Could the Indianapolis Motor Speedway lose its place on the NASCAR Sprint Cup schedule?
What would have seemed utterly ridiculous a few years ago, may not seem so ridiculous now. Speedway officials said they absolutely
want to continue the event, and insist it remains profitable.
NASCAR honcho Brian France, however, has IMS officials scratching their heads over comments he made at an impromptu press
conference before Sunday’s Brickyard 400. He indicated that Indianapolis’ July calendar date could be shipped
to Kentucky Speedway.
You must be joking? Well, this is Brian France, so maybe not.
“It’s no secret Kentucky is talking about having a Sprint Cup event and it’s not that far away and it has
implications to Michigan (Speedway) and here from a geographic standpoint,’’ France told reporters at the IMS.
But what does that mean for the IMS? It’s difficult to say, but one thing is clear.
NASCAR officials aren’t about to sit idly by and watch attendance continue to decline. This year, NASCAR race attendance
is down about 20 percent. At Indianapolis, it was much worse than that. Several newspapers reported this morning that there
was an estimated crowd of 140,000 in attendance at this year’s Brickyard 400, down about 40,000 from last year. I’d
like to know who was doing the estimation. I’d say the crowd was more like 100,000, unless lots more people were hanging
out at the man-made beach than I thought. Remember, this is a race that drew at least 275,000 fans less than a decade ago.
I attended several NASCAR events Thursday and Friday, and there’s a consensus that something needs to change with this
race to restore some energy to it.
One common theme was a desire to add lights to the storied Brickyard and move the race to Saturday night. Team owners, drivers
and sponsors agreed that would likely increase the television audience and give fans attending the event some relief from
the mid-day heat, which may be keeping them away in droves these days.
Qualifications could be held Thursday or Friday night, and the lights would also give the track flexibility for other activities.
Most estimates I’ve obtained peg the price of installing lights around the 2.5-mile oval at under $5 million. That could
easily be recouped in increased ticket sales in a year or two.
There’s a lot at stake for the Speedway. The IMS has long used profits from its NASCAR race to prop up its other enterprises,
namely the Indy Racing League.
Now that the Brickyard 400's annual revenue stream has shrunk from $30 million in the mid 1990s to $10 million or less
this year, dramatic action may be necessary by Speedway officials.
IMS CEO Jeff Belskus has some difficult decisions to make. He has a track record of being a conservative, quick to protect
tradition and slow to make big changes. But remember, he was the Speedway’s chief financial officer before he replaced
Tony George just more than a year ago.
The kind of declining revenue he’s seeing from the Brickyard 400 might be just the motivation he needs to step outside
the box.








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This is about as laughable as in 2008 when NASCAR suggested IMS re-grind the track in order to help their tires that failed.
So how exactly did they get 275,000 (your number) with no general admission a few years ago? 20,000 in the suites? Please.
Race cars that aren't modified stock - check.
Economy in the tank - check.
Paternalistic sanctioning body "rules" - check.
No Lights for night running - check.
How many of these are actually contributing factors that IMS and/or NASCAR can address?
The top two are entirely beyond the control of either group. I'd note that not just attendance, but also TV viewership, is down across the board for ALL racing, not just NASCAR. Until the economy improves - or a drastic change is made in the formats (hint - the 500 did reasonably well during the Great Depression), the track - and the sanctioning bodies - are just going to have to bite the bullet. (the Indy 500 wasn't suspended until after Pearl Harbor)
READ real S-L-O-W...that 400 race has been a snoozer for 17 years. ISC and IRL are at odds about IRL track rentals like Watkins GLen and Kanasas. When you kill the legacy of the Indy 500 with the IRL (started in 1996) and you bring in NASCAR to finance the IRL, well, you git what you play for.
The opening video sequence on ESPN yesterday depicted it all with the great open wheel racers to Mario Andretti...and then larger then life JEFF GORDON pops up like AOW died in 1969 and took over.
