Is Indiana northern or southern?

April 7, 2010
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The new Republican governor of Virginia, Bob McDonnell, is coming under fire for declaring April as Confederate History Month after two Democratic predecessors skipped similar declarations.

Detractors are aghast that McDonnell didn’t cite slavery in the proclamation and accuse him of pandering to his conservative base. McDonnell says the point is to study the Confederacy and play up the state’s history as a tourism draw. (Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy during Civil War years.)

Many Hoosiers would recoil at McDonnell’s move. Others, though, might not, and the reactions would likely differ depending on where in Indiana one fielded the reaction.

Bruce Bigelow, a historical geographer at Butler University who is writing a paper for an academic journal on cultural sub-regions of Indiana, says the southern third of the state is still heavily influenced by immigration from the South during the 1800s.

Voters largely rejected Lincoln in 1860 and still prefer Blue Dogs like Brad Ellsworth and Baron Hill to more liberal Democrats, Bigelow notes. And with the exception of Bloomington and to some extent Evansville, it isn’t unheard of to see Confederate flags snapping in the wind or Confederate license plates.

“Southern Indiana is sort of an extension of Kentucky and Tennessee, culturally,” he says.

How does Bigelow define Southern culture? Not sympathetically. It’s politically and religiously conservative and anti-government. And, to the Vermont native, the Confederate flag represents “keeping blacks in their place.”

Central Indiana is a transition zone between southern Indiana hills and northern Indiana, he says, and the Indianapolis area is a region unto itself.

Bigelow, by the way, plans to identify a number of other pockets in his paper: Heavily Catholic South Bend, Quaker-leaning Richmond, Chicagoland, Amish and Mennonite northeast Indiana, and Fort Wayne are just a few.

The issue of the Confederate flag is complex and extends to lots of things besides slavery.

Surely you have thoughts. Please share.

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  • Southern Third?
    Surely I'm not the only person who was told upon moving to Indiana that "US 40 is the real Mason-Dixon line".
    • â??Virginia is for Loosersâ?? â?¦ who celebrate the Confederacy
      New state slogan:

      â??Virginia is for Loosersâ??
      â?¦ who celebrate the
      Confederacy,
      the pinnacle of
      anti-American
      fear, hate, greed, and torture.
    • Let our dead speak
      Indiana today is not the Indiana of the 1860's. Any student of history knows that Indiana paided it's share of blood and treasure on the battle fields to preserve the Union and free the slaves. Many an Hoosier boy died for the stars and stripes not the star and bars. Since then there has been a migration from the south that has given Indiana the appearance Southern attiudes. We may drawl abit and follow Nascar, but we need to remember the boys and men who left there homes all over Indiana to save our country.
    • Gov. Morton
      Indiana had a hard time in the Civil War. Many legislators refused to meet and pass a budget and this almost caused the state to shut down. The governor at the time took out personal loans from bankers to prop up the state government. This is one of the many reasons why Governor Morton has such a prominent statue near the capitol.

      Had Kentucky seceded, maybe Indiana would have been split up like Virginia and West Virginia or 1/3 of the state would have died in gorilla warfare like in Missouri.

      Let's just use this proclamation from Virginia to remember that a strong federal government is very important but it is up to the states to implement national policies.
    • Historical Characterization
      Numerous historical analyses of the topic have characterized Indiana as "the northern most, southern state." Im my opinion there are 3 distict cultural areas, the southern, central and northern section of Indiana. The spheres of influence are also different.
      • real reason for war
        slavery was not initially an issue in the war. it wasn't till later in the war that lincoln made it so. it was about states rights and the oppression of the federal government. sound familiar?
        • Shelby County Native
          I was told growing up that people in Fairland IN succeeded from the Union during the Civil War and that many people in Central IN were indeed Southern supporters.
        • Copperheads
          cop·per·head - define:

          2. supporter of South during Civil War: somebody living north of the Mason-Dixon Line who sympathized with the South during the Civil War ( informal )

          IN legislature didn't meet because there was real fear the southern IN copperheads would vote to secede - Civil War was about state's rights vs. the central government - read "The Real Lincoln" and see for yourself - things today are not that much different as people from IN tend to live their lives and stay in the state more than other states do

