IndyCar CEO reverses course on profitability prediction

January 26, 2011
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Is the IndyCar Series going to be profitable this year?

IndyCar Series CEO Randy Bernard acknowledges that’s the question he hears more than any other since he took the reigns of the open-wheel series last March.

The answer to that question has changed.

In separate interviews last May, Bernard and Indianapolis Motor Speedway CEO Jeff Belskus told me the series was likely to be self-sustaining, even profitable, by 2011.

At this month’s State of the Series address, Bernard said that’s not going to happen. It could happen if that was the No. 1 priority of series officials, but it’s not.

The issue became a hot-button topic after former series CEO Tony George said the series must be profitable by 2013 or there’d be no 2013 IndyCar Series season. Many motorsports insiders feel George’s inability to lead the series to profitability got him fired.

Sources close to the series said Bernard still has about a $12 million gap to bridge this year to reach profitability.

“Of course we want to make a profit,” Bernard told the crowd at this month’s gathering at the Westin Hotel. “Let me make it very clear, the most important thing we can do [this year] is not take short cuts.

Bernard thinks this year—the year of the Indianapolis 500 centennial and a year before the series unveils new chassis and engines—is a year to invest in building the brand of the series and its drivers. That would improve media, guest and corporate relations, and amp up television ratings and live race attendance. He has been flying coast-to-coast this off-season pumping up the series and working on deals. This week he is in Los Angeles trying to work some deals.

“I believe we could be profitable this year if we really wanted to,” Bernard said. “But this is no time to cut corners. We must lay a solid foundation for the future.”

Bernard is convinced that the increased exposure from the 100-year anniversary of the Indianapolis 500 will help him put the series in position to be profitable by 2012.

The 2011 series kicks off March 27 in St. Petersburg, Fla.




 

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  • Anybody seen any Advertisements?
    Nice article Anthony.

    When is "The Most Important Race in History" taking place? Haven't seen any reference to it anywhere on TV or internet.

    I suspect the race they are talking about is March 27th.
  • Put Up Or Shut Up
    Anthony, who are these sources? And when will someone, anyone, obsessed about IMS/INDYCAR finances lay out an accurate accounting of revenue against expenses to add validity to even the most dire chicken little scenarios that never seem to come to pass?

    With regard to 2011 promotion, again, how about a different, fresher approach? Chief, if Randy Bernard called you, put you in charge and gave you a checkbook with no limit, what are the top 10 things you would do to adequately promote 'The Most Important Race In History?' Please be specific. Thanks in advance.

    These generalized swipes taken willy-nilly by mostly ignorant and often hostile critics reflect badly on those so obsessed. Let us please elevate the dialog.
  • sources
    Defender, my sources are consultants that have worked directly with and for the series. These sources are solid, or I wouldn't use them. I've been a reporter for 22 years, and there's way too much at stake with something like this to use unreliable sources. I was told the series lost $22 million in 2009 and $15 million in 2010. I've never had one series official call me to the carpet on those numbers. Which tells me, either they are conservative or spot on. Actually, given the increased investments in the series that are planned for 2011, I'd say closing the gap by $3 million (from the 2010 loss) is pretty good.
  • Evidently I Am Not The Only Defender
    Me too. It is definitely progress, especially given the state of the economy. It is interesting as well knowing they could be profitable in 2011 but are making investments instead. That probably drives a bottom line guy like Belskus crazy.

    My experience with IMS is that they never say anything one way or the other about anything related to their finances. In other words, someone could simply dream up a number; e.g., the INDYCAR Series has lost three quarters of a billion dollars in the past sixteen years, publish it, and IMS would not say a word.

    In the event numbers published by columnists with unnamed sources hit close to home, they would probably try to figure out who had loose lips (whether internal personnel or external consultants) and take quiet action.
  • Let's Ask The Inside Sources to be More Specific
    Anthony, sorry to harp, but could you lay out an accounting of revenue versus expenses that amounts to a $22 million loss in 2009 and $15 million in 2010? Cumulatively, that is over a million dollars per race. How is that possible?

    Please facilitate as granular an accounting as you can. I want to understand where/how the money is made, where/how it is spent, and how it is possible to lose a million per once it's all counted. That defies logic.
  • While we all want to see it profitable, it does make sense to invest at a very critical time. Not only the Centenial era, but also coming out of a recession. To narrow the losses in a deep recession is good and also promising.

    I think IMS is right to believe that 2012 and beyond will be profitable. New engines, new sponsors, the hype over 100 years, end of the recession etc... will add their bottom line.

    If NASCAR does not make some changes to make the racing more affordable and less stressful on drivers, teams and fans, Indy could see more sponsors and possibly teams looking at Indy as a better alternative.
  • Chump Change
    Lets be honest here. IndyCar might be taking a hit (improving a little each year till it is profitable is great). But don't think for a second that the Hulman Family is hurting. I have read that Clabber Girl is doing great, and the Indy 500 is still a cash cow. I'm sure the Hulman's are perfectly content at this point to let Bernard spend what needs to be spent to put the series in a better position to be more profitable in the future. Sure, save some cash now, break even...but what about 5 years from now? The sport needs to grow to be profitable. Spend the money now, and reap the rewards in the future.
  • Fine by me
    The way things are going lately, I say now is DEFINITELY the time to spend. It's an easy write-off for the Hulman Corp. and it's necessary to help push the league over the hump. This momentum will have them self-sustaining in less than 5 year. Congrats to Ropin Randy for taming this beast!

    P.S. Chief and Hurl have been writing doomsday messages for as long as I can remember. They will still be writing them when IndyCar is returns to dominance. Pay them no mind.
  • Dominance
    It is the 'dominant' form of AOW in this country.

    When the series returns to prominence from the destruction caused in the hands of the Hulman George clan, I will then have nothing longer to question or 'doomsday' about.

    Prominence is FAR OFF friends...So, go read "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner", as yee albatross around thy neck is hard to shed.
  • Cuts to Milka Money
    "Actually, given the increased investments in the series that are planned for 2011, I'd say closing the gap by $3 million (from the 2010 loss) is pretty good."

    Didn't they cut their funding to the teams by 2 million for 2011?
    They claimed it was so Milka couldn't race, but if they really wanted that, they would have just pulled her license. So, there's 2/3 of the gain.

    I'll leave it to defender to figure out where the rest of the $$$ is coming from.



  • excuses excuses excuses
    Do these people ever learn?

    Look, The IRL League/Searies/Indy 500 oval only American drivers in American cars dream was DOA. And 15 years later, the hulmanistas still cant get over the fact that this thing sucks the big one. They've remade themselves 50 times over, and overpromised and underdelivered every step of the way.

    I say - quit trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and just kill this thing. Nobody wants this brand, nobody cares, and nobody will. EVER.

    Like chief accurately stated: THERE IS NO MENTION OF THIS 100 YEAR ANNIVERSARY RACE BIGGEST RACE IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE in any media outlet anywhere. Face it Super D: Your dream is over.

    I'll be elsewhere in May, and I've already been offfered free tickets from countless sources.

    Indy 2011: No thanks, tired of the empty promises and shattered dreams.
  • say it like it is
    Why can't Randy Bernard just say it like it is. Last March he thought he could get in there and make the series break even or profitable within a year. But after getting a closer look, realizes that isn't possible. Is it any different than Mayor Ballard promising to cut the city's budget by 10 percent, then after getting in office and getting a real look at things, saying, oh no, that's not going to be possible. By 2012, I'd say Randy Bernard better be singing a different tune. No one has forgotten what Tony George said. If it isn't profitable by 2013, there won't be a 2013!!! Or are Mari Hulman-George and the three sisters back-tracking on that now.
  • Looks Like This Comment Thread Is Also Headed for 100 Mostly Idiotic Replies
    Have you ever noticed the most vociferous critics:

    -Are mostly illiterate, with spelling and grammar errors galore, not to mention the posting styles of third graders?

    -Never, EVER answer direct questions...just divert?

    -Never, EVER make sense? Out of one side of their fingers they type tripe such as "When the series returns to prominence from the destruction caused in the hands of the Hulman George clan, I will then have nothing longer to question or 'doomsday' about" but in other missives refer to INDYCAR as 'cart 3.' Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

    It would be nice to exchange dialog with adults. It does not appear that will happen in this comment thread, either.

    Attention chicken littles: Let's take an adult approach. Tell me how YOU would make it more to your liking than it is now.

    Personally, I will only get worried once those obsessed with it, even the illiterate ones, simply stop discussing. Then, and only then, will I know there is a problem.
  • 2012 is COMING!
    HaY! How is the series gonna afford all these new engines, and chassis and tech gobbledegoop that is coming? If they are LOSING money with 9 year old chassis spec engines and ride buyers NOW....holy Moly! How are they gonna afford 2012?

    Defender, the coveted magic TV ratings demographic don't even have JOBS! Send up and S.O.S. asap!
  • concerned
    If i were Defender i would be a bit concerned about this new revelation. This year is already starting out with ride buyers galore on an obscure network. Chief raises a good question about where will the money come from next year. Dallara and Chevy will not build the car and engines for free. I see a lot of 10 year old cars on the grid in 2012. I'm concerned and Defender should be as well.
  • Place your bets
    Betcha that the Indy 500 2011 does NOT sell out.
  • Why Is It That Those Who Understand the Least Cackle The Loudest?
    Lawrence, I am not concerned. I have not been concerned since I started going to the track in 1959. People who say they are concerned are, and there is no nice way to say this, completely ignorant and don't get it.
  • Chief did you just ask where the series is going to get the money to buy chassis and engines? you do realize the series does not buy them, the teams do. Lets do a little remdial for you. Sponsors support teams, and allow them to buy engines, chassis and pay crews etc.... All those new sponsors that have been announced will be paying for those engines and chassis.

    And you do have a real issue with typing of late. I do not remember you having so many typos and gramatical issues before. Is anything wrong?
  • Then WHO is paying for the Dallara Plant?
    Yup...TAXPAYERS. Via phoney bonds.

    Look, this has all been covered before. Chevy, Lotus don't a have a pot to urinate in. Can't wait for the LOTUS commercials to appear during the SUPER BOWL extolling the virtues of the IRL tomfoolery.

    Indyman... put down the crackpipe and realize there is a life outside of your deceased parents basement. It's all about CONTEXT friend...not SPELLING. That's why I dine at MCL's....they understand CONTEXT.
  • Spelling 101
    You two spend too much time observing grammar yet let important business pass as you deflect and divert attention. Are you both (D and Iman) some kind of Central State drop outs or something? Or, are you just too embarassed that the IRL is a screw-up deal that YOU support blindly? Yeah, oh yeah...THE TRUTH has been found!
  • Back to the Subject
    Let's get back to the point. We could go on and on and on and on... (you get it) about why Chief can't spell and why he reeks of geritol and brill cream. The real point is that, yes, IndyCar (and the Hulmans) can easily write off another ten million dollar loss if they choose to keep pumping up the series. It's the SERIES that has the shortfall, not the race. The Indianapolis 500 is a cash cow. The biggest single day sporting event annually. Even if it isn't SRO (standing room only), it's still doing just fine as an institution. Randy B just wants to invest in growth right now, rather than cut corners to turn a profit. Fine by me.

