If you’re still waiting to see the kind statement former Indiana University basketball coach Bob Knight releases about
the late John Wooden, you can probably cease the vigil.
Knight and Wooden were giants of the sport, and no two men advanced the game, and quite frankly, advanced the business of
the game, more than these two.
But the truth is, they didn't like each other.
Knight has publicly stated that Wooden let the likes of Sam Gilbert, a notorious booster who allegedly provided some UCLA
players with gifts in violation of NCAA rules, remain far too close to the Bruins’ program.
Knight was even quoted as saying you won’t find anyone like Gilbert loitering around the IU program while he was coach.
Clearly, Knight thought Wooden turned a blind eye to things he shouldn’t have, allowing UCLA alums to buy talent that
fueled the school's magical hoops run of the 1960s and 1970s.
Wooden respected Knight’s coaching ability, but quite frankly, didn’t like the way he went about it. And he wasn’t
shy about saying so publicly.
“I wouldn’t want anybody I love to play for Bob Knight,” Wooden once said.
Wooden did soften somewhat.
“People think I don't like him,” Wooden said of Knight more recently. “I don’t think there's
ever been a better coach than Bobby Knight. Do I like the way he teaches? No, I don’t. I never cared for it, but nevertheless.”
Not exactly a resounding compliment, but Knight was never effusive in his praise of Wooden either—despite the 10 national
championships he compiled at UCLA.
Knight, ever respectful of the men who walked his career path before him and the history of the game, often lavishes praises
on the likes of Henry Iba and Clair Bee, but rarely, if ever, on the so-called Wizard of Westwood, a deity in the sport of
college basketball, especially in Indiana, where Knight most notably plied his trade and won three NCAA national titles.
Maybe part of the rift was merely competitive juices flowing in opposite directions. Their teams collided more than once
on the hardwood in the 1970s.
Despite their differences, the on-court wars and their different approaches, the two actually have some very important similarities.
First, neither one came anywhere close to maximizing their own personal fortune in the sport of college basketball.
Wooden, amazingly, never made more than $32,500 annually. Least you think this was just a product of Wooden’s era,
remember, there were no shortage of coaches knocking down $150,000 or more in the mid and late 1970s.
Unthinkable that some coach somewhere during the same era in college basketball would make four or five times as much as
Wooden. But he never complained about it.
Knight too lived on a relatively small salary. Sure he knocked down five to 10 times what Wooden did, but only half of some
of his Big Ten counterparts. Again, to think Knight’s pay wouldn’t be tops in the Big Ten year-in and year-our
is kind of crazy. But that’s the way it was, and IU didn’t have to enter the arms race until Knight’s departure.
Now, IU pays coach Tom Crean in excess of $2 million annually.
Knight and Wooden certainly helped commercialize what we now know as March Madness, but neither imbibed much in the fruits
of their own labor.
Money clearly never moved these two titans.
Two things did move this complex duo; winning and principle.
And it was those two things that likely drove a wedge between them. Both men wanted to win so bad, maybe they never quite
got over their on-court run-ins, or the inevitable comparisons that dogged them.
You think Knight still doesn’t dream about Steven Downing’s fifth foul in the 1973 NCAA tournament game against
UCLA. Think again.
For both men, living by principle meant doing things their way—and only their way. Knight wasn’t the only one
of the two to tell players my way or the highway. Ask Bill Walton—and his beard—about that.
Problem was, their ways were far different. Wooden was a golly doggone kinda guy, while Knight never met a swear word he
couldn’t make good use of in a practice or game-time huddle.
Wooden liked to philosophize, Knight preferred to intimidate.
Though their teaching styles were vastly different, both valued education on and off the court, with graduation rates that
far exceeded NCAA mandates.
Both were seen as mavericks, even radicals, in their coaching styles.
Both got results.
Both thought they played it straight by the book.
In the end, both were fiercely loyal to the players who stayed loyal to them, and to the game they loved without reservation.
They were both madly possessed with winning and doing things right, and Knight and Wooden both thought they chose the correct
path to that end.
And who am I to say otherwise?








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I think you are repeating tripe that you didn't bother to research. There may be dirt there, but that sure as hell doesn't make Wooden dirty, or the inferior of someone prone to temper tantrums and mental and verbal abuse.
When did Gilbert get there? Do you know?
NCAA basketball title at UCLA during the 1963-64 season. Gilbert's gifts to UCLA players from the mid 1960s through the early
1980s is well documented, so I won't go into all that here. Even Bill Walton, in a 1978 book he co-authored, acknowledged that fact. Wooden,
for his part, denied any knowledge of improprieties on Gilbert's part, adding that it was impossible to limit his players
access to the man. Thanks as always for reading.
For Wooden, we have all heard the stories of Gilbert, but any evidence that anything wrong occurred or that Wooden was guilty of embracing Gilbert or looked the other way has not gone beyond the allegation stage. But even it did, it would have been a small blemish in the overall body of life work contributed by Wooden. I'm sure that Wooden had his sins, but to use Knight as a "model for life" over Wooden is basically preposterous. Plus, for most of us, its hard to justify the means justifying the end, as Knight certainly extolled in his manipulation of players.