        • Diverse state
          In my opinion, Indiana is a very diverse state with a few distinct areas. Southern Indiana, especially in the Louisville metro area and Evansville area, is much more Southern than the rest of the state. Indianapolis has a distinct mix of the two, similar to Cincinnati. Northern Indiana (Ft. Wayne, Chicagoland, South Bend, etc) is much more northern. Dialects up there are a 180 from the southern portion of the state. Indiana has a uniquely diverse number of cultures and dialects.
        • Well...
          How much time has Mr. Bigelow spent in each of these "pocket cultures"? I wonder if this is rather like Kipling who was going to write a book about India until he had been there 2 years and realized he knew very little about the country and it's people. I grew up near Vincennes. I never saw a Confederate flag (other than pictures in books)until after I "left home". But then in that area, we drew our heritage from much earlier. Vincennes dates from 1730/31. We do have southern foods, mannerisms and some southern dialect. (Much of our pure dialects have been lost through out the country with our children's early exposure to television.)
          • Oh really?
            Slavery an initially an issue in the Civil War? Anyone who believes that slavery was not a prime issue leading up to the Civil War needs to refresh themselves on the Missouri Compromise, the work of Henry Clay, etc. It was a divisive issue in the drafting of the Constitution. It impacted the admission of Texas, California and other states to the Union. It prompted brawls in the Congress. It was a constant source of tension between the plantation south and the more industrial, urban north.
          • Elitist Snob
            The characterization by the Butler historian is highly insulting. He seems to automatically associate Southern with Racist. Yes, there are some homes and vehicles in this area that fly the confederate flag - does that automatically mean those people are anti-black? The flag could represent pride in or recognition of any of a number of aspects of southern culture. Or it could be something more negative. But a broad generalization is inappropriate and very unacademic.

            I don't own a confederate flag but I do have a southern heritage. My ancestors were slave owners in Virginia in the 1700s and 1800s. I am neither proud of nor embarrased by this fact because it was not me and I did not have control over those people who lived before me. I am merely interested in it as part of my family history.

            In Corydon where I live, the Klan wanted to come to town for a rally. The local community organized an effective counter-demonstration that sewed the seeds for an ongoing diversity festival called World on the Square.

            By contrast, Central Indiana has had its share of Klan history that the historian's perspective seems to ignore.
          • UNION
            Indiana is as Union as it gets; no North and no South. Governor Morton made Indiana the first state to commission President Lincoln its troops for the war. The Confederacy is nothing and should not be recognized. It was a failed attempt to sever the union and caused more casualties than any other US war. A Republic is made of States and a Union and any attempt by a State or States to secede from the Union is treason and will be dealt with accordingly. The Texas' legislature may want to revisit its veiled claim of atonomy to secede. And, Virginia may want to redue one of their two statues placed in the US Capital Building. Each State is afforded the luxury to place two statutes in the US Capital Building. Virginia shamefully placed as one of theirs, Jefferson Davis.
            • "Facts are Stubborn Things"
              Wow! What a shotgun blast! How can such a simple question elicit such a wide range of opinion, from faulty history to outright bitterness? Is this supposed to refer to current opinions or a referendum on the causes of the War to Prevent Southern Independence?
              To imply that personal opinion is somehow dependant on latitude is ridiculous no matter how far your basketball team progressed in the NCAA tournament and certainly Southern migration to Northern states faded a generation ago, along with manufacturing jobs. I would suggest that stereotypical â??Southernâ?? feelings are as widespread among Hoosiers with New England roots as with those whose ancestors crossed â??the Riverâ??.
              To espouse that â??Indiana is as Union as it getsâ?? is ludicrous. In fact Republican (you know! The party that perpetrated the War) Governor Morton was fearful that the Democrat controlled Indiana legislature would not only refuse to appropriate the necessary funds to make war but would consider secession themselves! HE refused to call the peopleâ??s elected representatives to secession to consider the biggest question of the age! It would be a real stretch to say that Indiana would have joined the Southern Confederacy but they along with Illinois (who had an equally heavy handed Governor) and possibly Wisconsin very likely would have formed their own â??Northwest Confederacyâ??. Indiana did eventually provide thousands of troops to the â??unionâ?? cause but thousands more resisted the federal war effort and the unconstitutional acts of the Lincoln administration, which continued it. Even Lincoln himself was convinced that he would be a one term President due to opposition to the War.
              The Constitutional textbook in use at the nationâ??s ONLY institute of higher learning (the United States Military Academy) was Rawls View of the Constitution, which clearly states that the sovereign states had a constitutional right to secede. The Commonwealth of Virginia received a written guarantee of the right to secede as a requirement of its approval of the Constitution, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts proposed it from opposition to the War of 1812, Congressional candidate A. Lincoln referred to it as â??the sacred right of withdrawalâ?? and Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, Salmon P. Chase (former Lincoln cabinet member) wrote to Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton that â??secession is not rebellion.â?? The Southern states had no desire to threaten the â??unionâ?? (Jefferson Davis said, â??we only want to be left alone.â??). They just didnâ??t want to be a part of it!
              God bless Governor McDonnell who sees the value of the lessons of history and Jefferson Davis who saw that dangers of the overpowering growth of the federal government!
            • "Our Southern Heritage"
              Outmanned, out-gunned, and out-supplied - but never out-fought. The Confederate soldiers wrote a proud chapter in this nation's history for independence, toughness, bravery, patriotism, and Heritage of Honor. Us Hoosiers, who have Confederate ancestry, should be proud of them. Mr. Ritchie has some very good points. I fly my Confederate Battle Flag with pride every day, and I live on the southside of Indy.I have never had any problem with anyone. They might ask me about my flag, and I tell them the real truth of the history of the Confederate soldier and their flag.

