Developer intends to bring hint of 'Wrigleyville' to Chatham Arch neighborhood

June 13, 2013
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Jacobs development
                              rendering 225pxA local developer plans to build three single-family homes on a surface lot south of Massachusetts Avenue in the Chatham Arch neighborhood. While that might not seem unusual, the designs are. “It’s something you may see in a Wrigleyville-type neighborhood in Chicago, or maybe a Georgetown out in Washington, D.C.,” said Dan Jacobs. He bought the lot at the northeast corner of East North Street and North Park Avenue on May 31 from an entity called North Lockerbie LLC. The vertical-style homes will be wider than a typical row house and will range in height from three to four stories with a loft level and a rooftop patio. Each residence will be equipped with an elevator and state-of-the-art technology regarding the functionality of the home. Ross Reller, director of land services for Colliers International’s Indiana region, brokered the sale of the land. “[The city] wanted us to sell this for new development and not for new parking,” he said. “That’s not what the city wants on the corner.” The design of the first home [above] is conceptual, and the project still needs to be approved by the Indianapolis Historic Preservation Commission. Jacobs said the design will be more contemporary rather than a historic brick-and-limestone look. Rob Creviston is the architect with design consulting from Janie Jacobs, an interior designer and a partner at Jacobs Schneider Interior Design.
 