    Also, the TEAMS are buying the equipment. Remember that the team owners are largely a collection of Millionaires and some close to Billionaires. When they need to purchase new equipment, even their losses are write-offs. That doesn't mean they will be happy about it and not cry and whine in their owners meetings, but I'm telling you that you will see at least 18 -22 cars in the series in 2012. Put that in your "my favorites" Chief and pull it back out in 2012 when I'm right.
  • Also...
    It's in everyone's best interest to not try and persuade Chief and/or Hurl that things are better. You can rub as much proof as you like in their face and you will never get through. They are like "The Joker" character in Batman. "Some people just want to watch the world burn."

    In their world, IndyCar is a dead. The races they see on TV, the new sponsors and manufacturers that have signed on, and the crowd that gathers in Indy before Memorial Day are just figments of their imagination. They aren't real. They are where the bad people can't hurt them anymore.
  • I know, don't feed the trolls, but it is so fun.

    Chief, didn't mean to insult you, just seems like you are taking less time on your posts.

    What bonds are you talking about? You always go off the reservation and that makes it hard to follow your train of thought. That is ok since your train normally ends up on a dead end spur.
  • concerned
    If i was J and Indyman i would not waste my time worrying about other posters but about the overall health of the series.Remember it is a series that looks to be supported by one race and Honda. Next year it will be supported by the folks of Marion County and the state of Indiana. Once again Chief raises a good point. Where are all these new big time sponsors that will buy these new cars? Why does Penske not have a full time sponsor for Helio this year? That to me says a lot. Defender says i am ignorant to be concerned. I think it is ignorant not to be concerned at least a little bit.
  • Tax Payer Funding
    "The town of Speedwayâ??s Economic Development Commission is meeting today to consider a request for a $6.5 million bond to pay for the new Dallara building."

    Taxpayers shoulder the cost of Dallara investment until the tax revenues are realized. That's a lot of taxes to be recovered...or they just use Federal Flood Relief funding to pay for the IRL's folly.

    http://www.indy.com/posts/146037
  • Economic Development Proponent Raises His Hand
    As a taxpayer in Speedway and Marion County, I fully support the great efforts of the Redevelopment Commission, which is doing fantastic work as the gentrification of old Speedway continues. They are creating an economic zone of unlimited potential.

    I am also very happy to hear the INDYCAR Series continues investing in its future.
  • I guess that would be the current sponsors and the new ones I named in the above post. As far as Helio, he is the least of my worries for getting sponsorship. With Penske's announcement of Meijer as primary sponsor, I do not think you need to worry about Helio finding his way back.

    How is the Indycar going to be supported by the State and City? It is comments like that where I really have to scratch my head and wonder what makes you think that.

    Chief,

    We have been over this a dozen times. Using bonds to lure a company, be it Dallara or Frito Lay is about tax base. To say the series is supported by taxpayers because of economic development bonds is like saying that the NFL is supported by taxpayers because bonds were issued to build Reebok a new factory.

    Sorry, you are getting really desperate to find anything to squawk about.

  • Penske sponsors
    Meijer? That's the big new sponsor for Penske? Aren't they a grocery chain based in Indiana? A regional chain not a national one? Doesn't scream big sponsor to me. How many thousands are they spending? For this to be a big sponsor for a team like Penske is very telling. This year is going to tell a lot about next year and i think Randy is starting to see what he really has to deal with.This new announcement tells me a lot. I would like to be wrong. We'll soon see.
    • Loose lips sink ships
      Drivers and team owners are under gag-orders. A sponsor doesn't have to be big to be successful in the IRL...all they want is quantity so they can say '15 news sponsors'. $$$ and TV ratings are not important because of the minimum amounts of money REALLY coming in. Kinda like 350% ROI claims that are not tied to profits, just digital impressions. Faux success. Yep, we'll see how it turns out.

      QUESTION: What does the "Most Important Race in History" MEAN? What is it all about and why is it so important?
    • J
      Meijer has over 200 stores located in Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana and Kentucky. Headquarters in Michigan. Regional yes, but perfectly suited as a sponsor for Indycar!
      • Obsessed Critics: Use Your Brains
        Penske INDYCAR sponsors include (among many more):
        Bosch, Cintas, Hino Trucks, Mazak, Meijer, PPG, PTC, Shell, Pennzoil, Snap-On, Timberland and Verizon Wireless. 3 of those are 20+ year sponsors.

        Anyone who seriously believs Penske has sponsor troubles is even more goofy than they already appear.
      • From the articles I have seen, they are going to team up with Coke and other sub sponsors ala Target.

        I knew Chief was going to try to minimize the new Indy sponsors. I mean sure no one has ever heard of sponsors like Verizon, Sunoco, Avis and Starwood Hotels and new team sponsors like Meijer, Shell, Novo Nordisk and Service Central.


        It is also rather humorous to see Chief say "A sponsor doesn't have to be big to be successful in the IRL...all they want is quantity"

        That is true, even small sponsors can be successful in Indycar. (notice chief is still calling it IRL)? And when has a quantity of sponsors been a bad thing. Lots of sponsors are usually a good thing.


      • Lost in all of this...
        ...is the simple fact, a repeated mantra of validity, that the sport is just not popular. Not popular at all. .30 TV ratings. Lowest rated Indy 500 on Tv since live coverage began in 1986. Less than 10,000 in a major market for the Championship race. Famed Watkins Glen attended by trees and aluminum.

        Randy is paid highly to suggest the league will be profitable in order to sustain existing buisness realtionships through the much-ballyhooed (not) Centennial 500.

        Truth is, you can't sell ice cream to eskimos in the dead of winter.

        Anyone seriously involved with the sport knows that it is knocking on death's door.

        There is simply NO WAY the league will be profitable this yera or next (if theere is a next year) without illegally cooking the books.

        The whole thing is a sham and the IMS and Indy 500 is soon to go the way of Trenton and Ontario. I never thought I would see the day come. But it is very, very near.

        There is no money to be made on an overexpensive, poorly managed sport, of which fewer and fewer and fewer and fewer than even that people have an I-O-T-A of interest. IMS, The Indy 500, and the IZOD CAR League IRL Series League thingy are terminally-ill. Obits are being prepared.

        Poor Randall the EMT. He needs to call the coroner and move on to the next minor league, niche sport for CPR. This one is done.



      • Parents: Do Not Allow Your Children to Ingest Lead Paint Chips. The Results Can Be Devastating.
        "...is the simple fact, a repeated mantra of validity, that the sport is just not popular. Not popular at all. .30 TV ratings."

        Hey...what do you know? Yet another zap2it maven who ignorantly believes 12+ Nielsen numbers are gospel who has never even sniffed actual Nielsen numbers broken out demographically. I admire the childlike, simplistic way in which the brains of such obsessed folk work (it's really kind of cute, actually), but in the event such folk ever gain access to actual numbers, they might see that INDYCAR ratings in demos that sell advertising are UP 40%, and that is an increase no other sport can claim. I know that does not fit their quaint little agendas, but facts rarely do.

        "Lowest rated Indy 500 on Tv since live coverage began in 1986."

        But proportionately equal to other sports of similar importance over the same time period, and still very good ratings along with very high attendance.

        "Less than 10,000 in a major market for the Championship race."

        ISC track. Dropped. Perhaps if ISC management decides to promote INDYCAR with as much zest as they do their sister property NASCAR INDYCAR could be back.

        "Famed Watkins Glen attended by trees and aluminum."

        ISC track. Dropped. Plus they really screwed the pooch on the date selection last year. Perhaps if ISC management decides to promote INDYCAR with as much zest as they do their sister property NASCAR INDYCAR could be back.

        "Randy is paid highly to suggest the league will be profitable in order to sustain existing buisness realtionships through the much-ballyhooed (not) Centennial 500."

        I admire the progress Randy has made in promoting the INDYCAR brand. What is a 'buisness realtionship?' Those words seem foreign to adults.

        "Truth is, you can't sell ice cream to eskimos in the dead of winter."

        And frankly, who would want to? Sell them parkas.

        "Anyone seriously involved with the sport knows that it is knocking on death's door."

        Burl, this is why we adults dismiss your ilk as obsessed children. For sixteen years the handful of you have been shouting the same exact sentiment of doom over and over. With each passing year, the same handful of you have looked more foolish than you did the previous year as INDYCAR continues to turn wheels. Would it not be much easier to simply be honest with yourselves by acknowledging your position as obsessed fans, then simply enjoy a great sport? Why act like such delinquents? What is the point?

        "There is simply NO WAY the league will be profitable this yera or next (if theere is a next year) without illegally cooking the books."

        And yet the series will continue long after all of us are gone. If no member of the general public has access to the books of a private company, how on earth could you opine they are being cooked? You sound increasingly bitter, son.

        "The whole thing is a sham and the IMS and Indy 500 is soon to go the way of Trenton and Ontario. I never thought I would see the day come. But it is very, very near."

        So you're back to 'the sky is falling.' Isn't that just the cutest little thing you have ever seen? Would you like a hankie to wipe away the tears, little boy?"

        "There is no money to be made on an overexpensive, poorly managed sport, of which fewer and fewer and fewer and fewer than even that people have an I-O-T-A of interest. IMS, The Indy 500, and the IZOD CAR League IRL Series League thingy are terminally-ill. Obits are being prepared."

        So are preparations for another great season. This follows a season in which sponsor spend more than doubled to over $80 million dollars that drew over 1.2 million fans. Fourteen new blue chip sponsors have been announced over the past twelve months. Driver/team sponsorship announcements occur almost weekly. Do you have any concept of how completely ignorant your parroted chicken little routine is? Grow up, son.

        "Poor Randall the EMT. He needs to call the coroner and move on to the next minor league, niche sport for CPR. This one is done."

        How many years will have to go by before you discover and accept actual reality?
      • Defenseless
        You have nothing. So I don't know why you try. Very dismissive. Very dismissive, indeed. It is just not there for you, Defenseless. You just don't have the stuff.
      • My Mentoring Skills Have Kicked In
        I tend to be dismissive of the willfully ignorant. What I have, son, is reality. The truth will set you free. As long as you are obsessed you might as well grow up, eh?
      • More LIES and PROPAGANDA
        "ISC track. Dropped. Plus they really screwed the pooch on the date selection last year. Perhaps if ISC management decides to promote INDYCAR with as much zest as they do their sister property NASCAR INDYCAR could be back."

        YOU LIAR. Watkins Glen was widely promoted...NO ONE CARES ABOUT INDYCAR. After manys year of parasiting off of NASCAR season tix to force fans to goofy IRL races, NASCAR dumped the IRL. ONE year later ISC throws the IRL out...non perforimg crapwagon racing NOT cared about in NY State. Good riddance.