              Deo Vindice!!!!
            • Lest We Forget
              Messers. Ritchie and Blevins bring out some excellent points. One of the issues that has been left out of Confederate History Month by the main stream media is the honorable and brave service given to the Confederacy by Black soldiers. It seems that certain groups and sports associations like to ignore the fact that tens of thousands of blacks marched into battle along with their white, brown, red, and yellow brethren. Twenty-six Black Confederate soldiers are buried in Crown Hill Cemetery along with whites and other minorities. All 1,616 of these brave souls perished of starvation, disease, and murder by Union troops at Camp Morton in the middle of Indianapolis. My Revolutionary War ancestors lived in Virginia and I'm proud of their service to the Commonwealth. I have ancestors from Missouri and Arkansas that served the Confederate States of America in the Second War for Independence. I am in situations where I regularly display the Confederate Battle Flag in public places. To date, I have not had one negative response from anyone concerning it's usage. Those of us that are decendants from those noble Southrons have see our flags hijacked by those who have no understanding of the facts of the arguments leading to the States leaving the Union to form their own country. They cannot take our heritage. Anyone who thinks Confederate History Month is for white racists needs to do a more in-depth study of the subject. My hat is off to Governor McDonnell for his declaration and the Governor Perdue of Georgia for codifying Confederate History Month as law. I'm proud of my Heritage and the Heritage and ALL of those that served the Confederacy
            • Union
              You need to study a little before you comment on something that you don't know the whole truth of.
              Governor Morton called for federal troops to keep the legislation from voting to succeed and forced Indiana to stay with the Union. If you would study the Decloatipn of Independance and the Law of Nations which was the bases for the Constitution. And even Ben Franklin when ask after the Constitution was signed by a news paper,
              "What have you given us Mr. Franklin", and he replyed,
              "A "Republic" if you can keep it." And even Mr. Lincoln in his inogeral address stated," He would do nothing about slavery." The Civil War was started because a new President wouldn't talk with deligates from South Carolina before war broke out. It was over Taxes that were unfair for the south and all agricultural areas. The right to succession was used several times before the Civil War and it was a tool to get negotiations started or they would leave the Union of States. So please before you speak know the facts. I had several ancesters on both sides of the war several killed and a lot imprisoed at war camps on both sides that we know were filthy and disease filled. This War could have been avoided by negotiation.
              • UNION
                Altough you all claim, none of the replies have pointed to one falsity in the previous message. The four of you have merely pointed out agitation that was prevalent throughtout the entire union and including Indiana's legislature. While there was resistence here and there was an attempted rebellion, those like govenror McDonnell and all of our ancestors in support of the rebellion are and were wrong. Sorry. The sad part, Mr. Franklin, is we did keep the union. Of course, Lincoln was for the preservation of the union before the end of slavery - he said just that. And, the next time some extremist want to cry foul because the majority elected a progressive president that presents policy and legislation to cure the problems of our past and provide social republicanism, you, nor your ansestors, nor mighty Virginia get to whine and take with you a part of the Union. Go to the polls like those that disagree with you, and if you truly want to make a difference, stop the retoric and offer sound policy. Or, vote with your feet. Toodles. The question was - Is Indiana Northern or Southern? I take pride in being a Hoosier because thanks to the foresight, bravery, and freedom of those Hoosiers before me who stood up for the Union, including Governor Morton, I never have to make that distinction.
              • who cares?
                since Indiana is the land of Corn and home of many, many sports, we should not worry about semantics about being north or south but a central point for many sports events.
              • McDonnell's Shame
                Displaying the confederate flag is far too offensive to justify - regardless of one's benign intentions. It's all about intent vs. effect. The intent may be benign to celebrate southern history or culture but the effect those images have on so many Black Americans is intolerable.

