Will 2012 chassis breath new life into IndyCar?

February 16, 2010
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Delta Wing’s proposal for a 2012 IndyCar Series rig sure is radical. Radical, man, radical!

Dallara, Lola and Swift also have some very interesting ideas. Open-wheel insiders in every corner are hoping the snazzy chassis concepts will breath new life into the sport. Sadly, I don’t think it will.

Sadder yet … the belief that it will shows how many in the sport have missed the point all these years.

It’s not the horse, it’s the jockey. It always has been, and it always will be. Only true gearheads and race nuts can tell you what powered Mario Andretti or A.J. Foyt to victory.

It’s not the machines they piloted that attracted legions of fans to open-wheel racing. Same as it’s not Ford and Chevy that drove people in large numbers to NASCAR.
 
It’s the personalities behind the wheels that drove such incredible brand loyalty to the machines the drivers drove and the services and products they pushed.

I’m not saying the IndyCar Series chassis isn’t in need of an update. But acting like this is the savior of the sport is wrong-headed.

Men like Dale Earnhardt and Richard Petty drove NASCAR into star status, the same way Foyt, Andretti, Rick Mears and the Unser brothers did in open-wheel. In its heyday, the series was full of colorful characters, from Gordon Smiley to the Whittington brothers—many of which never even made it to the winner’s circle.

Quite frankly, most of the people who packed the stands at Indy couldn’t tell you the difference between methanol and ethanol, or a stock-block or turbo-charged engine.

Those things didn’t drive people to the sport, and as kooky as the Delta Wing bat-mobile looks, it won’t either. Curious onlookers, yes, but those folks won’t stick around long enough to pay the bills. Maybe the new chassis will even garner a mention on ESPN SportsCenter (which is more than it’s gotten so far), but that exposure won’t be enough to build critical mass.

The IndyCar Series has floundered around trying to promote its drivers since 1996. But from Billy Boat to Buzz Calkins, they never had the cache to catch on.
 
Then there’s this; No American drivers. I count Marco Andretti, Danica Patrick and probably Ryan Hunter-Reay full-time and Sarah Fisher part-time. Ed Carpenter and Graham Rahal are currently on the outside looking in. So are a couple others with almost no chance of piloting an IndyCar in 2010.
 
And like it or not, no American drivers means no American fans.
 
The last time I checked, America is still the most sought after global market, with an expendable income base, even in a bad economy, like no other country. So going global is fine, but series officials better be able to make the series pay off on U.S. soil first.
 
Randy Bernard, CEO of Professional Bull Riders who will take over as president of the IndyCar Series March 1, is inheriting some difficult challenges. As successful as he’s been at that endeavor, I wouldn’t list bringing any bull-riding personalities into the forefront of American consciousness among his accomplishments.

To grow the open-wheel series beyond its precarious niche status, he’ll have to make the men bigger stories than the machines they pilot.
 

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  • Great article Anthony
    I agree with the premise of your article.

    However, when the apple cart was upset back in 1996, the collateral damage pretty much destroyed a UNITED FANBASE. To this day former AOW fans await the return of the sport. But, I argue, a chassis nor American flavor can sway the masses.

    As I say ad nauseum, the Speedway must seek to improve it's image, not through gimmicks and PR scams....but through admission of culpability in the destruction of the sport these past 14 years. EVERYONE knows it...the media, sponsors, fans, owners, promoters..EVERYONE.

    NOW is the time to start fresh, to say "HEY we messed up". Domino's Pizza has a marketing campaign underway that strives to put the customer (and their opinions) FIRST.

    Our imaginations have been captured by these "designs". But, without the foundation for the sport to grow I feel a new chassis now is wasted time and money....certainly not something either the sport nor the fan have to waste. Until an appeal is made, we can expect nothing but the same from the IRL....failure and destruction!

    AND, they can start by eliminating the IRL brand and just go with INDYCAR. IRL is associated with the split....no one wants (or needs to be) reminded of that horrible period in AOW's history. Do that...and the sport can be free to renew itself. Do nothing...and the sport will continue to die.
  • You Don't Know Jack
    You don't know Jack about what made the 500 special, or evidently anything about auto racing in general. How does IBJ feel your qualified to blog about it?
  • Izod Indycar Series
    33 Oscar Meyer weiner mobiles would draw a bigger crowd to a IRlcar leeg event. It's dead D.E.A.D. and nothing will bring it back. TOney spent 600 million dollars destroying the sport and the fanbase and those who remain in the leeg after TOney packed up and moved to FLORIDA have nothing left on which to build a new one. Good work indyman.
  • I know Jack...
    Anthony is quoted:

    "The IndyCar Series has floundered around trying to promote its drivers since 1996. But from Billy Boat to Buzz Calkins, they never had the cache to catch on."

