Chevy, Lotus engines could infuse $30 million annually into marketing IndyCar

November 18, 2010
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Can IndyCar Series CEO Randy Bernard sell ice to an Eskimo? Perhaps.

But, according to Terry Angstadt, president of the open-wheel series’ commercial division, the effort to attract Chevrolet and Lotus as engine suppliers to the IndyCar Series was a “true team effort.”

The Chevrolet deal was announced Oct. 12 and the Lotus deal is being announced today.

“I really get upset when all the bad things are credited to [former IndyCar CEO] Tony George, and all the good things are credited to Randy Bernard,” Angstadt said. “That’s very naïve.”

The growth in the series this off-season dates to reunification in 2008, and has a lot to do with the series’ decision to launch a new engine and chassis package in 2012, Angstadt said.

Angstadt says Bernard does get a major nod for forming the ICONIC Advisory Committee, and jumping into negotiations with Chevy, Lotus and other potential series suppliers.

“But the consummation of these deals takes a lot of effort on the part of a lot of people,” he added. “Guys like Tony Purnell, for instance, have been a huge help.”

Purnell is a businessman and former principal of the Jaguar and Red Bull Formula One teams, who became a member of the ICONIC committee this year.

Credit aside, Angstadt expects big things from the series’ two new engine makers.

“In time, we expect the new engine manufacturers to be just as active as Honda in marketing and activating for the series,” Angstadt said.

Some sports marketers wondered if the marketing and sponsorship pie generated by engine makers would grow, or stay the same and be divided among them.

“Absolutely, the plan is for marketing from that category to grow,” Angstadt said. “If there are two new engine manufacturers in 2012, we could see the marketing spend in that category triple.”

That kind of marketing muscle, sports marketers said, is what the series needs to grow television ratings and attendance. IndyCar sources said Honda spends $10 million to $15 million in marketing annually. If what Angstadt said is true, the two new engine manufacturers would put another $20 million to $30 million annually combined into billboards, TV, radio, print and Web ads as well as point-of-purchase promotions and marketing at each track where the series races.

The good news doesn’t end there for the IndyCar Series.

Angstadt said that while a deal for a new “mega activating” sponsor—potentially as big as series title sponsor, Izod—is coming together a little slower than expected, he anticipates an announcement before year’s end.

“We’re awfully close to that category exclusive announcement,” Angstadt said. “That announcement could come before Thanksgiving.”

And that’s not all. Angstadt today is headed to Brazil, where he will meet with Apex Brasil officials, and hopes to sign two new sponsors.

“We hope to sign two letters of intent,” Angstadt said. “That would make this trip a real success.”

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  • IZOD Indy Car Series On The Upswing
    ...and the team in place is doing a splendid job. Terry needs to actually wait until contracts are signed to start talking, though.
  • Kudos
    Kudos to IMS for what appears to be the assembly of framework for the future.

    Not to detract from the good news but when is Talkin' Terry gonna get the IRL out of the VerSUs contract? I'm surprised this isn't the very FIRST order of business behind torpedoing the IRL moniker/identity.

    Laying prostrate on the floor is the image all takers see the IRL now...which isn't a bad thing I suppose. BUT, the bottom line is there has to be ROI and even though $10 by Honda for 33 will be divided into thirds...I doubt the impact will be as big as suggested.

    Cable TV subscribers are DUMPING cable TV too....another fork in the road. How about charging for IRL action from the web? Then you can forcefeed all the marketing from the BIG 3 directly to the consumer...err 'connections'.
  • So Now You Are On a 'Dump Cable/Versus' Kick, Eh?
    Please examine any/all viable alternatives. You are aware that the Comcast/NBC/Universal linkage will provide the most robust and powerful content production and distribution system in the history of television, correct?

    For my money I believe the IZOD IndyCar Series made a deal with Versus that was well ahead of its time. Dividends are already paying off; e.g., superior coverage, ratings in target demos up, refreshing new content distribution strategies, etc.

    Chief, with all due respect, this ongoing hostility act of yours is rather humorous, particularly when estimating that no one can possibly be that simultaneously ignorant and obsessed.

    In any event and on behalf of the IZOD IndyCar Series, thanks for your close attention to every minute detail.
  • Thank you
    For providing me great entertainment in your constant incessant bleating on about the defense of the IRL/OZDcar series.

    History will NEVER forget the damage the IRL's inception caused....nor will you EVER stop revisioning it here and elsewhere.

    Point or counterpoint, there will always be someone to rebutt your claims. However, I am cautiously optimistic regarding all this leegUe hoopla as I still don't see how this all translates to fans in the stands and on TV.

    But, your pomposity I'm sure with try to sway opinion, so have at it tiny.
  • Sounds Good
    The talk of people DUMPING cable is just talk. Yeah, people complain, but you'll find very few who have actually made the jump. That's not to say it won't happen, but there are not stats to prove that it is happening now.

    With all that being said, I think IMS is doing a great job to kickstart things. I'm not even that big of a racing fan, but it makes me happy to see them trying to reinvigorate it. The City needs it.
  • About the Versus Deal and Cable in General...
    Chief, I specifically asked you to provide discussion of viable alternatives to the Versus/Comcast deal. As is your pattern, you completely ignored that and launched into yet another split-related diatribe containing odd misspellings, questionable grammar and hostility that has no relevance. What, specifically, is your problem?

    Chief, I have rarely seen diversion and wanton stupidity combined then used as an effective debate tactic with the possible exception of Tea Party candidates trying to get elected.

    Look, the handful of you still trying to sabotage the sport because you miss cart are missing the entire point. Your arrogant behavior is what led to the downfall of cart, twice, after they boycotted the institution that gave them all of their legitmacy. But now, in 2010, your quaint little 'war' is over. They surrendered. Kevin Friggin' Kalkhoven is being an IndyCar team player by facilitating the entry of Lotus to the series. Why can't you kids follow the lead of people like that? They are all on the same team now. Jimmy, Michael, Floyd, ALL of them. As an added bonus, your pal Anton is out of the picture. I am having a difficult time understanding the basis of some 'war' you still seem intent on fighting?

    I would be happy to point/counterpoint with you, but you are going to have to focus, son. These nonsense outbursts from you and your like minded pals are hideously inappropriate and not suitable for adult discussion. Can you commit to cleaning up your act? If so, I will happily discuss these issues.
  • Positives
    For Mr. Talkin' Terry to run his mouth the way he does, goodness. Randy Bernard doesn't play Rope 'a Dope. That's why he put those kind of folks on the ICONIC Committee. He sees the "big picture". He is a man of desire, drive and almost unlimited contacts.

    Anyone that could take Bull Riding to he heights it is today is "Iconic" in and of himself! He just knows how to get things done.

    I, for one, am glad Randy's on board. Let's wish him well in his endeavor to restore Indycar to it's rightful place perhaps with achievements never seen before.
  • Your reading comprehension suffers
    As does your lacking sense of humor Mr. Tiny Defender.

    BerwickGuy, Randy sure knows how to shake it up, doesn't he.

    For once we all will learn if the IRL/IZoD/IMS has the right stuff because it's readily apparent they are assembling all the elements. But, all the kings horses and all the kings men....well, they got a big job ahead of them

    I still say, IF Randy wants to put this sport in the publics eye, IT HAS TO BE ON TV where folks can see it. VerSus just don't cut it...and with the lame duck 2011 approaching...the sport comtinues to be in grave danger. Don't lose focus in all this hoopla friends....THAT should be job one...GET THE BROADCAST PACKAGE FIXED. PAY for it out of pocket. 0.30 isn't gonna cut no matter how much activation you provide. Period.
  • Lotus?
    Do I sense a bit of animosity from Terry toward Mr. Bernard?? TG couldn't do it in all the years he was there. Let's give Randy the credit for sealing the deal regardless of whether he initiated it or not.
    Lotus, huh? Does Lotus even make their own engines??? or is this Toyota sneaking back into open wheel. It's a good thing either way. Anyone hear from Ford or Mercedes yet - it could be old home week again.
  • Terry is Defensive, always
    Remember when Gordon Kirby asked him questions last year about posterboy Ryan Hunter-Reay and Graham Rahal not having rides/sponsors? Terry blew up in the most unprofessional ways!

