New Condos Emerge in St. Joseph

August 29, 2007
Back to TopCommentsE-mailPrint
Renaissance FlatsThe Renaissance Flats project is taking shape along St. Joseph Street between Delaware and Alabama streets just north of downtown. The 19-unit project, by Britton Buildings Design Inc., is just north of the Renaissance Tower in the St. Joseph Historic Neighborhood. All the flats are priced under $200,000. What do you think of the project? Anything else is going on in this area?
ADVERTISEMENT
  • I like it. Good use of the area.
  • It's nice to see development of this kind around the near downtown area. Every visit I take to Chicago's northside, it makes me realize that how appealling and timeless this style of building really is. Several story brownstones/townhomes build near to the street give the area an urban feel, but a neighborhood way of life. Good to see and I'd like to see it become the standard for many areas around Indy. This should also serve as a template for redevelopment for downtown areas that have become worn and need to be razed instead of repaired. Nice work.
  • i like it, very nice.
  • Density is good. Respecting the street grid is good. Creating streetlife is good. What a contrast to nearby Renaissance Place, which is essentially an '80's private suburban enclave lacking urban look and feel.
  • This is one of the best infill projects around! I really like it and think that this is on par with the project at the corner of 10th Street & Park Ave.
  • I like this too. Even more so, I like how close it is to downtown and OH MY GOSH!!! Under 200K. Amazing. Glad to see some people can do that.

    I need to find the website.
  • I've been searching for a website as well. This project has flown a bit under the radar. It's great stuff, and it would have been fought in Chatham Arch. Glad to see St Joseph seems to be a bit more receptive to new projects.
  • Joe Everhart is listing the condos, which start at $159,900. He has a page set up with a map and floorplans:

    http://www.jeverhart.com/listing_detail.asp?pID=335
  • Cory -- there's also a vacant apartment building in that area that looks like it might be getting renovated. I forget the name of the building -- it's written in the stone over the front door -- but it's on the east side of Delaware between St. Clair and 9th. There's a dump shoot on the north side of the building that's hard to see because Delaware is one-way north. When I saw it last week, it didn't look like there was much activity, so it's possible that it's been there for a long time and I just never noticed before.
  • CorrND: I saw that, too. It appears someone has been gutting the building, but yesterday I noticed a for-sale sign on it. I'll see what I can dig up.
  • This is what you're looking for Corr. Obviously the website needs work, including fixing the spelling of neighborhood

    http://www.sheltoncondos.com/

    This was talked about in Urban Times a few months ago, IIRC.
  • Ahhh, The Shelton....that's it!
  • I like it! I like it a lot... And what i like the MOST is that it is ACTUALLY being built! Not to mention, it's pretty damn affordable. As well as visually appealing. Thumbs up!
  • think that this is on par with the project at the corner of 10th Street & Park Ave
    Yeah, both have that depressing, non-descript professional buliding feel to them. Blech.
  • I like the design, it uses timeless materials, yet has a modern feel.
    I would love to see infill put in historic neighborhoods in Indy like this, as long as they dont destroy historical structures themselves.
    Damn, I wish I was still looking for space on the market!
  • CDC, I agree, Renaissance Place is an absolute embarrassment to downtown Indianapolis. I shake my head in disgust everytime I walk or drive by. How could've anyone thought it would be a good idea to plop a trashy suburban neighboorhood in the middle of a downtown??
  • DowntownGuy, memory is hazy after 25 years, but I believe that was thought to be the way to compete with similar new developments in Washington and Lawrence Twp. It was pro-forma and sales-driven: it's selling out there, so let's try it downtown. It was nonetheless perceived as somewhat risky at the time, but the hype helped it sell out in a matter of two or three days.

    It probably helped to change people's attitudes about living in the Mile Square, and as such we might today consider it a necessary evil. Fortunately, land is too valuable to build in that manner again, as we see in the development highlighted on this thread.