                What Virginia's governor did is shameful, especially with 20% of the population being Black. "Southern History Month" (with full disclosure of the slavery history) would have been more appropriate.
              • UNION
                Mr. Baker,
                Unfortunately, as is usually the case with these Internet forums discourse invariably resorts to emotions rather than an exchange of factual information. Your position seems to be based more on some type of animosity toward the Commonwealth of Virginia than a grasp of events and process. I simply donâ??t have time to help resolve your issues but wish you well with it.
                As an American with degrees in both the history of our government and its governing documents, I value the U.S. Constitution above all other documents for without it there is no basis for our existence. Itâ??s adoption and amendment is well documented. When dissatisfaction or confliction is experienced by the majority the Founding Fathers provided a procedure for amendment which has been used to a successful end twenty-seven times. It is that process that ended slavery with the 13th Amendment and gave the sovereign states the right to secede with the 10th. It cannot be â??trumpedâ?? by Executive Order or disregarded by any branch of government. In my humble opinion, ANY abuse of that process weakens our â??voluntaryâ?? union. While a subsequent Supreme Court ruling, Texas vs. White in 1869 declared that secession was not Constitutional, at the time of the secession of the Southern states in 1861, secession was legal and thus a war to end it unconstitutional. This was the unanimous advise of EVERY ONE of Mr. Lincolnâ??s cabinet, including Caleb Smith of Indiana. It was also the opinion of Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase of Ohio when he advised Edwin M. Stanton in July 1867. As a result President Jefferson Davis was released after two years of incarceration without trial and NO Confederate leader, either civil or military was EVER tried for his role in the War for Southern Independence.
                I wish you well as your study continues.
              • indy
                Indiana is a generous mix of the US. That is part of why it's called the crossroads.
              • Indiana Northern or Southern
                I remind the gentleman from Vermont that "conservative" does not equal "racist". Surely there are racists in Indiana just as there are religious bigots here and everywhere else. Should we assume all Vermonters are "socialists" like Bernie Sanders?
              • UNION
                Mr. Ritchie and others in support of the Confederacy,

                If you are so in support of the Southern cause and your claim of its legality then I charge you to compel Gov. McDonnell to make the Month of May British history month and to fly your union jack and bow to your King George. Cry of the treachery that patriots brought to the King's loyalty. A quiet impressive display of faction and treason that divided an empire. While the Constitution sits before me and there is no article clause or section that permitted the South to defect, you can chew on the laws written neatly within a State or a few States as the King chewed only on his law while extended none of it to the colonies. The South does not have that argument, it lost, Britian lost, and I thought we all moved on. To think that there are people still in support of the Southern cause is terrifying and most of all sad. But, if we are to cheer all those causes of failed conquest then again I know of several other nations, monarchs, and tyrants that you can add to your loser celebration. Maintain some form of neutrality and realize that there is no confederacy and that it was a terrible idea. My month May ... I look forward to watching a couple cars race! Oh, and by the way, thank you for your well wishes in my studies. I will a least admit there is a big thick book somewhere on things I don't know. I wish you all well and GBA!
              • Mr. Baker
                Here is a copy of the first part of the original Consttution ratification by the Commonwealth of Virginia:

