New developments coming soon

February 6, 2008
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Public Hearing SignSeen one of these signs? There are plenty around town. Here are a few notable projects slated for Metropolitan Development Commission hearings:
  • Locally based Herman & Kittle Properties Inc. is proposing a four-story apartment building at the northwest corner of Meridian and 34th streets and renovation of 19-unit Vernon Apartments. The $8.3-million project would replace a vacant one-acre lot across the street from Shortridge Middle School. Plans call for 52 apartment units in a 58,000-square-foot building. The developers are seeking zoning variances for setbacks, open-space and parking. A hearing is scheduled for Feb. 20.
    UPDATE: The not-for-profit Julian Center is partnering with Herman & Kittle on the project, which will be called Thirty Four North.

  • A proposal for a new Kroger and gas station along 86th Street at the Monon Trail is scheduled for a final hearing at 1 p.m. today. Plans call for a 65,000-square-foot grocery store and fuel center on 5.8 acres that now feature single-story office buildings. The project, proposed by Elkhart Realty LLC, would include access to the Monon Trail and a rest stop. Despite opposition from some Nora residents, the planning department is recommending approval of the project.
  • The Indianapolis Colts plan to add a "training, weights and therapy" facility to their complex on West 56th Street. Additional parking and a storage building also are planned. The MDC is scheduled to approve the addition this afternoon.
    • are any of these up to the street?
    • Helen: I assume you are asking about the Meridian Street apartments. That project would be set back 34 feet from Meridian and 20 feet from 34th. Both setbacks are smaller than the minimum requirement.
    • Yeah, I bet the Kroger on 86th St will be built out to the street.

      I can think of a lot of things about these projects that are more important than their setbacks. Some people need to get over the fact that Indianapolis is never going to look like Manhattan.
    • There is a real need for affordable, high-density housing in the
      34th and Meridian area. They are currently re-habing the long
      vacant apartments at 34th and Central (Fairfield). Many of the
      long-time residents of that area are being displaced by Fall Creek
      Place and other high-end realty that is coming into that area.
    • Some people need to get over the fact that Indianapolis is never going to look like Manhattan.

      Most people are WAY over that, but they still don't want their city to look like Suburban hell. It's unattractive and piss poor use of land.

      I saw one of these signs in front of the McMansion that was built in Fountain Square.. I was hoping it was a proposal to tear that thing to the ground and build an appropriate home on the lot.
    • Plan for the Kroger is available on the DMD website. It does have a good pedestrian connection to the Monon Trail and the developer has provided a site for a bus shelter both of which are important urban elements.

      Regarding Meridian, the building setback is probably near the same as its northern neighbors. That stretch of Meridian has as its distinguishing feature mid-rise residential buildings with front lawns. Up to the street would be out of character for that important historic area.

      Unfortunately, the parking standards and livability space ratio (yard) requirements in our zoning ordinance can encourage piss poor use of land in urban redevelopment areas.
    • It's exciting to hear about the plans for 34th and Meridian. That vacant lot is an eyesore. Are the plans available to the public? I looked on their website, but didn't see anything about it.
    • Indianapolis doesn't NEED to look like Manhattan. Not may cities DO look like Manhattan. I, for one, am HAPPY that Indianapolis doesn't look like Manhattan. (How many times am I going to type Manhattan?)

      And as Dave said, why are we concerned about whether the Kroger or Colt's wieght facility butt up to the street?
    • Marshall, people are concerned about set backs because they want Indy to become more pedestrian friendly. Granted, west 56th Street where the Colts facility is isn't a pedestrian area, but too many other projects in neighborhoods are setback with parking lots in front, which is terrible for promoting the liveability of a neighborhood. Take for example the new Fresh Market at 54th and College, which will feature a parking lot in front of the store, instead of having the store front the sidewalk with parking in the rear.
    • Cory,

      Have you posted anything on the proposed mixed use project at 49th and College? I have heard bits and pieces, but no prelim designs or anything. Did I miss it?
    • I just looked at the plan for the Kroger. It's nice to see that even with suburban development, people at least give a thought to pedestrian access these days.