You see, the cows are coming home to roost. IMS, you played and LOST. NASCAR is laughing all the way to the bank...for KENTUCKY! Brian France is throwing you the finger....maybe you should keep siding with Eddie Gossage or Bruton Smith some more. IMS dolts....
Anthony- I believe your numbers, SuperD has been wrong more times than anyone can remember. Insider? ha!
Sorry, no one is taking your bait.
Ok, Is Kentucky a threat? They seat 66,000. So it would cut the attendance by more than half if they moved it there. Not sure what France is smoking. I am not sure you could fit 150,000 seats at the track.
Here are the issues for the Brickyard. Economy. has to be one of the number 1 issues, it is hitting all sports, especially one where people travel long distances to attend.
Weather. As with the 500, 90 degree heat with a baking sun is going to cause fair weather fans to think twice.
Over exposure of the brand. When you run as many races as NASCAR does, there becomes an overkill. NASCAR has driven off many traditional fans by leaving tracks such as Rockingham and replacing them with fancy superspeedways, replacing good old boy drivers with pretty boys, and taking the traditional "factory" cars and replacing them with identical spec cars. They are now feeling the pinch since many of the "new" fans are bored with NASCAR and the old fans are not coming back. NASCAR is not the flavor of the day.
Regional overkill. In a 2 month span of time, NASCAR has 2 races at Pocono(cap. 76,000), 2 races at Michigan(cap. 132,000), Chicago(75,00) and Indy(Cap. 257,000+). Could it be that maybe there are too many races, too close together? Kill the second race at Pocono, possibly kill the second race at Michigan. Move the Indy or Chicago races at least two months apart. That should help. How many people who went to Chicago could afford to turn around two weeks later to go to Indy?
Moving the race to Kentucky is just a threat by France to try to make changes without offending his multi track owners. He hopes to push Indy around since they are at a critical time.
The BY400 financed the IRL and killed CART. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED....piss on the fire and call the dogs...the hunt is over.
What a shame...the Speedway's heritage and mystique all sacrificed for one man's little dream and vision. Blame no one but yourselves IMS management. See you MCL's...
NIGHT WOULD BE GREAT! More exciting as well.
After comments like that, how do you expect sane people to take you seriously? I am thinking you baked in the sun too long. You really need a reality check. I am guessing tomorrow the BP Spill, DoD information leak, Steve Carrell leaving the office and the fact you stubbed your toe will all be the IRL's fault. I guess it does make it easier to have someone else to blame for all that ails you.
On topic, I am amazed at the number of media outlets including ESPN, Sports Illustrated and Speed TV that are referring to Ganassis triple crown win of Daytona, Indy and Brickyard. Goes to show how the races are still held in high esteem.
The more I think of the threat of losing the race to Kentucky the more I think either France is bluffing or he was out in the sun too long. I hope some media asks him how going from 140,000 spectators at the most high profile race course in the world to 67,000 at a backwater track is a good idea.
Racing no longer attracts much in the way of derriere. Large swaths of aluminum glistening in the Indiana sun resolve to a passing of the old for the birth and promise of something new. Leveling must commence following the 2011 Indianapolis 500. Mixed-use is in, auto racing is out on sustainable acreage. Such are the days. Losses must be cut and investment maximized. Memories will serve a generation, perhaps even two. They will be fond recollections and then history itself shall take command and record as curious footnote for subsequent surveyors. Well-placed plaque will denote for passers-by too, those of the pedestrian unaware at least, that here long-ago were endeavors of speed on a majestic rectangular stage. And so the time has come. To quote Bryan Adams, who got it oh-so right in his musical ode to a much simpler time: â??I guess nothing can last foreverâ?¦forever.â??
Indianapolis Motor Speedway. 1909-2011.
Keep predicting Burl and you will keep being proven wrong.
Next up....TV ratings at or near all-time low for the Fo-hunnet. 3-ish.
Kind of easy to make those predictions when the just about every other race has the same trend.
I further bet that Jimmie Johnson will win a few more races this year, Kyle Busch will tick off more fans, that the winner of the regular season will not win the chase and that at least one NASCAR fan named Bubba will be seen on tv stating that the tornado sounded like a freight train as it took Mamaw away in the trailer.
