Broad Ripple Kilroy's earns city support after changes

August 10, 2011
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Kilroys logoThe city's planning staff has given its endorsement to a new Kilroy's Bar n' Grill in Broad Ripple after the owner agreed to scale back an outdoor seating area from 4,800 square feet to 2,000 square feet. An amended site plan filed Aug. 1 shows the smaller outdoor dining area would allow for the retention of nine additional parking spaces. The restaurant and bar plans to take the entire 7,750-square-foot building at 831 Broad Ripple Ave., now home to a Cardinal Fitness. Some neighbors have opposed the proposal, wary of another large bar and concerned the outdoor dining area would remove too many scarce parking spaces. The Kilroy's plan provides for 46 parking spaces, far fewer than the 119 required under the city's development standards. The new user, though, should not change the "intensity of automobile traffic" since most visitors in Broad Ripple "walk to multiple destinations," the planning department noted in its report. "The outdoor seating would be in character with the pedestrian friendly, village atmosphere of the area." The city's Board of Zoning Appeals is scheduled to vote on a variance request for Kilroy's on Aug. 16. An earlier post is here.

UPDATE: The entire planning staff report is here.

UPDATE II: Kilroy's pulled its variance request at the last minute but still plans to open a new location in Broad Ripple. They're using a grandfathered variance granted for another restaurant user in 1987 and referenced in the staff report above. Opponents of the plan who arrived at a public hearing were fuming.

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  • ?
    I don't understand why would they make them keep nine spaces...it really makes no difference especially since the 300 car garage is going up soon. I would much rather see larger patio than 9 parking spots.
    • Parking Garage
      Ummm... that comment would lead you to believe that the parking garage is almost finished. They haven't even started building the garage. You can't count something until it is built.
      • 9 spaces....yippie skippy!!!
        Thanks broadripple for saving 9 parking spaces (insert sarcasm here). Who the heck cares about 9 parking spaces?? Wait...maybe we should care. Now when the other small patio areas in ripple are taken we can go park in one of those 9 "treasured spots" and hang out with our friends and family. Funny thing is it's ok for a crappy taco truck to take up 6 "treasured spots" every busy weekend night but broad ripple doesn't want one incredible outdoor space for all the people who make broad ripple what it is to enjoy. Fools
      • Big patio soon enough
        Looking at the drawings from the original post, it appears that a half sized patio will result in 50-60 spots being wiped out. So my guess is that after the parking garage is up and running, and if the smaller patio is a raging success, we will see a request from the owners to go back to the original idea.

        50-60 paying customers is a good thing. The city knows it is a good thing because of all the tax income these people will shell out.
        • Seriously?
          Nine spots?????
          Will that really make any difference?
          The more patio/outdoor seating in Broad Ripple the better, right?
        • 50-60 spots
          @Indy_Kid 50-60 spots? Are you kidding me? The entirety of that lot is 52-53 spots. If you actually look at the rendering, they were only planning on taking the front half of the lot, approximately 17 spaces. I agree that a 4,000 square foot patio may be a bit overhill though. However, the large patio is one of the primary reasons I visit Scotty's downtown.
        • Gelo by Napolese
          Cory,

          What do you know about the Gelo by Napolese, located adjacent to Napolis where Casis used to be? They now have signs on the windows. Is this to be a gelato shop!?!? Do you know when it will open?
        • Hoosiers and their Parking
          Nine spaces, really? Why are Indy ordinances so focused on parking...forbid we actually WALK a few blocks to a restaurant or venue, rather we feel we have to be able to pull up right to the door. REAL cities don't stifle businesses for car spaces, they support them and even encourage something called public transportation.
        • garage
          Nick - Garage will be up in less than a year. City approved it, community leaders approved it, funding is there. Some like it, some don't, but it's a done deal.
        • read report
          It would be most helpful if people would read the City's staff report on the issue. In it, the explanation of the staff support is clear. In 1987 a similar outdoor seating variance was approved for this building, for 1,800 sq. ft. That plan is very, very similar to the one proposed. Seems like the staff simply went along with something already approved in a similar fashion.
        • Exiting
          I've lived in Broad Ripple for 7 years people have been talking about a parking garage for that long. Until it's up you cant count on that. Also, isn't a concern the fact they are closing one of the entrances? The cogestion will be a cause for concern. Also, people may walk to the ave but that doesn't mean they don't drive to Broad Ripple. Check the condo and apartment parking lots on the weekends. People drive to Broad Ripple.
        • Staff report
          Clutch raises an excellent point: I've added a link to the entire staff report to the post, so you can check it out for yourself.
        • good work
          Thanks for sharing that report. I can see their logic now. Although the parking concern is minor in my opinion, I can buy into "the scale of the outdoor area was out of character with the development pattern in the area" explanation.
        • Man O Boo
          This will be great for Broad Ripple. Only problem is the owner has more boo than a commie in a 4th of July parade.
        • Fat for Fitness
          Broad Ripple needs another bar like we need more 90-degree days this summer. Pretty soon BR will be nothing but a string of bars, and not much else. I am one of those that enjoy using the Cardinal Fitness currently located at the site. With 2 out of every 3 Americans currently being overweight or obese, is it good sense to believe that we need yet another bar option in BR with abundant booze, nachos & melted cheese in the place of an affordable fitness center! As usual, money talks while good sense walks.