        Stop lying about what REALLY happened. No one showed to see that stupid two-seater...no press because no one cared.
      • Slowing Down Even More For The Challenged
        Open your eyes, son. I know, that's impossible give the willful stupidity with which you grace these threads. ISC tracks were dropped. Compare the promotion at any ISC track for NASCAR versus INDYCAR. The differences, at least to those who possess objectivity and maturity, are striking.

        Here is a suggestion: Keep commentary confined to actual topics. The topic in this case are 'inside' acquaintances of Anthony who are probably in violation of NDAs to keep things saucy in here by proclaiming their opinion the INDYCAR Series is not profitable without actually seeing any books.

        You dig?
      • Stop Trying To Revise History to Fit Your Prejudice
        ...or you could look up a New York Times article that clearly indicates teh track was dropped, and that Watkins Glen management wanted to keep it.
      • Penske sponsors
        Penske should pick up Hy Vee since he is going after supermarkets. Iowa is full of em' and they got a race there.

        Adding a supermarket and using the brands they sell like Target and Ganassi is not the same as overall sponsorship. It looks a few of you seem to think that is true. These are not sponsors but just rolling billboards promoting a product. Big difference.
      • The Beauty of Co-op
        The Target-type sponsorships are usually the best and most lucrative. Their advertising co-op leverage is phenomenal. That's why you see so many themed paint jobs on Target cars. That list of associates actually foot the bill, and it does not cost any one associate a huge amount. That's one reason why that's a 20+ year sponsor for Ganassi.
      • Reality
        "So are preparations for another great season. This follows a season in which sponsor spend more than doubled to over $80 million dollars that drew over 1.2 million fans. Fourteen new blue chip sponsors have been announced over the past twelve months."

        And yet, the article you're posting in, is about how the .1RL lost $15,000,000.00 last year, even with all that "great news" you constantly parrot. LMAO

        Big man, pig man, ha ha charade you are...
      • All Six Of The Are Out Tonight.
        And yet the INDYCAR Series lives to see another year. As opposed to self immolation. Twice.

        With what part of the factual, verified data that I posted are you having difficulty wrapping your brain around?
      • That is typical of them. They realize the good news keeps rolling in, so they have to attack the messenger.

        I find it hard to believe that someone who claims to follow racing does not know how lucrative the Target and partners sponsorship. 7-11 does the same thing.

        So either they are ignorant of racing marketing or they are willfully ignoring it because they do not want to face the truth.
      • Name the FAILED IRL market
        What is it up to now, 20 tracks that the IRL tossed out because of lack of promotion?

        Yup, that's 20+ racing markets in the USA that were not successful as an IRL venue.

        Now, I know Mr. Defender would have you believe that over the 15 years of horrific attendance and TV ratings for the IRL, it was never the IRL's fault. Always the promoters, the lack of marketing, you know...everything but actual IRL racing itself that couldn't hold a crowd. I mean, you seen one 0.000054 second finish, you've seen them all.

        Why couldn't the IRL keep races at these 20+ tracks? And, even though CART was successful at some of the same tracks, the IRL barely can pull in fractions of the attendance CART/CCWS pulled in. WHY?
      • The Truth Hurts Sometimes
        Uh, Chief...go back and count the number of failed cart venues during their lifetime for comparative purposes. That number is much higher. You also keep saying ratings and attendance for Indy Car were 'horrible' over the first fifteen years. Actually, neither supposition is true in the context of actual reality, except to bitter cart enthusiasts who create obtuse straw men scenarios to justify their ludicrous stances, all of which are without merit.

        The primary proof is in the continuation of business, and two facts remain:

        -The INDYCAR Series is in business and is considered healthy by professionals who actually see it as a successful venture.

        -cart killed itself. Twice.
      • Indy 500 REJECTION
        Looks like the NASCAR double idea is falling deaf ears....Jimmie Johnson sez sorry, Indy not important. Looks like another promise Mr. Bernard wont keep.

        Rusty Wallace said he wouldn't get out of an electric chair to drive an INDYCAR.

        What's the matter? This is "The Most Important race in History"?
      • What Happened to the Topic?
        Does this mean we won't have 33 again this year? LOL. Your scattershot approach to topic diversion is just the cutest thing.
      • Chief,

        Not that I don't trust you, but list the 20 tracks the IRL was suposedly thrown out of. Not that I don't trust you to be truly honest, but you do not have a great track record of backing up your statements with facts, or even stating facts correctly. Case in point. "Looks like the NASCAR double idea is falling deaf ears....Jimmie Johnson sez sorry, Indy not important"

        From todays Star ""I really, really want to do it," Johnson said this week"

        "I'm just not sure if it's going to work for me. (Chandra, his wife) and I talked about it and (said) if the opportunity came along before we had kids, it was something I needed to do."

        ""I just wish we could have got GM to activate a few years ago," Johnson said. "I would be sitting here today saying, 'Yeah, I'm going' (to Indy)."

        Seems to directly contradict what you stated. So why do you lie? Seriously, don't dodge the question. I had this conversation with my 5 year old and he learned his lesson. Why lie when you know people are going to find out the truth? Doesn't make any sense.

        Goes for you too Burl. No one is buying the "I was just kidding" thing with the "mixed use development" thing. You were busted from the moment you typed it.
      • Hang 'em High
        What's 10% of 350%?
      • Does it really matter?
        Chief & Burl: IndyCar is dead. They will hold no more races ever again. You will never see an open wheel race other than F1 after 2013.

        Everyone else: IndyCar is growing. New sponsors, new manufacturers, larger race attendance. The sky is blue again.

        I vote to let the "doomsday" criers continue their rants. It's moderately entertaining and the fact is that they will both probably be sitting in the in-field in 2020 telling everyone around them that "this is the last Indy 500. Better enjoy it." While they sip on a PBR and face away from the track in some form of stubborn defiance.

        The truth is, none of it matters. I will beleive Chief and Hurl when I see the article that says "IndyCar Folding." Then I will be happy to commend them for a wonderful job of sleuthing the pitfalls of IndyCar. My question to them is, what about NASCAR? They have falling attendance and people are starting to lose sponsorship over there to. What do you say? 2015 the last year for the NECKCAR crowd?
      • I never said that
        I never said the series is dead. My comments often allude to its failed business practices and DEATH BLOWS against it.

        In fact, I see the internet abuzz with talk of IZOD and IMS in a legal battle over sponsorship...complete with blacklisting and everything. Gonna be a real dooozy. Alleged tampering etc by the speedway.

        You see I'm just a piano player...dont shoot me...
      • He Keeps on Shoveling
        Obviously you are gullible as well. Reliance on Mark Cippaloni for anything but nonsense is not very smart. Considering his meandering 'Internet buzz' is as laughable as your cockamamie theories. And, as usual, you mistakenly portray this as an issue between IZOD and IMS, and that also could not be further from the truth.

        Keep on trying, kid. One of these days one of your cute little fantasies may actually come to pass.

        But I doubt it.
        • Chief now you are trying to get us to beleive that you have never posted that the series was dead? Really? When will you stop with the lies?
        • paint
          Defender is there any way possible you could provide me a link with the sponsorship details of both Penske and Ganassi? You seem to know an awful lot about the matter and would appreciate any info i could get. I still believe the Target sponsorship is for "Target" only . When the cars change colors they turn in to billboards for Target with no additional monies from the products they are painted for.Please feel free to show me a link that shows i am wrong.
        • When is "The Most Important Race in History"?
          When is it? Why can't anyone answer that question? DEFENDER, can you check with your IMS programmers please and tell us?

          Word out of Indy is there is a lawsuit and IMS/IZoD are the culprits. Apparently (from internet sources everywhere) there is REAL money being sued for. Maybe they are going for the 350% ROI. Silly them, it's only DIGITAL IMPRESSIONS. OR I$ IT? I heard Andretti Autosport and AJ Foyts enterprizes were forced out of MILLIONS of DOLLARS of sponsorship by the IMS goons. It's in some papers filed in Marion County courts this week.

          Too bad the whole grid is under gag-orders! Darn! Defender and Iman....Season starts only 50+ days from now and NOTHING graces the airways about the centennial OR about the lame INDYCAR existence. 765MILLION and counting!
          • The Wonderful World of Cooperative Advertising
            "Defender is there any way possible you could provide me a link with the sponsorship details of both Penske and Ganassi? You seem to know an awful lot about the matter and would appreciate any info i could get. I still believe the Target sponsorship is for "Target" only . When the cars change colors they turn in to billboards for Target with no additional monies from the products they are painted for.Please feel free to show me a link that shows i am wrong."

            Thank you for asking, Laurence. Sponsorship deals typically do not have 'links.' You might research the general concept of cooperative advertising. Target writes the checks, but the checks are funded by a pile of smaller investments of brands interested in preferential placement in Target stores. That is largely how Sarah's Dollar General sponsorship works as well. There is nothing sinister, and it is a great way to facilitate quality sponsorship. Thanks for your quaint inquisitiveness.
          • The Obsessed Remain in an INDYCAR Frenzy
            "When is it? Why can't anyone answer that question? DEFENDER, can you check with your IMS programmers please and tell us?"

            Sunday, May 29, 2011.

            "Word out of Indy is there is a lawsuit and IMS/IZoD are the culprits. Apparently (from internet sources everywhere) there is REAL money being sued for."

            Mark Cippaloni. Outside your little circle of six or seven obsessed haters, no one else even cares.

            "Maybe they are going for the 350% ROI. Silly them, it's only DIGITAL IMPRESSIONS. OR I$ IT? I heard Andretti Autosport and AJ Foyts enterprizes were forced out of MILLIONS of DOLLARS of sponsorship by the IMS goons. It's in some papers filed in Marion County courts this week."

            I am certain the obsessed sleuths will let us know all the juicy details once they put their own quaint little inquisition staff to work. Meantime, the sport continues unabated.

            "Too bad the whole grid is under gag-orders! Darn!"

            Hmmm. That's odd. I have heard nothing of any such 'gag order.' Sounds like more kiddie fiction to me.

            "Defender and Iman....Season starts only 50+ days from now and NOTHING graces the airways about the centennial OR about the lame INDYCAR existence."

            You are just not looking in the right places and have no patience, young grasshopper.

            "765MILLION and counting!"

            765 what? Fictional posts by you?
          • Chief, more lies? So far I have caught you redbhanded on two lies in a row, now you are rattling off some nonsense about a super secret lawsuit that only you know about. You have learned lying well from your mentor burl. Too bad you did not learn the lesson about the fact that the lies are revealed.
          • TD
            Indyman are you Truth Detector over at TF? You seem to have the same thoughts as that guy. I like TD.
          • Chief
            Was it a lie when IMS DID NOT advertise during football playoffs? I think not.

            Apparently there was a lawsuit brought against the speedway. Not a lie.

            Watkins Glen was widely advertised...no one cared, no one showed at track, and ISC refused to pay a sanction increase for CRAP IRL racing. Not a lie.