Indianapolis (since August 1994) to now = 500 at record attendance lows (tv ratings lowest ever), Brickyard insignificant, F1 GONE, MotoGP different fanbase, Indy lights...who cares.
Who invited NASCAR? ANSWER: IMS. Who invited F1? ANSWER: IMS. Who started the IRL? ANSWER: IMS. Who cares anymore? ANSWER: I do, because the SPEEDWAY is responsible for it's fate and the fate of AOW. Both of which are FACTUALLY in the crapper.
But Iman likes it.
Look friends, putting lights up ain't gonna do it. The racing SUCKS.....isn't it time everybody stops looking at all the OTHER reasons than what is the real reasons? Same for IRL same for NASCAR. Fix THAT and rain or shine they'll come....just like when the 500 was the only game in town. About $675 MILLION ago.
One needn't look further than the audience decline at the IRL events at the Chicagoland and Kentucky speedways. Since those events debuted, and were near sell-outs at both venues, the audience, on-site and off-, has continued to decline.
The decision was made to move those races to night for the same reasons cited above for the Brickyard ... and the audience erosion continues.
Perhaps the problem isn't the time of day or the location of the sun.
Maybe if the racing was better? (After all, isn't that why NASCAR convened a fan forum?)
Perhaps if Goodyear had been more professional and had produced a proper tire to stage a proper race two years ago. The IMS still gets complaints about that race, even though it was Goodyear's faux pas. (This would entirely account for the audience erosion difference at the IMS versus the massive erosion at other venues.)
The problem with the Brickyard isn't the time of day it's run. The general erosion has affected everyone. Where you used to need a papal intervention to get tickets to Bristol, you could get them walk-up this year.
Lights aren't the problem. The product is.
Tom Beeler
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You posted "Indianapolis 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, early 90's = ONLY needed the 500 to stay prosperous, full grandstands, highest TV ratings, EVAH.".
Well the problem with that is the following"
The race was broadcast live on WFBM in 1949 and 1950. Then is was shown live on closed circuit in theatres during some of the 60's and early 70's.
From 1965â??1985, ABC broadcast the race via tape delay and as live segments on Wide World of Sports.
It has only been shown live nationally since 1986.
So kind of hard to be high ratings for the last 4 decades when it has only been broadcast in its entirety since 1986.
More facts for you to chew on.
The land is too valuable for twice, thrice a year races that are increasingly irrelevant and becoming more sparsely attended. Plus, auto racing is so, so, I donâ??t knowâ?¦.yesterday! It is just soâ?¦..90â??s.
And Tom, your comments are SPOT on. Careful, you'll be labeled a "hater" here.
Defender...you brung her, you dance with her.
Iman....Attendance applies to the date range I provided. Attendance has dropped for the 500, 400...and F1 DUMPED the speedway. All FACT and applicable. TV ratings apply where applicable.
Iman, you are saying the State Police is LYING? If I understand you correctly, you are saying Indy really never was what it was purported to be.....just to justify your belief that the Speedway made the right decisions in 1994 and 1996, and eventually in 2008 too.
It's over, the Speedway lost....lost us the fans and $675 MILLION in doing it.
The hot weather was not the issue. This year's 500 was among the hottest race days on record. We didn't see the same huge attendance drop on that day.
The only passing during the Brickyard 400 (and many other NASCAR races) happens during pit stops. Montoya had the fastest car all day and yet still lost due to having a longer final pit stop. Why not just make the race a pit stop competition since that's the only way track position changes?
People want to see a sport, not pay big money just to be marketed to. Over the past 10 - 15 years NASCAR has morphed into a huge, traveling marketing experience disguised as a sport with contrived rules to try to ensure that all commercial stakeholders receive sufficient ROI. Both old and new fans alike see right through it, resent it, and are taking their discretionary entertainment dollars elsewhere.
WOW...DEATHBLOW 2010! continues. Trying to extort monies from state government in exchange for AOW racing services that they already kicked out of the Mile.