    With American flavor and more OVALS to shake a stick at 1996 and on...WHY is the leegue and 500 suffering? Why are they in BRAZIL? I would suggest Anthony has a firm grasp on the business aspects of the Speedway and the IRL.

  • Mr. Allen
    As an indycentric fan of indy, and not so much a fan of open wheel racing,( I gathered that by noticing anytime someone talks about open wheel racing, you indycentric indy fans always respond with an indy-centered response, no matter that the writer said nothing about indy in his article, it's just knee-jerk reaction from you indycentric placefans).

    Please spend a few moments to enlighten the writer on the aura surrounding Tom's announcement, "It's a new track record!" which hasn't been heard since 1990 something when Arie drove his CART Reynard, about the time TOney started running things.
  • Missing the Whittingtons
    Another good article, Anthony. Anyone who mentions the Whittingtons in the same article as Andretti must know a bit about Indy 500 lore so donâ??t let those overly-rabid fanatics bother you.
    I do think the IRL tried to promote its drivers in the past years via print ads and broadcast but, truth is, their PR machine doesnâ??t have the mediaâ??s ears like NASCAR does. They now have a weekly show on Showtime and even got that gawd awful Jimmy Johnson 24/7 series produced by HBO.
    Youâ??re right that American born drivers attract American racing fans. Those red, white and blue â??good old boysâ?? from NASCAR touch the American racing heart much better than a collection of Brazilians, New Zealanders and Scotsmen. Other than Helioâ??s IRS troubles, you never read about IRL drivers doing anything outside of racing.
    The new chassis design is still a step in the right direction as the IRL could attract the North American Formula One racing fans that are as much in love with the technology of the F1 race cars as they are the series drivers. The new design might also keep AOW/IRL fans interested for a few more years even as the quality of drivers and their racing continues to decline.
    Iâ??m most concerned with the hiring of Bernard as the last-chance savior for a floundering AOW racing series heâ??s never seen in person. Why the poobahs on the IRL/IMS board would hire a bull-rider PR man for this critical position at this crucial time says they either drank some bad kool-aid or that probably nobody relevant in racing wanted to go near this doomed from the start job.
  • Anthony,

    I think you may have slept through the 15+ years of the IRL. You want brand names that the IRL has brought to the public? Tony Stewart, Helio, Marco Andretti, Sam Hornish Jr, Danica, and Dario Franchitti to name a few. Names that most casual racing fans would recognize. You want colorful non winners? Characters like Loyd Ruby or George Snider? I mean who is more colorful than Jack Miller the racing dentist(used to do dental examines for the poor out of a Crest trailer at the tracks), or the Lazier Brothers going from good equipment to bad and doing pretty well with either? How about Sarah Fisher? I would bet the IRL has about as colorful a group of racers as any decade in IMS history.

    I would disagree that only treadheads knew what kind of equipment was running Indy. I think most people who were there to watch the race knew their favorite driver was in a Penske/Ilmor or a Menard/Buick or a Dallara/Olds. In fact most here probably could name the famous drivers of those cars. Look at NASCAR and tell me those fans do not know what their favorite drivers drive. Of course the diversity of name plates in NASCAR is just that, name plates. There is not an ounce of difference in a Chevy or a Ford or a Toyota. Just stickers.


    You bemoan the lack of American Drivers in the IRL. How many Americans were in cart the last few years? How many won a championship? The haters will rail on how the IRL killed Ow, but look at where cart was going in 1995. Foreign drivers, foreign tracks, road courses, ignoring American talent because they had skills but no cash. The IRL vision attempted to preserve that.

    Unfortunately attempts to lure cart fans to the IRL after cart went under have dilluted the vision of an American centered league.

    You say that people do not care about this chassis competion? I have not seen this much coverage of open wheel car design since they put wings on them. Like it or hate it, people are talking about it. People are picking favorites. I think it was a very smart move to make this a public competition and the IRL is riding all of the free press. In addition, asking it to be built in America, and especially in Indiana is a further wise marketing move. Already three of the four companies have agreed to do so. Good PR yet again.