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  • Parking??
    Why would ANYONE have thought that should be used for parking? Obviously the "City" didn't. Who did?
    • Great design.
      I like the design. Three and four stories and rooftop patios are exactly what we need to keep attracting people to live downtown.
      • Great--if they sell
        Absolutely love the design. I live at this intersection and know it well. I just hope that a few more $1M homes will sell. There are a couple at Mass and Walnut that have been on the market for a long time.
      • Great Design
        Great idea to further make the area liveable as opposed to an attraction. Those that complain about parking obviously don't understand there are plenty of garages within 1/4 mile. Walking isn't that bad Indianapolis! Also, love the BMW throw into the mock up.
      • Great design
        Too bad we couldn't watch a Cubbie's game from the rooftop.
      • Parking
        I think because it's already an existing parking lot.
        • Enough
          Again, the Chicagofication of Indianapolis continues. What, are we a southeast suburb or something now? While we're at it, let's go ahead and change the name of the Colts to the Indianapolis Bears...please.
          • The city wanted us?
            Can Ross clarify the comment that the city wanted us to sell this for development? Was the city participating in the brokering? Will they be "telling" other brokers what they want their property to be sold for? Did the city participate financially in this deal? Too much private negotiations being done by the city if you ask me.
            • parking
              The city did not participate financially but prudent buyers listen to what the city wants when considering purchase of urban parcels. We learned when Brugge was considering opening a brewery in the Tway Bldg that the city was opposed to their using the subject property for off street parking.
            • @Wesley / Parking woes
              "Those that complain about parking obviously don't understand there are plenty of garages within 1/4 mile." Name one; you can't. I live on Park Ave in this block and the parking quirks are maddening. Park Ave is very dangerous because it's narrow and street parking is allowed on both sides. Mass Ave needs a garage somewhere. Not here, but somewhere. Maybe something like the new Broad Ripple garage at the intersection of Mass and College.
            • Somwhere but no here..... I love nymbyism. When the market supports a garage, one will be built. most urban areas have creative parking issues. Part of living downtown. I know a guy who lives downtown but parks several miles away. When he needs his car, he bikes or takes a bus to it.
            • Parking
              Get off the parking bit...clamor for mass transit and solve the issue.
              • Mass transit LOL
                What's with all the fervent mass transit drooling lately? Indy is way too small to support any kind of train system. And we already have an expansive bus system if I feel like abandoning my luxury car and bumping arms with a bunch of smelly bums.
                • Re:LOL
                  Yes, as the 13th largest city in the US by population, Indy is "way too small to support any kind of [transit] system". FAIL. Yes, Indy has an "expansive bus system"...Expansive..."You keep using that word; I do not think it means what you think it means" --- where do you REALLY live, because it sure isn't Indianapolis.
                  • 13th largest is a joke
                    All of you Indy fanboys love to latch onto the "13th largest city in the nation" statistic. That's because Indy encompasses such a large geographic area. That statistic is for the city population, not the metro population, which is the relevant stat. Do you really think Indianapolis is "bigger" than Atlanta, San Francisco, and Boston? The city itself has a higher population, but you're a fool if you consider those "smaller" than Indy.
                    • Nice addition
                      Great development for the 9,000 sq ft parking lot. This may get some resistance from south facing Real Silk Condo residents, but they're fortunate someone isn't building something taller. As for parking, Park Avenue will most likely need to become one way. I'm not sure a fire truck could get thru that block on a Thursday night or most of the weekend.
                      • Parking is not a problem
                        I am downtown ALL the time and I never have a problem with parking. Do I always get to park within 25 feet of the place I'm going? NO!!! It is however very rare to get more than a couple of blocks away. In a lot of major cities it can be a mile away unless your lucky. It won't kill you to walk a few blocks--it might even help you.
                      • Question
                        A question for the moderator of this thread: Why is it deemed appropriate for one poster on here to refer to others as "fanboys", "fools" and people who ride the bus (as I do, frequently) "smelly bums", yet when I suggest that person is a "troll" my comment is deleted? It's happened twice now and I don't understand the logic.
                      • @ChathamRes
                        I really hope the Real Silk people don't push back. If they think the vacant lot is better for their property values than a row of $2 million houses, they're crazy
                      • re: wafflefries
                        Dear Wafflefries, (and everyone else that clamors about Indy being the 13th largest city in the country). Being the 13th largest city means nothing when your city encompasses such a large geographical area. Our city has a high population, sure (13th overall), but our metro area has a very low population (34th overall). The reason for this is the city limits of Indy are greatly expanded compared with almost every other major metropolitan area in the country. To make mass transit viable in the city we need a higher population density. Out latest stats on Indy show that we have a density of around 2,200 people per square mile. Using that stat we fall outside the top 150 most dense cities (with a population of 100,000 or more). This is less dense than Gary, Fort Wayne, South Bend, and Evansville (some of those might have changed - it's older data). Please stop using the argument of "but we're the 13th largest city!" as it ultimately rings hollow and continues to propagate this myth that we, as a city, somehow deserve things due to our size.
                        • But...
                          ...Willow, you are trying to trivialize things. Yes, we are currently (by the most recently changed metro boundarys) the 34th largest in the U.S. But the difference between us and the 10 cities listed ahead of us is rather insignificant and we are grwoing at a faster rate than several of those listed ahead, as well. So for all your talk about "clamoring" that fact IS that Indianapolis IS a large city AND a large metropolitan area. And we don't deserve things because of our size yet we have, as a city, accomplished more than half the cities listed above us. There is nothing wrong with taking pride in our city and expecting grand things. Size does not determine the quality of life and does not a "world class city" make.
                        • And, willow....
                          ... pointing to those density rankings as a reason why we SHOULDN'T want or need mass transit is absolutely ludicrous, lol. Half of those "cities" listed are included in the New York or Los Angeles metropolitan areas... they're just parts of huge megalopolis's. Of course they're dense! lol... I lived in Lawndale, CA (which is #27 in the rankings you refer to). It's no more dense than almost any other place in Center Township and you'd never even know it wasn't just another part of Los Angeles except for a sign that says "Welcome to City of Hawthorne" at either end of the main drag.
                        • re: Marshall
                          You're missing the point. The economic viability of a mass transit system simply doesn't exist for the city of Indianapolis at current population densities. You say "Half of those "cities" listed are included in the New York or Los Angeles metropolitan areas... they're just parts of huge megalopolis's. Of course they're dense!" That's the entire point. Density deserves mass transit, total population number does not.
                        • Since we're off topic.....
                          Since we're already off-topic. I moved to Indy from Chicagoland, where I grew up in a suburb. We had an extensive train system called Metra with various lines going out in various directions. I used it almost every time I wanted to go downtown. Why? It was slower than driving, but less aggravating and cheaper than parking. I never, ever used it to go between suburbs, because it wasn't far enough to justify it, and because parking was ample. Indianapolis has a downtown with tons of cheap parking. Furthermore, there is almost no traffic whatsoever and none of the suburbs are more than 30 minutes from downtown. Why would I ever take the train in from Carmel if one was offered? I wouldn't. A train system in Indianapolis would absolutely hemmorhage money.
                        • Well....
                          .... I don't think anyone expects an extensive trains system like the Metra, lol. But a bus system on par with the one in, say, Dayton, OH (which is EXCELLENT) would be a good start. To suggest we don't need a better system than what we currently have in place, though, is silly. And a couple of rail lines where we already have a good deal of the infrastructure already in place would not necessarily be a bad idea. Eventually they WILL be needed...
                        • Garages
                          Closest garage I can find is on Delaware, about 1/2 mile away. But there are lots of pay lots, and plenty of on-street pay parking (and even some free parking if you're in the know and creative). My partner lived about two blocks away for years, and we've entertained ourselves on Mass Ave for ages. I can't think of any time we've had to park more than three or four blocks from where we were going. The only reason a garage is needed in this area is if the CA residents get their wish for permit-only parking like Lockerbie has. As the neighbors push out the open parking it will be harder and harder for people to find places to park in the area, thus resulting in the need for a garage. This is the reason the Athenaeum is pushing the idea of a garage where they currently operate a surface pay lot. They know CA is trying to get what Lockerbie has already gotten and the spaces will bring more of a premium. While I am at it, that Broad Ripple garage is a dreadful mess all around, from design to the way the city handled the deal. Never again, please.
                        • "Chicagofication"
                          I'd love to see this rendering put into the context of the surrounding neighborhood/area to get a better feel for the surrounding scale. However, just by the looks of it, it appears to be an excellent project. I'm pretty sure that if Scott Olson had said nothing regarding Chicago or Wrigleyville, Mr. "Horrible" would have found nothing bad to say. I'd love to know how Indy is becoming "Chicagofied"...
                        • I like it!!!
                          I have lived next to this empty lot since 1993. I like the design and the developer has been very considerate in listening to our concerns. Parking is a mess here. These houses will have 2 car garages. The parking is the fault of the city's non action. I can't wait until these are done and they will sell.

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