          • more construction
            there's another fountain and park going in across the street from the current fountain so I wouldn't expect any improvements through the beginning of next year
          • Dueling Frat Bars
            Great Town council. I am a resident of the Village and im looking forward to the added belligerant drunk frat boys this bar will add!....as if Brothers Bar wasnt bad enough...
          • Glorious . .
            More booze and nachos = great with me. Let's build Rip into Indy's version of Lincoln Park..
          • Reading between the lines
            "The new user, though, should not change the 'intensity of automobile traffic' since most visitors in Broad Ripple 'walk to multiple destinations,' the planning department noted in its report."
            If the City thinks this huge new bar won't bring more cars into BR Village, then they are acknowledging that Kilroy's customers will be poached from the existing bars and restaurants. When new development hurts existing businesses, can it really be called development? Or did Kilroy's promise to line somebody's pocket downtown?
          • Re: Staff report
            You can't be serious, Cory. Do you think parking needs and traffic flow in BR have not changed in 24 years? A variance approved for something that long ago has no relevance to zoning matters today.
          • Re: Fat or Fitness
            If you don't like another bar and you like your Cardinal Fitness. Perhaps you should be writing a letter to LA Fitness who bought out that Cardinal location for the sole purpose of closing it down.
          • Handicapped
            I'm not sure of their reasoning, but it is makes sense to have places available for those who can't walk great distances. It is easy to forget handicapped people -- I do it myself at times. Handicapped people do go to the bars in Broad Ripple.
          • Pj
            La fitness did not buy out cardinal. That is false.
          • Parking Garage
            The 350 space parking to to give back some of the 750 spots take from homes in the neighborhood. To put in a busines that requires 119 additional spots would just flood the area with too much traffic!
          • Warfleigh resident
            Parking is totally not the problem with this development. The problem is Broad Ripple is ideally a "village" with a diversity of functions that occur during all hours. Another big bar pushes the area further from being a walking destination for nearby residents and more and more towards a nighttime drive-in bar mall for visitors. A fitness center is a place residents can use at all hours; a Kilroy's is another college hangout that further homogenizes the neighborhood with evening-only, visitor-only, and often disrespectful non-residents. I've already sent my letter against this development, but can't make the public hearing, unfortunately.
          • Huh?
            The parking concerns just reflect the midwestern small town mentality that any chosen destination should have a spot immediately available so the visitor can waddle a few steps to the front door.

            Indiana is filled with literally thousands of square miles of open spaces, and the suburbs of Indy have vast parking lots, stretching as far as the eye can see in many instances.

            Broad Ripple is one of the few spots in the entire state (!) to have a little density. So what if you have to take a bus, cab, or (heaven forbid) walk a few blocks to get to a bar. This cluster of restaurants, bars and shops is a real bright spot for the city. If you want easy parking - head on out to the 'burbs.

            Sad to see so many shallow-minded people spreading negativity about a new addition to an already great neighborhood.
          • Who parked in the lot anyway?
            The only people who utilized the parking lot there were the Cardinal Fitness patrons and the idiots who PAID to park there on the weekends. I rarely saw that lot full or even used on the weekends. No big loss. Hope the original plan comes to fruition eventually. More outdoor seating in BR!

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