            They are not lies....neither is CART outdrew the pitiful IRL at the same tracks. Not a lie.

            Only a handful of IRL/IMS sycopats and yes-men like yourself and Defender can't see the forest through the trees. Remember, if it's slightly negative to the great 500 or the IRL, it's a lie to you guys. Clearly paid IRL propagandists you are.
          • COMCAST now in control of NBC!
            Defenderererer, now that Comcast is in TOTAL control, WHEN will they take CONTROL of INdy 500 and IRL series and move it to our local OTA affiliates? I KNOW you have read the contracts! Tell us!!!

            The world awaits the BIG move from VerSUs and ABC to the Comcast family of INdyCAR networks. This will be the breakout year, fer sure!!! WooT!
          • funny stuff
            I have been reading the comments of this blog and have been laughing at all the comments. It appears out of all of this that Defender is good at spinning and avoiding. Same can be said for the other defenders who get mad when their favorite race and series gets challenged. These people need to face facts and simply turn on the tv during a race to see how bad the IICS is suffering. Randy is smart to come out early and admit a failure before it bites him in his butt!
          • Surely Fans Can't Be THAT Ignorant Can They?
            "Defenderererer, now that Comcast is in TOTAL control, WHEN will they take CONTROL of INdy 500 and IRL series and move it to our local OTA affiliates?"

            Probably never. The Golf Channel, Versus and some existing NBC Universal Networks (and possibly some of Telemundo) will probably be rolled into 'The NBC Sports Channel' designed to rival ESPN. They will immediately be in more households, and it is quite likely you will see INDYCAR events on NBC.

            "I KNOW you have read the contracts! Tell us!!!"

            NDAs. Sorry.

            "The world awaits the BIG move from VerSUs and ABC to the Comcast family of INdyCAR networks. This will be the breakout year, fer sure!!! WooT!"

            Actually, you will probably see the Indianapolis 500 on ABC another two years.

            The INDYCAR Series continues to thank you for your fervent and obsessed interest.

            "I have been reading the comments of this blog and have been laughing at all the comments. It appears out of all of this that Defender is good at spinning and avoiding."

            Hmmm. That's odd. Unlike Chief and others who rarely answer questions and instead divert, my responses are always clear and unambiguous. Perhaps your comprehension skills need remedial attention.

            "Same can be said for the other defenders who get mad when their favorite race and series gets challenged."

            I wouldn't call it anger. Usually it is merely amazement at the obsessive ignorance continually on display.

            "These people need to face facts and simply turn on the tv during a race to see how bad the IICS is suffering. Randy is smart to come out early and admit a failure before it bites him in his butt!"

            You must have an odd definition of failure. Randy has indicated the following:

            -Ratings in targeted demos were up over 40% this past season. No other sport can make that claim.

            -INDYCAR sponsorship spend in 2010 more than doubled to over $81 million.

            -14 blue chip league sponsors were signed over 12 months.

            -IZOD reports a 350% ROI after becoming the title sponsor.

            -Several new manufacturers have signed up to build new cars in 2012.

            People who refuse to recognize INDYCAR progress either possess the mental agility of a piece of concrete or the maturity of a kindergarten brat. Either way, such folks should seek assistance dealing with reality.
          • I was WRONG...it's 21 market the INDYCARS couldn't make it in
            HaY, here's that list you defenders wanted....these are 21 tracks/racing markets the IRL/INDYCARS couldn't sustain with it's hack style of racing. The INDYCARz are the "swiss cheese" of AOW.....holes all-over the map.

            So, what really did kill all these races? Poor promotion? There is one true constant: It's the IRL/Indycar series. Just an observation....

            WDW
            Phoenix
            New Hampshire
            Las Vegas
            Pikes Peak
            Charlotte
            Dover
            Atlanta
            Homestead
            Richmond
            Kansas
            Nashville
            Gateway
            Chicagoland
            Fontana
            Michigan
            Nazareth
            Milwaukee
            Watkins Glen
            Detroit
            Surfers Paradise
          • Nice List
            Hmmm. How interesting. It might surprise you to know that cart/champcar failed at twice as many venues over the same period. How do you explain that?

            Failed cart/champcar venues (41 or so):
            -Texas Motor Speedway (Colossally so)
            -Hawaiian Super Prix (Fantasy)
            -Korea (Fantasy)
            -Trenton
            -Ontario
            -Pocono
            -Mexico City I
            -Mexico City II
            -Mexico City III
            -Riverside
            -Cleveland
            -Road America
            -San Jose
            -Spain
            -Assen
            -Zolder
            -Detroit
            -Denver I
            -Denver II
            -Laguna Seca
            -Portland
            -Meadowlands
            -Quebec I
            -Quebec II
            -Quebec III
            -Sanair
            -Miami I
            -Miami II
            -Miami III
            -Vancouver
            -Rio
            -Vegas I
            -Vegas II
            -Vegas III
            -Houston I
            -Houston II
            -Brands Hatch
            -Rockingham
            -Germany
            -Monterrey
            -Chicago Clip

            Tracks that became obsolete in all series:
            -Michigan
            -Phoenix
            -Atlanta
            -Watkins Glen
            -Nazareth
            -Australia
            -Fontana
            -Homestead
            -Gateway
            -Belle Isle

            Failed cart tracks rescued by INDYCAR now enjoying renewed vigor:
            -New Hampshire
            -Motegi
            -Milwaukee
            -Long Beach
            -Vegas oval
            -Toronto
            -Edmonton
            -St Pete
            -Mid Ohio
          • 18 OvHals
            EIGHTEEN OVALS that the IRL, the described "Answer to the question nobody asked" got tossed off of 18 AMERICAN ovals. WHY were they tossed off?

            For a series that pledged to SAVE AMERICAN OVAL RACING it sure has done a lot to destroy it. Seems to me this newly adopted street racing direction indicates TOTAL and ABSOLUTE failure by the IRL. Why is that? Even in successful tracks they were tossed out. WHY?
          • comcast
            Comcast is going to save the series just you wait and see!
            Now that the merger has happened i predict that Versus will be bigger than ESPN.
          • Hmmm
            Yet CART, even dead, still outdraws the IRL/Indycars at the same venues....as much as 75% or more.

            How is it so, a series centered around the self-proclaimed "Most Important Race in History" can be so unsuccessful at keeping the core and focus of it's series? And TV ratings and attendance?

            If it were not for the MERGE of CART/CCWS with the IRL in 2008, the IRL would be toast.

            Today we celebrate a popcorn sponsorship and a toy track attraction. The sport once challenged F1...now, the Professional Bullriders Association draws more and has higher TV ratings. AND is on an OTA network. IRL is pathetic.
          • Some cart Enthusiasts Do Not Accept Actual Reality
            Chief, you are very entertaining. Pathetic, but entertaining.

            "Yet cart, even dead, still outdraws the INDYCARS at the same venues....as much as 75% or more."

            Important fact: cart no longer races. Twice. INDYCAR is preparing for its 16th straight season. Things cart did over 15 years ago does not matter in this century.

            "How is it so, a series centered around the self-proclaimed "Most Important Race in History" can be so unsuccessful at keeping the core and focus of it's series? And TV ratings and attendance?"

            It's enough to ensure the series does not go out of business.

            "If it were not for the MERGE of cart/ccws with the IRL in 2008, the INDYCAR Series would be toast."

            I love how you kids call that asset sale a 'merger.' Goes right along with the arrogance that killed that series. Twice.

            "Today we celebrate a popcorn sponsorship and a toy track attraction. The sport once challenged F1...now, the Professional Bullriders Association draws more and has higher TV ratings. AND is on an OTA network. INDYCAR is pathetic."

            But it IS alive. Unlike cart/ccws. Might as well grow up.
          • Records count...even with IRL SLUGS
            IRL can't put butts in the seats...NASCAR far out paces the INDYCARS. TV ratings...NASCAR blows the hapless IRL away.

            Dude, the IRL is alive and still way down the list, well behind even CART. You can't stand it either, thats why you CONSTANTLY bring it up.

            How many in Toronto this year? 15,001? Edmonton want to beat the CART/CCWS attendance records. It means alot in this century. Just not to IRL bootlickers because they hate what they can't have.
          • Chief,

            I listed some of your lies and as typical you dodged them. So lets just have you address one. Why did you say Jimmie Johnson didn't care about running the 500? I proved you lied. why did you do it?
            you have no more credibility than burl. Truly sad.
          • Hey Chief, if you want publcity, this should do it. if they are able to pull this off the way it sounds, it will blow away a commercial during the Superbowl. Very audacious, lets see if they can make it work.
          • Iman
            Yes, I responded...does Indy castrate or neuter? Jimmie can still have kids AFTER he races at Indy, can't he?
          • Did you read the article? He has a kid. That was his whole point. He wanted to do it prior to having kids.

            And that still does not explain why you intentionally lied about what the article said.
          • No lie, Just facts
            If INDY was that important to NASCAR drivers they'd be there. It's not, so they don't. PLUS, they don't want to be killed or maimed in the catch fences AFTER they have children, apparently.

            AGAIN, does it make you sterile, or does INDY neuter their drivers?

            Iman, uhhhh, you missed my 20+ tracks the IRL has been tossed out of. Mostly OVALS the IRL was created to protect. 16 years of rescuing CART tracks, according to the Disciple of INDYCAR.
          • Defender ADMIT IRL was nothing BUT a POWERPLAY by IMS
            WOW....the world's most important DEFENDER/DISCIPLE of IRL/IndyCar/mINdYCAR sez at his world's most important defendering blog that the IRL WAS NOTHING BUT A POWERPLAY carried out by TONY GEORGE to gain control of AOW sport.

            I agree with you Defenderer. Now, why won't RANDY BERNARD stop beating around the bush and ADMIT that's what the speedway did and accept responsibility (just HE said he might have to do)?

            Do it, so we can get beyond this bickering.
          • Facts created by your imagination. I guess you know better than Johnson what he thinks? While some drivers may consider Indycar more challenging than NASCAR, it is not more dangerous. NASCAR lost 5 drivers in a years time in 2000-01. IRL lost 3 drivers in in its existence, even though there is much less sheet metal and much faster speeds. So your argument does not hold water. You will see NASCAR drivers again running in the 500.

            I was actually laughing at your list. As I figured you have many errors in your rush to judgement. IRL and NASCAR both left Milwaukee because they were owed millions from the promoter. From an MSN article "The track withdrew from hosting major events after previous promoters ran into financial problems and a suitable replacement couldn't be found."


            Walt Disney World Speedway From Wiki
            "After the 2000 IRL season, series officials and Walt Disney World were not able to come to an agreement for a race date for 2001. IRL officials were unsatisfied with the January date, as it was seen to be too early for most teams to be prepared for the season. There was typically a six week gap until the second race of the season. Disney officials also were concerned with the impending conflict with Super Bowl XXXV, to be held in Tampa presumably the same weekend."

            Doesn't sound like IRL was dropped from the track.

