 Chatham Centersquare feet of retail space. Teagen is about two weeks away from closing on its financing and plans to demolish the old nursing home in mid-May, said Larry Jones, the company's president. Plans show apartments above the retail space, along with a couple of townhome-style units along Ninth Street. The project's retail space will face East Street. The project was designed by Perkins VonDeylen Architects. What do you think?
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  • I wanted to comment before someone complained it was not 30 stories tall.

    Great size and scale for that area. It takes an old eyesore and provides a vibrant building. One more piece in the puzzle. Also good to see development continue with the slow down elsewhere.

    I hope they keep the semi green roof.
  • The architecture compliments a lot of the more eclectic modern homes that've been creeping up in the area.

    I also think that while they are more expensive - there is a big market for apartments in the near downtown area.

    Condos have overtaken everything - so it's smart to go apartments.

    Can this corner sustain retail, though? Possibly - I didn't think 25th and Delaware would work for retail - but the goose market and hair salon seem to be doing really well.
  • I am glad that this spot is being used for apartments as well. I would like to move downtown but I cannot afford a $300,000 condo so this is a start.
  • MMM it looks like a 40’s School building turned office space. Now there turning it into apartments. Are you sure this was not a CVS design rework for this site? Like they just hung balconies and baffles off the side of a boring flat roof brick building. What’s with all the BRUTAL steel columns? SO COLD. I would guess that Perkins VonDeylen do a lot of School designs. Any things better then that Nursing home. As for shops in that area. ? Indianapolis already has a G&L book shop just down the street. It's just too far of the Mass Ave corridor to get any real foot traffic. NOW, this would work much better at 16th and Meridian. Only larger. This would fit like a glove there...

    Can we get them to trade sites? This goes up to 16th st and the CVS goes here….
  • Very nice, but get that damn bike off the sidewalk!
  • The biker is a child. I agree that bikes should be on the street. I'm a biker in Chicago and always ride on the street unless I’m about to lock my bike up. If asked, I’d love to talk about my close calls!

    In response to Greg, many retailers, especially grocery stores, use a suburban viewpoint when looking at entering an urban market. They only look at the neighborhood’s income and don’t take into account density or other purchasing power – like food stamps. Most inner-city residents in Indianapolis are forced to shop for goods and services at places like Village Pantry. These are more expensive than their suburban counterparts as well as don’t have a very good selection.

    The Goose is a good example because there is high density within the Fall Creek Place and it is mixed economically. Sadly retailers located here only because FCP started as a HOPE VI project (Bush recently attempted to cut federal funding for these types of projects). Private companies should reevaluate their demand models to fit in urban markets. They would greatly prosper from this and make neighborhoods throughout the nation much stronger.

    It’s good that there will be retail but I’m hoping it is something that benefits and makes the community much more livable and not just another store selling knick-knacks. Downtown and the surrounding neighborhoods are still pretty barren when it comes to food and other necessary goods.
  • Looks like a solid project that fits well into the area and meets the needs of many would-be downtown residents. The only critique I could have is that it does not meet the sidewalk at any point, so it loses a bit of an urban feel. But it does engage the street level well, so that may not matter as much.
  • I would like to see a few more residential units there -but overall, I think it is good to keep building more mixed use developments to fill up all of the downtown neighborhoods. I wouldn't say downtown and its surrounding neighborhoods are barren when it comes to food. I live two miles from downtown in Garfield Park and pass three grocery stores on my way into downtown - Safeway at Raymond and Shelby, Buds in Fountain Square, and Marsh at Lockerbie Marketplace. There are a few other groceries downtown as well - NW near 10th and Indiana Avenue and the Kroger on 16th. I've got a hardware store in my neighborhood and there is one at Lockerbie Marketplace. There are also several CVS pharmacies, video stores, and everything on Mass Avenue and in Fountain Square. Circle Centre, Borders and TJMaxx add more options for shopping. I agree some type of Target would be nice. Maybe some day when the Market Square site finally gets developed.
  • Downtown needs more apartments! This is a small start. Maybe they could have added one more floor of apartments, but it's better than nothing.
  • Like the Idea of apartments, but is it really financially feasible to build a brand new building that contains only 11 apartments?, also when it says townhomes would these be for rent or for sale? I think it would be great to see a building with just a tad more character and at least 3 or 4 floors just to give it alittle more purpose, also, how are they dealing with parking for this project?
  • Matt: All of the units would be rentals. The project sits within an historic neighborhood, so the plans have gone through a series of changes designed to make sure it fits within the neighborhood. I'm not sure about parking. Anyone know?
  • This is off the top of my head from the IHPC meeting where they approved this, but I believe the parking is partially on-site (behind the building) and partially a deal with Red Cross across the street. Kevin at Urban Indy may know/remember better.
  • Tom, Advent, and Matt,