If NASCAR move the brickyard date to Kentucky the IRL, and speedway are in HUGE trouble.
So yes, during the cart hey day, the admissions were probably over estimated by ISP. Hell, they were within 10%. Not a bad guess.
As far as your word from Kallman, most of us call it reading a news article, the $400,000 is not extortion, but the IRL asking the owner, The State of Wisconsin, to foot the bill for promoting the race. Reading the article, it clearly states the $400,000 is to create a weekend festival with the IRL as a centerpiece. I give Bernard credit, NASCAR walked after getting stiffed, the IRL could have to since they are still owed $1 mil. So see, another track they were not kicked out of. Have you ever provided proof they were kicked out of a track?
The IRL has always had great races at Milwaukee, and they have a good fan base. I hope it works out. The Milwaukee Mile was the oldest continous race course in the world until the promoters screwed with it.
If NASCAR moves the Brickyard date to Kentucky, NASCAR is in deep trouble. First, losing one of the most prestigous dates on their schedule, one piece of the triple crown per ESPN, SI and Speed. Losing 190,000 seats and if Kentucky sells out, still losing 73,000 actual fans compared to this "low" attendance 400. They also will tick off a lot of fans and a lot of drivers and they would make a lot of track owners nervous. France is trying to blunt IMS coming back and asking for more favorable terms since NASCAR's product is fading.
The only thing worse than harkening back to the good old days is failure to recognize the wreckage that lies directly in your line of sight.
Without the younger fan, the league cannot sustain. What is needed is this: The races actually need to be conducted at malls. Yes, malls. Thatâ??s where the kids go. And not just any mall. It has to be a major mall with Abercrombie, Forever 21, a place where they can hold an Electric Daisy-type of festival as a side event., and has a Seattleâ??s Best. The circuit should be a roadie, but not an 11-turn type of course. More like a kidney-shaped track where the Indy cars have to slide it into a four-wheel drift at opposite ends. And it canâ??t be long. No 79-lap, timed for TV two-hour affairs. The races have to be short and snappy. They have to be something you can bust out on a webcast or You Tube download. So we are talking like fifteen minutes tops. So they can do like three or four a night, yes night. The infield area can host an ongoing beach party and low and slow mobile show. More serious fans can watch from temporary stands on the perimeter. The Food Court needs to stay open for grub and there must be a post-race dance, mixed race/gender/gay integration, techno-pop in which the drivers can mingle with the fans. Hot chicks have to be let in free so guys can hunt. You can do this in many major cities and attract a new fan base. It all has to be Facebook. It can work. Drop Indy because that is like so yesterday anyhow. I mean that is like, maybe your parents but really like what your grandparents were into. Iâ??m sure. No, you can make Indy Car racing so off the hook, this way.
Why don't they just GIVE TIX away for the Brickyard or Indy?
I'll go to Indy IF the speedway gives me free tix and a room to board for three days....I'll cover travel expenses. Anthony, if you can act as the free tix broker for me, I'll come down to Indy...for both races. Deal?
I'll even sit with Defender and his siamese twin attached-at-the-brain Indyman. Come on Speedway, do it for the betterment of the sport....FREE!
"Three days after witnessing the smallest Brickyard 400 crowd in the race's 17-year history, Indianapolis Motor Speedway CEO Jeff Belskus said he intends to cut ticket prices for about 75 percent of fans at next year's race.
"I can't deny that having as many empty seats as we had (Sunday) is a disappointment to me," he said. "But we have a lot of people here and a lot of opportunity here to rebuild this event and bring it back. It's going to take the full effort of everyone here at the speedway and at NASCAR."
Belskus' immediate plan calls for tiered pricing, which will cut prices up to $20 for seats closer to the track where sight lines are not as good. The coveted higher seats will cost more. He also plans to cut general admission prices, used for the first time this year, from $40 to $30 for advance purchase, and he will retain the new policy of allowing fans 12 and younger into the infield for free with a paying adult.
The changes are a major shift for a venue long on tradition and steeped in history."