          • WDW
            Didn't Tony George build or contribute to the building of the track? Wow, one race a year and they had trouble getting another spot on the WDW calendar.

            Laughing at my list? Those are 21 racing markets left in 16 years of IRL competition. IRL was not able to sustain the markets. More lies huh?

            We're laughing at you Iman.
          • Pikes Peak and Nazareth. Both tracks closed. Technically I guess they threw both NASCAR and IRL out.

            Fontana, Chicagoland, Homestead, Kansas, MIS, Phoenix, Richmond and Watkins Glen are all ISC tracks. It is rumored that ISC originally saw IRL as a complimentary series when the economy was good and NASCAR was excelling. Now with the recession and NASCAR hitting issues, IRL is seen as a competitior for sponsors and fans and France eliminated IRL contracts as they came do even though attendance remained steady or was showing signs of increase. Of course no one wants to go on record saying that.

            The closest you have is New Hampshire which did separate due to attendance, but both parties were guilty as this Boston Herald article states
            "The IRL parted ways with New Hampshire following the â??98 season after then track owner Bob Bahre, who was the first to align himself with the fledgling league Tony George founded in 1995, became increasingly disenchanted with declining revenue and attendance of the four IRL events he hosted at his 1.058-mile oval from 1996-98.

            At the heart of the split between Bahre and the IRL was the lack of promotion â?? by either party â?? of open-wheel racing at New Hampshire. At the time, the IRL was in the midst of a major struggle to gain market share following its nasty split from Championship Auto Racing Teams, the first series to sanction a major event at NHMS in 1992.

            When Gappens was installed as the trackâ??s vice president and general manager, the native of Indiana who had a great appreciation for open-wheel racing and IndyCar racing, in particular, approached the IRL three years ago about adding NHMS to the schedule after IRLâ??s reunification with CART, but he was turned down."

            Sounds like alls well that ends well and we will see New Hampshire again.

            Charlotte was canceled due to the unfortunate incident with the tire getting booted into the crowd.




          • It is not the first time race series and tracks have had issues with dates. WDW is one you would want in cold weather at the same time with a 20 race schedule, you can only start so early and end so late. You do not want big holes in the race schedule.

            Chief, the laughter you hear is those tickled by your unique brand of creative discussion.
          • Tony was too stupid
            Iman, Tony George allowed himself to be taken advantage of by ISC.

            Why ISC is the culprit here boggles my mind. ISC gave the IRL some credibility by lend tracks to the IRL. But the motive wasn't to do business...it was to aid in the split....thereby effectively allowing NASCAR to ascend.

            THATS why when all of you Indy lovers get all worked up about the 16 years of IRL disfunction, we laugh.

            If the IRL wasn't created, the series wouldnt have the problems of today.
          • I agree when you say "If the IRL wasn't created, the series wouldnt have the problems of today." Cause it would not exist. As you said, cart killed itself. Had the IRL not bailed out, they would have crashed and burned as well.

            ISC may have had ulterior motives for aiding cart, but it was not necessary since cart was falling. Now that NASCAR is stumbling and the IRL is free of the zombie cart that kept being brought back from the dead, it seems they think the IRL may be a threat. It is riding a wave of new sponsors and supplier deals.

            I am not sure I have ever gotten worked up. Laughing at your and Burls lies and attempts to rationalize why a series that is dead was better than a series that is alive and growing.

          • revisionism
            Iman, you like it, don't you?

            CART was falling? When? Certainly not before 1996.
          • Hmmm. That's Odd. What Happened?
            Twice?
          • Changed your name again, huh?
            Your handlers made you change it. Too funny.
          • You are the one who said Cart killed itself. Obviously it was on the path to its own destruction. No revisions, just backing you up.

            So are you ready to revise your list of tracks that "kicked out" the IRL?

          • IRL ruined 21 markets
            No, no revisions necessary. The IRL/Indycar's record stands on it's own.
          • Any Super Bowl commercials planned by the speedway?
            Ratings should be through the roof for this super bowl. Great time to advertise the "Most Important Race in History".

            My prediction: The marketing staff at 16th and Georgetown are small potatoes, and with massive series deficits they will AGAIN miss a great advertising opportunity. So will all off the great sponsors they've been bringing onboard.
          • No Need To Worry Your Pretty Little Head
            Facts for the thought-challenged:

            -Cost of a :30 spot in the Super Bowl this year = $3 million dollars.

            -The inventory is sold out

            -The IZOD INDYCAR Series will receive exposure via Danica in GoDaddy spots.

            Here is a list of failed cart/champcar venues (41 or so):
            -Texas Motor Speedway (Colossally so)
            -Hawaiian Super Prix (Fantasy)
            -Korea (Fantasy)
            -Trenton
            -Ontario
            -Pocono
            -Mexico City I
            -Mexico City II
            -Mexico City III
            -Riverside
            -Cleveland
            -Road America
            -San Jose
            -Spain
            -Assen
            -Zolder
            -Detroit
            -Denver I
            -Denver II
            -Laguna Seca
            -Portland
            -Meadowlands
            -Quebec I
            -Quebec II
            -Quebec III
            -Sanair
            -Miami I
            -Miami II
            -Miami III
            -Vancouver
            -Rio
            -Vegas I
            -Vegas II
            -Vegas III
            -Houston I
            -Houston II
            -Brands Hatch
            -Rockingham
            -Germany
            -Monterrey
            -Chicago Clip

            Tracks that became obsolete in all series:
            -Michigan
            -Phoenix
            -Atlanta
            -Watkins Glen
            -Nazareth
            -Australia
            -Homestead
            -Gateway
            -Belle Isle

            Venues Rescued by INDYCAR:
            -New Hampshire
            -Motegi
            -Milwaukee
            -Long Beach
            -Vegas
            -Toronto
            -Edmonton
            -St Pete
            -Mid Ohio
          • So, CART history is only important when it suits your cause
            IF we are to accept your claims, then we must also consider that the IRL has NEVER even come close to matching the attendance at ALL the tracks that they had in common with CART, including the Indy 500.

            FACT.

            IRL failed at it's VISION (oval racing, american opportunity). FACT

            IRL dead...changed (as explained by Defender/Disciple of IRL/IndyCar/INDYCAR) name to appease CAT/CCWS haters. FACT

            When they combine the records of both series (from the merge of IRL and CCWS in 2008) you will see more of these pesky facts you dislike emerge. FACT

          • So as usual, since I provided the truth for most of the tracks you posted, you turn tail and run. Typical but to be expected.

            Penske and Ganassi announced some new sponsors as well this week. More good news.
          • Truth?
            I ran from nothing and maintain that IF the IRL concept was truly wanted they would still be at the majority of those tracks. They are not.

            That is the inconvenient truth for you and the series.
          • Literacy Assistance Available
            Serious question for Chief: Can you read? I am very serious. Help is available.
          • Now you are changing it. You said they were kicked out of those tracks.....dodge duck dive dip and dodge.

            Truth is sticky thing to dance with, isn't it.
          • Truth Detector
            Hey Truth Detector i mean Indyman, who are the new sponsors you speak of? How much are the deals worth? I figure you or Defender should know first hand.
          • They know everything
            Because the IMS/IRL/Speedway tells them what to say here.

            Except, they can't provide any evidence to the contrary of the 3/4's of a BILLION the Hulmans wasted to destroy the AOW sport and have to build it back up. Even the speedway can refute the claims.
          • Chief, attacking us is not going to divert attention to the fact that you have not revised your incorrect list of tracks or that you lied about what Jimmie Johnson said.

            Guidepoint GPS and PPG. They did not list dollar value. Primary on Helio for half season, Briscoe for 2 races and associate on all cars for the season.

          • No diversion
            Jimmie Johnson, regardless of interpretation, is NOT going to race at INDY. PERIOD. WHY not? Does INDY make you sterile?

            Tony Stewart, will not race there again either. You remember Tony, the American SHort Tracker that fullfilled the IRL's VISION until he split. The guy the IRL was designed for. What happened to all them guys.

            I will revise nothing, the 21 tracks the IRL was thrown out of (or to put more bluntly, couldn't sustain attendance at) remains. Spin it however you want but the OVAL plan was a failure.

            In fact, in 16 years of IRL existence how many original "IRL" based drivers actually won the Indy 500? How many Americans?

            See, failure anyway you slice it.
          • Like Talking To A Brick Wall
            Sooo....how do you explain the fact that cart died twice since 1996 but the series started by Tony George has remained a continuously operating business entity for sixteen consecutive years? Not much of what you desperately bleat makes any sense whatsoever.
          • sponsors
            Indyman i'm now convinced you are really CuC. Thanks for the info on the new obviously part time little money Penske sponsors. If they are so good for the series why are they not full time? This does not sound good for the future of the series. It is good for the sponsors though as they can save money. Kind of like a point of purchase display in a grocery store. Use the few races they are in to really push their products.Maybe give away some gps's and free auto paintjobs on those weekends. This could be a smart move for PPG. Low investment high return. LOL!!
          • Just curious
            How does one explain how the indiana razing league is still going, but has never turned a profit. In fact, it has lost over $500,000,000.00 and continues to lose tens of millions a year, as this article shows. It's like a bad zombie movie. It just won't die...

            Anyway, F1 is already testing their new cars for the 2011 season. They get new cars every year, as opposed to every decade in the .1RL. :lol:
          • Or every half century like NASCAR? Go enjoy F1 if that is your cup of tea, no one is stopping you.

            Chief,

            No interpretation, Johnson said "I really, really want to do it," What is there to interpret? You got caught lying. Just admit it and promise not to do it again.

            I showed where you lied that irl was thrown out of the tracks you claimed they were.

            why do you have to lie to back up your position?
          • Remedial Education, Gratis:
            "How does one explain how the indiana razing league is still going, but has never turned a profit. In fact, it has lost over $500,000,000.00 and continues to lose tens of millions a year, as this article shows. It's like a bad zombie movie. It just won't die..."

            Please let an actual business person enlighten you. IF The INDYCAR Series had, in fact, lost $500 million, or $750 million, or whatever the guesstimate de jour is, it would be out of business. Period. Perceived losses tend to be overstated by either those with axes to grind or the ignorant with no access to the books of a private company.

            The fact is it remains in business, has been turning wheels for sixteen years, and continues to grow.

            I know that drives your ilk plum crazy, but that is reality. Besides, it's not your money. You can cackle and make childish comments all day, but it won't change reality, son.
          • BIG Centennial Ad during SDUPER BOWL
            I agree, the $750 million was spent to kill CART and gain control of the sport. Because the speedway STILL is showing losses (even now when it's alleged to be 'growing') and never made a penny when the books are closed each and every year for the past 16, is the reason why this is interpreted as LOSSES.

            LOSSES and 'growing' are all due to the stupid decision to start the IRL in the first place. Tearing the 'grown' sport down only to rebuild it the same way 15 years later while acting like the destruction never happened is foolish.