    Finally. I think it speaks well of the IRL and its future that 4 respected car makers are willing to pour large amounts of money into a design competition for the IRL, and millions more to build the winning design. I doubt they would risk that much if they thought the plug was going to be pulled in a couple of years. Sorry haters, but your predictions will be wrong again.
  • still missing the point
    Tony and Sam left. The IRL for whatever reason hasn't been able to leverage Danica to move the needle on TV ratings or race attendance (yet NASCAR did almost immediately), and Marco and Dario have not yet proven saleable. Certainly not to a mass audience. The masses flock to personalities. And big-time sponsors flock to the masses. If you want AutoZone as your sponsor, I'd say the IRL might be on the right track. If you're going after Coke, Coors, M&Ms and Kellog's, I'd say the IRL is woefully off course. Here's the proof, IEG figures show before the split (when the sport fostered and promoted bigger-than life personalities), open-wheel racing brought in more than $400 million annually in sposnorship money. Now, open-wheel doesn't bring in one-fourth of that.
  • IndyCar
    Gee whiz, Anthony, Indyman is right, promo is on the up and up. And the cars do matter.

    Shoot, back in the hey days, most people outside of the midwest didn't know Foyt from Rahal unless they were interested in auto racing. Cable channels have taken auto racing to a new level as well as nascar sponsors focusing on the drivers. Indycar needs to do the same thing. DP didn't light up the southern track hysteria just because she came there. It was because of her background at Indy/IndyCar and her self promotion.

    Then you talk about foreign drivers. Do you think Americans are all just prejudiced in favor of Americans? Huh? Where was Mario born? Italy How about Hill, Clark, Brabham, Fittipaldi, Mansell, Lyendyk? Heck Americans loved 'em. Real fans didn't care where they came from.

    Even today, with all the foreign drivers you refer to. How many of them don't live in America?

    Mike Conway
    Robert Doornbos
    Will Power
    EJ Viso

    All the others have taken up residence in America. Doesn't that make them part of the melting part of an Internation Brotherhood that we are with all being welcome to come in and be part of us? Oh, and by the way, these folks all did it the right way.

    Do you honestly think Dario or Dixie or Vitor or Tracy aren't appreciated as much as Patrick or Hunter-Reay? C'mon let's get on with the positive bandwagon. These folks are living and working in the good 'ol USA.
  • big problem
    The big problem with Dixon and Dario and most of the other IRL drivers is they have the personality of a pitch fork. This is entertainment boys, lighten up and say something worth listening to. If you watched the NASCAR race, it was half-way interesting even during the chuck-hole breaks to see who was eating a peanut-butter sandwich and who was eating a power bar or drinking a coke. And who was shooting the sh-- with who, and what they had to say. And they said stuff that the masses can relate to. The IRL, on the other hand seems to be manned by a bunch of autobot drivers. Even Helio seems contrived, and fans see right through that.
  • On the foreign drivers, I was responding to Anthony's comment "Then thereâ??s this; No American drivers." With some drivers, it is hard to tell unless they speak. Dixon, Wheldon, Power, etc... I just have an issue with a league that ignores talented drivers because they cannot bring cash to the table. On the other hand, would most Americans want to watch a race where there are no Americans? I think that is one reason F1 has not caught on here.
  • Anybody Seen Jack?
    Okay, so my intitial comment may have been a bit of a knee jerk, but I couldn't get past the horse & jockey thing. Who rode Man of War? Who rode Secretariat? Uh huh. My point is it's not about the Car or the Driver. It's about the Spectacle. Am I being Indycentric? Heck Yeah! For around 7 decades in the 20th Century that is what Indianapolis truly was. The Greatest Spectacle in Racing! It's about Pushing the Edge of the Envelope. Guts are what Indy needs. Roger, A.J., Parnelli, Mario, Rick, Bobby, Al etc. didn't need any marketing. They won the Greatest Spectacle in Racing. Chip Ganassi, Ben Bowlby & the folks at Delta Wing are showing some by presenting this bold design. They're not saying it's the only answer. They're just asking the rest of the racing community to have some guts too. Of course we have all have lots of opinions on the subject & this discourse is good. For now I'm going to come up w/a good alias. Maybe Jack?
  • Rumors are that the delta wing would allow for faster speeds which is part of the spectacle. granted it won't be Carnegie, but someone would be bellowing about the new track record.
  • Viso-Moraes Fever. Catch it!
    Ah come one, Anthony! Just ask any, virtually any auto racing fan on any street corner in America and they'll tell you all you want to know about iconic racing figures EJ Viso, Mario Moraes, Vitor Meira, Robert Doornbos, Rafa Matos, Ryan Briscoe, I mean I could go on and on! What red-blooded All-American kid playing with Hot Wheels and racing video games from San Diego to Bangor, from Seattle to Key West doesn't wanna grow up to be just like Hideki Mutoh? Come on! The Indy 500 - Noise! Speed! Gut! Mutoh!
  • There was nothing wrong in 1994
    Let ME tell you what happened:

    A terrible error was made when the IRL was created. It severed the fanbase and forced sponsors and participants fleeing the sinking ship of AOW. Letting NASCAR in has diminished the speedway's legacy and severely damaged it's credibility.