    ANy friction is good friction. Terry needs to go...out with the old guard! New Indy needs to emerge!
  • Ropin' the Wind
    Randy must be given credit for bringing these companies on board. He cannot be denied accolades for this. Impressive. Trouble is, it is lots of money being spent on a sport that is no longer relevant with the public, save the 300,000 or so fans it can actually claim. Small time, teensey-weensey stuff. Li'l bitty. None of this matters in the long run, in fact, it is very CART-like in delivery, what with Talkin' trying to impress with his community college Introduction to Business certificate lingo. Too funny. I am entertained watching the series die in such undignified manner.
  • Use of Deductive Reasoning
    Do you not imagine that an infusion of more the $30 million new dollars would go a long way toward eliminating the quaint little perception some people have that the IZOD IndyCar Series is not very popular?

    Food for thought.
  • 15 years Defender
    15 years of sponsorships and Hulman family $$$...how much was spent on it to get it to it's where it is today?

    I will say again, you Indy minions are missing the point...NOTHING has worked to the present. Defender, you seem to have the goose with the golden eggs....that goose has been raped for 15 years, what makes you think THIS time is the one?
  • Attempting to Make Sense of the Incomprehensible
    "15 years of sponsorships and Hulman family $$$...how much was spent on it to get it to it's where it is today?"

    Well, if I was a blithering idiot, I might stupidly pull a number north of half a billion out of thin air, claim some nebulous source, then doggedly cling to it like a Biafran to a Big Mac. Fortunately, I have a brain and am unafraid to use it. What it tells me is that money spent over the past fifteen years has gotten it to 2011, where new, additional sponsorships, paid media linkages and manufacturer partnerships will keep it viable for decades to come, complete with profitability. Most startups fail. IndyCar is obviously an exception to the rule.

    "I will say again, you Indy minions are missing the point...NOTHING has worked to the present."

    I am having a challenging time following your convoluted 'logic.' If NOTHING has worked to the present, how in the world is the series still in business? Would it not have folded as other once popular series did, twice? As usual, you are making little sense.

    "Defender, you seem to have the goose with the golden eggs....that goose has been raped for 15 years, what makes you think THIS time is the one?"

    Again, I am having considerable difficulty attempting to glean something close to a point. Here, let me try. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Unless the gander boycotts Indy and fails. Twice.
  • Heehaw!!!!
    Went from shoveling cow pies - to shoveling piles of Greenbacks!

    Life is great Chief. Jump in the waters warm!
  • dodge indy ads
    dodge ram ad had indy in it so some dodge money for league nhl has very high rating on vs they had a 2.0 irl never had that on espn
  • yes indycar
    old indycars
  • cartourettes
    A condition that results whenever good Indy Car news occurs. Here is how it works:

    1. Good news announced.
    2. Disturbed cart enthusiasts that refuse to budge from 1995 become deeply chagrined.
    3. Repetitive, nonsense, off-topic, incoherent slamming occurs; e.g., sub-1 12+ ratings on Versus, engine badging is bad, attendance is lousy, George family spent $750 million to keep it afloat, Tony ruined everything, etc., usually with cleverly misspelled words and atrocious grammar.

    It is my believe this fringe group should seek immediate medical attention.
  • viva ovals
    any way dodge ram ads is good indycars news
  • behavioral issues
    Geez, even if I was an elitist snob I wouldn't talk down to people like that.

    Tony did in fact screw everything up, since 1996. IRL has no vision, and is dead. The IZOD Car series has limited viewership on a hard to find unwatchable channel deep out in the cable universe. The Hulman George family has spent hundreds of millions keeping the IRL afloat. Fans from both sides of the split remain unimpressed with gains as of late. And, even the IRL Defender admits the IZOD Indycar Series is nothing but a niche sport seeking a narrow target of the prized demographic of males 18-34, which apparently is up 40%. They wouldn't have a clue what a Lotus was or is, so I guess it's ok.

    You can keep looking down your nose at us or you can embrace us...see our points...and make common ground for the betterment of the sport. But you won't.

    So the obsessed is indeed YOU who refuses to see fact for fact the problems the sport faces today. Indy, clearly, is not the answer for everything that ails the sport...otherwise we would not be having this conversation. Would we?
  • Chief you really expect us to believe you do not try to talk down to us? the insults, the attacks the dodging of facts?
    The one thing the IRL has not done is gone bankrupt twice while spending millions of investors money. Talk about your pyramid schemes.

    KK has come back and is bringing Lotus, the least you can do is bring some track dogs.
  • No way
    I'd be scart to go to an IRL race with all you IRL bullies and professional beater-uppers/Spelling egsperts/elitist IRL snobs.

    I try to find common ground, but it's clear you don't want us...we're just the realists of AOW.
  • cartourettes Case Study #1:
    "Tony did in fact screw everything up, since 1996."

    Tony has not been around for a long while. The philosophical direction of the IZOD IndyCar Series has taken a decidedly upward turn under the leadership of Randy Bernard. Tony did not force cart to boycott the place that gave them all of their legitimacy. Tony did not force cart to go out of business, twice. How could Tony possibly be simultaneously accused of being dumber than dirt AND the mastermind of cart destruction? You kids cannot have it both ways. And what does your silly little Tony prejudice have to do with the subject of Anthony Schoettle's blog about Chevy and Lotus contributing $30 million additional dollars to IndyCar coffers?

    "IRL has no vision, and is dead."

    Again, I might point toward current IZOD IndyCar Series news. You know, the addition of Chevy and Lotus to go along with Honda for engines, and several aero manufacurers? Newly announced sponsorships, etc? How can a series with such positive momentum be considered 'dead' unless you are a clueless cartourettes victim?

    "The IZOD Car series has limited viewership on a hard to find unwatchable channel deep out in the cable universe."

    You are hitting all the cartourettes bullets in this one. Versus is now available in nearly 80 million domestic homes. Nearly a third of IZOD Indy Car Series races are scheduled for an OTA network. IndyCar marketing folks are taking advantage of several new content distribution channels. The Comcast takeover of NBC/Universal will allow many new opportunities for brand proliferation. These are things adults understand, kemosabe.

    "The Hulman George family has spent hundreds of millions keeping the IRL afloat."

    When do I get my detailed breakout of revenue against expenses? Do you know how utterly stupid you appear when you repeat this meritless, idiotic attempt at a talking point?

    "Fans from both sides of the split remain unimpressed with gains as of late."

    Wrong again. A handful of bitter cart idiots stuck in 1995 are not impressed. No one cares about them. The actual lost fans to which Randy Bernard is reaching out do not share your cockamamie, whacko ideology. They are simply fans with apathy who found other amusement while cart stomped its feet and scorched the earth for more than ten years. Randy is making it safe for them to return now.

    "And, even the IRL Defender admits the IZOD Indycar Series is nothing but a niche sport seeking a narrow target of the prized demographic of males 18-34, which apparently is up 40%."

    Wrong again. The IZOD Indy Car Series is considered mainstream by intelligent people without axes to grind. Television ratings for 18-34 males are up 40%, but there are other demographic categories that have also shown consistent gains. Those with access to something other than 12+ summaries from zap2it understand this.

    "They wouldn't have a clue what a Lotus was or is, so I guess it's ok."

    Most real racing fans know what a Lotus is. They and Chevy will be contributing around $30 million dollars to the series.

    "You can keep looking down your nose at us or you can embrace us...see our points...and make common ground for the betterment of the sport. But you won't."

    That's right. I won't. You consistently have no point. You have cartourettes and you look foolish. The handful of you children hellbent on the destruction of the sport deserve only scorn and ridicule. You are a cancerous blight. The sooner you grow up the sooner the sport improves a little more.

    "So the obsessed is indeed YOU who refuses to see fact for fact the problems the sport faces today. Indy, clearly, is not the answer for everything that ails the sport...otherwise we would not be having this conversation. Would we?"

    It does not matter what conversation anyone is having. The handful of your ilk still left will continue to attempt to monopolize and 'last word' any and everything written about the IZOD IndyCar Series, and your juvenile tendencies will intensify commensurate with how good any IndyCar news is. You will likely continue to toss out nonsense talking points without any regard for topic subjects.

