New renderings of Allen Plaza

July 7, 2008
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Allen Plaza and Scotty’s
                              BrewhouseCheck out the latest renderings for the revamped Jefferson Plaza, which soon will be known as Allen Plaza. Local favorite Scotty's Brewhouse now has a signed lease for the first-floor space (See previous posts on Scotty's from May and December). At last check, the project at Pennsylvania Street and Virginia Avenue carried a pricetag of $12 millionAllen
                              Plaza and Scotty’s Brewhouse and included plans for 30 condos on the top five floors and office space on the second, third and fourth floors. The developer is locally based Allen Commercial Group. The target opening date for Scotty's is January. A previous post on Allen Plaza is here. (Click images for larger versions.)
  • Whoa! I didn't see that coming. Cory, any idea who the architect is?

    It's definitely more striking at first glance than the previous incarnation. I'm sure opinions will be all over the place on this one. I look forward to seeing what everyone's reactions are.
  • This reminds me of some of the urban development they have in the UK, from the facade to the outdoor seating. One question, aren't there trees there now? Do they have plans to green up the sidewalk a bit?
  • I don't love or hate the design, but I'm just happy that this is actually happening! If Penn Centre, Ralston Sq & that Legends development happens the SE quad is going to be so legit!
  • This will liven up that side of town hopefully. I'm seeing downtown comics leave its trail of closed down shops up and down pennsylvania street.

    I'd like to see some tenants move in and really bring back pennsylvania street.
  • I like this alot. The only thing is, if there are condos. They may have a hard time selling them if there are no balconies, and def. if there is no roof-top access.

    The look is very similiar to the new JW hotel with being wrapped in glass in different shapes and possibly colors. I think this will be a good addition to downtown. Many people will complain that it doesn't have the historical look of the other buildings, well Chicago and New York have also done a good job at mixing in buildings!

    I can't wait to be able to go to Scotty's downtown instead of my visits to B-town or the Northside.
  • Which image is correct the one posted June 21 or the one posted July 7? I like the July 7th better. Is the fountain coming back?
  • The large locust trees that surrounded the plaza were all cut down months ago and the fountain removed for construction access. I do not understand why the trees had to be cut down they were quite large.
  • WOW! Now this is a great re-use, I love it!! The news about Ralston Square on SSC make it even more exciting!!! And the fact that Penn Centre is still up and kicking, we may have one hell of an entertainment district yet :)
  • I really like this design. Kudos to Gregg Allen!
  • So which design is it? Interesting stuff, I like the glass colored panels and outdoor seating.
  • If Scotty's plans to open in Jan. they must have already started construction???
    I am a native stuck in Pennsylvania and can't drive down and take a look for myself.