    Throwing a new chassis at THAT will not fix the problems of AOW. Again, the speedway must be culpable if it wants to assume a leadership role in the future of AOW. It, to this point, has not shown itself to be capable of that task.

    Sorry, but the Speedway DUG itself this hole, a deep one, and is firmly entrenched in it. Learn something from this nursery rhyme:

    Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall,
    Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;
    All the kingâ??s horses and all the kingâ??s men
    Couldnâ??t put Humpty together again.
  • Go for broke.
    Yes, NASCAR is popular because it's American fans cheering for American drivers. But Tony alienated the old CART wine and cheese crowd back in '96 while he chased after NASCAR; and then he alienated the good ol' American boy crowd back in the early 2000's when he got back in bed with the CART leadership. So now the aura of Indy has been destroyed and the only thing that is going to get it back is going for broke.

    IndyCar simply needs to let 'em loose. Let's set some new speed records. Let's put some fearless rocket jockeys back in the cars. Sure the racing will suffer but it never was about the quality of the racing back in Indycar's heyday anyway.

    In the 70's and 80's we routinely had two cars on the lead lap at the end of the race with the victor winning by two miles, but the race had a cutting edge aura and mystique with great personalities pushing their cars to the limit -- and the Indy 500 was the center of the racing universe.
  • On second thought
    Or maybe the modern day IRL isn't popular simply because we don't live in Indianapolis, Brazil.
  • Two things Chief, first you say TG made a mistake by severing the ties which killed cart. I am still trying to figure out how that action killed such a well run, and successful series. Again, that would be like saying Daytona starting the American Stock Car Series would kill NASCAR. There would have to be fundamental problems with NASCAR for that to happen.

    Second you feel like the IRL needs to plead guilty for destroying cart (your image of what ow should be). Shouldn't the team owners who started cart apologize for trying to make a power play to diminish Indy while trying to take total control over all aspects? They killed the golden goose.
  • Ha
    The Indy 500 has not been run since 1995. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to be institutionalized and is incapable of coherent discussion on motorsport of any kind.

    Nothing will save the 'league'. Nothing.

    It never has been popular or successful, and never will be.

    code = 3yegc
  • Would there be a room available next to you?
  • horse and car comparison
    I'm not sure the horse and jockey comparison is wholly appropriate. Comparing Secretariat to a spec car certainly isn't appropriate. The IndyCar Series shouldn't be about making it so cheap a bunch of folks can get in the sport. IndyCar should make its mission making the sport appealing enough to draw enough sponsors to raise the cash so that driver recruitment, retention and marketing is much better. And so that the sport has enough money to be cutting-edge. How cutting edge can a car be for $600,000? Seriously, making the sport inexpensive and making it cutting-edge just don't jibe. Make the sport appealing, bring in the dollars, that should be goal No. 1 for Randy Bernard.
  • Indy 500
    Stan,

    Ashley Judd and Helio's momma likes it. So does Indyman and Gomer. What more could you ask for?

    Goodness....some people just can't be satisfied!!!
  • Denial
    Indyman.... ARE there PROBLEMS with AOW and the Speedway TODAY, in the year 2010?

    If YES...then you must explore the reasons why.

    If NO...then you must continue your path.

    THAT'S exactly the problem....NO ONE is willing to realize or admit they made a mistake. Therefore the entire sport suffers because of it. I feel very comfortable having the 500 and AOW rot under it's control.....less people to blame.
  • Purveyor of rational discourse
    The Indy 500 was never run from 1979 through 1995. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to be institutionalized and is incapable...

    Oh wait a minute I'm an intelligent, mature, grown man. I am capable of realizing that simply because it is my opinion does not make it a universal truth shared by all people. Trying to mix opinion with fact is like wearing brown shoes with a black tuxedo.
  • Everyone is to blame
    Ever since the plane crash in '77 the powers of Indy Car racing have made one bad decision after another, while NASCAR has made one good decision after another. I wish that I had been born and raised in Daytona or Charlotte so that me and my city could be on the winning side.