    That was the problem with 60's style urban renewal: city land was perceived as valueless because it was assembled and granted to developers for next to nothing. When a developer has to pay $500,000-$1M for an acre of land, the results are way different. Generally taller and more dense.
  • DowntownGuy..... are you serious? You really think Rennaisance Place is an absolute embarrassment to downtown Indy?!?!? GET REAL! What was there BEFORE Rennaisance Place was the embarrassment. This project has been held up around the world, certainly across this country, as an example of ruban redevelopment done the RIGHT WAY. The density of that neighborhood actually INCREASED after the redevelopment and has attracted (and continues to attract) additional development that never would have been considered had Rennaisance Place not happened. I think the neighborhood is absolutely WONDERFUL and I consider it more of a hidden treasure than an embarrassment. There is PLENTY of empty space sitting around downtown awaiting new, more dense development. This was not the place.
  • PLEASE DISREGARD MY LAST COMMENT, AS I COMPLETELY GOT MY NEIGHBORHOODS MIXED UP. I HAVE JUST TAKEN MY FOOT FROM MY MOUTH AND DONT NEED ANYONE FEEDING IT BACK TO ME, LOL.

    THANK YOU FOR IGNORING ME.

    ;)
  • i agree - i keep waiting for the day when renaissance place gets the ole' bulldozer. it's very weird to see a cul-de-sac'd suburban development right in the middle of the city. it looks like one of those illusions created for posters (ie - city street as church aisle, etc)...the people there keep up their properties, but it still looks ridiculous. whoever came up with that plan way back when should never have sat on a re-development council. i cringe at the thought of what used to be there - historic homes and buildings...sure, they were probably in crappy shape, but that's what renovations are for, not total destruction. wow...
  • The thing is Renaisance Place is a milestone in downtown revitalization. Before it there was nothing. When they announced it, people scoffed. Who would want to live downtown? It sold out in hours when put up for sale and showed that there was a market. Granted it is not urban, but it is what it is. We had to start somewhere. And look on the brightside, at some point in time, it can be bulldozed for a great master planned community in that area.
  • Marshall, just curious, what neighborhood did you get Rennaisance Place mixed up with?
  • renaisance place is a bad case of urban renewal, especially the several old victorian homes and old busnises it replaced.
    This took a massive chunk out of what we would have considered historic st.joseph. This area should be demolished and reconstructed to respect the st.joseph and chatham arch area. It does not belong downtown, and will probably in the future end up facing the wrecking ball, especially as land value rises.

Post a comment to this blog

COMMENTS POLICY
We reserve the right to remove any post that we feel is obscene, profane, vulgar, racist, sexually explicit, abusive, or hateful.
 
You are legally responsible for what you post and your anonymity is not guaranteed.
 
Posts that insult, defame, threaten, harass or abuse other readers or people mentioned in IBJ editorial content are also subject to removal. Please respect the privacy of individuals and refrain from posting personal information.
 
No solicitations, spamming or advertisements are allowed. Readers may post links to other informational websites that are relevant to the topic at hand, but please do not link to objectionable material.
 
We may remove messages that are unrelated to the topic, encourage illegal activity, use all capital letters or are unreadable.
 

Messages that are flagged by readers as objectionable will be reviewed and may or may not be removed. Please do not flag a post simply because you disagree with it.

Sponsored by
ADVERTISEMENT
  1. liek the rest of America

  2. These quaint,obsessed musings by the stalkers are certainly entertaining, but I'm trying to figure out what, if anything, all the yelping below has to do with Zak Brown.

