Bids to redevelop MSA site top out at 52 stories tall

April 22, 2013
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Market square redevelopment
                              site 225pxOne of six bidders responding to a city request to redevelop a downtown parking lot where Market Square Arena once stood is proposing a mixed-use project stretching 52 stories, potentially the tallest building in the state. Mayor Greg Ballard tweeted the news Monday afternoon after the city’s deadline to receive proposals passed earlier in the day. All six bidders proposed mixed-use projects ranging in size from eight to 52 stories. By comparison, downtown's Chase Tower has 48 stories. City spokesman Marc Lotter declined to name the bidders or provide more details, saying Ballard is just beginning the process of reviewing the proposals. “We’re very excited that it drew such strong interest,” Lotter said. IBJ reported in its April 22 issue that city officials would have at least four proposals to consider. Executives from locally based Browning Investments, Flaherty & Collins Properties, Keystone Group and Milhaus Development told IBJ during an informal survey of potential bidders that they intended to submit proposals, which were due by April 22. Proposals were expected to include a high-rise building well beyond four stories above a major retail component on the ground level, according to a city fact sheet. The renewed interest in the site, where previous attempts at redevelopment in 2004 and 2007 failed, comes after Indianapolis Mayor Greg Ballard called for new proposals during his State of the City speech in March. What’s different this time is that the city is starting with just one piece of the former arena site instead of the entire portion in hopes that a smaller development might have a better chance of succeeding. The targeted property is the northern 1.96 acres directly east of the Indianapolis City Market at the northeastern corner of Market and Alabama streets. The area is now segmented into parking lots from Washington Street north to Wabash Street. City officials hope a project on the northern part will help generate demand for future development on the southern section.

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  • tallest
    Um, we all know who's going to get the project....Keystone Group. The only question is how much money the city will give Keystone.
  • April Fools?
    This article must be a flame. The only explanation for this is that we're being trolled by Ballard or possibly the author. First, there are HUGE vacancies in the existing towers downtown. Regions is mostly empty! Secondly, what business would want to occupy a tower next to City County and across from the Marion County Jail? This is the funniest thing I've read all week.
    • Need
      Indianapolis has little to no recognition for the current skyline by most on-viewers. This is not drawing any young professionals. the city needs a defining tower that a city can be proud of.
      • Height
        I have a feeling this will be much closer to 8 stories than 52. Who wants to live next to all those jails and bail bonds places??? The previous project were much shorter and failed. I have a feeling this will fail too.
      • "Puh-leeeeeze"!
        Yet another City Hall effort at helping bankroll developers and investors attempting to get rich by building high-priced (over-priced) housing and unneeded though obligatory "retail" for a market that doesn't exist. We need downtown housing average people can actually afford. And if such ever materializes, the taxpayers ought to be granted an equity stake in return for all the public perks customarily thrown at these things.
      • Compatible land use?
        52 stories in the primarily residential east side of downtown with average heights of 1 to 10 stories? Let's hope there is some real thought on how this affects current residential areas and doesn't become some out-of-place monument to government planning. It's more than numbers of housing units and financing incentives...it's traffic, views, light and impact the on neighboring community.
        • Suburbanites?
          Almost all of the comments here seem to be the rants of the suburbanites who troll IBJ looking for ways to put downtown down and make people think downtown is such a scary place. What a crock-stick to your suburbs. Let's build the 52 story tower and make it a true landmark for the city.