    Everyone points to Jeff Gordon as an example of NASCAR's genius over Indy Car's stupidity, but I think that Tim Richmond is a better example. A talented, good looking guy with a great and lovable personality who wanted to go Indy Car racing but couldn't find a backer so he went to NASCAR. Meanwhile the CART boys were adding lucrative street and road racing festivals in an oval racing country so they had to go overseas to find experienced drivers.

    You're never going to go far trading Tim Richmond for Teo Fabi unless you cut down to two or three American races and spend the rest of the year racing abroad.

    It doesn't make Americans xenophobic, it's simply part of the human condition. Back in the mid-90's at the Rio CART race all of the Brazilian drivers had been eliminated from contention with about twenty laps to go, and by the time the checkered flag dropped the stands were nearly empty.

    If you're going to have drivers from all over the world, then you must race all over the world, and you should quit trying to be an American series racing in front of disinterested fans.
  • Stupid fat fingers
    I shouldn't wait an hour before I proofread. Make that the plane crash of '78.
  • Speaking of '77
    Although 1977 was the year that the other huge event took place that helped transform Indy car racing. The death of Tony Hulman when Indy Car lost its powerful father figure which allowed the inmates to organize and decide to run the asylum for their own benefit instead of the long term viability of the series.

    You know, the old "Let's get our cash while we can. Sure street races are boring and they'll force us to employ foreign drivers and we'll lose our fan base eventually, but they are in cities and they draw large high paying crowds. We'll all be dead in thirty years anyway so what do we care if there is no Indy Car series in 2010."
  • iman's fantasies
    it doesn't require "large amounts of money" to make computer mockups from previous designs. Also, contrary to your delusions, the companies aren't going to be giving anything away. your mentor TOney is the only one willing to spend 600 milion dollars for no apparent reason and with no Return on Spending
  • Ha Ha
    Tim Richmond? That is the last thing OW needed. Do you know anything about him or his lifestyle? Him and TG did have alot in common. Meanwhile Floyd Ganassi says the Daytona 500 is his favorite racing victory. The hits just keep on coming at 16th and Jonestown. OW is still just a plane crash away from being great again. Of course it depends who is on the plane and how big of an impact crater it makes.
  • Not sure where you get your "truth" from truth, but computer designs are more than drawing a picture. For the team that is selected, millions will be involved in R&D and production, money that will take years to recoup. You really need to take off the cart glasses and think for once.
  • Chief,

    I have explored the problems, ad nauseum on this blog. The problems started with cart and its structure. The greed of the owners caused them to chase after the almighty dollar, and not for the long term good of the league. That was the prime mover. I have also documented the mistakes the irl has made. But the majority of the blame lands right on the owners.
  • history repeating itself
    Indyman is right, there will be millions in R & D and production, just like with the Falcon and Riley & Scott EARL sleds. Two more in a long line of failures on TG's watch. LMAO. Whatever happened to Frank's Energy Hot Dog water? Wasn't that going to be a big EARL sponsor a couple of years back?
  • Brett's Plane Crash
    You're right Brett, the only thing Indy Car really needs is another plane crash. With the right people on the plane Indy car could regain some of its popularity. Who are the People? The "fans" who have become nothing more than bitter little haters harboring no real interest in making Indy Car racing great.

    Seat 14C Brett in Indy
    Seat 21D Stan
    Seat 37A Chief

    Granted it would take a few Airbus 380's to hold all of the people determined to destroy the future of American open wheel racing with their defeatist attitudes, but it's worth a try.

    When is a good time for your flight Brett?
  • Success is NOT GOOD?
    No one is saying re-invent CART business model...you are all psycho if you believe that.

    Tearing apart the very fibers of the soul of Indy racing is what destroyed it. CART got TOO successful...that's WHY the speedway started the IRL. FOR CONTROL.

    Now they have CONTROL. Nothing got done, nothing is gonna get done. Yup, just the way you Indy bootlickers wanted....NO SUCCESS...not in business, not in AOW racing.

    Call me a hater? I GUARANTEE YOU I would NEVER have sacrificed INDY tradition to finance an AOW war like the HULMAN GEORGE family did. The Speedway is GUILTY for allowing it all to happen.

    I'd gladly ride a nuke just like Slim Pickens did if it was dropped on IMS...just so we could start all over again. WHY? BECAUSE THE IRL SUCKS. What came before it was GREAT...NONE of YOU can deny it. But then again, you all want FAILURE. Enjoy it.
  • Harsh
    That's a bit, Harsh, Amelia. Just a bit harsh.
  • my 0 my
    Like a bad car crash, I ca't keep myself away from this smoldering mess.