  3. It's evident that Moffett was pushing the right buttons and corporate America is now trying to squash him. He just wanted to withdraw the free pilot services provided to the company by the pilots to try and put some pressure on a company that has not been interested in negotiating a contract in over 5 years. The company does not provide a contract because not having one has saved them a bundle of money. Shame on any Republic pilots not standing behind their union leader just because things are getting tough, can you not see such strategic moves by the company as putting the last union president in a corporate position and into THEIR pocket. Do you really believe the last union president is so appalled at the attempts by Moffett, do you not remember his oppositions to the company? We stood behind him. It has been proven over and over again for thousands of years without fail, a man cannot serve two masters. Anyone that believes people vote contrary to their paycheck and livelihood deserve to be taken advantage of, the recent statements by the former union president are laughable as he denounces the current union president from his new corporate position. Have you ever seen a drafted sports player score points for his previous team, it cannot be done, he is not on the pilots side anymore, he gets his money a different way now than you and I do, and he should not be allowed to remain on the seniority list. A drafted player brings strength, credibility, tactical knowledge, and a strategic advantage to his NEW team, he would not be drafted or paid were it otherwise. We are all forced to choose only one side to play for and support, not doing so has many references in life such as insider trading and shaving points, all illegal for good reason. This basic fact is why corporate moguls, scientist, and engineers all sign non-discloser agreements and non-compete clauses, as protection in case they are lured into switching sides as our former union president has done. No NFL coach ever drafted a player so that both teams could benefit and better understand each other, they are recruited to win the game against that former team, period. Likewise the company does not recruit the former union president by accident or mutual understanding, its strategy. Don't confuse playing the game with good sportsman-like conduct in support of common business and prosperity goals, with the requirement to only play for one side. Good men we all love and favor fall subject to this manipulation, often without their knowledge, and it is not a betrayal of their friendship to oppose them when they switch sides. If we did not love and trust them, they would not have been chosen and lured to the other side in the first place. The deception by the drafted player is not made at a conscious level, it's just human nature and it's all about money and power which corrupts our ability to be objective and loyal to two masters. This is why our court system created the defense attorney, and why our military created counter intelligence. Its strategy and its propaganda, and it works, and that's why the "powers to be" manipulate the chess pieces by sometimes changing their colors. Some players know they are being manipulated when their color is changed, but it brings them more money and power so they do not care. The rest have good intentions but do not even realize they are being manipulated. This tactic is also known by another name, Divide and Conquer. In battle sending an imperfect message with an imperfect team is obviously not ideal, but it's still being sent by YOUR team, your union leader, a leader that has common goals and common rewards with you, they are the best, because we have elected them to do a job for us. If you are not backing Moffett but believing the spin by those that have recently switched sides, you are taking food out of your own mouth. Showing unity and backing an imperfect situation still results in taking just as much ground, it's about unity and bargaining power. It's not necessary to wait around for that perfect attack because it will never come, the company will spin and attempt to destroy anyone that gets in their way. Ultimately it's not about any specific attack anyway, ASAP or whatever it makes no difference, it is and always has been only about power. If this company cared about safety it would not build pairings with 8 hour overnights, come on, are you that naive? Besides, do you really think Hoffa cares, no, he got a call from corporate America and was squeezed into denouncing Moffett. If he didn't they would spin the safety card against him and the Teamsters National with implication for truckers, future contracts, insurance rates etc...saying something like the Teamsters use safety as a bargaining chip, blah blah blah... Do you really think any pilot is going to do something unsafe for the contract, absolutely not, the only ones threatening safety here is the company with reduced rest, fatigue, and poverty. Do you not find it odd that Hoffa and the Teamsters are opposing a Teamster president publicly? Would the Teamsters National not normally support and work with one of their own? Why did they not sit down and help him strategize, correct any mistakes, and charge ahead? Would the Teamsters National not normally support and leverage a contract for all those pilots that have been paying Teamster dues, isn't that why we have all been paying Teamster dues in the first place? I sure haven't been paying dues so that the Teamsters National could come along and write this kind of an article undercutting our union leader and our unity. Whose side is the Teamsters National really on, it's obviously not the Republic pilots side.

  4. No matter what Moffatt does the company is going to spin it like he is the terrorist and brainwash people like you into believing it, wake up, back your players that are trying to change things for you and your livelihood. Where has Hoffa been for the last 6 years, except collecting our dues. Seriously, do you really think an FO going for upgrade, signed off by a checkairman ready for the upgrade, who then fails, is not even capable of returning as a First Officer.

  5. whoa!

ADVERTISEMENT