        • clueless commenters
          So many of the people who write comments here seem to be oblivious to what is going on with real estate downtown and are unaware of how attractive our downtown is - and seem to have no capacity to imagine how it will continue to keep getting better, with numerous exciting projects continuing to happen all over downtown. Talking about how there are HUGE amounts of vacant space in the buildings downtown is a misplaced comment. The commenter needs to realize that with this new project will primarily be a residential building with a relatively small bit of retail and maybe a little bit of office space. This is not a major new office building that is being proposed - so to refer to low occupancy rates in downtown office towers is an irrelevant point. The downtown apartment occupancy rate is at 96% -- so there is a huge demand for downtown housing. Also - this building site is NOT across the street from the jail. The jail is about a block and a half away. This proposed building will be across the street from the City Market and the Bike Hub / YMCA. It is located right along the Cultural Trail. It will be surrounded by hundreds of existing condos and apartments - and there is room for hundreds more residential units to fit in on some of the additional properties surrounding the site. It is diagonally across the street from the City County Building -- and there is nothing wrong with that. That's part of living downtown -- being next to other big buildings. Its two blocks from Mass Ave, four blocks from Bankers Life Fieldhouse, Three blocks from the Circle, Four blocks from Carson's, etc, etc. This project will be another downtown residential project adding hundreds of new residential units that will be joining the thousands of units currently being built downtown or about to break ground. It might not end up being 52 stories - but who knows? A nice tower in the 20 - 35 story range would be great to see too. I could live with a cool mix of 8 - 12 story buildings on the site as well. Looking forward to seeing which proposal gets selected. Would some of you prefer to have a downtown filled with parking lots - like it was twenty years ago? I'd sure hate to think so, but unfortunately that sometimes seems to be the case when I read some of the ridiculous, negative comments.
        • Everything Tom Said
          Plus, the retail space will not sit empty. This will not be built without a signed tenant and word on the street seems to be that it will be a Target. They've supposedly been looking at Downtown for years now and it's more than likely that this space will be designed specifically for them.
        • Don't feed the trolls.
          I live next to the old MSA site in a fully occupied high end condo building. Out of 70 units, only four are on the market right now: better than many suburban neighborhoods. They're pricey units, but guess what -- people can and do buy them anyways because its a convenient location. There are quite a few residential buildings already in the area (firehouse square, the desoto, the maxwell, the packard, the clevelander, the hudson, and *coming soon* artistry). Its close to downtown offices, mass ave, the I65 and I70, and walking distance to banker's life field house and lucas oil stadium. I really don't understand trashing the area: the jail is several blocks away and is not a problem at all. The city count building is just a building. As the neighborhood fills in, the bail bonds places will probably get priced out -- but so what? I've never had any problems with them, either, although they are ugly. If you like the suburbs, great, but don't trash a key development in the downtown market. Residential is booming and as downtown gets nicer, Indianapolis as a whole will get nicer.
          • Comments
            I completely agree that way too many of the posters to thread as of late seem to have no clue about downtown. I just completely disregard them, for the most part, unless they spout something just so utterly ludicrous that I can't resist. I am very excited about the potential for this project. I'm hoping for a supertall composed of hotel and apartments. For the retail portion it would be great to see a Target and a higher end home furnishings store like Crate and Barrel or their more contemporary offshoot, CB2....
          • Best comment yet goes to Greg D. "52 stories in the primarily residential east side of downtown with average heights of 1 to 10 stories?" is he missing that the City County Building at 28 stories is catty corner to this site? Good comment Greg, sometime drive downtown and see what it looks like.
          • Traffic
            A 52 storey building would be too much for this location. The streets around would not be able to handle the traffic with everything else nearby.
          • Why or why not 52 stories?
            Sue Ellen, if this downtown site couldn't handle the traffic of a 52-story building, what site could handle it? I'm presuming that Greg D's comments could be based upon living in either the Hudson or Firehouse Row developments which could have some or most of their direct sunlight blocked by a 52-story development at this site. For the owners of low-rise residential development, that's a legitimate concern. Unfortunately for them, it's a concern that isn't backed by the zoning for this area because it's in the middle of downtown. When the Hudson was built, I wondered who would buy the south facing units and how much those values would plummet after something tall was built across the alley from it. Hopefully, soon we will learn the answer to the second question. A Target would be awesome.
          • Sue Ellen
            Sue Ellen, this project is going to be built in the CBD of Indianapolis, not at the end of your cul de sac in Avon. This location can handle the traffic. It freaking had a 16,000 seat arena for god's sake!
          • Overpriced?
            Tired of all the 'downtown residential is over-priced' complaints. If units are being absorbed so quickly, then perhaps they are under priced. Just because you can't afford the rent, doesn't make it overpriced.
          • We need a skyline.
            I am just glad no one on here has been talking about building a park. The mayor will build the tallest building he can. "But make no mistake, I want to be bold." Those were his remarks after announcing the land was for development
          • Build the Tower
            Build the tower. Defy the naysayers, risk the failure. Build the tower.