    Trust me. This building is as large as could get approval on the site as a mixed use development.
  • So is the 2 story building size a result of the developer, the neighborhood, or the IHPC?
  • Many things influence the size, design and development of an infill building like this one. In this case, the process is even further complicated by the building location within an IHPC district. The IHPC wanted street level residential on the side street, mandating town houses along the South. The developer wanted to reuse some of the existing improvements which somewhat limited the size. The neighborhood wanted to limit the size of the commercial development and the size of the project overall.

    The key to this development was its mixed use nature. That is what the Regional Center Guidelines encourage. East Street is heavily traveled, and it would be difficult to rent/sell residences fronting on it. It made sense for that frontage to be commercial in nature. Unfortunately, that commercial use is what caused most of the issues with the size of the project. In general, residents fear commercial and dense development. The IHPC, to its credit, listens to the fears of its residents.
  • The main tool of CANA was the Historic District Plan that called for single family homes at this location. They practically argued that the plan was law and had to be followed. Luckily, the IHPC only views those plans as guidelines and wisely noted that East St. represents a transitional zone between the residences to the east and the more intense uses to the west.
  • Although I understand that scale is very important, I also understand that a 2-story building really has no use in a CBD the size of Indy. What would one additional floor do that would be so terrible? I sometimes get very angered by the NIMBY's that live in this area of DT.
  • residents fear commercial and dense development

    ...and there you have the ingredients for making downtown Indy COMPLETELY undesirable for me as a residence. Give me BRx4 and I'll feel like I'm living in something resembling a real city.

    OK, rant over.

    I actually love this design, especially the green roof aspect, and the modernism.
  • Why is it so hard for urban developers to adhere to the number one rule of urban building: BUILD TO THE SIDEWALK.

    This project actually constructs a secondary sidewalk that is completely superfluous. They need to get rid of the mini lawns, and put a tree lawn in between the sidewalk and the street.

    It's a fine concept, but the execution can ruin it if they mess up the simple things.

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  1. I think the poster was being sarcastic and only posting or making fun of what is usually posted on here about anything being built in BR or d'town for that matter.

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  3. So disappointed in WIBC. This is the last straw to lose a good local morning program. I used to be able to rely on WIBC to give me good local information, news, weather and traffic on my 45 minute commute.Two incidents when I needed local, accurate information regarding severe weather were the first signs I could not now rely on WIBC. I work weekend 12 hour nights for a downtown hospital. This past winter when we had the worst snowfall in my 50 years of life, I came home on a Sunday morning, went to sleep (because I was to go back in Sunday night for another 12 hour shift), and woke up around 1 p.m. to a house with no electricity. I keep an old battery powered radio around and turned on WIBC to see what was going on with the winter storm and the roads and the power outage. Sigh. Only policital stuff. Not even a break in to update on the winter storm warning. The second weather incident occurred when I was driving home during a severe thunderstorm a few months ago. I had already gotten a call from my husband that a tornado warning was just southwest of where I had been. I turned to WIBC to find out what direction the storm was headed so I could figure out a route home, only to find Rush on the air, and again, no breaking away from this stupidity to give me information. Thank God for my phone, which gave me the warning that I was driving in an area where a tornado was seen. Thanks for nothing WIBC. Good luck to you, Steve! We need more of you and not the politics of hatred that WIBC wants to shove at us. Good thing I have Satellite radio.

  4. I read the retail roundup article and tried Burritos and Beers tonight. I'm glad I did, for the food was great. Fresh authentic Mexican food. Great seasoning on the carne asada. A must try!!! Thanks for sharing.

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