    Here's a suggestion: Lose the cartourettes and try to make legitimate points. If you do, dialog like adults can occur. As long as you continue to behave like a child, however, that is precisely how you will be treated.
  • Reinventing a brand
    Do I understand this correctly? LOTUS doesn't even MAKE engines anymore?
  • Lotus Engines
    Lotus has never made engines. Other entities have actually developed engines over the years to which the Lotus name was applied. There is little difference in that philosophy from the engine that will carry the Lotus name in the vibrant and growing IZOD Indy Car Series come 2012.
  • Is that any different then Ford running Cosworths or Chevy running Ilmors?

    For that matter that Toyota is running a NASCAR engine that has no connection to anything they run in their cars or trucks? Or that all other NASCAR engines are based on 1960's engines?

    It is all about marketing. IF a Chevy wins on Sunday, does that winning car have any connection to the cars Chevy sells on Monday? Other than the names, no.
  • Cancerous Blight?
    Hahahaha...

    Thy lofty one, I genuflect in your general direction. The great Indy Car series does no wrong, NEVER, ever. Oh, fair oracle of greatness, indeed enlighten us again on the fair virtues of the IRL's venture upon the stormy seas of American Open Wheel racing, circa 1996. Certainly the great prophet of Indy, ToNee George nee Nostradamus, saw something disasterous ahead. What pray tell was this vision he saw....and has said vision ever been satisfied?
  • cartourettes Case Study #1, Continued
    The answer is a resounding yes. But what does your latest quaint little outburst have to do with Anthony's blog topic, which is Chevy and Lotus and the expected $30 million they will bring to league founded by Mr. George?

    Here is a helpful suggestion: Try looking forward instead of backward, like most normal people. The future looks really bright and is something we can actually do something about. Becoming a real race fan, for example.
  • Reality
    still no fans and still no TV audience. One iCarly episode outdraws the whole IRl season
  • cartourettes Case Study #2
    Good news always draws 'em out.
  • Yet, you have no answer
    Look, putting all your marbles in the 2012 hope-and-dream tour may be wonderful, but $30 Million will have no impact until well into 2012 if even then. That's if $30 million shows up. You've still got cost controls, a lame duck 2011 season and no engine or chassis specs to work from YET.

    So, while rosy on the outside, it is still rotten on the inside. What impact will Lotus and Chevy and Honda have on 2011 Centennial Era Indy 500 attendance and TV ratings? Your vibrant prognostications seem to leapfrog the inevitable.
  • Laughable
    Penske needs business for Ilmore, so he schmoozes Government Motors into the .1RL.

    KK needs business for Cosworth, seeing as the new F1 teams are already dumping them in favor of better engines, so he gets Group Lotus to supposedly go .1RL racing.
    Thing is, Lotus is doing everything on borrowed money, with Malaysian government guarantees.
    So, it's 2 Government motor companies that are expected to spend millions to prop up Penske/Ilmore, KK/Cosworth and the Indiana Racing League.

    Don't be shocked if the Lotus deal falls through, though. They have so much on the table right now, it's hard to take it all seriously.
  • cartourettes Case Study #3
    -.1RL. Clever. Stupid, but clever.

    -Fake outrage implying various taxpayer dollars/governments are ultimately behind new IZOD IndyCar Series motors.

    -The Lotus deal will fall through.

    The better the news, the more desperate and hideously inappropriate the bad behavior of hateful little children.

    On the positive side, there is no shortage of stupidity for this little cartourettes research project.
  • You refuse to discuss ANYTHING
    Your psychopathic and sociopathic aspects aside, you do not discuss topics (ANY TOPICS), you TELL people what to think and when to think it. Fascinating....you really are above it all, aren't you Mr. Defender?

    Why would any person EVER take you seriously?
  • It is funny to see the spin machine working overtime. It has taken them several days to get to this point, and none of it holds water. I am sure Penske called Obama up and said he wanted to go racing with Chevy.

    I am sure KK called up King Yang di-Pertuan Agong His Royal Highness Sultan Mizan Zainal Abidin and said let get cosworth some business.

    As to what effect these announcements will have on the IRL in 2011, in short, a lot.

    IRL is getting a ton of publicity, both racing based and more importantly main stream, and the message is the same, something interesting is happening in the IRL.
  • Design changes?
    Apparently Cotman is alerting everyone as to the evolutionary changes already in place for 2012...don't expect it to look like the hologram. Tony sez he wants sexy too but safety may dictate if it'll be another dallara uglomobile.

    Certainly it'll be a winnah, Indy always hits homeruns.
    • cartourettes Case Study #1, Continued
      'Your psychopathic and sociopathic aspects aside, you do not discuss topics (ANY TOPICS), you TELL people what to think and when to think it. Fascinating....you really are above it all, aren't you Mr. Defender?'

      Actually, I am merely attempting to comment on actual blog topics, as any adult would. When folks use (a)maturity and (b)lucidity in their contributions, they are treated in kind by me. Your silly little blanket analysis of my posting proves conclusively you either do not know how to read or are unable to comprehend words. Either way, you should seek some professional help.

      'Why would any person EVER take you seriously?'

      I do not care whether anyone does or not. I am only interested in the free exchange of dialog with other adult racing fans.

      'Apparently Cotman is alerting everyone as to the evolutionary changes already in place for 2012...don't expect it to look like the hologram. Tony sez he wants sexy too but safety may dictate if it'll be another dallara uglomobile. Certainly it'll be a winnah, Indy always hits homeruns.'

      They certainly hit enough to make themselves the center of the racing universe. Do you approve of the job Cotman is doing? He was long associated with cart/champcar before their unfortunate self immolation. Twice.
    • May be doing a good job
      Glad they hired him because it was apparent there was no one from the IRL to get the job done. Amazing influence that Robin Miller must have....that might prove he was correct all along.
    • Dallara
      Chief,

      Ugly you say, did you see that in the mirror? Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, could be uglier than the F1 monstrosoties.
    • LMAO
      The latest F1 cars may not look as hot as the 2008 cars did, but they're still state of the art, fast as hell and take serious skills to drive them.

      The Indiana Racing League cars are old, slow, ugly as hell and pretty much anyone can put the pedal to the floor and keep it on track.
      Just look at Milka, Danica, Sarah, Marco, etc...


    • cartourettes Case Study #4
      -Anyone can drive an 'IRL' car. LOL.

      -IRL cars are 'ugly.'

      The only thing more vulgar than a cart apologist lodged in 1995 is the knee-jerk arrogance of overly defensive F-1 enthusiasts.
    • Reality
      One Hannah Montana concert sells more tickets to fans than the whole IRL season does
    • Imagine That
      Good things happening to American Open Wheel Racing when the IRL and Tony George aren\'t involved. 15 years and $600 million later
    • cartourettes Case Study #2, Continued
      Case notes for Case Study #2:

      Note 1: Odd that someone who fancies the handle 'Truth' would bleat incessantly about one Hanna Montana concert (plus/minus 16K capacity at an indoor facility; plus/minus 50K capacity at an outdoor stadium) when the entire IICS season draws more than a million. Not to mention how scary it is that someone who fancies cart would also fancy Hannah Montana.

      Note 2: Still no sign of anything even remotely resembling an intelligent answer o my oft-requested accounting for said half-a-billion plus loss.

      Note #3: The often sub-human behavior of those afflicted with cartourettes also have a nasty habit of posting words not associated with blog thread topics, attempting to veer each one wildly off course by OCD-like repetition of fictional talking points.
    • .
      The world is safe now that Defender is here to set it all straight.
    • Would It Not Be Easier To Keep Commentary Confined to the Topic?
      In this case, that topic remains the potential infusion of around $30 million to the IZOD IndyCar Series coffers with the entry of two new badged manufacturers, Chevy and Lotus.

      Is there any portion of the concept of staying focused on the topic that continues to elude your grasp? If so, work it out. If not, let's keep it confined to Lotus and Chevy. Not other contributors.
    • Get off my Defender
      The King of all Indy states you're just jealous. Dr. Defender just has something you can't have and that is comfort knowing he has just been blessed of decades more of Indy racing. My follower, Dr. Defender, understands that it's all about Indy and nothing more...I suggest you fall in line and enjoy the ride. Ah, hell ....do what you want...how about "Take a Ride with us"...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-tmHins_Rs
    • cartourettes Case Study #5
      -Contributors who assume the identity of someone with who they are obsessed.
    • Defender,

      You have got to realize sticking to the topic means the haters have to deal with reality. They cannot do that. So they continue to attempt to insult those who disagree with them, they lie..sorry, misrepresent the truth, and hang on to ourrageous claims that no one with real knowledge of the sport believe is true.