          • MSA site
            Can we please, please, please, PLEASE not have one of the terrible locally based architecture firms design this project. Our city can only take so much of Ratio's same generic design over and over and over again.
            • Build It
              Build it. The people here complaining about downtown Indy obviously don't spend any time here, and certainly don't appreciate all of the benefits each new development brings to the area.
            • Target
              Filling Nordstrom's space at CC is a higher priority.
              • To Joyce
                What does the Nordstrom space have to do with this? I'm guessing that the space in this apartment building will not be filled by a Saks, Macy's, or any kind of clothing department store. It's probably going to be a Target. Target would be a terrible fit for Circle Centre, so I don't see how this affects the old Nordstrom space. If anything this helps the prospect of that space by adding hundreds of new residents Downtown which would increasing the customer base for the mall.
              • Higher Priority to Whom?
                @Janet, to whom is filling the old Nordstrom at CCM a higher priority? To the city? Target? You? I suspect it is to Simon. I'm no developer or commercial real estate expert, but I'm guessing Target would prefer to have a new custom-designed location with dedicated parking than to backfill an existing space in CCM. The city's priority is to develop a valuable and under-utilized property and get it back on the tax rolls. My only question is (and it may be that I misunderstand the city's process here) whether that site is sufficiently sized for a 52-story tower, or if that proposal requires the other parcels as well. It just seems to be a small footprint, but again, I'm not an expert.
              • Size of Footprint
                I think that gobnaitx brings up a very good point. The footprint isn't large enough on the northern part of this project to support a Target (even an urban design). I've seen several indications that the city is hoping for a big box retailer on the south part of this project with Target among the lead retailers mentioned. I do think there is suffecient space to build a 52 story tower on the northern part but the ground floor retail would likely be small specialty space with an anchor like a Whole Foods, Trader Joes, or CB2 that could fit into that space. I agree with other posts on CCM that building this project will help CCM but the two utilize different retailers to fill their space. I'm still hoping to see Bloomingdale's or another dept store the city doesn't have, fill the CCM space but ultimately that is up to Simon. Let's just hope for a fantastic project on this Market Square site that further drives growth downtown.
              • Target
                I disagree about this site not being large enough to accomodate a Target. It certainly is and I have visited targets built in smaller footprints. And just last year Target introduced its City Target concept which fit wonderfully AND leave plenty of room for other retailers!
              • Target
                Could you squeeze a Target into this space if you really wanted to, probably, but it would be considerably more expensive to build and it would have to limit what it carries. I would bet money you will not see a big box retailer on the north side of this development. I have also been to urban Target in other cities like Atlanta so I know what is possible but it comes at a price. Spending the money to squeeze Target into this space doesn't make sense with the space available to the south. I would still expect to see apartments built above it and for it to be an urban design but I just don't see the need for the extra expense to build it into a restricted space. Ultimately it will be up the developer and whatever retailers they can bring on board.
              • Middle class need not apply
                Home or condo ownership downtown is overpriced. The only folks who can actually afford to own a home or condo are those who come from family money, have an actual free-market based high income job (few of these), or have some politically connected/benefited job which pays well (many of these in Indy). Home ownership downtown seems to be reserved for the wealthy. I have no desire to toss that kind of money away when I can get so much more in the burbs. The only thing affordable near downtown is usually found in neighborhoods that don't have lower rated schools and higher crime. I can get 2,000 sq. ft. all brick ranch with three car garage and anywhere from .24-1 acre of land for $225K in the burbs. Outside of the land and garage space, is there any similar sized homes like that available downtown, in new or like new condition?
                • TimBowwl
                  Tim,that's why these properties aren't being marketed to you. What you want is in the burbs, what other people want is an 800 sf apartment in the city. What I have been hearing is that the development would be mostly rental apartments with some owner occupied condos as well, but mostly apartments. There is a huge demand and market for rental apartments in downtown Indy right now. Go to any similar or larger city and you will not find what you are looking for at your price point unless you go to the burbs. I would hate to see downtown filled with brick ranches with 3 car garages on quarter acre lots.