Lastly, while I believe that it is important to forgive transgressions, it would be nice if the General ever demonstrated some remorse for any of his past embarrassments, and at the same time, that he recognize the contributions of others who didn't patronize him (we all also recall how he turned on Coach K, when the latter said he didn't gain all his learning from Knight). But in the final analysis, it really came down to one metric that polarized Knight against Wooden, the 10 NCAA Championships to Knight's 3, a scorecard he can't live with.
Purdue was the consensus mythical national basketball in 1932, and Purdue was formally named the National Champions by the Helms Athletic Foundation that year, when Wooden was a senior. As noted above, the NCAA tournament was still 7 years away.
As for Purdue's Helms Foundation championship...
It was not awarded after the 1932 season. The Helms Foundation wasn't even in existence until 1936. The Helms Foundation eventually went back and retroactively picked champions from years past years and even decades after the fact. There is a big difference between going into a tourney and dealing with the pressure of knowing you are playing for a championship and having to beat someone for a championship vs. just playing the regular season and years later someone saying you were best. If the NFL did things that way the Colts would be last years champs.
The NCAA downplays anything that happened before them and anything that is not branded NCAA.
To say Purdue will never win a NCAA Bball Championship shows the ignorance of some "iu" fans. My guess is they never have set foot on the campus. But I am betting that Purdue will get a championship long before iu gets a sweet 16.
Of course thank the General for starting the train wreck that is iu bball. Interesting that his arrival built it up and his departure began the fall.
Wooden was a fine man and a good coach. The fact that his former players stayed in contact with him 35+ years later is a testament to that. He could never, ever pull that off today with the parity and with the media hounds out there always looking for dirt. Wooden should have had more control over his program.
While a Knight supporter and an IU graduate, he was a total hardass. But no question he is the best coach to date.
This is not at all comparable to a Notre Dame football championship voted on by writers at the time. Purdue was not awarded this "championship" after the season. It was voted on YEARS LATER. Most of these people never even saw the Purdue team play, the Purdue team didn't face any pressure going into the last few games knowing they were ranked number one and had a championship on the line. Nothing like that at all. Again, the Helms Foundation went back and retroactively decided years and even decades after the games were played who their champion was for each year. It has no more bearing than me forming the Todd Foundation today and retroactively naming the Colts football champions for last year.
A championship awarded years after the games happened with a team that never had to face the pressure of competing for a championship is absolutely meaningless.
Hell, IU was named UPI national champion in 1975 and I believe 1993 too but you don't hear any IU fans going around claiming six or seven titles. We claim the championships that were won on the court when teams had to rise to the moment to claim a championship.
In the end though, it really doesn't matter. You play for the NCAA championship. IU has five and Purdue has none. That's why IU is always ranked among the greatest programs in the history of college basketball and Purdue is never even in the conversation.
iu is no longer in the national discussion on greatness. That is for the UCLA's, UK's, Duke, NC etc.... Teams that have done something positive in Bball in the last quarter century.
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf
Now I am waiting for the onslaught of Purdue engineering/math/science student/fan jokes that will be used to rebut this attempt at an objective ranking (let alone I'm not arguing Purdue deserves to be ranked higher - just in the same conversation). Then again, objective concepts are most likely difficult for the average IU fan to grasp. With all the bitter vitrol of the IU fans posting on this thread, I could have sworn Baghdad Bob was here. Is trying to belittle Purdue your version of a safety blanket? With the state of your basketball program, god knows you need it. Let it out son. Daddy's here.
Lastly, for all those fans that say Purdue only won games back when nobody cared, this ranking takes into consideration wins/losses after 1937-1938. It doesn't even take into consideration the "mythical", unicorn-tear national championship of Purdue.
While winning the National Championship is the ultimate goal, I don't believe that lack of should shape the entire season. By this logic Maryland is a superior program to Ohio State since they have won a NCAA Championship in the past 50 years, despite the fact OSU has been highly ranked consistently and provided us with some exciting teams too watch over that span. I'm not knocking Maryland, just an example.
If winning the National Championship every season, which no team has done, is the vantage point of greatness. I think all schools are equally guilty for fielding inept teams season after season, despite the 20 plus win seasons they provide.
I'll buy IU has been terrible or inept the past three seasons, but inept for the past 25 years is beyond comprehension. I think fans need to get back to earth and realize that winning the NCAA is no easy feat and not the ultimate gauge of program. Teams that win and are ranked should not consider inept, but careless postings should.
I wonâ??t argue the Purdue point, Purdue has put together some great teams over the years and their current teams would be considered inept by a previous posters response, but these inept teams provided 20 plus wins seasons, national attention, national rankings and millions of dollars of revenue to their athletic program.
I really wish that Knight and Wooden had some type of positive closure since they are both coaching Icons, with vastly different styles.
I could have coached some of those UCLA teams to the championship in the 1960s. Often times the Bruins second team was far better than their competition.
Obviously Bob Knight had anger and rage issues, and he was often emotionally abusive as a motivational tool and sometimes physically abusive as well. That is wrong - did you get that? I had to grow up and admit that the coach of my school's team was clearly and majorly flawed. Why can't you admit that Wooden knew or should have known why he had the country's top recruits every year that Gilbert was involved in the payola? Snap out of it!