      Their hater world is crumbling. Their predictions of iminent doom are proving as wrong as they have been over the last 15 years. The series they hate is getting stronger and they can do nothing but lie about it.

      Even Chief is pulling a Robin Miller and begining to hedge his bets. I can't blame him, the writing is on the wall.
    • Racing is not popular anymore
      Auto Racing, as a whole, is no longer popular. Just go look at the declining interest in NASCAR. Keep wishing all you want. Auto Racing is a thing of the past as a mainstream sport. This version, Indy Cars, will be long gone shortly. People just don't care. This is how it is. No mattr how you slice it, the sport has very little radar reading with the big screen. I was in a sports bar today to watch some college football. The Nationwide race was on one TV set. A patron asked for it to be changed to a game. The bartender said "Yeah, nobody is into this like they used to be." Too funny. Indy Cars? Not even a blip with John and Jane Q. Sorry.
    • cartourettes Primary Shriek:
      'The end is near' or some variation. Oddly, large companies such as General Motors and those who own the Lotus brand have reached a different conclusion about the future than some random guy on the Internet.

      It is just too darned bad there was not an episode of Hannah Montana on a television in that bar. That would have provided real entertainment for all the manly men.
    • Strange, now that the IRL is having success, the haters are claiming that auto racing is dying. Of course they would say that.

      I think a long time ago, an IRL supporter commented that NASCAR was taking a fall and that the IRL would start coming back.

      Seems like those predictions are coming true. much better than the hater predictions.
    • What success???
      Let's see...
      A race was killed, they have to rent tracks because nobody can make $$$ promoting them, still nothing definite on the supposed closer, and then all of a sudden, it was raining $$$ on the .1RL...

      2 Government Motors signed up to supply engines 2 years from now, and the league also expects them to prop up the .1RL by blowing 30 million promoting the Zombie Indiana Racing League???
      It used to be that manufacturers went racing to promote their goods. In the Bizarro world of the .1RL though, they are there to spend Millions to try and get someone to watch the series NOBODY WANTS TO WATCH.

      BTW, here's a quote from Mike Gascoyne about Group Lotus:
      "They seem to have announced that they're going to join every racing series around the world, and the only question is who's going to pay for it?" said Gascoyne.

      "Because they seem to want to do every racing series that there is, and for a loss-making car company, that seems to be slightly perplexing. But if that's what they want to do, good luck to them."

      Don't count the chickens before they hatch. 2 years is a long time in .1RL land...

    • cartourettes Case Study #4, continued
      WHen you attempt one of the hater talking points and someone more intelligent calls you on it, just repeat it over and over. LOL.

      Here's the deal, kids:

      -The IZOD Indy Car Series (it is not called 'the IRL' or hater cutesie '.1RL' any more) is not, I repeat NOT, going out of business any time soon.

      -GM paid back all its loans to the government early. The government is slowly handing back control oif that company. GM turned a large profit last quarter.

      -Real racing fans are happy to have the participation of two new manufacturers to complement Honda.

      ...and yet there are some who foolishly believe an 'end' is near.

      Get help.
      • Who?
        Burl,
        Talk about recognition?? Ask a person on the street who the quarterback was for Oklahoma last year or if there is a three time championship ring wearing quarterback from Oklahoma.
        Come on, get real. Just because you want to be right doesn't mean you and all the others on this post going on and on and on and on, and have I said it enough... on and on HAVE to keep saying it!
        It's tiresome to read about the schoolyard quarrels you and the others continue to have. Lets mooove on, hear that..and we're moving along and talk about something else!
        What you may ask? How about upcoming drivers (Conner Daly)and where they will go. Or improving grassroot affiliations with small tracks like Anderson, Mount Lawn or Winchester. How about a discussion about the new constuction coming in front of the Speedway..who should move there, hotels, museums or team shops?
        There, lets move on, agree to disagree and stop being a Jerry Springer episode and embarrassing ourselves.
        Have a nice day and enjoy whatever flips your skirt;)
      • Defender
        I agree with nearly all your talking points on IndyCar. In this case, however, you stated that the Gov'mint paid all their GM loans back early. That is not true.

        For GM to pay back the government, GM would have to completely repay the $6.71 billion loan with interest, purchase the government's preferred shares (as well as keeping up dividend payments) about 45 billion dollars worth. And as an aside, the money they used to "pay it back in full" was from TARP money they borrowed! This is worse than "robbing Peter to pay Paul", this is robbing "Paul to pay Paul"! And then to beat your chest that you paid it back?

        Really...
      • Potential Infusion
        Yep...Defender said that. POTENTIAL...

        -The IRL had POTENTIAL
        -The 50G impact lights had POTENTIAL
        -Dr. Jack miller had POTENTIAL
        -The VerSUus TV contract had POTENTIAL
        -The ABC/ESPN contract had POTENTIAL
        -The MERGER had POTENTIAL
        -Chevy, Oldsmobile, Toyota, Nissan, Honda and STOCK BLOCK had POTENTIAL in the IRL
        -The Dallara IRL chassis had POTENTIAL

        The $30 MILLION has POTENTIAL...if indeed it is infused or used in the manner Defender will change the topic to. Counting chickens and taking stock just 4 weeks after the season ending farce at Homestead. No attendance, no TV ratings...a joke on track as they held the race up for 20 minutes while Will Power tried to repair his car after HE put it into the wall.

        That's some series right there. Lotus doesn't have any money to spend! Prolly just KK finding a way to badge the Cossie.


      • Berwick,

        I believe Defender is right. There were two parts to the Government bail out. An outright loan and purchase of company stock. The loan has been paid back and I believe all the interest as well. The goverment is in the process of divesting itself of the stock. The IPO went so well they increased the price and amount of stock sold. I have not seen the final numbers, but the Goverment no longer owns a controlling interest in GM with a holding of around 30%, down from 60%.

        In less than a year, the government should be out of the car business with GM and may even make a little profit.
        • Chief,

          You have potential as well. You show signs of accepting the inevitable that that the IRL will last and succeed. But occasionally you revert back to your hater ways. Let the past go, you are not going to get your personal apology. The IRL is gaining momentum.
        • Unrealized Potential
          It's kinda funny to read Chief's hysterical obsessing over the IZOD IndyCar Series.

          "-The IRL had POTENTIAL"

          Then they retired the moniker to mostly to appease some of the more militant cart-centric idiots still fighting a war.

          The IZOD IndyCar Series still has a ton of potential and is realizing much of it with new sponsor and manufacturer gains.

          "-Dr. Jack miller had POTENTIAL"

          No, not really. But he did bring quality sponsorship and recognition early on to the sport.

          "-The VerSUus TV contract had POTENTIAL"

          Still does. It is a deal far ahead of its time.

          "-The ABC/ESPN contract had POTENTIAL"

          Too bad they have actively tried killing the brand lately.

          "-The MERGER had POTENTIAL"

          You mean the bailout? You're right. It still does.

          "-Chevy, Oldsmobile, Toyota, Nissan, Honda and STOCK BLOCK had POTENTIAL in the IRL"

          So have many other evolutionary iterations over the years.

          "-The Dallara IRL chassis had POTENTIAL"

          Still does. So much so they are building a factory in Speedway.

          "The $30 MILLION has POTENTIAL...if indeed it is infused or used in the manner Defender will change the topic to. Counting chickens and taking stock just 4 weeks after the season ending farce at Homestead."

          The new manufacturers are forward looking visionaries. Not bitter, obsessed backward looking second guessers.

          Here is where the cartourettes kicks back in:

          "No attendance, no TV ratings...a joke on track as they held the race up for 20 minutes while Will Power tried to repair his car after HE put it into the wall.

          That's some series right there. Lotus doesn't have any money to spend! Prolly just KK finding a way to badge the Cossie"

          It would be nice if you found a way to even slightly grow up.
        • ok, Chief is now trying to make fart jokes. It is official, he has regressed to the 5th grade.

          I knew the haters would take the good news hard. In Chiefs case, he has reverted to his childhood.....or has he ever matured out of it?
        • Defender
          Indyman, you said it yourself, "Defender is probably right." Huh, No he's not, not in this case. He said the lame line right from the mouths of the GM/Union Led/Obama Pleasers, "GM has paid the loan back in full with interest."