                • Target
                  The site is perfectly capable of handling a Target. I got to one all the time in Chicago that sits on a site not any bigger than this and carries everything that a sprawling Target in the burbs carries. Go up not out. 2 stories on this site can hold a Target.
                • Wrong
                  Ever heard of law firms? That parcel is a prime spot.
                • Behind the times
                  With so many naysayers, it is truly amazing Indy was able to ever build great buildings like Lucas Oil or Conseco. I am sure someone reading this right now thinks MSA wad a fine 21st century facility. Look at comprable cities. Our skyline is sad.
                • Cost of Living
                  There are plenty of affordable options for people downtown. You just won't get what you get in the suburbs. There are nice condos available in downtown for less than $150,000. Cheaper than the $225,000 brick ranch that Tim was talking about in the suburbs. It may not be as big as the suburban house or have a 3 car garage, but this is a downtown city, you shouldn't expect to get the same in the city as in the suburbs. Like someone else mentioned you can get an 800 square foot apartment for under $1,000 a month in downtown. There are cheaper apartments available too downtown. Living downtown is affordable if you want it to be. You have to be willing to make a few sacrifices to live in the city. Just like living in the suburbs you have to make a few sacrifices like driving everywhere and lawn care, etc... City living isn't for everyone. If it's not for you, quit complaining about what it's not.
                • Jail???
                  It will always boggle my mind that the, "Who would want to live next to a jail?" argument always gets thrown up in the context of these parcels. Um, many people would be just fine with it. I'd be just fine with it. It's a metro area with 96% occupancy and well over a million people metro-wide. The developer's only concern is finding a couple hundred people who will want to live there. I'm sure they'll be just fine, not that it's even a real concern...
                  • boondoggle
                    Another boondoggle from mayor Ballard. Indy does not neef this and all of our hard earned tax dollars that will go to paying for it!!!
                    • Indy needs to take some notes from Chicago
                      There's this section across from Millennium Park which houses condos http://www.magellandevelopment.com/lakeshore-east/buildings/ ....something like this would do wonders for Indy. They need to think big and bold, this houses a park and dog park among these condo high-rises as well as retail on the first floor of each. This could utilize the entire Market Sq. footprint.
                    • Ok, we have two contenders for quote of the thread. First, Sue Ellen with this gem "A 52 storey building would be too much for this location. The streets around would not be able to handle the traffic with everything else nearby." as well said earlier, the site housed a 16,000+ arena. I don't think a 52 story building is going to overload the roads. Second in contention is Tim with "I can get 2,000 sq. ft. all brick ranch with three car garage and anywhere from .24-1 acre of land for $225K in the burbs." It goes without saying why this is in the running. I will give honorable mention to all the folks complaining about price. with a 98% occupancy rate, it sounds like price is dead on. Sorry, you won't get a price range for the middle class in these towers, but you won't find that in any major downtown. Now if Ballard can get the proposed GM Plant redeveloped, you could put in low rise buildings that could be more affordable.
                    • Now going to Ramz suggestions, I looked at the pics, and with the exception of a couple of buildings, we have very similar designs as those. Aqua Park and Benton look very similar to the car themed buildings, waverly, Hudson etc.... The lancaster, Shoreham and tides look very similar to a number of Indy buildings. The only one on there that looks interesting is Aqua at Lakeshore.
                    • Esther...
                      ... please define boondoggle. And then explain why Indy doesn't need this. As in development? Duh.... buy a clue.
                    • Boondoggle
                      Boondoggle - a wasteful or impractical project or activity often involving graft
                    • Opinion of Regions
                      Are you simply stating an assumption? Where are you getting your facts?
                    • I am not sure how this is a wasteful or impractical project. Downtown needs more housing as noted by a 98% occupancy rate. Downtown needs more retail, especially big box retailers as noted by many surveys of downtown. Target, Best Buy, a home/furniture type. Please explain why you see this as a boondoggle.
                    • Progess is scary...
                      It's very clear that some of the negative commenters on here have very little recent experience with downtown Indy. I think they sit at home, imagining our downtown, littered with tumbleweeds, flocks of pigeons ready to shoot, and roving gangs of hoodlums running Circle Center mall. Keep up Grandmas and Grandpas, these times are a changing.