    Nice Design. Will be a good addition to downtown. I don't think you would find this in Fishers.
  • Sharp, sharp, sharp! The windows are reminiscient of the Irwin Mortgage building along I-69 in Fishers. I really like this and think the new will look nice next to the very old Majestic Building. The outdoor seating area is second to none!
  • They have started already. They been working on this for a little while now, but I had no idea what exactly they were doing until now. It looks nice! One question, is there any idea of when this will be completed and/or when Scotty's will be opening?
  • Whoops, I see the date for Scotty's. Ok, what about the rest of the development?
  • The Architect is Browning Day Mullins Dierdorf
  • All I see with this Window ‘theme’. IS THE PARTRIDGE FAMILY BUS. Think harder or get a better Architect. Nothing better then a Downtown view thru a web of mullions. Get Reid of that Louvered top. It's been done so often they carry it at Lowes. Or are you using it to DATE your rehab. Present the Entry ‘FRONT DOOR' At street level. Other then that, it’s a third tier building. It has no Architectural merit. And can be removed from the landscape.
  • I like the scale of it, and I like the Mondrian-esque windows - but I wish they would do something to tie it into the building its attached to so that it doesn't look completely context free. Maybe add something that reflects the romanesque arches next door.
  • The fountain is not in the new plans so assume it will not be back. And what was once a public plaza/green space will now be permanent private seating for scotty's.
  • The existing building is ugly, this is definitely an improvement. More windows along Pennsylvannia St. would be nice. The plaza seems barrien without any trees or water feature. The plaza space needs some type of closure. Why did the city let them remove the trees? This maybe the only project in this area. The IBJ stated today that the Penn Center was not moving forward and officials from Allen had no comment on the project status. Thats too bad. That property is an eyesore. Its not maintained and the perimeter fence is in poor condition.
  • I always did like the Jefferson face on the side of the building though :)
  • It does look better than Allen's 76 acre development at County Line & Emerson Ave close to their headquarters. That cornfield still looks ugly .
  • Much improved over original building. This will be a nice addition to a revitalized area. Whether or not the architecture is great does not matter, that it is a huge improvement over what previously was there is what is important. Same as with the Broadbent/Zipper building. With Scotty's going in and the outdoor seating, the space utilization is great in my opinion as well. Hopefully there will be some trees going to help greeen and soften the area a little, but overall. A big thumbs up from me.
  • MikeW, the correct adjective is historic not historical. Second, event though the building doesn't have a historic look, it does relate very well to the historic buildings around it like the Majestic and Century buildings. That is what urban in-fill in an existing historic context is all about.
  • Seems better than the previous design.
    I like it, its modern but still incorporates some old details(like the stone) which reminds me off the stuff they are building in cities like Berlin or London.
    I think some arches on the ground floor would make it tie with the majestic building a bit more but either way it still looks good.
  • Finally! I think this is excellent. Some of, if not THE, best design we've seen in years. I agree with everyone else, some trees, landscaping and/or a fountain and it would be complete. If they spruce up the plaza a little, I think this will be one of the top outdoor destinations in the city.
  • Questionable design... The existing building is handsome. The glass, 'tower' looks ridiculous and amaturish. The plaza will not be a pleasent place to relax untill traffic on Washington and Penn is slowed and trees once again shade the area.

    The word, 'sharp' and the Irwin Mortgage building shouldn't be spoken in the same sentence. That has to be the ugliest building in the entire city.
  • Not too shabby, trees would be real nice tho...

    Question, what is going to be done to that drab blank wall on the east side of this building?
    To me it looks like an awful eyesore. Hopefully they can atleast add windows to it!

    So Penn Centre has in fact passed away?
  • What a beautiful building. We are finally getting some decent architecture in this city. Too bad the same can't be said for the Ralston Detention Center...I mean Ralston Square.
  • Erich,

    They're cutting windows into that blank wall already. Yeah!
  • To The Hoss the existing building is boring and dated, the only thing good thing about the building was the plaza space. The facade along Pennsyvannia St. is horrible totally turning its back to the streetscape. This city needs more unique and innovative architecture. There are only a handful of signature architectural projects. Most everything in Indianapolis is so typical and boring compared to some surrounding cities. The Irwin Mortgage building is not your typical Indianapolis suburban office building, thats why it is nice. People notice it and it is controversial. That's good. Indianpolis needs more projects like this. No new projects in this city ever get published in magazines as striking or signature structures. This needs to change. The Allen Plaza, new airport, hopefully Penn Centre and the new museums are at least a step in the right direction.
  • Bumber about Penn Centre...MAJOR BUMBER. However, I suspected that the market would only support either Ralston Sq or Penn Centre, not both. With Allen doing Allen Plaza it makes sense. Fortunately, the Penn Centre site is PRIME space and when the market condition improve, we will se something great there.
  • Isn't the Penn Centre sight the large parking lot facing Conseco Fieldhouse?
    Personally I think the design of Penn Centre was sort of.. bland. It was a wide structure that reminded me much of the IC.
    I would like to see the lots on the Penn Centre sight each developed in their best way. Not everything has to be a highrise.
  • Weak! Looks like a rip-off of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Pagoda building. Ladies and Gentlemen, turn off your .... desire for decent design!
  • BobUp -