          Perhaps they will doesn't equate to the fact that they have not done so.

          Let's keep our facts straight and not revert to Chief/Burl/Truth HALF TRUTHS!
        • It wasn't a joke
          That's the truth. The stodgy elder approach with elitist attitude will go over gang-busters with the 18-35 demographic, for sure.
        • Trouble is...
          ...the sport has sunk to such lows that only about 300,000 people in America follow it. It seems larger to those who immerse themselves in the forum and blog world. 9 of 10 American do not know anything about the IZOD Car league or care. The sport is just a tiny, niche deal. Get over it. Fact. Think not? Look at all the buzz amongst the general public about GM coming to the what, who, huh league? Lotus? Ins't that an insect. See. This is how it is. This is a sport dying. Repeat: Dying. Only a tiny handful of gomertons watch and the Indy 500 ain't what she used to be, evidenced by thousands of empties.
        • Half Truths?
          What half-truths have I mentioned? Look, just because I'm not a rah-rah Indy placefan please don't confuse me with those who comment here which willfully chose to ignore the truth completely. My actions are solely mine.
        • DJ, let me help you out...
          OU averages about 85,000 per home game. Six, seven home games a year. How does that stack up against mighty IZOD Car races at Kentucky, Iowa, and such like. MMMMMMMhmmmmm. I'll give you the Indy 500, but it is in decline. I'd be surprised if they get 250,000 next May. The 100th year deal means something only to Davidson, the Gomeratti, and a handful of Hoosiers. OU football is niche sport, too. Just bigger than Izod Car niche sport. So it goes. So it goes.
        • By the by...
          ...ask Arie Luyendyk, sometime, maybe next May, what he REALLY thinks. I got to last week. MMMMmmmhhhhmmmmmm. Hint: Gomertons will not like it. Neither will Trackforum poster Paul Tracy. MMMMmmmmmmhhhmmmmm. Tracy would really react immaturely, especially with Arie twice on the Borg to Tracy's zero, now reduced to posting on a forum. Mmmmmmmmhhhmmmm. Arie is a card, by the way.
        • mudfight
          Burl, how's this sound...
          You keep your sport and I'll keep mine.
          Great that you know the numbers, just stop going on and on and on about something you don't like. I get it, you don't like it.
          I don't like peas...SO I DON"T EAT THEM!
          You guys continue to quibble among yourselves, your beginning to resemble one another! Chief, Berwick, Defender, Indyman. Come on move on. Maybe if you choose to continue this line of endless arguing, you can choose another line of topics.
          I double dog dare all of you!
        • No possible DJ
          Lord Defender hath demanded we all stay on topic except for his insane meaningless rants about cartourettes or sum such. IRL's no. 1 fan for sure.

          And, the IRL is coming up roses with a POTENTIAL influx of $30 million. Even Talkin Terry said it's possible. Not fact, just brag at this point. Sorry to wet your corn flakes, but it's right there in Anthonyu's article.

          But I'll be accused of being a downer and child.
        • Ok the, DJ....
          Take ya' up on that. Peas. I like them. Peas have been trouncing Beets for years now. Spring, Garden Sweet, Mr. Big....doesn't matter. Where are the numbers for Beets? What? Chioggia's are even on the radar screen? Granted, Peas are niche. I understand that. They are not going to compete with the Big Three. Potatoes, Lettuce, and Tomatoes are always going to get the ratings. But Peas are still big in target demographics. Peas might have even had a shot at the Big Three but you know what hurt Peas? The Split.
        • Berwick, The loans have been repaid. There was about $7 Billion in loans and the other $43 billion or so was converted to 60% equity in GM. The Gov is divesting itself with the ipo and additional stock sales. they have dropped from 60% control to 30% now. So the loan has been paid.

          http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63K56920100421

          Chief,

          I agree, you do not utter half truths, because I do not think there is that much truth in what you say.
        • Impromptu Focus Group
          I went to dinner in Aspen tonight with my 22-year old son and three of his friends. These are 4 males in the right demo. They know I like IndyCars, and they initiated a great conversation with me that featured the following points THEY brought up:

          -They want Carmen Jorda to succeed because she is 'hot.' They do not really like Danica. They DO like Simona deSilvestro, but believe Pippa Mann is a little too masculine looking for them. They want to know what's up with Ana Beatriz' eye. Sarah Fisher was not on their radar.

          -They did hear about Chevy coming back and Lotus joining and they are excited about turbos. Evidently the $30 million that is expected is going to be well spent.

          -They asked me whether I saw Vitor's pass from a few years ago from third to first while threading the Ed Carpenter/Scott Dixon needle.

          -Versus is a big reason they have started following. They are huge NHL fans. They were bringing up clips to show me on their mobile devices.

          To say the IZOD IndyCar Series is not attracting new fans is to admit your own denial and/or stupidity.
        • Government Motors Denial
          http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/23/general-motors-economy-bailout-opinions-columnists-shikha-dalmia.html

          http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/22/grassley-slams-gm-administration-loans-repaid-bailout-money/

          http://bailoutsleuth.com/news/2010/10/general-motors-will-repurchase-21/
        • 2012
          is gonna be the irl's breakout year!!!
          The destruction of AOWR will all be worth it then!!!!!
          We'll have three spec engines instead of one, an Italian spec car built in theonlyplacethatmatters with cool snap-ons for faux differentiation, a 14 race schedule that nobody watches (especially the few remaining ovals), and the CART guys are in control.
          The rectangle race will draw 2/3 attendance and a 2.8 rating, but that's OK! The irl won.



        • cartourettes Case Study #5
          Newly expressed versions of tired old cart-centric bleating:

          "is gonna be the irl's breakout year!!!"

          (Note the continued use of the now-shelved 'IRL' acronym) Actually, what is now known as the IZOD (fully sponsored) IndyCar Series has been turning wheels for fifteen seasons, and shows no signs of not, despite the repetitive, OCD like epithet hurling of youthful cart enthusiasts every single year.

          "The destruction of AOWR will all be worth it then!!!!!"

          -Case notes: As the result of cart killing itself, twice, their simplistic assumption is that cart = all of open wheel. That is arrogant in addition to being incorrect.

          "We'll have three spec engines instead of one, an Italian spec car built in theonlyplacethatmatters with cool snap-ons for faux differentiation,"

          Case notes: One spec manufacturer is BAD. Now, apparently, so are THREE non-spec manufacturers. It is apparent nothing will please cartourettes victims.

          "a 14 race schedule that nobody watches (especially the few remaining ovals), and the CART guys are in control."

          Actually, there are 16 and likely 17, and more venues are targeted. Attendance topped a million and ratings in target demographic areas were up 40%. I was also not aware Randy Bernard, Brian Barnhart and Terry Angstadt were 'cart guys.' Kid, listen...there is no more war. You can stop trying to fight it now

          "The rectangle race will draw 2/3 attendance and a 2.8 rating,"

          Case notes: Denigrate the institution that gave the entire sport its legitimacy. Actually, the 100th anniversary will likely sell out, and the 12+ ratings will likely exceed 2.8. Ratings in target demos will likely rise again too.

          "but that's OK! The irl won."

          Again, 'IRL' is retired. The IZOD IndyCar Series is, most definitely, large and in charge.
        • I smell poo
          Defender? Is that you again? I went to dinner in Pacoima tonight. Burgers. The 3 or 4 flatbills in there were talking NFL. Defender, you need to courtesy spray when you make posts like that. Just a quick press or two k?
        • CART Race....
          can't find it....looked on SPIKE and everything....darnsy
        • IRL Race
          Know where to find it. Can't get it. In a big market. Doh!
        • cartourettes Case Study #6
          Case Notes 1: Some of the afflicted have delusions and resort to scatological references as if they are in the 2nd grade.

          Case Note 2: I can't get Versus even though it is available in 80 million US homes.
        • Defenseless
          All truths. Indy bootlickers are determined to deflect from their problems...they don't want to discuss the issues that STILL confront the LeeegUe. You guys are setting it all up for 2011. We won't forget.
        • Chief,

          You need to learn the difference between truth and opinion. Opinion is what you spout on these threads, truth is what you dodge. Pretty easy to see the difference.
        • Truth
          IRL is on verSus. TRUTH...
          IRL is on ABC/ESPN...TRUTH...