                    • In other words......
                      So what I'm reading correctly is that downtown Indy living is for the rich and/or childless families who don't need a lot of space. Those who want to live downtown but need space still have to be rich, they just have to get an older home that has been remolded that costs $350K+ and be able to afford private school as well. Those of us who aren't lucky enough to be in the privileged class? Well, we might get lucky to have something more affordable over near the old GM plant...definitely need to be on the other side of the river and tracks you know. Somehow I view any MSA development getting a 10% poor, older person set aside, while the GM redevelopment would be at least 25% Section 8 for single mothers. As far as roving gangs of hoodlums and Circle Centre Mall, that has been an issue for the last few years now. Or is the media just making up the reports on shootings?
                    • Downtown crime
                      Downtown crime is very real. Shame on you that try to downplay it. It has gotten very dangerous to go out downtown at night or to go shopping at Circle Centre.
                      • Build the tower
                        Just build the tower to compliment the skyline, which is known as the ugliest in the country (remember an article in the ONION, folks?). Yeah, why would ANYBODY want to be from a place considered ugly, lifeless and suburban? The posters above are hilarious but equally embarassing. I thoroughly enjoy people trying to talk about context... when it's clear they havn't traveled outside Avon or Fischers. Please, build the tower and shut the NAYSAYING NIMBYS up for once!
                      • NIMBY
                        If standing up for the taxpayers makes me a "NIMBY," then so be it. When is enough enough with our elected officials spending like drunken sailors?? This project will involve millions upon millions of dollars in government handouts that the city can't afford.
                        • Taxpayer
                          So...i believe the elected officials spending billions on new (and always improved) roads in the burbs are the most obese and drunk, if you ask me. I just beleive this city can prioritize economic investment a little better. A game changing developement in this downtown location should be one of our top 3 investments made in the next 3 years.
                        • The best description for downtown living given, and that goes for most downtowns, is it is for the young with no children and the old with no children who want to enjoy walking to work, to the store, to the restaurants and to events. It is not for the poor. It is not for those with kids who want a park at the end of the block or a yard to let fido play in. I can't afford to live in most neighborhoods in Fishers, Geist, Carmel or Zionsville. Does that mean they should not be able to build houses in those areas? At least downtown development includes restaurants, attractions and events I can participate in without having to live there. Downtown living is not for everyone. That is just a fact. And downtown crime is no worse than in the suburbs, it just gets more press. Dead bodies and robberies happen in the best neighborhoods. Those are the ones where the residents say, "who would have thought it could happen here?" It can and does happen everywhere.
                        • Jail
                          Next to jail is where most criminals avoid working. Law abiding citizens enjoy the incre.ased police presence.
                        • Pan Am Plaza not Market Square
                          The city should take efforts to acquire the land and garage on Pan Am plaza, whether through eminent domain or other measure to revitalize a much more important area of downtown. The project could coincide with the construction of a rail line to the airport, and, maybe, like Cincinnati, a casino in union station. The market square site does not have the surroundings of Lucas Oil stadium, the convention center, circle center mall, and union station to name a few. Pan Am plaza is a place that already needs to be completely restored and it would accommodate vertical development better than the market square site that currently has the Artistry Development of four stories on its east side. Today, I drove past the City Way development that has been the hallmark of Ballard's development. With city financing. nearly half billion dollars have been spent to develop what appears to be an impenetrable block of a hotel, restaurants, condos and apartments. While I applaud the city in taking efforts to connect Lilly to our center, the development does little to support or encourage foot traffic. I fear the same would hold true for the market square site. The redevelopment of Pan Am plaza on Georgia Street coupled with a rail line project from the airport to downtown, would do so much in supporting our wend city. Within ten minutes, visitors could be transported from their planes to downtown. They could immediately visit the new building on the site divided into multiple uses from city civil courts, a university, office space, a hotel, and luxury condos. They could also visit a new casino that could alleviate local food and beverage taxes. Indiana lost its gambling virginity long ago and there is no use in acting like casinos on rivers, next to horse tracks, or in french lick maintain any semblance of purity. We might as well adopt and change to the environment within which we live. I strongly believe that a more bold project that couples public transportation, mixed private and public development, and tax relieving efforts has a better niche at Pan Am plaza than any proposed market square development. This is an incredible time to act. I hope we continue on the same track that has pulled Indy from Indy "no place" to where we are today. Maybe someday, we could be a world class destination. Just a thought.