Great deals, huh Defender? more like NASCAR has forced the hand of the Speedway...DO SOMETHING or your out on your BUTT.
Good for NASCAR.
NASCAR did not force IMS's hand, IMS realized it has to overcome the problems NASCAR is facing.
Of course chief is asking for a handout, why should he be any different then cart when they bankrupted multiple times.
So I guess since you are panhandling for tix, it means you must have decided their will be a Brickyard next year. So much for that prediction.
My predictions (or your fantasies about my FACTUAL comments) are in fact FACT. You just can't stand it...
Indy, Toronto, Edmonton and even Baltimore are getting state funds...now the IRls want Wisconsin to cough $$$. Sorry IRL fools, Milwaukee dumped you....no fans showed, no one made money.....DONE. That's how the IRL does business. It kills markets....just like the brickyard 400 market. IRL taint all over it.....
next what government money does Indy accept? We are waiting.
Again you prove your ignorance. Milwaukee's promoter stiffed the IRL for $1 mil and NASCAR for more than that. Come on, you are making this too easy.
Please name a prediction that you have gotten right. Short of stating the obvious, you are ofer. 0 fer every prediction.
I will have to take exception to Tim may. That was just wrong. You owe the Special Olympians an apology.
Prediction...Toronto, Edmonton FREE fridays and weekend attendance were a ghost town. FACT. IRL can't even give it away
Prediction....Toronto and Edmonton failures on TV. FACT.
Pretty bold predictions that came true. Frankly when y9iu bet the IRL will fail...you win. Can't miss....
Now, Belskus drops tix prices in attempt to fill grandstand due to NASCAR threat to pullout. Good week for the IMS and you Speedway bootlickers. Oh wait...it's a good idea to drop tix prices to allow more folks the opportunity to not come see something they didn't want to see in the first place. Hahhahhahaa....
Racing is what it is, and frankly it's bland these days and pretty much the same darn thing. NASCAR, IRL and Grand Am....all spec racing series that took parts of the incredible spirit of innovation and competition and put it in the hands of of people like Milka Duno and Dr. Jack Miller.
Seriously, the racing sucks...it used to be great. Fix the racing starts with fix the cars which will fix the drivers that will fix the problem of interest for the fans.
The fact the Speedway was used as a tool in the destruction of the AOW sport is significant as fan apathy continues to grow. It seems evertything is being done EXCEPT fix the problem...the racing SUCKS.
Nailing BB and TA and TG to the cross would help in the interm. The speedway needs to restore it prestige....right now it's flogging itself repeatedly and fans can't stand the devolutionary period for the sport. I fear it'll be gone before they figure out the gimmicks were nothing but a waste of time. this fan knows it...
The continued drone of the spec Honda, or the spinning flipping and crashing of the spec 8 year old Dallara....all are applicable historical lessons the IRL needs to learn from.
Whether Jack Miller drove years ago is not the point....he shouldn't have driven and left an indelible mark on the sport associated with the IRL. Today, the tradition continues with Milka Duno.
You want maturity and evolution from me? I say I'm providing it. It's you stalwart speedway bootlickers that want status quo...that have neither evolved nor matured since your daddy's dragged ya to the track back in nineteen-ought nine.
Without the IRL, there would have been no need to expend the legacy and tradition wasted upon NASCAR, F1 or Indy Lights. But, instead you slaughtered the sacred golden goose whose only way back is to drop ticket prices and promote the dead racing that no one wanted in the first place.
The truth hurts. So, strap on some maturity and accept the failures of the IRL, the Speedway, suck it up and help make it better. Stop acting like problems don't exist....that's how it all got into this condition in the first place.
Your blog is perfect example of the 15 year IRL flagellation of failure.
To do this they planned on shortening the season up by a month and ending things in late October, cold weather on a Saturday night in New York and against a possible actual World Series game itself be damned. This thing was to all be lead up to by a ââ?¬Å?playoffââ?¬Â? style thing over the last half dozen races or so. That is back on the table now as they are discussing something like that again. The whole idea was to have a super-hyped, playoff atmosphere, sudden-death overtime, mega-important, prime-time, celebrity-packed, lights, cameras, action event to crown the champ. They thought they would pull #1 ratings, 40 million watching kind of stuff. Thatââ?¬â?¢s how out of touch and arrogant they had gotten.