            Theres you reason why CART is dead....the IRL was created. PERIOD. And, when you factor in the losses of BOTH series (combined sponsorship spends, bankrolls/IPO's etc., loss of high visibility of the sport and negativity from the split) you get even GREATER LOSSES for the sport in total.

            CHILDISH responses aside, THAT is what AOW racing has lost. Why CART died is irrelevant due to the fact IT'S DEAD, and moronic responses from Speedway paid spokespeople like Defender/Disciple/John Howard and Indyman prove it so. However, it's legacy of Drivers and Team Owners are the root and soul of the Indycar Series today. CART bred teams and drivers have captured an astounding rate of Indy 500's and IRL championships. So, let's cut the bull and separate the CART BUSINESS from the CART RACING ok?? Because it's clear the IRL will NEVER be interpreted as successful EXCEPT for destroying the sport.

            I lied about NOTHING...Jimmie Johnson is afraid of being KILLED or MAIMED at the speedway. He's not giving up NASCAR due to the fact he's had children is he? So, intelligent people NOT on the Speedway propaganda payroll might conclude that Indy could KILL or MAIM a young father, but NASCAR can't. That is a perception THEY ( NASCAR types) have propagated amongst themselves, and one that the promise of $20 million dollars tossed about by Randy Bernard isn't even getting a sniff from NASCAR drivers of owners. I do not recall Merle, or Mario or Al Unser or Bobby or AJ or Michael or Al Jr or any of hundreds of drivers STOP racing at Indy because they had children, do you? Stop attacking me, it's Jimmie Johnson your hate is aimed for. I just stated the truth.

            You two IRL lovers need to get through your heads....Indy 500 just isn't worth the lives of NASCAR drivers.
          • The Only Thing That Rivals Chief's Posts Are Street Corner Preachers Holding Signs About The End of The World Screaming for Everyone To Save Themselves
            So...when does the INDYCAR Series actually wither up and die with all these 'losses?' LOL.

            It does not show any tangible signs of failure in our lifetime, kiddo.

            As for Jimmie Johnson, hating the guy is well beyond stupid. Look at what he has accomplished. These days, NASCAR guys and Indy guys are not very interchangeable. It's not 1974 any more. The Indianapolis 500 will be just as great without him or his pals in it. Those of us who have supported it non-stop for decades easily understand this.

            Grow up.
          • So, I was right
            Nice dismissive there mister paid speedway spokesperson. How much do they pay you to come here and twist the TRUTH?

            Jimmie Johnson slapped the Indy 500 in the face. PERIOD. Just like TONY STEWART slapped the IRL/HONDA about the bogus engine rules in place.

            Ryan Newman doesn't have kids yet, why don't they get him? Maybe his wife will let him race at the "Most Important Race in History". OR is it that the MOST IMPORTANT RACERS don't care about Indy even if Indy spends $25MILLION to entice them to come over?

            Look, 2011 is a LAME DUCK season for the IRL/Izodcar series. You PAID SPEEDWAY SPOKESZOMBIES need to understand that the promised land is one year away....12 months. The coveted 2012 season complete with MASSSIVE SPONSOR ACTIVATIONS and multi engine builders and multi engine formula and multi body kits don't exist ANYWHERE. The $7Million from the state for Dallara's new plant is still being extracted from the tax base. Holograms and gag orders is all I've seen. Complete with a PR gag to get publicity from the insider sale of a pace car that was over paid for and less paid for than a Mustang from the same auction. And Firestone...how's the exit strategy working out? And ride buyers and part time oval and road specialists, some blowing-off the Indy 500 as a result. Great doing for the series for sure....

            So, quit counting your chickens there Mr. Paid Speedway Spokesperson Defender/Disciple of IRL/IndyCar/INDYCAR. You might just have to change your name AGAIN.

            I read your blog recently where you talk of RAW SEWAGE that needs to be cleaned up at the speedway...can you comment here please on why that is good business by the speedway? Also, talk more about ride-buyers and less road/street courses you attack about the series...obviously to appease the CART fans...so you claim. You mean, YOU'VE discovered faults with the great Speedway? Good lord, biting the hand that feeds you, huh?
          • The Greatest Spectacle in Ignorance
            Thanks for reading. Also thanks for your continuing interest in the IZOD INDYCAR Series. Obviously reality is at odds with your chicken little screeching, but the important thing is your continued interest.

            Thanks again.
          • SUPER BOWL IRL sponsor activations
            Let's see here...didn't see any mention of IRL/IZoDCar during the SUPER BOWL. Target ratings DEMOS surely peaked at very high rates throughout the evening. Probably at least a 40 share....

            Yet, nothing but 'crickets' could be heard from the greatest mouse that roared, "The Most Impotent Race in HISTORY".

            For months I have suggested that the IMS powers that be ADVERTISE the invisible Indy 500 centennial during football playoffs AND the SUPER BOWL. Even DAnica's commercials were lame, and NEVER even remotely mentioned INDY, INDYCAR, IRL, or DISCIPLE and any advertisement.

            WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? I saw no commercials for DADS ROOT BEER, the popcorn sponsor, IZOD, and every other 'BLUE CHIP' sponsor the IRL signed. What kind of 'activation' is that?

            LOTUS...didn't see a commercial for that...where can I get one? Barrett-Jackson auction sham. EVEN CHEVROLET could bare to toss in a veiled IRL/Disciplecar tie-in during it's commercial.

            What is going on here? Truely, the great CENTENNIAL ERA is a DUD. Now, I'm sure the local whoopie-cushion PAID indycar PROPAGANDA SPOKESPERSON will chime in with explanations WHY he likes raw sewage at the SPeedway, and why missing a 40+ share TV rating is GOOD for the Centennial 'Most Impotent Race in HISTORY'.

            DiscipleCar is a loser. 2011 is upon us...they can't draw flies and they refuse to advertise with a marketing effort that can take advantage of what ever momentum these 'blue chip' sponsor activations can offer.

            It's over....no one needs to kick the dog, the Speedway does it to itself so wonderfully, seriously, WHY BOTHER?

            Chicken little? So, you ADMIT you and Indyman are paid spokeszombies for the IMS, huh? Trackforum.com is Iman's deal...and you and him get together at Dawson's on Tuesday evening to hatch the next scheme to mislead people about the INDYCAR series on forums and blogs everywhere. You even have to change your names to do it. Well, here's to your credibility....
          • 47.9 market TV rating...OPPORTUNITY LOST again
            YES INDYCAR fans, that's correct. SUPER BOWL got a 47.9 market share last night! Woot!

            I have to hand it to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and it's minions for taking the time to NOT MARKET OR ADVERTISE the Centennial Era, Indy 500 or the IZOD Indycar series during the SUPER BOWL.

            Out of sight, out of mind. GREAT JOB Randy...when the last wheel falls off you can call me for some MARKETING advise. Didn't see any LOTUS commercials...NASCAR OWNS racing in AMERICA as exemplified by the ADVERTISING of the DAYTONA 500 during the 47.9 market share TV ratings.

            DARN! Better build a new office in Hollywood or auction off another car to make up for it. Kudos for your failure to place the sport in the eyes of the public. GREAT JOB!
          • Maybe HEFTY garbage bags will ACTIVATE with IRL
            Hefty: 47.9

            Wimpy: 3.68
          • You Gotta Wonder Why Chief Is Not In Charge of INDYCAR. He Has All The Answers.
            Were the Super Bowl ratings in target demos up 40%? Nope. Did you expect the Super Bowl to have low ratings? Nope. How did the haphazard buying of television time work out for cart and subsequent iterations, twice?

            Chief, the folks at INDYCAR are professionals. I can understand how the obsessed fan out there might be a tad chagrined by their own subjective (and selective) perception that INDYCAR is not doing enough to promote the 100th Anniveersary of the Greatest Spectacle in Racing.

            Have you let them know of your obsessed feelings by doing something other than shrieking on comment sections of blogs on the Internet?
          • You want the sport rebuilt, right?
            They are NOT doing enough.

            Look, I have no skin in the game BUT as a consumer I know that ADVERTISING WORKS. When you make a claim about being the most important race in history you best darn act like it.

            Stop kissing the backsides of the speedway. You know this and all the others are MISSED OPPORTUNITIES.

            If you want to keep it local and to yourself just say so. But for those of us that demand action, the Speedway ain't moving fast enough or in a direction with headway. The Indycar series nothing is a puney dot in the rearview mirror of sport. Sell the speedway and get some people in thereto run the darn series right.

            The crew that couldn't shoot straight is CONSTANTLY shooting their own feet...and YOU support it. Funny thing is...you don't see anything wrong with it....keeping it tucked away so you can relive 1959 dreams over and over. What kind of fan are you? Do you want this to be successful? How much do they pay you to come here and always agree with THEM?
          • The Race Will Be Sold Out. What More Would You Want?
            Shooting itself in the feet? Which series is dead, twice, for actually doing what you think is the best course of action, and which one is entering its sixteenth consecutive season of turning wheels?

            Chief, seriously....let the professionals handle this.
          • Relevance is lacking
            The twice dead series lasted 29 years. The IRL is a mere child compared to that, as evidenced by the 15,000 in Toronto, where the twice dead series got 170,000 fans through the gates from pretty much 1986 to 2007. Long Beach and all tracks in common between the series, same deal friend. The IRL is a NO performer where they can't sustain even successful events vacated by the now twice deceased series. Why is that? Does the IRL stink or something?

            I'll betcha IF CART/CCWS suddenly reappeared, risen from the dead, the throngs would again pass through the gates in support and soundly kick the IRL can to the curb. Such a shame you IRL lovers can't realize that.

            You asked for my input several times "if I had a checkbook and was in charge of the speedway". But all you do is SLAG me with your archetype blather fed to you by the IMS propaganda machine.

            MORE IRL/Speedway failure....now run over to your blog and copy what I said so the 5 people that read there will think you have a brain.
          • Looks Like All Caps Boy Wants the Last Word Again
            Uh, you might oughta check your mathematics, Mr. Einstein. 1979 to 1996 is 16 years. Not 29. Comparing attendance to attendance in another decade and century is rarely advocated by professionals.

            Speaking of professionals, search for Mike Kelly on the Forbes web site. They feature a video interview with Mr. Kelly about their series sponsorship. Those professionals could not be happier, and the sales of their brands have doubled largely as a result of their INDYCAR sponsorship.

            You see, in a world of actual professionals, the grass seems greener, kiddo.
          • 29 is the word
            To die TWICE you would need to utilize the entire range and scope of the respective series' racing:

            1979 - CART began
            1996 - IRL began
            2008 - CCWS MERGED with IRL
            2010 - IRL DEAD

            You see mister twist n' spin, the IRL only lived 15 years and is DEAD. The TWICE dead CART/CCWS you constantly bring up lived from 1979 to 2008, approx. 29 years. The current iteration of INDyCAr is only 1 month old. Indy 500 is 95 years old, even though the Speedway has been hosting the event for 100 years.