                We the Delegates of the People of Virginia duly elected in pursuance of a recommendation from the General Assembly and now met in Convention having fully and freely investigated and discussed the proceedings of the Federal Convention and being prepared as well as the most mature deliberation hath enabled us to decide thereon Do in the name and in behalf of the People of Virginia declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will: that therefore no right of any denomination can be cancelled abridged restrained or modified by the Congress by the Senate or House of Representatives acting in any Capacity by the President or any Department or Officer of the United States except in those instances in which power is given by the Constitution for those purposes: & that among other essential rights the liberty of Conscience and of the Press cannot be cancelled abridged restrained or modified by any authority of the United States. With these impressions with a solemn appeal to the Searcher of hearts for the purity of our intentions and under the conviction that whatsoever imperfections may exist in the Constitution ought rather to be examined in the mode prescribed therein than to bring the Union into danger by a delay with a hope of obtaining Amendments previous to the Ratification, We the said Delegates in the name and in behalf of the People of Virginia do by these presents assent to and ratify the Constitution recommended on the seventeenth day of September one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven by the Federal Convention for the Government of the United States hereby announcing to all those whom it may concern that the said Constitution is binding upon the said People according to an authentic Copy hereto annexed in the Words following; .

                Done in Convention this twenty Sixth day of June one thousand seven hundred and eighty eight.

                Note, the language beginning "...powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States...". You will clearly see the condition of ratification shows the peoples' right to withdraw. Also, this condition was approved by the other states upon Virginia's joining the United States (notice it is not "The United States").

                As usual, while I see the usual arrogance of people like you I also see a lack of hard facts to back up anything you state. Perhaps I can put things into terms you can understand as they apply today. In a nutshell we want arrogant people like you (who THINK you know it all) who live in Washington (and its surrounding areas) to mind your own business and stop trying to run our lives (just like in 1861). I hope this clarifies things for you. Have a nice day.
              • Mr. Baker
                Sir, you wrote that you were terrified and saddened that people still support the Southern Cause. What I find terrifying is your lack of understanding of U.S. History. You rambled on about King George and the American Revolution. Then you suggest we should designate May as British History Month. I'm a bit confused. The War to Prevent Southern Independence was no different than the American Revolution. The only difference was in the outcome. Your calling Southerners traitors is no different than what King George called the colonists that revolted against British rule. Abe Lincoln was as much a tyrant as King George. Actually, he was probably a worse tyrant than King George. If you can't see how this country changed for the worse in 1865, then there is no help for you. This big, centralized, over-reaching monstrosity we call the Federal Government has its roots in the Lincoln Administration. Our individual rights and our state rights have been steadily eroding since April of 1865. While you're reading the Constitution, you should take some time and read what the framers of the Constitution had to say. What you will find is that they disagree with your opinion completely.

                Deo Vindice!
              • UNION
                Mr. Griggs and Mr. Price:

                Thank you for your comments. A couple points. Once again as I admitted before, I don't "know it all," I only know that I disagree with you and that your support of the confederacy is, in my opinion, pathetic. Comments are brief editorials that give argument, in my case, to the United States of America and the idea of e Pluribus Unum as God has vindicated time and again; most prominently against the failed Confederacies organized by Virginia. If you recall their was an Articles of Confederation that failed miserably for lack of a simple organized central government. A central government did not have to maintain all power but enough to regulate interstate commerce, perserve fundemental and substantive rights, raise money, defend, and provide for the general welfare. The States and the People of the States entered into the greatest social contract ever known. Esentially the People through the soverign States reliquinshed certain power in exchange for positive protection. No State including Virginia maintained a renege option. The people did, but that required oppression. They instead agreed to participate in the social contract and to uphold their end of the bargain. What happened in 1861 had nothing to do with the denial of rights to States or People, but instead had everything to do with loosing an election. No where does it state that if you loose an election a State or a person may take with it a piece of the Union. To compare Lincoln to King George is again, in my opinion, pathetic, and a mockery on the good of this great nation. Lincoln did not tax without representation. The confederate states were a part of the 1860 election. They held seats in Washington. There is no comparison other than to you two and others who continue to act as if the fight continues. A grandfather once said that this is a war that we will constantly have to win and I didn't realize what he meant until I read your comments. I am sorry that you read my support for the United States as arrogance, but, in the words of an American, I too "feel in the depths of my soul that it is the highest, most sacred, and most irreversible part of my obligation to preserve the union of these states, although it may cost me my life." Andrew Jackson.