      In related news, the DMD needs to get a better scanner.
    • Indy will never be Manhattan, but like someone said it doesn't need to be a big suburb! I prefer a walkable city over an auto addicted one.
    • If you look at the Near North Development Corporation website and see the plan for the near North Meridian Section. That is supposed to include more upfront buildings to the streets. However, I apporached about the plans for past fall creek and he said that section of Meridian to 38th is considered more of a Boulevard or PArkway type style of street with trees in between the street and sidewalk and front yards with a minimal setback. He likened it to many residential streets in Washington DC. And I agree. Not all the buildings should be right up front to the street in this stretch. It really would be the only residential building with that buts up to the street or doesnt have a yard. I wonder though if it is going to be a mixed income unit, a nicer income unit or a lower income unit. Starting at 36th to 38th on both sides, the Grand Meridian, Meridian Shoreland, etc have all started to deteriorate.
    • While were on the topic of notable projects...I second rush4evers curiosity. Any news with 49th and College? I read somewhere that the initial plans have been overhauled.
    • cityfan, regarding Fresh by the site. Fresh Market will be way more urban than the Atlas it replaced.
    • Helen, nobody said it should be a big suburb. But some people seem to have it locked in their minds that setbacks=suburban, abutting the street=urban. That is a gross oversimplification.
    • I wish they'd put a new Kroger and gas station on 16th by Central. They have the perfect spot to smack marsh's very nice but a little to expensive O'Malias for the much needed downtown grocery store. And it seems that almost everyone that lives or works downtown wants this done.
    • PS

      I even hope its a big suburban style store w/ plenty of parking for people.
    • Eek. Ick.

      What's next, a strip mall on the opposite corner, featuring a check-cashing store, nail salon, cell-phone store, Chinese buffet and Don's Guns?
    • Dave, that is true. Many grand beautiful urban areas of our city have setbacks on both homes and old apartment buildings. I'm concerned that instead of a lovely yard, it would be a parking lot. Cityside, suburban stores with big parking lots belong in the suburbs, not the city.
    • Most anything @ 34th & Meridian would be welcomed. The office bldg. formerly there was abandoned back in '73 and torn down some 25 or so years later, if I'm not mistaken.

      Apts. north to 38th are basically good, solid structures- I live in one of them, a 1928 Stallard & Associates property, well-managed and one of several they own on both sides of Meridian up to 38th. Stallard deserves credit for toughing it out here in the Hood. The operative words are locked, gated parking and tenants constantly aware of what's around them. A lot of lead flies through the air down here.

      A big shame is the abandoned and rotting Witham Hospital @ 32nd. What a crime, w/ all the pinhead real estate salespeople in this city, that no one can do anything w/ that property.

      And 86th & the Monon area really needs a grocery store with a Marsh within a few hundred yards? Right! Like there's tons of extra grocery dollars to be spent and there aren't enough grocery stores nearby? Gimme a break. You wonder who in the hell makes these marketing decisions sometimes, don't you?
    • Let's get Real I live just on the other side of 38th in the 40 North on Meridian Condos. That rehab project has been very nice and glad to see more going on as the hood definition of that area is slowly starting to change and stay eastward. The Witham or Winona hospital or whatever it is, I agree needs to be redeveloped. It is a large enough property that I could atcually see a grocer on that lot! Where we are we either have to go to the 16th street Kroger, the Safeway at 56th and Illinois (Expensive) or all the way to LAfayette Square. Not ideal either. There needs to be something in the Middle!
    • Mike--there is a Lo-Bill (maybe re-branded as Marsh by now?) and an Aldi at 52nd and Keystone. The Fresh Market at 54th and College will be closer.
    • Yeah I'm anxiously awaiting the Fresh Market even though it will be a little more expensive. Didn't know about the Aldi. thanks.
    • Kudos to cityside... Thanks for mentioning the Kroger on 16th. I live about 3 blocks from it and shop there frequently. I just wish Kroger Corp would move forward with the plans I saw a while ago featuring a very nice remodel of the lot, with the addition of the lot to the west of it, and other additional structures, it would basically turn the whole block into a nice urban-style marketplace area.
    • Plans for the 34th & Meridian apartment building are available at the DMD offices. They now show a 10-foot setback from 34th Street and a 34-foot setback from Meridian. The parking would be to the west (behind the building), with the upper floors of the building overhanging some of the parking area. The four-story building facades would be predominantly brick, w/ a good share of EIFS and some limestone accents. The roof line is very similar to the building across 34th Street to the south. Unlike most apartment buildings along Meridian, the plans do not show the first-floor elevated above ground/street level. The proposal is scheduled to be heard by the MDC on Feb. 20th, at 1 p.m.
    • One wonders why these couldn't be available online on a consistent basis.

      DMD is generally head and shoulders above other city departments regarding accessibility of staff and up-to-date information available on its website.
    • Where do you go on the DMD site to see plans?
    • 34th and Meridian!!! Why??? This is across the street from the section 8 apartments on 34th and Meridian. What are they thinking???

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