This was the plan and why they were willing to invest so much money into that project on the island, figuring within a few short seasons, they would get total ROI, especially from TV revenue, the thinking being this was going to be their ââ?¬Å?Super Bowlââ?¬Â? every year, not the Daytona 500 anymore. That was still going to be the big kickoff at the start of the season, but Staten Island was going to the world beater.
It is funny to see them losing their hind ends now. Years of arrogance and now they are spiral fading like a meteor in the summer night sky. So is the IZOD League. Racing, as a whole, has had its day.
Where is the info on the government subsidies IMS gets? I guess same place your proof for your other questionable claims are.
What about your response to Milwaukee? The promoters left both IRL and NASCAR owed a lot of money. They chose not to come back until paid, is that what you call getting kicked out?
First, from what I have read, tv has been up the last few races, so I guess that prediction hit the wall. Second, I already explained that predicting a trend is not a prediction. Attendance has been down in the IRL, as it has in most racing venues, and most sports for that matter. As I stated before, if I predict the rest of the NASCAR races will see a decline over last year in attendance, am I Notradamus? Nope, just playing the trend. You predictions are feeble at best.
You and Defender marginalize FACT just to keep IRL and Speedway looking good. Any darn fool could see it isn't. So, put up lights, air condition the seats and lower ticket prices more. What's next, is the Speedway gonna send a car for me, or provide roundtrip transportation? How about FREE meals at the track...HOW much more do they need to do before they realize IT'S THE RACING that's the problem? Discuss that instead....
http://www.indystar.com/article/20100730/SPORTS01/7300345/1052/SPORTS01/Speedway-might-take-Nationwide-race-away-from-ORP
I do not marginalize facts, when I state something I back it up with facts. I do not harp on the fact that the 400 had bad attendance even though it is still the top NASCAR race in attendance because it does me no good to harp on it. It is what it is.
Even though you think I do, I have no pull at IMS or the IRL. I am just another fan like all the others. I could harp on this or harp on that, but it would do little good. When I do have an idea on how to change something I do share it. But unlike you, I do not spend hours trying how to run something I do not like into the ground on message boards.
Folks are finally voting with their pocketbooks.
I like OW racing, always have, always will. I don't like what has happened to AOW racing, especially since the Speedway took an active role to kill it with the inception of the IRL. It HAS NEVER made a profit, and has cost the speedway north of $600 million. That's an expensive waste of time and money to arrive today and see the crap that's on track.
My comments are directed to help repair the damage done...and sometimes that is getting folks like yourself to open your eyes. If the speedway was successful and AOW healthy my points would be moot. But it's not successful and my observations are spot-on. And, you can't handle it.
Eight years ago....
THe IRl is gone places. YOU just wate and see. IN 5 years it wil be more popular than the NASCARs or FORmula ONe. HAHahahaha certaily is bigger than CARt is now hahahahahahaha
Another thing you do not care about is facts and truth. Ever find a source for your $600 million number? Ever find the supposed quote from Fred Nation?
Your comments are directed to wident he split. It is to keep picking the scab and keep it raw and bleeding. You and your fellow haters cannot afford for the IRL to succeed, because it will prove who was right.
Your points would be spot on if your racing series which followed your points had not died several deaths. But we know which one killed itself.
Just thinking of IMS having a Nascar night race gets me excited! I know A LOT of race fans that would get tickets in a heartbeat!
Brickyard 400 TV ratings DROP 13% from 2009, BUT still WHIPS Indy 500 TV Ratings from 2010, 4.2 (BY 400) vs 3.68 (Indy 500).
Maybe INDY 500, it's condensed old self, needs a good old homeopathic leaching or move it to an hour where the sun don't shine and folks aren't inconvienenced by the noise.