    Turn the lights off, its over.
  • Da Hooey
    Seems to me, Hooey, that you came and turned the lights back on! Anyway, not much has been said about the fact that so many race fans of open wheel were all about the speed record being set most years at the 500. When that stopped, well we know what happened. Perhaps the same thing will happen to the olympics when records can no longer be broken because maximum human potential has been reached (unless they decided to cheat or augment the event tools).

    IndyCar racing thus has mostly about the 500 and the speed records. Sorry, but most people (excluding the real racing fans) outside the midwest or where the cars ran didn't know Foyt from Andretti. nascar, on the other hand, became known for the cars and the stars. So, unless this new bunch can figger out a way to promote the he** out of the IndyCar drivers, as DP has done for herself, Hooey's likely to be correct somewhere down the road.

    Oh, if we could only put the fun back in the racin'. Sigh........
  • We need better fans
    Reading the tired comments here from people who can't figure out the "split" is over. We need a fresh crop of fans AND sports writers who don't have the baggage and lame put-downs of the 1990's.
  • First you say "No one is saying re-invent CART business model" which is interesting because for years you have been saying how successful it was, and then in the same post you say "CART got TOO successful..". if cart was so successful, why wouldn't you want to replicate it? You do not want to be too successful?

  • imans problems
    Your viewpoint is exactly why the AOW sport is in the dumper. You can't even admit the racing that took place during CART's years was good. Yet, you lap up IMS control of the sport...accept ride buyers and strett races, engine leases and foreign chassis...accept just about everything that CART was just because it's got an IRL sticker on it.

    I agree with Paul's comments. This sport is screwed up.
    • oh, I forgot...
      The IRL has been in the RED ever since it's inception....to the tune of $600 million dollars. As a business it's a flop too, and the only distinction between it and a long dead AOW series is it exists....in its zombie like state, much to the delight of Indyman who continues to whistle past the graveyard.
    • I never discussed the racing, I discussed the business model. The racing was interesting, but they did not have the consistently close racing that the IRL has. I am sure the spec factor has a lot to do with that, but I would rather see a race decided by feet than by miles which many cart races were decided by.

      I know, rattling off the same $600 million figure without any backing. I will choose to go with Anthonys number of $250 million. That said, when was the last time cart made a profit? How many hundreds of millions in investors money did they throw down the tubes? At least TG was using his own money and not gullible investors.

      It is sad that neither was able to make a profit. Hopefully changes that have been made and an improving economy will make it profitable. I did find it interesting that NASCAR is losing money in this economy and is looking at cutting some races, raising fees or cutting back in some aspects of their business model.
    • Fascinating
      I find it fascinating that you have to point to failures of others to find IRL successes.

      It is, in fact, an excellent tactic that has suited the Speedway quite well these past 14 years. YOU are an eggspert at it for sure. You don't have a pilots license I hope...
    • Izod Indycar Series
      The Daytona track repair viewing audience was 33% larger than the 2009 IRl 500 viewing audience.

      The two delays combined averaged a 6.5/14
    • iman's issues
      according to its SEC filings, it was profitable every year. In fact, CART was so profitable that one team could pay two F1 World champions to drive for it at the same time. and it didn't have to loot 600 million from family members to do so.
    • Two words for you...
      Takuma Sato. Now, that boy could push the cushion over at the speeddrome. Living the vision so good Americans can get a chance too.
    • Izod Indycar Series
      Where F1 backmarkers slum
    • iman's fantasies
      nobody is going to invest millions of dollars in the IRL; the sisters took care of that. the IRL doesn't have years 1 and a half at most. where are all the red hats? where are the ISC track paks? where is all the loot TOney was funneling thru IMS? 5000 might show at Kansas this year; could be less.
    • One word: TECATE
      New TECATE promotion...buy TEcate and get $100 off of Long Beach IRL ticket. Looks like Long Beach is suffrening from the economy too...Bwahahhahhahaha!

      IF the IRL gave away Tecate for ever tix sold...well, Tecate wouldn't pass the lips of many for sure.... when no one wants it, give it away....The upside-down trickery of IRL marketing.

    • So you're leaving Chief?
      Glad you agree with me, so you're leaving our sport to be replaced with some one who knows how to enjoy racing? Thank you!
    • Nobody Agrees with Paul
      that's why he talks to himself

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