    Perhaps it looks like the Pagoda since Allen Plaza and the Pagoda were both designed by the same architect.
  • So is Penn Centre really officially dead? Did I miss something, like an official announcement?
  • There was not an official announcement. This week's IBJ just called the project murky since none of the representatives from Greg Allen's office, the developer, responded to the status of the project.
  • Leave it to Greg Allen to rename the space for himself....will he be applying to rename the street out front Allen Blvd., too? That said, we are really opposed to the removal of the decorative fountain from the plaza out front and hate the idea of a loud outdoor music venue as we live nearby. We hope the Board of Zoning Appeals will quash that request for an exemption like a dead bug!
  • Interestingly, when I saw the top tower treatment, the Pagoda was the first thing that came to mind for me as well. Nothing wrong with that, IMO.

    I think the use of the offset window designs is a bit overdone and facile, but adds interest. We'll have to see what this looks like in real life. It will either be pretty cool or pretty tacky, one or the other.
  • Keep in mind we all thought the Broadbent Building would turn out out god awful.

    Fortunately we were wrong as it has turned out rather handome. :)
  • Lila-

    If you had the $$ to fund the renovation of an empty, soviet-era structure and turn it into useable space that will me a mixed-use project, are you saying that you wouldn't add your last name to it? Give the guy a break...Heck, if it was me, it would have my entire name on it.
  • Did the Broadbent Building magically transform last night? Because the last time I looked, it was still god awful.
  • Yeah, what's wrong with Allen Plaza as a name?

    Personally, I'm glad when a developer wants to put their name on a project. That means their own reputation is at stake on the building. I think this shows a lot confidence in the project by Greg Allen.
  • Remember, it's not just his name it's also the name of the company. Do you people whining about the Allen Plaza name also whine about the Chase tower or One American building?

    And I agree with the Urbanophile... I think it shows confidence that it will be something good.
  • I have no problem with Allen putting his name on the building. If I were a developer, I'd throw my last name on a couple of buildings as well.

    I do have a problem with the 1985 Miami Vice - Tina Turner album cover font he's chosen. IT'S SASSY!
  • sassy

  • I like this design.....Also I thought Penn Centre was a definate yes. Am I wrong? Also has anyone heard any new news concerning SODO?
  • Kathy, Penn Centre is deader than the cadavers coming to Circle Centre.
  • Now that they have discovered an old victorian facade perhaps this could change everything?

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  1. How much you wanna bet, that 70% of the jobs created there (after construction) are minimum wage? And Harvey is correct, the vast majority of residents in this project will drive to their jobs, and to think otherwise, is like Harvey says, a pipe dream. Someone working at a restaurant or retail store will not be able to afford living there. What ever happened to people who wanted to build buildings, paying for it themselves? Not a fan of these tax deals.

  2. Uh, no GeorgeP. The project is supposed to bring on 1,000 jobs and those people along with the people that will be living in the new residential will be driving to their jobs. The walkable stuff is a pipe dream. Besides, walkable is defined as having all daily necessities within 1/2 mile. That's not the case here. Never will be.

  3. Brad is on to something there. The merger of the Formula E and IndyCar Series would give IndyCar access to International markets and Formula E access the Indianapolis 500, not to mention some other events in the USA. Maybe after 2016 but before the new Dallara is rolled out for 2018. This give IndyCar two more seasons to run the DW12 and Formula E to get charged up, pun intended. Then shock the racing world, pun intended, but making the 101st Indianapolis 500 a stellar, groundbreaking event: The first all-electric Indy 500, and use that platform to promote the future of the sport.

  4. No, HarveyF, the exact opposite. Greater density and closeness to retail and everyday necessities reduces traffic. When one has to drive miles for necessities, all those cars are on the roads for many miles. When reasonable density is built, low rise in this case, in the middle of a thriving retail area, one has to drive far less, actually reducing the number of cars on the road.

  5. The Indy Star announced today the appointment of a new Beverage Reporter! So instead of insightful reports on Indy pro sports and Indiana college teams, you now get to read stories about the 432nd new brewery open or some obscure Hoosier winery winning a county fair blue ribbon. Yep, that's the coverage we Star readers crave. Not.