            I also want to draw you attention to Speedway literature used to attract street races. The IMS uses CART/CCWS based attendance numbers when showing the capabilities street racing can offer. Yes, they use 168,000 attendance showing Toronto successes. MISLEADING seeing as the IRL has NEVER attracted more than 15,000 there.

            Regarding Mr. Kelly....I've seen the video and applaude IZOD. When you advertise a product you typically get returns. In this case, Mr. Kelly said they 'DOUBLED' their earnings. A bit off from the 350% percent claims, no? Selling the image of AOW for $$$ is all the IRL is getting. Whether IZOD's successes translate to TV ratings or attendance for the hapless IRL/IZOdCar series has yet to be seen. Count your chickens sir.

            You see, you really are a revisionist after all.
          • Further consideration
            Regarding Mr. Paid Speedway Spokesperson's 'Mike Kelly video' on FORBES:

            I would to add that I can't recall IZOD EVER advertising anywhere....so, I think the returns from their sports marketing have netted what could be expected. The key here is THEY ADVERTISED THEIR PRODUCT.

            Missed opportunities by the SPEEDWAY to NOT advertise to the football playoffs or the SUPER BOWL (largest audience ever at 47.9 market share) again will cost the series overall.

            When you run around and talk smack about being the "MOST IMPORTANT RACE in HISTORY" you should put you money where your mouth is. Frankly I (as given the IMS checkbook and green light to spend) would have launched a massive AD CAMPAIGN telling WHY the race is the most important...and I would have advertised during ALL major sporting events, on EVERY network. I would have used the $7million alleged to have been received from IZOD to do it with.

            As BURL sez, no one knows and no one cares because the SPeedway apparently cant afford it or they just like being prostrate on the floor making claims they have no idea on how to market. SO, I congratulate Mike Kelly...maybe HE should run the IMS/IzoDCArz.
          • That Deal With ccws Was An Asset Sale. They Were Bailed Out by Anton.
            Chief, please, for the love of God, let the professionals handle the marketing. We will rely on you simply to provide the barely literate cackling.
          • amateurs
            Oh silly little Defender, Alex, John or whoever you are. The professionals FAILED to do anything the other day during the superbowl. Chief is right what a waste of a good chance for a commercial promoting the centennial. They are far from pros but merely amateurs.
          • LIAR
            http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=1&id=3259364

            After 12 years of conflict, IRL and Champ Car merge
          • Once Again Parental Supervision is Necessary
            "Oh silly little Disciple or whoever you are. The professionals FAILED to do anything the other day during the superbowl. Chief is right what a waste of a good chance for a commercial promoting the centennial. They are far from pros but merely amateurs."

            How did scattershot buying of time work out for cart and champcar? Twice? Obviously your simplistic thought processes preclude any deep understanding of marketing for INDYCAR.

            "After 12 years of conflict, IRL and Champ Car merge"

            In this case, 'merge' = asset sale. Tony bought the steaming pile of remnants at bargain basement prices, then called it a 'merger' mostly to appease yammering, ignorant cart enthusiasts.

            That's the actual reality of that particular situation.
          • Delusional of INDYCAR
            You know I'm right...your lofty narcissistic arrogance that the Speedway PAYS you to come here and negate the truth has proven you to be utterly pathetic. Just like your 500 hits-a-day web blog and your Walter Mitty-esque 1959 stodgy old viewpoints.

            Get some splash dude, you can't hang anymore.

          • Looks Like I'll Have to Retrieve The Wooden Paddle
            You have also revealed yourself as suffering from obvious chronic paranoid delusion.

            Listen, son...the professionals at INDYAR have the marketing field covered better than the childish critics. Let them do their job.

            Hundreds of thousands of actual fans will converge on the speedway in May, and the race will get good ratings.

            Why worry when you can be mature and just enjoy?
          • You're having fun with me again, aren't you?
            They control the sport. We want the sport to succeed. They need feedback and criticism. The blogs and forums are the tools by which they (businesses and IMS) can hear the voice of the people.

            We know they choose not to listen. We know they hire you to come here to negate any and everything. You've been proven a liar and revisionist. you have no credibility.

            Why on earth should I or anybody have faith in what them dunderheads (that you support so religiously over at 16th and Jonestown) do? They took a great sport and reduced it to invisibility and ruin. They lie about what their intentions are and mislead the public...just like you.

          • Maturity Needed
            Chief, the sport would be much better off if its obsessed fans (like you) would simply grow up.
          • Seems racing can do without even more!
            Well, after reading these comments. I am wondering if racing could do without the two talking point professionals too.

            Indyman and disciple do not help the sport.

            They work these discussions so hard. Why? It all seems so forced and a bit fake. Sort of like the racing product.

            And,are they really paid???

            Would the indy folks stoop that low and use these two hacks?
          • Adults Seeking Adults
            The answer is 'no.' We are not paid. We are, however, real racing fans who respect the sport. Unlike the cackling children whose sole purpose is disruption of otherwise worthwhile dialog, we enjoy communicating as adults with other adults. When ill behaved children happen by, they may get a spanking.
          • Dialogue
            The article is about how the .1RL is losing $15,000,000.00 even in these super times, with "major activation" and a bunch of supposed "Blue Chip" sponsors.
            If they're losing that big when you guys say things are going great, then losing $20,000,000.00 - $50,000,000.00 a year when CART/CC was around seems pretty reasonable.
            So, I guess the reported $500,000,000.00 + loss for the .1RL in total, seems pretty fair.
            Yes. it only cost the H/G clan half a billion to destroy AOWR.
            Thanks guys, for the money well spent. :rolleyes:






          • Word Out of Japan
            Motegi is OFF the schedule after 2011.

            Firestone, now HONDA? What happened? Lotus ain't enough?
          • What's the excuse gonna be now?
            http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/02/71181.html

            Honda unit to stop hosting Indy car racing in Japan from 2012. Not good enough promotion? Too much money for a lame DEMO race? Honda won't pay the higher sanction fees? Too many questions....

            VIBRANT!
          • Motegi in 20121 Gone? Who Cares (Other Than Bitter, Immature Obsessed cart Enthusiasts)
            Uh, Chief...us genuine INDYCAR fans could care less about Motegi. It was across an ocean. It was difficult to attend and quite expensive. If it is replaced with another North American venue, that is one more venue we can all attend.

            Here is what it does NOT mean: The end for INDYCAR. That 'boy cries wolf' prediction of your ilk has not come to pass in sixteen years, and it does not appear to be happening in our lifetimes.

            Grow up.
          • How Long Will The Haters Continue Fighting a War They Lost? Twice?
            "The article is about how the .1RL is losing $15,000,000.00 even in these super times, with "major activation" and a bunch of supposed "Blue Chip" sponsors."

            Actually, your reading comprehension skills need some improvement. The article involves speculation from unnamed sources. Randy Bernard says the league could be profitable, but that continuing investment is necessary.

            "If they're losing that big when you guys say things are going great, then losing $20,000,000.00 - $50,000,000.00 a year when CART/CC was around seems pretty reasonable."

            Only to those lacking in the common sense department. And no one, and I mean no one, has ever offered anything even remotely resembling an accurate accounting of revenue versus expenses. People with common sense know that losing $50 million a year would mean certain bankruptcy well before now. Kind of like what happened the defunct cart series. Twice.

            "So, I guess the reported $500,000,000.00 + loss for the .1RL in total, seems pretty fair."

            Guessing, huh? That is obvious. Perhaps if I lacked mental clarity I might also misinterpret facts in that impaired fashion. Fortunately I rely on reality as a guide.

            "Yes. it only cost the H/G clan half a billion to destroy AOWR."

            Listen sonny boy...here is what got destroyed: cart. Twice. And they did it to themselves. Get past it. How could Tony Hulman be as stupid as he is portrayed yet dastardly enough to destroy cart? Twice? You bitter children make no sense. AOW is not destroyed. cart is. INDYCAR is preparing for its sixteenth season. Isn't the aging process alone enough to add a smidgen of maturity to your tiresome, meaningless shtick?

            "Thanks guys, for the money well spent."

            It has been enough to keep the INDYCAR Series around for sixteen years.
          • Mutoh and MonteGi
            Honda pulls it's homeboy MutoH yesterday, Motegi today...what's it going to be tomorrow?

            And, Mr. Paid Speedway Propagandist...the 'WAR' you so aptly describe is now for the sport to heal from the wreckage caused by the creation of the DEAD IRL series. The target is IMS, they will be scrutinized relentlessly until AOW returns to health.

            If it took $750MILLION to get the sport in this shape...well, then IMS is gonna have to spent $751MILLION MORE to get it back to where it was. War on dude. (geez, a simple apology coulda helped shut this down but they took the high road. Oh well, stupidity abounds in the IZOD Inducar Series.)
          • Denial
            So, YOU can lump together history as you see fit, huh? Revisionist. So, when the IRL changed it's name to INDYCAR, it's really just the IRL, right?

            Thanks Disciple, you proved my points quite well afterall, haven't you?

            How much do they pay you?

            Well, I was just thinking...I guess you can add MOTEGI to the scrap pile of tracks the IRL/INDYCAR could sustain. And the reason? Same as all the others...the IRL/Indycar sucks. Mutoh was a paid Honda short-trackin gunslinger coiled-snake too. MORE failure.
          • Motegi needed to go
            Don't know about all the rest of the crazy posts here, but one thing: Motegi was a non-event for anyone but the few thousand Japanese who attended. The rest of America didn't even know about the race. It was hard for even us fans to follow. I had to listen to my girl Danica's win on the radio, which is ok, but not the same as if on live TV on a Sunday afternoon or better yet, in person. The race seemed too distant and the track wasn't all that great anyhow. The races were kind of boring there. Randy made a good move to cut this one. A better oval would be Nashville in the summer at night. Neat race track, good fans, good, tough racing. I went when Alex Barron won and it was a great night. Also ADD Fontana. 25,000 there is better than ZERO people. They need a presence out there. California has so much tradition and history associated with the Indy 500 and auto racing in general. They need to keep that going.
          • Tina
            Richmond, FOntana are ISC tracks that the IRL couldn't sustain. Nashville couldn't sustain the IRL either. Nor could about 22 other tracks. The problem is the racing stinks and the stigma from the split. Gonna be hard to go back anywhere they already stunk-it-up at.