          Lowest Indy 500 tv ratings since live broadcasting began in 1986. When? YES, year 2010. FACT. What happened?

          VersUS has been delivering 0.30's for the rest of the IRL season. FACT. Yet, IRL captitalizes on the PR of 40% increase in 18-35 males. UhhhhHuh.

          FACT: ISC tracks were dumped because NO ONE really cared about the IRL in ISC markets. FACT. And, it wasn't apparent until the NASCAR "Tix Extortion Packs" were removed. Just like in 1996, the IRL was foisted upon markets that didn't want them or could support them.

          ALL FACTS. You see, your rebuttal is that ISC tracks didn't promote in the manner IRL expected....but we know better than that. After several years ina market which was seeded with freebies by Marlboro and ISC season tickets deals....the seeds never GREW. That's a FACT you all fail to accept.

          More half-truths? Naaah, let's get back on topic about a POTENTIAL influx of $30 million in 2012 and the rise of street races in the IRL for cheap quick cash.
        • Bobby Unser
          Just read that Bobby Unser interview on grdon Kirby's site. Good stuff...without politics Bobby (my understanding and paraphrase) sez the IRL stunk and Barnhart stunk too.

          Wow, a INDY legend sez "throwing a blanket over 15 cars" at tracks was BAD for racing. Just like the IRL professed all these years.

          I know my conclusions will be different for others to stomach, but, why is it so hard for the Indy bootlickers to realise it stinks, stunk, stank? And at least admit it? Really, real racing fans are still laughing at Indy and the IRL. And will into 2011 too.
        • Here's the link
          http://www.gordonkirby.com/categories/columns/theway/2010/the_way_it_is_no263.html

          Probably Boby Unser has cartourettes and is stuck in the past, huh?
        • Thanksgiving
          I give thanks for this great country - I give thanks for the men\women who risk their lives for the sport I love -
          i give thanks to the opportunity to keep this thing going and making people euphoric and other people absolutely miserable....Love it.
        • Truth, Opinion and Actual Facts: A Discussion
          Indymsn makes a stellar point on the difference between truth and opinion. A point that again eludes our little cartourettes victim 'Truth.' I prefer dealing in facts.

          One fact, the premise of Anthony's original blog post, is that both Chevy and Lotus are joining the IZOD IndyCar Series in 2012, and their involvement will bring up to $30 million additional dollars to the series.

          "IRL is on verSus. TRUTH..."

          Absolutely factual. A deal that is ahead of its time. Youthful mostly male consumers strive for an overload of data delivered 24/7 on a variety of communications devices. A paid television deal is but a small portion of an overall media strategy designed to enhance viewership in new and modern ways. Those stuck in 1995 do not get this, as their simplistic, repetitive, invalid talking points continuously reinforce.

          "IRL is on ABC/ESPN...TRUTH..."

          A mainstream family o' channels available in most American households. I have issues with the partnership dedication of the ESPN/ABC, but a paid deal to run a third of the season races on an OTA network might seem to placate one of the primary shrill bleats of the quaint little hater club. No?

          "Lowest Indy 500 tv ratings since live broadcasting began in 1986. When? YES, year 2010. FACT. What happened?"

          Essentially, the number of channels, content distribution methods and entertainment choices increased exponentially over the past ten years or so. Using a 1995 framework to apply to a 2010 model is well beyond stupid, event for youthful cart enthusiasts.

          In dealing with simplistic 12+ summaries gleaned from zap2it and other basic sites, that is correct. What this kid and his little friends do not have is access to all the numbers. If they did, they would notice consistently impressive gains in targeted demographic areas. Gains that help facilitate new sponsor involvement that results in millions of new dollars.

          "VersUS has been delivering 0.30's for the rest of the IRL season. FACT."

          Again, refer to my observations about simplistic cherry picking of 12+ numbers from summaries on web sites. The actual numbers (available for those licensed and qualified to evaluate them) would seem to indicate a less pessimistic conclusion.

          :Yet, IRL captitalizes on the PR of 40% increase in 18-35 males. UhhhhHuh."

          Actually, similar gains have been seen in other demographic areas, but those of us with the capacity to actually use our brains have the ability to connect advertising dollars to the efficient delivery of demographic targets. Those actually spending the money consistently report ROI that exceeds their expectations. That bodes well for the future. I realize that type of truth just drives the haters crazy, but reality can do that occasionally.

          "FACT: ISC tracks were dumped because NO ONE really cared about the IRL in ISC markets."

          Actually, the ISC tracks were dumped because ISC management did not promote the IZOD IndyCar Series with the quantity or quality other events received. Relationships between the IICS and ISC were supposed to be partnerships. Partnerships are supposed to go both ways. Clearly, they were not. Perhaps the bold move made by Randy Bernard will send an unambiguous message to such folks.

          "FACT. And, it wasn't apparent until the NASCAR "Tix Extortion Packs" were removed. Just like in 1996, the IRL was foisted upon markets that didn't want them or could support them."

          Even ISC tracks disagree with such sour sentiment, usually broad brushed by simpletons who understood neither the way the packages worked while in force, or after they went away. The actual primary issue was/is promotion.

          "ALL FACTS. You see, your rebuttal is that ISC tracks didn't promote in the manner IRL expected....but we know better than that. After several years ina market which was seeded with freebies by Marlboro and ISC season tickets deals....the seeds never GREW. That's a FACT you all fail to accept."

          Hmmm. That's odd. The people with whom I discussed these issues were all associated with ISC tracks and the IICS, usually while attending such events. The thoughts of these people differ wildly from the crudely expressed, often fictional opinions of disenfranchised cart enthusiasts still intent on fighting some type of war.

          "More half-truths? Naaah, let's get back on topic about a POTENTIAL influx of $30 million in 2012 and the rise of street races in the IRL for cheap quick cash."

          Actually, Randy Bernard has done a good job of keeping a balance, and ovals may well play a more prominent role. The problems of temporary circuit/street races that plagued the old cart and champcar series before they killed themselves, twice, are becoming apparent with glitches in Edomonton and Baltimore.

          Truth, are you taking steps to deal with your cartourettes issues? This intervention from real racing fans here is designed to help you.
        • Truth...
          CART is DOA.....needed me back then didn't you...to bad I was 21 and in a bar in a stupor watching NASCAR start to kick your poorly ran business.
        • Last week Tony, now Unka Bobby
          Truth, emitted from tony Stewart last week, and Bobby Unser this week. IRL engine rules suck and so does the racing, for the past 15 years. I think it's great everyone's an Adult and can deal with such reality.

          It's not slagging the IRL, it's telling the TRUTH about the sport from eyes outside of the INDY gang. nice to see.
        • Add Messrs. Andretti (See Mario), Fittipaldi, Montoya
          All former "500" winners. All with firm opinions the IRL is junk. Mario is only around because of Michael. Montoya said the Indy 500 was "easy" and in fact, said he had gotten bored at one point. Laughed hysterically on the radio regarding all the pompous, self-important hype. The IRL used to be "crapwagons" to Paul Tracy, until he went over the hill. Now he bends to knee for teh licking of boot, lacking full-time emplyment as a race car dirver as he does. Shameful, but entertaining.
        • Let's Do Lunch
          I went to lunch in Malibu today with my 22-year old girlfriend and three of her guy friends. These are 3 males in the right demo. They know I dislike the IRL, and they initiated a great conversation with me that featured the following points THEY brought up:

          -They want Danica Patrick to succeed in NASCAR because she is 'hot.' They do not really know any other single driver in the IRL anyhow. They DO like Jimmy Johnson, but believe Jamie McMurry is a little too effeminate looking for them. They want to know what's up with Dale Earnhardt Jr.s lacy of talent. Sarah Fisher or any other dirver in the IRL or the IRL itself was not on their radar.

          -They did hear about Chevy paying back the government, and Facebook joining and they are excited about boobs. Evidently the $30 I spent on lunch for them was less than expected.

          -They asked me whether I saw the Chargers game last night.

          -Versus is a big reason they have never heard of the IRL. They are huge NFL fans instead. They were drawing X's and O's on napkins and showing me clips of babes on their mobile devices.