                          • The major dent in your plan is that government in Indiana cannot use eminent domain to acquire property that would be used by a private entity. That was a state law passed a few years ago. So the City would have to own and operate any development at Pan Am Plaza, and I doubt that could or should happen. Pan Am Plaza also comes with very well documented issues. The ownership of the parking garage below is different from the construction above. It sounds like the two are starting to work together, but the long delay in construction is mainly for that reason. I am guessing a couple of the main reasons the city is interested in developing the MSA site is it is currently city owned. That means it is not making any tax revenue. Also that it is the eastern side of the skyscraper downtown. As the JW became the western bookend, this development could be the eastern bookend. It is also a site, across from the 28 story CCB and other large office towers that would benefit to catering to employees of those buildings. It is better suited for long term living such as condos or apartments which downtown needs badly as seen by the 98% occupancy rate. As such, it is much better suited for the big box retailers many feel downtown needs like Target, Best Buy, a home store and a upscale grocery. The Pan Am site is better suited for hotel rooms and retail serving visitors due to its proximity to the convention center, LOS complex and the core of convention hotels. City Way was mainly designed to serve the under served office complexs south of the tracks like Lilly's, Anthem and Farm Bureau. That said, there will be retail along its street fronts to provide ample pedestrian interaction. I do agree and fully believe that Indy needs to build a rail line from Airport to Union Station asap. The most enjoyable cities to visit are those that have easy access for visitors from their major ports of entry to the center city. You should not have to hassle to find a cab, a bus or a rental car when all you want to do is travel from the airport to downtown. Especially since Indy is so walkable.
                          • Nick
                            Nick, I agree with your statement about the importance of a redeveloped Pan Am Plaza for the obvous reasons. I do not, however, agree with your argument concerning foot traffic. A Pan Am Plaza redevelopment (which would be a great transportation hub in the future) would basically feed off of what Indy thrives on: CONVENTIONS FOR OUT OF TOWNERS. The MSA redevelopment would encourage--not only things such as increased foot traffic in the future--but increased livability for downtown residents. Should Indianapolis just sit back for another 20 years and soley rely on spots and conventions? Or should we encourage increased downtown residential growth with proper mixed use development...like City Way, the Cosmopolitan or say a residential tower and urban Target for the MSA site. Once a few more of these pedestrian focused developments are built... you may see how they help link certain parts of the city. So, I guess my argument is the MSA site is actually much more prime...for the proper development.
                          • Downtown Crime
                            I live downtown, I'm definitely NOT RICH, and I have a 7yr old kid. Downtown has options for everyone. Not just the rich. As far as crime. There's crime everywhere!! Castleton just had it's share of the fun about a month ago. My point is, you belly-achers only seem to penalize downtown when crime happens and not the other locations in the city...it's like the fact that the crime happens downtown confirms some theory that it really isn't as great as everyone says it is. Shame on you Janice! (By the way "Shame on you" that's a very Grandma thing to say)
                          • Janice
                            Warning EVERYBODY: Due to Janice's brilliant statement above...people should totally avoid the following areas, due to the foreign activity of crime that has occurred there in the past week: Castleton Broad Ripple Geist Lawrence Avon Carmel Fischers Plainfield Greenwood Yes people---like Janice says---crime is real.
                          • God forbid
                            God forbid we actually SEE something grow and bloom from our tax dollars. Apparently a bunch of you are content the money being squandered away on overpriced road projects and leaving everything looking the same forever. Well, I'm young and make good money. You want to keep me and my kind of peeps around then you have to compete with other cities for my business.
                          • Building
                            I think everyone is in agreement that indianapolis is a great city, but our skyline is frankly, somewhat embarrassing for a city of this size. Lets go for a great new 52 story tower! If we're not going to progress, every other city will.
