New Condos Emerge in St. Joseph

August 29, 2007
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Renaissance FlatsThe Renaissance Flats project is taking shape along St. Joseph Street between Delaware and Alabama streets just north of downtown. The 19-unit project, by Britton Buildings Design Inc., is just north of the Renaissance Tower in the St. Joseph Historic Neighborhood. All the flats are priced under $200,000. What do you think of the project? Anything else is going on in this area?
  • I like it. Good use of the area.
  • It's nice to see development of this kind around the near downtown area. Every visit I take to Chicago's northside, it makes me realize that how appealling and timeless this style of building really is. Several story brownstones/townhomes build near to the street give the area an urban feel, but a neighborhood way of life. Good to see and I'd like to see it become the standard for many areas around Indy. This should also serve as a template for redevelopment for downtown areas that have become worn and need to be razed instead of repaired. Nice work.
  • i like it, very nice.
  • Density is good. Respecting the street grid is good. Creating streetlife is good. What a contrast to nearby Renaissance Place, which is essentially an '80's private suburban enclave lacking urban look and feel.
  • This is one of the best infill projects around! I really like it and think that this is on par with the project at the corner of 10th Street & Park Ave.
  • I like this too. Even more so, I like how close it is to downtown and OH MY GOSH!!! Under 200K. Amazing. Glad to see some people can do that.

    I need to find the website.
  • I've been searching for a website as well. This project has flown a bit under the radar. It's great stuff, and it would have been fought in Chatham Arch. Glad to see St Joseph seems to be a bit more receptive to new projects.
  • Joe Everhart is listing the condos, which start at $159,900. He has a page set up with a map and floorplans:
  • Cory -- there's also a vacant apartment building in that area that looks like it might be getting renovated. I forget the name of the building -- it's written in the stone over the front door -- but it's on the east side of Delaware between St. Clair and 9th. There's a dump shoot on the north side of the building that's hard to see because Delaware is one-way north. When I saw it last week, it didn't look like there was much activity, so it's possible that it's been there for a long time and I just never noticed before.
  • CorrND: I saw that, too. It appears someone has been gutting the building, but yesterday I noticed a for-sale sign on it. I'll see what I can dig up.
  • This is what you're looking for Corr. Obviously the website needs work, including fixing the spelling of neighborhood

    This was talked about in Urban Times a few months ago, IIRC.
  • Ahhh, The Shelton....that's it!
  • I like it! I like it a lot... And what i like the MOST is that it is ACTUALLY being built! Not to mention, it's pretty damn affordable. As well as visually appealing. Thumbs up!
  • think that this is on par with the project at the corner of 10th Street & Park Ave
    Yeah, both have that depressing, non-descript professional buliding feel to them. Blech.
  • I like the design, it uses timeless materials, yet has a modern feel.
    I would love to see infill put in historic neighborhoods in Indy like this, as long as they dont destroy historical structures themselves.
    Damn, I wish I was still looking for space on the market!
  • CDC, I agree, Renaissance Place is an absolute embarrassment to downtown Indianapolis. I shake my head in disgust everytime I walk or drive by. How could've anyone thought it would be a good idea to plop a trashy suburban neighboorhood in the middle of a downtown??
  • DowntownGuy, memory is hazy after 25 years, but I believe that was thought to be the way to compete with similar new developments in Washington and Lawrence Twp. It was pro-forma and sales-driven: it's selling out there, so let's try it downtown. It was nonetheless perceived as somewhat risky at the time, but the hype helped it sell out in a matter of two or three days.

    It probably helped to change people's attitudes about living in the Mile Square, and as such we might today consider it a necessary evil. Fortunately, land is too valuable to build in that manner again, as we see in the development highlighted on this thread.

    That was the problem with 60's style urban renewal: city land was perceived as valueless because it was assembled and granted to developers for next to nothing. When a developer has to pay $500,000-$1M for an acre of land, the results are way different. Generally taller and more dense.
  • DowntownGuy..... are you serious? You really think Rennaisance Place is an absolute embarrassment to downtown Indy?!?!? GET REAL! What was there BEFORE Rennaisance Place was the embarrassment. This project has been held up around the world, certainly across this country, as an example of ruban redevelopment done the RIGHT WAY. The density of that neighborhood actually INCREASED after the redevelopment and has attracted (and continues to attract) additional development that never would have been considered had Rennaisance Place not happened. I think the neighborhood is absolutely WONDERFUL and I consider it more of a hidden treasure than an embarrassment. There is PLENTY of empty space sitting around downtown awaiting new, more dense development. This was not the place.


  • i agree - i keep waiting for the day when renaissance place gets the ole' bulldozer. it's very weird to see a cul-de-sac'd suburban development right in the middle of the city. it looks like one of those illusions created for posters (ie - city street as church aisle, etc)...the people there keep up their properties, but it still looks ridiculous. whoever came up with that plan way back when should never have sat on a re-development council. i cringe at the thought of what used to be there - historic homes and buildings...sure, they were probably in crappy shape, but that's what renovations are for, not total destruction. wow...
  • The thing is Renaisance Place is a milestone in downtown revitalization. Before it there was nothing. When they announced it, people scoffed. Who would want to live downtown? It sold out in hours when put up for sale and showed that there was a market. Granted it is not urban, but it is what it is. We had to start somewhere. And look on the brightside, at some point in time, it can be bulldozed for a great master planned community in that area.
  • Marshall, just curious, what neighborhood did you get Rennaisance Place mixed up with?
  • renaisance place is a bad case of urban renewal, especially the several old victorian homes and old busnises it replaced.
    This took a massive chunk out of what we would have considered historic st.joseph. This area should be demolished and reconstructed to respect the st.joseph and chatham arch area. It does not belong downtown, and will probably in the future end up facing the wrecking ball, especially as land value rises.

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  1. How much you wanna bet, that 70% of the jobs created there (after construction) are minimum wage? And Harvey is correct, the vast majority of residents in this project will drive to their jobs, and to think otherwise, is like Harvey says, a pipe dream. Someone working at a restaurant or retail store will not be able to afford living there. What ever happened to people who wanted to build buildings, paying for it themselves? Not a fan of these tax deals.

  2. Uh, no GeorgeP. The project is supposed to bring on 1,000 jobs and those people along with the people that will be living in the new residential will be driving to their jobs. The walkable stuff is a pipe dream. Besides, walkable is defined as having all daily necessities within 1/2 mile. That's not the case here. Never will be.

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  4. No, HarveyF, the exact opposite. Greater density and closeness to retail and everyday necessities reduces traffic. When one has to drive miles for necessities, all those cars are on the roads for many miles. When reasonable density is built, low rise in this case, in the middle of a thriving retail area, one has to drive far less, actually reducing the number of cars on the road.

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