                GBA
              • Mr. Baker
                Sir, once again, you seem to misunderstand U.S. history. As this country was set-up under the Constitution, the States were co-equal with the Federal government. It is true the States did give up some of their sovereignty to the Federal government. However, the Constitution spells out exactly what powers the Federal government possesses. All other powers are reserved to the States or the people. Prior to the War, it was a given that States had the right to secede. The Southern States weren't the first to threaten secession. The New England States threatened to secede in 1812 if Louisiana was admitted as a state. In 1814, they threatened to secede again because of the War of 1812. They actually wanted to secede and rejoin with Great Britain. Prior to the outbreak of the War of Northern Aggression, the Republican party was the political party that advocated secession from the Southern States. When the first Southern States seceded, the Republicans were happy to see them go. Lincoln went against his party on this issue. Why? Because if the South seceded, the Federal government was bankrupt. The South provided approximately 70% of all revenues coming into the federal government. Yet, the South only received about 30% of that money back. The majority of "internal improvements" were in Northern states. The South felt they were getting the short end of the stick. Lincoln also had another motive. Keep in mind, Lincoln had been a Whig prior to that party dissolving. One of the main platforms of the Whig party was empire building. Lincoln knew his dreams of building an American Empire were endangered if the South left the Union. Lincoln needed the revenue from King Cotton to build his empire.

                Now, I don't believe anybody has questioned your patriotism or love of the United States. I dare say that all of the other posters are just as ardent patriots as you. I am a veteran of The United States Marine Corps. I swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. In doing that, I see what harm Lincoln and the Radical Republicans caused this country. Lincoln set us on the road to socialism. If you weren't aware, Karl Marx was a big admirer of Lincoln. My defense of my Confederate ancestors and of the Confederate States of America is perfectly in line with defending the Constitution. If you truly understand how our country was formed, then you will understand the above statement.
              • Proud of my Southern Indiana Heritage
                I was born in Southern Indiana,I have lived in Southern Indiana all my life and if I had been alive around 1860 I would have been a Southern/Confederate sympathizer and would have supported the Confederate cause and Would have been anti Lincoln and anti Union. I consider myself Southern and am proud of it , my ancestors were from North Carolina and Kentucky and came up to Indiana around 1820 and I still feel as though my blood is Southern true!! I think that most Southern Hoosiers feel that Indiana has more ties to the rural South than the corrupt industrial, materialistic federal Yankee North and I wish the Confederacy would have won.
              • Southern Indiana
                Fred,

                I am from Evansville. Believe it or not not it is in Indiana. Residents are seen flying the confederate banner in our area. It is not hate but heritage. Many of us have southern ancestors and resent northern attitudes of racism placed on us. The union won. However, don't be so naive to believe the entire state had union sentiment.
              • Diverse Indiana
                I see as many confederate flags in southern Indiana as I do in the south. I live in southern Indiana. Northern Iniana and the notheastern part of the USA seem like an alien world. Dixie is more like home to me.
              • Depents if your Family Really
                I Know Most of my Family lives in the Ky,VA,NC,SC,TN.... So southern backed. I Love that Place with a Passion. To the Mountains to the Sabal Palmettos of SC. Really, Am More southern than the Main Family in Central Indiana.
              • Kipling is Wrong Example
                Rudyard Kipling was born in Bombay, India and lived his first six years there. From 1871 to 1882 he was in England, mainly in foster care and boarding schools. From 1882 to 1889 he lived in India again, where he became a widely acclaimed and extremely productive writer. He spoke Hindia as his first language, and had a deep knowledge and love of India.
              • Central indiana
                I live in central indiana and basically it's a big mix of people here! We do speak with a little southern drawl and I have seen confederate flags around here too. The farther you get into indiana, the more southern it gets! Where I'm from, we have a big influence from Kentucky so my family has a particular southern drawl.
              • 40 as the Mason-Dixon Line
                I live extremely close to U.S. 40, and it really is the Mason-Dixon Line. Where I live, many people are so conservative that the stereotype "redneck" fits them better than it does the majority of Southerners!
              • Northern Indiana
                First of all Northern Indiana is Northern Indiana not Chicagoland which was coined only after Chicago realized the increase in revenue they would receive by including folks like us. Second it seems to be that Northern Indiana is in a noise cancellation area when it comes to any news of the area. Surviving under the big reaching arms of Chicago I know more about Illinois than I should have learned about my own state. I am sure that was a political ploy as we don't even live under the same hour as the rest of the state of Indiana due to the time zone infringement. I am from the southern most area of Northern Indiana and we were heavily influenced by the south. Most of us have a drawl that is reflective to those that live in Kentucky. We have been step children to Chicago and illegitimate children to most Indiana folk.

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