                          • Can't Agree More
                            Unfortunately, Indianapolis has tons of people who criticize and critique, but they have no positive input. It takes courage to dream big – anyone can pick apart sketches and ideas. For the city to have a vibrant downtown people have to have housing. Rental occupancy over 90% = huge demand. How can you not see this? A few years ago when I came downtown on the weekend, it was a ghost town. Now I see people on the cultural trail and on the streets. This will only improve with the additions north of AUL, close to IUPUI, city view, and the development around the fire station on Mass. Ave (aka Piccadilly on Mass). A strong downtown makes Indianapolis stronger. Many people see that the development is close to the jail and are scared away. They are not the people that would move downtown anyway. Stick to the outlying counties, cornfields, fast food chains, and white picket fences. Downtown Indianapolis will continue to progress with or without you. When the rail system is up, please come to the center of the state. Why are so many people in this city afraid to say they like something? It is so much easier to take the negative side. Just like our sports teams, so many people in the city root for Indianapolis to fail. I get that we have a lot of transplants in Indy, but have the strength to say you like something. I don’t care what you hate. A simple minded person can say they hate everything, but what have you done to change it. Shut Up! We need some leaders in this city. I’m sick of people trying to tear it down without contributing anything or giving anything a chance. Ask the citizens of Philly, Chicago, New York, or any other major city where they are from and take some notes.
                          • Scaled Back
                            While that is true, I am commenting on 9/30/2013, and a 28-story building was picked, instead of the 52-stories that was proposed. This is typical of Indy, and yet city officials are still calling the 28-story building Indy's future signature building. Funny, how is a building that is half the height of the city's tallest building going to be a "signature" building? Indy will not get a building taller than the Chase Tower, in my lifetime. I am 45. I guarantee this. Indy: always was plain ol', is plain ol', and will always be plain ol.
                          • Of Course They Chose the Smaller Plan
                            Well, one of the original ideas called for a 52-story building, which would have made it taller than the Chase Tower. But of course, as always happens in Naptown, Hoosierana, they went for one that is only half the height of the city's tallest building. Surprising? Not a bit!
                          • Really?
                            Typical Hoosier. Always bitching and moaning and complaining about progress. This is why the 28-story building was ultimately picked, which the mayor of Indy called "bold." The 52-story building proposed would have been bold. Any building smaller than the currently standing buildings in Indy can hardly be called bold. But, as is usual for Indiana, people like you get their way, and Indiana remains a cornfield that is the laughing stock of the nation. Indy will never be a truly progressive city because conservatives run it, and they are whiners like you!

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                          1. If what you stated is true, then this article is entirely inaccurate. "State sells bonds" is same as "State borrows money". Supposedly the company will "pay for them". But since we are paying the company, we are still paying for this road with borrowed money, even though the state has $2 billion in the bank.

                          2. Andrew hit the nail on the head. AMTRAK provides terrible service and that is why the state has found a contractor to improve the service. More trips, on-time performance, better times, cleanliness and adequate or better restrooms. WI-FI and food service will also be provided. Transit from outlying areas will also be provided. I wouldn't take it the way it is but with the above services and marketing of the service,ridership will improve and more folks will explore Indy and may even want to move here.

                          3. They could take the property using eminent domain and save money by not paying the church or building a soccer field and a new driveway. Ctrwd has monthly meetings open to all customers of the district. The meetings are listed and if the customers really cared that much they would show. Ctrwd works hard in every way they can to make sure the customer is put first. Overflows damage the surrounding environment and cost a lot of money every year. There have been many upgrades done through the years to help not send flow to Carmel. Even with the upgrades ctrwd cannot always keep up. I understand how a storage tank could be an eye sore, but has anyone thought to look at other lift stations or storage tanks. Most lift stations are right in the middle of neighborhoods. Some close to schools and soccer fields, and some right in back yards, or at least next to a back yard. We all have to work together to come up with a proper solution. The proposed solution by ctrwd is the best one offered so far.

                          4. Fox has comments from several people that seem to have some inside information. I would refer to their website. Changed my whole opionion of this story.

                          5. This place is great! I'm piggy backing and saying the Cobb salad is great. But the ribs are awesome. $6.49 for ribs and 2 sides?! They're delicious. If you work downtown, head over there.

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