          To say the IRL Series is not attracting new fans is to admit you know the truth.
        • In my town....
          Which is about 1 hour from a track that the IRL DUMPED in favor of more street parades....well, the track permeated advertising on radio and TV for months before the race. I witnessed radio and tv coverage of the two wheeler giving rides and free tix trying to be given away. Also, seen newspaper ads and web ads on local sites. I have great connections at the track and tracks in my region, including drivers, owners, PR and track announcers as well. No Interest what so ever in INDY or IRL.

          My friend at the radio station told me they DIDN'T give the tix away because there was NO INTEREST. NO ONE WANTED THEM EVEN THOUGH THEY PROMOTED THEM FREE.

          NONE of the 18 to 35 year old MALES I know, through work, friends or children of friends and family EVER speak of the IRL or INDY. EVER.
        • Ok Chief, in lesson one we tried to teach you the difference between truth and opinion. Lesson two is how to tell the truth, and not falsely paraphrase a racing legend.

          You forgot to mention such simple things like Bobby saying "That's the best thing that's happened to Indy car racing in a long time," Bobby says. "I was so happy when I heard it. It's so good. I can't believe how good it is. As we all know, there's been a lot of negativity about Indy car racing. It's obviously there, but this takes some of that negativity out. There's still a lot of things that are wrong and need fixing, but this is a big step in the right direction. It's going to help a bunch."

          now to correct your paraphrase, Bobby disliked the spec cars and engines, but neither he or TS said it stunk. And he got the NASCAR part all wrong. They have been spec for decades. Last real "stock" car was early 80's. When they went away from the sheet metal to the fake bodies, is when they became spec. That was at the start of their rise to fame. What the American people have said no to is the rampant over marketing of NASCAR. Too many races, too many shows, too much of it all.

          Indy went spec because they had to, to survive. cart tried to go innovative and spent themselves into bankruptcy.

          Where Bobby is stuck in the past is innovation 50 years ago was far cheaper than it is today. 50 years ago a mechanic in a garage could play around with a car and make it quick. Today it takes teams of engineers, wind tunnels, and on and on to make a fast car. F1 is the only true innovative series, and even they are hitting financial issues.
        • No
          You are wrong and stop trying to teach me anything. The story is not about NASCAR, it's about Indy Car and how it has become homogenized since the IRL came into being. Just because NASCAR does it too DOESN'T justify INDY decision to go that way.

          So, stop using that as an excuse for the creation and existance of the IRL. I agree Unser is happy for the change....and gives great suggestions on how to make it better. But that would mean Brian Barnhart would have to be fired (which is long overdue).

          The sooner they get rid of the old Hulman guard at the speedway, the sooner this sport will return to prominence. So, stop using the NASCAR excuse for your existence Iman, it make you look weak...just like the IRL.
        • Chief, that is not a good answer. I know learning new things is scary, but it is for your own good. But to learn you need to read AND comprehend what is being said.

          It was about NASCAR. Unser said that IRL was spec which is not what the fans want. He said that NASCAR lost popularity when they went spec. I countered that fans do not mind spec, because NASCAR went spec in the 80's and their popularity went through the roof. As I stated, what is hurting NASCAR is over exposure. Too much of a good thing. I know long time NASCAR fans who are getting worn out by it and tired of Jimmie Johnson winning every year.

          So it is about NASCAR.

          People keep saying spec is not popular, spec is the most popular series in America.

          That said, I want IRL to get back to innovation, but at a reasonable cost. High cost will doom it like it did cart. Multiple engine makers is a good start and multiple companies building aero packages will be even better. Lower cost chassis with any number of exterior changes will be the best of both worlds.

          You guys have been predicting and begging for Barnharts firing for years. I do not think that is going to happen. If Belaskus wants to make rule changes, he will. Does not matter what Barnhart wants. I am sure Bobby will talk to IMS admin and discuss his issues. Have always been a fan since he had it out with that Furanner who tried to take the race from him.

        • Unser
          You read the article too and came away with the "it was about NASCAR" angle? Odd.

          Shouldn't you be skiing in the alps with your 18 to 35 year old children who hang on every word out of IMS and Versus writers such as Taser Martin? You and Penske gonna have another meeting on the high slopes?
        • Chief I said comprehension is important. The article I read and quoted from, unlike your paraphrasing is that Unser was saying spec is bad and that America does not like spec. Respectfully he is wrong. Spec is what NASCAR was when it became wildly popular.

          I agreed with him that the IRL needs to be innovative, but within reason. Spec is not what caused the IRL issues. What caused that was a bad break up from cart, carts failure to die peacefully and the lingering hatred from the haters among other issues. But as you have said, that is all in the past.

          I touched on all parts of Unsers convo, not just twisting the parts to say what you wanted them to as you did with both Unser and Stewart.
        • FAAAST Testing Red Chinese Driver!
          Now that's progress! Ho Chi-Min or some such became the first Chinese IRL test driver! At Sebring, not Indy! Maybe the GM sell to china interests?

          Maybe, Hulman's sell to CHina interests? Raise much speculation!
        • American Hot Shoes
          Why wouldn't the IRL require team owners to hire only American drivers? Seems only opportunities are going to foreign drivers with cash these days. IRL going backwards...not good.
        • Now you are using racism to dodge issues. Truly sad.
        • What's more
          Foreign ride-buyers and word that Ropin' Rand-all is looking for big pay days, outsourcing race dates. The whole thing is toejam football.

          Minor league and all you IRL guys who read this in the sport as well as these cornball fans know it.
        • Why Indy Cars do not matter to Anericans
          Read the quote below. This is why 99.9 percent of Americans, and most racing fans, are not interested in the IRL/Izod whatever. "Brand awareness", "target demogrpahics", "product activation", "marketing areas", gobbeldee gook, gobbeldee geek. They want Fireball, and Vuky, AJ, and LeeRoy, Cale, Dale, the Gasman and the Fylin' Hawaiian. Don the Snake, Big Daddy, The Wild Child, and guys named Buddy. Race car drivers who curse, smoke, drink, chase skirts, and tell it like it is. Mix in gentlemen racers with steel balls namde Rex, Rick, Dan, and Johnny, Texans, Californian's, and wild-eye cowboys from New Mexico. The Arizona Cowboy, Pelican Joe, and Awesome Bill from Dawsonville. Today? Coporate clean-speak, and activation, market target, blah-blah. Boring racers, boring races, business 101. And the sport is dying. Move it to Brazil and China then. You wanna see real race car drivers then, go to the American local short track. Ho-pin dickey, the sport is very sickey. Call it dead if not niche for nerds.

          â??For brands that are much more international in terms of their focus, they will absolutely become increasingly interested as the league and/or its drivers get more profile, whether itâ??s Alex in Canada or Ho-Pin in China or the Brazilians,â?? Atkins says. â??The profile for Indy in Brazil is probably higher than any other country outside of the United States and Canada because they have a vested interest in the drivers.

          â??Iâ??ve been going to China for 20 years and understand how brands can develop their awareness there, and itâ??s a certainty that Ho-Pin can be an extremely efficient way to build brand awareness for a brand that wants to be known in China. Very efficient versus the traditional ways to build a brand because itâ??s a vast market and itâ??s very complex. The population dynamics are beyond anything that exists anywhere else.â??
        • Ok, I started to get seasick trying to read the quote. May want to try again, and this time type it. For some reason cut and paste does not work well on this blog.
        • IRL's Vision of Failure
          The IRL's vision is a failure. Using your analogy Iman, Tony george was a racist for his desire to give young Americans a chance at Indy. Then, after he got them interested, protected them with 25/8 to insure they could race at Indy.

          It's ok....because you IRL hypocrites are going to have to swallow the next grate piece of news: The Mercosur Grand Prix.

          IRL vision is a failure...kicked off ovals, reaching for foreign shores for $$$ with their grate American brand of racing that generates the lowest TV ratings in history at Indy, AND is on a remote backwoods 4th tier cable network station that generates 0.30 tv ratings.

          Run out of American track to soil, eh Iman? FAILURE.....DEATHBLOW 2011 is upon you.
        • We really do need to work on your comprehension. i do not think TG said any of his thoughts and ideas in a really bad Chinese accent as you tried to do. That is what is racist.

