So long, SoDo

June 30, 2009
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Sodo IndianapolisThe owners of a 1.3-acre parking lot southeast of Meridian and South streets have put the property up for sale, apparently putting an end to the dream of Legends District SoDo. Most real estate observers already had written off what would have been the largest private development in the city's history, but the potential sale of the deal's most important parcel seems to make it official. The $480-million SoDo plan called for condos, as many as three hotels, a theater and 175,000 square feet of retail space just south of downtown. The project was to cover 11 acres that are now home to parking lots, Subway and Arby’s restaurants and the former Chateau Thomas Winery. The lead developer, Ryan Zickler, confirmed the offering but said he didn't have time to discuss the SoDo project this morning. His partners on the project included Tim Shrout, the developer of Heartland Crossing. A post from November 2007 is here.
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  • Didn't have time to discuss the SoDo project? LOL... THAT is the reason projects like this don't come to fruition. This is just another example of someone who fancies themself a real developer and doesn't have a clue. Personally, I thought the project, as ambitious as it may have seemed, lacked any real sparkle to begin with. Three hotels and yet another theatre? Pass...
  • Maybe the project was not feasible and the owners are cutting their losses...

    Last time I checked developers do things to make money, not please wannabes on message boards.
  • Three hotel and a theatre...like caliboy28 stated is redundant. The project should have been three apartment towers and specialty shops that are unique to the downtown area and the surrounding areas of the circle. Downtown Indianapolis needs people and lots of it-not above ground parking lots. The more people that live downtown, the business would look to either move or open a new store downtown. All the spectacular buildings in the world doesn't matter at all if no one leaves there or make us of it to full capacity or potential. I think developers need to go back to the basics and create building that inviting and welcoming that is not to say that it shouldn't be creative and unique just that the human aspect of the project is key.
  • So SoDO went the way of the Dodo?

    This one was a long shot from the beginning.
  • If you will go back to the original post 11/9/07 you'll find I was not a negative Nancy . As in most of my posts, a realistic Nostradomus. You might also note my prediction of a massive market fall on 6/22 a few days ago. While I'm at it--my 2 year prognostication of the old INB refacing job would come in after the JW Marriot is topped off. I'm right on schedule. You are welcome.
  • While this news doesn't come as a surprise, my first reaction is relief. SODO seemed to be less about improving the city for the people who live there and more about a kind of theme park approach to urbanism, geared toward suburbanites, conventioneers, and tourists. I’m not suggesting those folks should be ignored, just not catered to at every turn. Downtown Indianapolis’ slow-and-steady development used to madden me, but having lived in several boomtowns (Raleigh, NC; Austin, TX) I now have examples of the downside of hasty and ill-conceived growth. Let’s not be afraid to innovate, but let’s know what we consider innovation. The south end of downtown has a rich history and much potential. Here’s hoping that as changes come, we get it right!
  • What's the update on the CVS at 16th & Meridian Street?
  • This pipe dream isn't going to happen? Shocking.
  • I'm not too bothered by this. I can only imagine how many prospective developments fail to come to fruition in bigger cities - particularly with the economy where it's at right now. The hope is that only the best and most appropriate actually do come through.

    Some would argue this has been the case in Indy, others (perhaps many others) would not.
  • What is the status of other projects like Ralston Square and the proposed project on Penn. I also saw some work inside the old Quiznos at Ohio/Delaware and the old J Gumbos, any idea on what is going in those places?
  • Borrowing from Casablanca, I'm shocked, shocked that this project never made it off the ground. Sounded goofy and grandiose out of the gate, much like that pie-in-the-sky high rise project west of Conseco. I assume that's toast too.

    I'm all for ideas and growth, but I always put the SoDo (gads what a ridiculous moniker) in the same category as the arch over the northwest side of downtown, the Indiana Tower at White River State Park, failed MSA site proposals, and a transportation center at the current post office east of Lucas Oil Stadium.

    For the life of me I don't understand how these dumb*ass ideas get any kind of serious ink or legitimacy.
  • Hate to engage in schadenfreude, but I'm glad to see this project gone. Kyle couldn't have put it better--this was a theme park. If it had actually been constructed, it would have died even sooner than Union Station (which generally had Circle Centre to blame). Find something more in keeping with real urbanism to fill this parcel.
  • Hmmm...so what large non-subsidized project hasn't failed lately? There have been a couple of small to midsize successful condo projects that are completed and still trying to sell units, but by and large, most of major projects proposed in the last decade have failed. One market square, Penn Centre, SoDo. Like one of the other guys said, I wonder what the fate of Ralston Square is, or that other 20ish storey tower that was proposed between the stadium and Eli Lilly?
  • CVS, 16th & Meridian: curb lane of northbound Meridian is closed, and they're pouring sidewalks and paving parking. Looks on track for opening later this year. Doesn't look like any CVS you've ever seen.

    It's been posted elsewhere that the Ohio/Delaware Quizno's will be a liquor store.

    Anybody know anything about the 22nd & Delaware development?
  • How does the CVS look now? I'm dying (not literally) to see a picture. :)
  • I'll bet the new CVS looks just like the new one in Bloomington between Walnut and College north of downtown.

    I haven't been anywhere NEAR that part of Indy, so that's a guess. I'll be surprised, but VERY pleased, if it doesn't.

    Sorry for the post unrelated to SoDo. Maybe with the lack of interesting real estate news in Indy, a post about the new CVS would be welcomed...
  • Here's the only picture I could find of the one in B-town. Am I right?

    http://www.cacard.indiana.edu/cacard/cvs.asp

    (yes I know, I did it again. Shame about SoDo.)
  • Is it true that the Ohio/Delaware Quizno's is going to be a liquor store? How disheartening. Only a block away from Wheeler Mission. Speaking as someone who volunteers at Wheeler, you'd think the liquor store manager deliberate sought this spot because of a built-in market.

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