An auction date has been set for three
parcels near Meridian and 16th streets that housed the Payton Wells car dealership. The properties are 2.5 acres with a 50,000-square-foot
building, 1.5 acres with a 5,000-square-foot building and a .4-acre parking lot. (Click for a larger image of the map.) Colliers
Turley Martin Tucker plans to sell the properties separately at auction on April 3. The dealership closed in early 2007 and
has been up for sale for several months. What would you like to see done with these properties?
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Welcome to Property Lines, Indy's source for neighborhood real estate news. Your host is Scott Olson, IBJ's real estate beat
reporter. Edited by Cory Schouten.
An auction date has been set for three
parcels near Meridian and 16th streets that housed the Payton Wells car dealership. The properties are 2.5 acres with a 50,000-square-foot
building, 1.5 acres with a 5,000-square-foot building and a .4-acre parking lot. (Click for a larger image of the map.) Colliers
Turley Martin Tucker plans to sell the properties separately at auction on April 3. The dealership closed in early 2007 and
has been up for sale for several months. What would you like to see done with these properties?
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These quaint,obsessed musings by the stalkers are certainly entertaining, but I'm trying to figure out what, if anything, all the yelping below has to do with Zak Brown.
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It's evident that Moffett was pushing the right buttons and corporate America is now trying to squash him. He just wanted to withdraw the free pilot services provided to the company by the pilots to try and put some pressure on a company that has not been interested in negotiating a contract in over 5 years. The company does not provide a contract because not having one has saved them a bundle of money. Shame on any Republic pilots not standing behind their union leader just because things are getting tough, can you not see such strategic moves by the company as putting the last union president in a corporate position and into THEIR pocket. Do you really believe the last union president is so appalled at the attempts by Moffett, do you not remember his oppositions to the company? We stood behind him. It has been proven over and over again for thousands of years without fail, a man cannot serve two masters. Anyone that believes people vote contrary to their paycheck and livelihood deserve to be taken advantage of, the recent statements by the former union president are laughable as he denounces the current union president from his new corporate position. Have you ever seen a drafted sports player score points for his previous team, it cannot be done, he is not on the pilots side anymore, he gets his money a different way now than you and I do, and he should not be allowed to remain on the seniority list. A drafted player brings strength, credibility, tactical knowledge, and a strategic advantage to his NEW team, he would not be drafted or paid were it otherwise. We are all forced to choose only one side to play for and support, not doing so has many references in life such as insider trading and shaving points, all illegal for good reason. This basic fact is why corporate moguls, scientist, and engineers all sign non-discloser agreements and non-compete clauses, as protection in case they are lured into switching sides as our former union president has done. No NFL coach ever drafted a player so that both teams could benefit and better understand each other, they are recruited to win the game against that former team, period. Likewise the company does not recruit the former union president by accident or mutual understanding, its strategy. Don't confuse playing the game with good sportsman-like conduct in support of common business and prosperity goals, with the requirement to only play for one side. Good men we all love and favor fall subject to this manipulation, often without their knowledge, and it is not a betrayal of their friendship to oppose them when they switch sides. If we did not love and trust them, they would not have been chosen and lured to the other side in the first place. The deception by the drafted player is not made at a conscious level, it's just human nature and it's all about money and power which corrupts our ability to be objective and loyal to two masters. This is why our court system created the defense attorney, and why our military created counter intelligence. Its strategy and its propaganda, and it works, and that's why the "powers to be" manipulate the chess pieces by sometimes changing their colors. Some players know they are being manipulated when their color is changed, but it brings them more money and power so they do not care. The rest have good intentions but do not even realize they are being manipulated. This tactic is also known by another name, Divide and Conquer. In battle sending an imperfect message with an imperfect team is obviously not ideal, but it's still being sent by YOUR team, your union leader, a leader that has common goals and common rewards with you, they are the best, because we have elected them to do a job for us. If you are not backing Moffett but believing the spin by those that have recently switched sides, you are taking food out of your own mouth. Showing unity and backing an imperfect situation still results in taking just as much ground, it's about unity and bargaining power. It's not necessary to wait around for that perfect attack because it will never come, the company will spin and attempt to destroy anyone that gets in their way. Ultimately it's not about any specific attack anyway, ASAP or whatever it makes no difference, it is and always has been only about power. If this company cared about safety it would not build pairings with 8 hour overnights, come on, are you that naive? Besides, do you really think Hoffa cares, no, he got a call from corporate America and was squeezed into denouncing Moffett. If he didn't they would spin the safety card against him and the Teamsters National with implication for truckers, future contracts, insurance rates etc...saying something like the Teamsters use safety as a bargaining chip, blah blah blah... Do you really think any pilot is going to do something unsafe for the contract, absolutely not, the only ones threatening safety here is the company with reduced rest, fatigue, and poverty. Do you not find it odd that Hoffa and the Teamsters are opposing a Teamster president publicly? Would the Teamsters National not normally support and work with one of their own? Why did they not sit down and help him strategize, correct any mistakes, and charge ahead? Would the Teamsters National not normally support and leverage a contract for all those pilots that have been paying Teamster dues, isn't that why we have all been paying Teamster dues in the first place? I sure haven't been paying dues so that the Teamsters National could come along and write this kind of an article undercutting our union leader and our unity. Whose side is the Teamsters National really on, it's obviously not the Republic pilots side.