          So which is it, you earlier stated that the IRL will be around for many years to come, now you are spouting off about some Deathblow 2011. Is that a new WWE smackdown you watch? What exactly does "Run out of American track to soil, eh Iman?" mean? What is a track to soil? A farming thing?
        • Cutsie
          Playing coy, huh Iman? In this context, accidentally misspelling words does not constitute racism no matter how much your IMS/IRL spin meter is on rabid cycle.

          Xenophobia as exhibited by Tony George and the IMS minions during the creation phase of the IRL is what could be considered racist, racing-wise. And, when you couple the sorry state the IRL left the AOW landscape in today AND IMS' decision to have mostly foreigners and expansion to foreign soil for street races...well, you have what is known as HYPOCRISY. All of the IMS/IRL crowd is made of this ilk. It's good Chinese racers are OK and multiple foreign races are ok too, with a foreign fuel suppliers etc etc.

          The IRL has been 'run' out of MANY American markets because NO ONE WANTED OR LIKED THE PRODUCT. Now, you need to crawl to the evil foreign tracks with foreign ride buyers and engine leases and spec chassis.

          Iman, just admit it, the IRL is, was and will always be A FAILURE.
        • 15 Seasons of 'Failure'
          ...and preparing to get the 16th underway. Yeah, it's a failure all right. That's a lot of seasons of turning wheels.

          LOL.
        • Really your excuse is misspelling? Actually most of the issues were the grammar which mysteriously coincides with racist stereotypes of broken english.

          So what rules did TG put in place that were racist? Did he say no blacks? No Asians? The worst you say is that he was xenophobic. But even that is not correct. if anything, it was more protectionism.

          I have long stated I do not like street races and would like more Americans in the series. But between the IRL and cart, the IRL had the best chance for me to see what I like. Cart had abandoned both ovals and Americans.

          Tell me a story like Sarah Fisher could have happened in Cart. Of course not. We saw what happened to Jeff Gordon. No money, no way to race.
        • Burl Hatterley from CA?
          What an embarrassment that state is! Bankrupt every year - free loading state - no wonder you want everything your way. That state is use to it.

          Pelosi is taking over for Bernard...
        • Hey - I live in CA!
          I understand your point. CA is a drag on America and should be given to Mexico or Canada as a concession for our past infringements.

          But, hey this is Indycar and I am the King - They love me in Indy, they love me in Vegas, they love me in Miwaukee - Hell they love me in CA - the Terminator - err - Governor even calling me on my cell begging me to race there - Arnold, with the tax rates??? I don't think so.
        • Hey - I live in CA!
          I understand your point. CA is a drag on America and should be given to Mexico or Canada as a concession for our past infringements.

          But, hey this is Indycar and I am the King - They love me in Indy, they love me in Vegas, they love me in Miwaukee - Hell they love me in CA - the Terminator - err - Governor even calling me on my cell begging me to race there - Arnold, with the tax rates??? I don't think so.
        • 20 ovals and COUNTING
          IRL don't even have a competitor and it's dropping ovals like hot coals. Fontana, Michigan, Nazareth, Charlotte, Loudon, Gateway, Walt Disney World, Dover, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Chicagoland, Kansas, Pikes Peak, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Nashville, Richmond, Texas(2), Homestead, Watkins GLen (oval, only twizted).

          Heck, there's probably more too I ain't even mentioned. YES, IRL is a failure. PERIOD. The sucked so bad in these markets over the past 16 years they have nothing to show for it. What happened?
        • RIGGGHT
          I know, they dropped ovals to appease the CART/CCWS crowd and dumped non-performing promoters. YADA YADA YADA.

          Point being, the stodgy crowd refuses to accept the point that the 3 wide side by side "throw a blanket" over 'em fanbase has vanished. Why? Because the IRL has been nothing but a contrived waste of space, not even worthy of a race fan's interest. Admit it, the IRL sucks. 2011 is upon you....
        • More correctly, 2011 is upon you. Time to choose a side. Are you a hater of the changes or do you see common ground that will bring you in support of the series. I have chosen. Now it is your turn. Anyone can sit there and throw rocks at it.
        • I still will not spend a penny on the series
          What once was thousands will remain $0.00. Defender and you told me I'm not the target market. You want the kids that stay on their parents health benefits until they are 26.

          No, I shall sit back and watch how this all plays out, keeping the IMS and everyone else HONEST. I guess the war in on in Rio...this should be good for IRL tourism in 2011. The gangs are fighting back too....maybe Talkin Terry needs to make a deal with them gangs, you know, they are in the IRL's wheel-house!
        • Definition of Hypocrisy
          One is claiming not to watch any of something said to be the object of scorn (usually expressed in tact, spelling and grammar challenged ways), but commenting virtually every waking moment anyway.
        • Wrong again Buccaneer
          Where I get my information is not important...what is important is the IRL and it's fanbase is EXACTLY as I and every racing fan in the UNIVERSE perceives the IRL...as failures and hypocrites. TRUTH speaks VOLUMES.

          IF I EVER SAY I LIKE THE IRL (or izzycar series) then, THEN I could be considered a hypocrite. Until then, not...
        • Unanswered Question(s)
          If you dislike the IZOD IndyCar series, why do you pay attention to, then comment on every little detail that gets released to the popular press, and then some? Why would you not simply find something else to enjoy?

          On the planet from which I originate, we refer to such behavior 'hypocrisy.'
        • Unimportant Question(s)
          Your constant desire to negate my comments by making ME the subject is pure ploy on your part.

          As a dyed in the wool Hulmanite, you, of all people accepting the CART way of life for the IRL (which sold it's own soul for CART yen) is the pinnacle of AOW hypocrisy. You are that.

          The tact you and IRL use will NEVER work with me or fans like me. NEVER. I suggest you do more harm than good for the ol' IRL.
        • Official Name: IZOD IndyCar Series
          FYI, the name change is now official. It is now called the IZOD IndyCar Series. Please make a note of it and discontinue your use of the obsolete acronym 'IRL.' Thanks. For more, go to:

          http://www.indycar.com/news/show/55-izod-indycar-series/40613-building-on-the-familiarity-of-indycar/

          You're welcome.
        • You call it what you want
          But it's the IRL to me...same 9 year old cars etc. How long has it been since an original IRl based owner/team ever won anything? EVOLUTION baby...yup, it's been that long since the CART boys came in took over.

          Even Dale Coyne won a race in the good old IRL....hahhahahahaha! 2011 is gonna be a hOOt6Q!
        • In The World of Adults...
          ...it is referred to as the IZOD IndyCar Series. Drivers in that series are IndyCar drivers. Children who tenuously cling to a failed entity that long since killed itself, twice, as if it is still relevant appear more foolish than mere words can describe.

          Any objective adult might suggest one thing: Grow up. 2011 will be here in less than a month.
        • With less cars
          I'm just trying to make the world of AOW better for all of us...including the stodgy adults.

          Randy took a big step forward today slamming the IRL for not having the best drivers in the series. Seriously, that will go a LONG way to satisfy the true fans of the sport as Randy essentially admits the IRL stinks. Great move Randy, that's almost an apology!
        • Stodgy adult comments lacking
          What happened? Randy did something good for once, and you IRL bootlickers have no comments? Randy knows the credibility stinks for the IRL. He knows the IRL has been riddled with bad driver throughout it's history.

          Again, KUDOS to Randy for getting a dirty job done (and kicking to the curb the IRL refuse)!
        • Go Get 'Em Chief!
          Sincerely,

          Juan Caceres, Fabrizio Del Monte, Fullvio Ballabio, Ross Bentley, Brian Bonner, Geoff Boss, Joel Camathias, Guido Dacco, Michael Greenfield, Paul Jasper, Dennis Vitolo, Jeff Wood, Charles Nearburg, Harry Sauce, Patrick LeMarie and Jean-Pierre Frey.
        • It's WIN WIN for EVERYONE!
          HAy, why isn't Ed Carpenter, Milka Duno, Ricky Treadway, Tyce Carlson, PJ Chesson, Shiggy Hattori, Roger Yasukawa, AJ Foyt IV, Danica Patrick, Paul Dana, Jimmy Kite, Paul Durant, Cowboy Brad Murphy, Davey Hamilton, Billy Boat, Greg Ray, Eddie Cheever, Buddy Rice, Buddy Lazier, Jacques Lazier, Dr. Jack Miller, Airton Dare, Alex Barron, and Scott Sharp on that list? They all have the same thing in common.

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