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No matter what Moffatt does the company is going to spin it like he is the terrorist and brainwash people like you into believing it, wake up, back your players that are trying to change things for you and your livelihood. Where has Hoffa been for the last 6 years, except collecting our dues. Seriously, do you really think an FO going for upgrade, signed off by a checkairman ready for the upgrade, who then fails, is not even capable of returning as a First Officer.
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Between these lots, the WFYI, and WXIN buildings, this could completely change the prospects of that corridor.
As a nearby resident, BRING IT ON! And have a vision!
anything commercial go in there, perhaps a grocery store?
A quick look at o'malias shows that the city can support more of them in the area.
And I'm not sure if anyone ever goes to the 16th Kroger.
Cory, nice touch adding the aerial map with highlights!
We actually looked at the possibility of doing the event in the Peyton Wells building. It could work. I will keep an eye on how this auction goes.
(ok....end of self promotion)
I agree that downtown needs a grocery and a department store (like target) in order to shore up the retail opportunities from downtown residents. I know too many people who live downtown who still drive to Lowes in Glendale and Target in Nora to do their shopping.
As for Richard's request, if you want massage parlor's just up to Carmel.
Now, if these empty lots were in Carmel (a suburb for heavens sake!), I would be much more confident in an urban, mixed use project built up to the street.
Show me some (any) high density retail with apartments on the upper floors anywhere in Metro Indianapolis. Are there apartments over Keystone Square Target in Carmel? On top of Kroger or Marsh in Carmel? Did Kite put apartments over the new Target Glendale or Fresh Market at 54th & College?
Let's at least be realistic.
Now, I have to trek to Castleton. It's the same in small towns. There's been a huge consolidation of retail over the last twenty years.
And the neighborhood only has themselves to blame about Kroger. Kroger has wanted to put in a bigger store, but the neighborhood didn't want the Kroger suburban design.
There are not enough rooftops to support a Target. Look for a contraction of retail, not an expansion over the next twelve to twenty-four months. Example: the Wal-Mart grocery store is closing at 30th & Post, likely due to all the foreclosures in the area.
Have you ever shopped in that store? Ghetto is ghetto. It's dirty, the staff is unwelcoming and as a woman, I would get eyeballed and unpleasant remarks made to me. If you would like to verify everyone else's comments, by all means, please stop in there on your way home tonight and report back.
In that part of town only the Winterhouse and Methodist Tower are as tall as 13 stories, and there is an issue with the Methodist Lifeline air ambulance service for anything over about 150 feet since it needs a clear path to the roof of Methodist Hospital from all directions.
And that kroger is ghetto. Not because of the large number of african americans and its stupid to assume people to be racist. The place is dirty and unwelcoming.
First you need to buy the land at the Payton Wells site for $3-5 million, clean up the site, then come up with a development master plan, and round up developers and financing for the $25-50 million of dense development that would be required to make sense of that kind of land investment.
Then when you can rent me 1000 sq. ft. for $750 a month or sell it to me for $85K, and I can shop for groceries downstairs, I'll move in and sell my car and ride the bus to work and try to sell everyone I know on doing the same thing. But hurry, 'cause the auction's next month.
Unless we see $5/gallon gas by then, I think there's little likelihood of my scenario playing out.
The problem with having a parking garage in that part of town is that pretty much every woman I know (and I may not be representative, of course) would refuse to use it. Parking garages are a good use of space, but unless they are busy, in a very safe location, or heavily staffed, they frighten a lot of people.
I'm pretty sure people get attacked in parking lots and sidewalks as well, are your female friends afraid to leave the house?
There is no surprise and I'm well aware, but the matter of fact is that women get attacked in parking lots and sidewalks as well and Target hasn't implemented drive-thru shopping yet. I'm all for safety, but I'm also all about reality.
I don't think we should build massive parking lots to avoid attacks by criminals. But parking garages need to be made better. Better lighting, more security, and even security guards on every level. Circle centre feels safer because its busy and the entrance to the mall is right there as well as many security guards.