            And, how is shlepping the series to Fontana to race in front of 25K gonna even pay for it's self? Think out of the box...
          • You have to start somewhere
            Chief, Fontana would be an investment. I have been to the LBGP and it is a non-racing crowd, essentially, there for an "event", a "festival", and racing is the background noise and spectacle. The only identity is Danica and Helio. Maybe Dario. That's it. They need a presence out there on an oval, where Indy Cars are at their best. High speed racing. Plus, with the NASCAR race in decline out there, the race track needs another event or it is going to go the way of Ontario Motor Speedway. I think Randy could work out a deal and use his promotional skills to market the event, at least once, and see what happens. Surely, they could race there are far less cost than Motegi. And even if the cost was the same, better yet spend the money on US soil and expose the series to fans who can actually attend and even travel to other races such as Sears Point, or even Indy, than a place on the other side of the ocean. Also, any race run at Fontana would at least be on prime time or afternoon television in the USA. That IS thinking outside of the box. Thinking inside the box was the continuous, mindless travel to Japan to appease Honda at the expense of what few fans the series has here. Randy was right. The exposure there was minimal. How many Japanese fans do you honestly think made the trek to Indy or any other IndyCar race? At least someone from Los Angeles or Riverside, Bakersfield, wherever...has opportunity to travel to other races and/or see them on TV at something other than 2 AM. That market out there is far too large and important to just walk away from because six years ago it was a tough sell. Things and times change. I say give it a second try and if it does not work out, with as much money as the series has lost, would it be a back-breaker? I think not. Not one race at Fontana that may even turn out to be doable.
          • The IRL pillaged the OVAL markets
            The majority of the 22 tracks the IRL were kicked out of have been OVALS. Many are the ones you mentioned. Do you really think markets already discarded can sustain a return of a failure? With the same chassis and engines from 9 years ago?

            Indy and the IRL/IzodCar is condensing further...to street races like Baltimore where they can fleece the public there for a few years until the city realizes it's a loser. Did ya read where Edmonton is spending MUCH MUCH less on sanction fees to the IRL this year? Yet, ISC refused to pay sanction increases at WG, Chicagoland, Kansas and all the others?

            No one cares or wants this IRL product. They can't even successfully market the dang thing. There is no hope, they suck.
          • Tina
            Tina, i doubt you noticed but the crowd at Long Beach has become non existent after the irl took over. The ALMS race on Saturday actually gets the crowd while the irl gets a lot of bare aluminum.They have also removed several grandstands since the irl came to town.The ALMS should be the headline race on Sunday with the irl on Saturday.Most people only go for the celeb race anyway.If they were to trade events the irl could share a decent crowd not suffer in oblivion on Sunday. The long time race fans of the LBGP have spoken with their feet and they have not returned since the irl has come to town.
          • Gabe
            Excellent point Gabe. I use Toronto as my example:

            Toronto CART 1986 - 2007 = Avg. 160K to 170K

            Toronto IRL 2009 - 2001 = Avg. 15K

            Hmmmm? 90% of the fans left the sport. See, they hate the Indycarz. And Randy don't want them back either.
          • Champcar Sizzle
            Fascinating:

            "they are looking to the Edmonton raceâ??s beginnings with Champ Car in 2005 as a template for sizzle and customer satisfaction."

            http://www.timescolonist.com/sports/Edmonton+Indy+track+changes+direction/4247111/story.html
          • Use Your Brains
            Wow. I certainly hope INDYCAR does not follow cart into failure. Twice. Looks bleak, huh? LOL.
          • IRL, the submissive
            How's it look from down there Disciple? Banner week, PR-wise, for the gang that couldn't shoot straight.

            Unethical journos? Obsessed haters? Twice? 47.9 vs. 3.68? Bwahahhahaha! Everythings coming up ROSES!

            Quite a complement Edmonton paid to the dead series...200,000 people in attendance. IRL struggles to get 40K. IRL stinks and everybody knows it (even Honda) EXCEPT the Disciple of mIndyZodcaR. Bwahahhahahha!
          • Laughing At You; Not With You
            1.28 million bought tickets last year. Ratings in target demos (not the quaint li'l meaningless 121+ summaries) are up 40%, something no other sport can claim. Sponsor spend more than doubled to more than $81 million. These are facts you should attempt to grasp.

            And are you really comparing the Super Bowl to an average INDYCAR race? Really? When was INDYCAR racing EVER comparable to a Super Bowl in terms of ratings?

            Your continued desperation/obsession remains amusing to adults.
          • But the fact remains...
            ...the sport is unpopular overall. Niche. Tiny. And dying. Further, its "hero" is a skirt. The rest nerds. Keep slugging, Defenseless Disciple of the Dead.
          • 100 Million EYEBALLS....
            Think the MOST IMPORTANT RACE in HISTORY is the DAYTONA 500.

            INDY is just small potatoes...ratings pan that out. Indy is now less revered and less important than in 1995. I guess they IMS wants it that way.
          • Hysterical
            C'mon kids...just a few more meaningless posts and we can set a new track record with this thread...200+ posts. I know you can do it. Chief, why don't you and Burl just keep on concocting ways the sky is falling.
          • Realities
            Ostriches stick their heads deep in sand when they don't want to listen. Even old stodgy narcissistic ones. Back to your hole.
          • Unsustainable Series
            It just doesn't pencil. Unless the people in the sport are willing to lose millions more. Maybe they are. Maybe they are as dumb as Defender. The whole thing is a house of cards. What's worse for the Series: So few care. So precious few. Ugly cars driven by mostly people nobody has ever heard of and the two they have: 1) She's a NASCAR racer. 2) He won Dancing With The Stars. Maybe, MAYBE the Dario guy whois married to Ashley Judd, kind of a niche sport actress herself of sort-of name recognition. Too funny. I imagine the public is going to go nuts over J K Vernay and the new Chinese dude. That ought to pack them in. And maybe the nation can finally get over the fact they no longer have Airton Dare, Tomas Enge, and Kosuke Matsurra. It has been hard without them. Teensey, inconsequential sport of the past with nary a following, Defenseless Disciple of the Dead. And thems da' facts graybeard.
          • Statistics can be very misleading
            Disciple,

            I see you keep mentioning (and mentioning) target demos up over 40%.

            You know what they say about damn lies and statistics don't you?

            Can you let us know what that 40% actually means. And please, if you toss those numbers out, then you are saying they mean something...so, I hope you can give us the facts and not do some kind of dodge saying those "numbers are unavailable" or whatever.

            They could mean that before IZOD came in the Indycar series had only 2% of its total viewership comprised of the 18-34 age bracket.

            Up 40% then would mean they have increased to 3% of total viewership. Correct?

            Then this year they could go as high as 6%, you and IZOD could claim they are up 100% and in reality they might not be what IZOD wants and they start to look to sponsor sporting events elsewhere.

            I guess the best way to deal with all of this statistical malarky is to just see what comes and goes.
          • The Silence is Deafening
            Disciple of the Defenseless Dead must be praying at the moment.
          • Alot of no shows for the .1RL.
            "1.28 million bought tickets last year."

            So, assuming you're right, and being generous and figuring 350,000 at IMS (where vast herds of people were hiding under the stands, according to you) that leaves 930,000 ÷ 16 races = 58,125 tickets sold per race.

            The .1Rl must average >40,000 no shows per race then. :lol:
          • I Need To Repeat Stuff for the Kids
            Randy Bernard and I had a conversation this morning following a splendid first class journey in a beautiful new Embraer 170 this morning in New York, and he does not share the sense of pessimism the chicken littles here do. As to attendance, here it is again:

            Half a month of May at Indy:
            -Race Day = 275,000
            -Carb Day = 105,000
            -Pole Day = 85,000
            -Bump Day = 75,000
            -All Other = 35,000
            INDY MAY TOTAL = 575,000

            All Other Indy Car Events that sold tickets:
            -Barber open test = 15,000
            -Brazil weekend = 80,000
            -St. Pete weekend = 50,000
            -Barber weekend = 60,000
            -Long Beach weekend = 75,000
            -ISC Kansas weekend = 20,000
            -Texas weekend = 70,000
            -Iowa weekend = 45,000
            -ISC Glen weekend = 20,000
            -Toronto weekend = 45,000
            -Edmonton weekend = 37,000
            -Mid Ohio weekend = 65,000
            -Sonoma weekend = 20,000
            -ISC Chicagoland weekend = 18,000
            -Kentucky weekend = 35,000
            -Japan weekend = 40,000
            -ISC Homestead weekend = 11,000
            NON-INDY TOTAL = 706,000

            GRAND TOTAL for 2010 = 1,281,000 or so.

            Any questions?
          • Yes, I have (had) a question.
            Yes Disciple, I had a question. And you didn't answer it.

            What does the "target demos up over 40%" really mean?

            You say it how many times in this comment section alone?

            If you can keep saying it, then it must mean soemthing to you.

            So, what does it mean?

            Or, is it just to make things sound good?
          • Hope This Answers The Question.-----
            It means that ratings in the coveted 18-34, 25-49 and 35-54 demographic categories (and selected sub-categories) were much higher than the simplistic 12+ summaries frothed over by the relatively simple minded. As an added bonus, the ratings in those categories INCREASED by 40% from 2009 to 2010. That is an increase that no other sport, not even the NFL, can claim. Were the ratings themselves equal to, say, the NFL? No. But the increase clearly shows the momentum and growth the INDYCAR Series is experiencing, much to the chagrin of the obsessed critics.
          • I shall not bother asking again
            I see Disciple will give no real numbers. I guess it was to be expected.

            For all we know the IRL/Indycar series could have attracted 10,000 people in the 18-34 category in 2009. Up 40% in 2010 would mean they have an increase of 4,000 fans in that category.

            The NFL could have 1.3 million constant viewers in the 18-34 category. They could claim they saw an increase of ONLY 3% in 2010 which would mean an increase of 39,000.

            While 40% sounds like the Indycar series is on a wild growth pattern even the NFL would be happy to claimâ?¦in reality the numbers are still small as compared to past numbers for previous years of Indycar style racing.

            40% is always better than 3% is what Disciple wants you to think.

            So, if I offered 3% of 1.3 million dollars or 40% of 10,000 dollars to Disciple, we could count of him taking the 40%!

            Maybe that is what happened to racing; no one watching those numbers.

            Iâ??ll pay more attention to the numbers when they become similar to the numbers this type of racing drew in the past.

            And, I think one could use the simplistic 12+ Nielsen ratings to get a generalized gauge as to when that happens, if ever.

            I also think we would all be better off not paying attention to Discipleâ??s numbers since he really is not giving numbers but percentages.

            Again, he seems to want to do a form of lying using damn statistics.

            I shall not bother you again Disciple. I just wanted to see if I could get some reality out of you.
          • It Is No Longer 1995. Step Into the Present Century Please.
            Statistics do not lie. I am not at liberty to give specific numbers because that research is proprietary and licensed, and would constitute a severe ethics breach against clients who purchase the data.

            I can say with assurance that the demo specific numbers are much more impressive than the simplistic 12+ summaries of which the handful of you seem enamored. Of course the handful of you also believe the world has not evolved since 1996 mostly because it fits your flawed, dated 'arguments.'

            Those grounded in reality and the present day (folks such as Randy Bernard) do not share your cutesy sense of pessimism.

            In any event, it is always nice to have children around to amuse us.
          • That was mature!
            Disciple,

            Thanks for the response and I guess the name calling and putdown too.

            I thought you said you were mature?

            I'll just end by saying what I only hinted when I first posted. With your denigrating attitude that is very evident in this comment section, how can you expect to attract fans.

            The world has in fact involved since 1996. Have you? You are the one that always mentions CART and Champcar. Did I?

            I only said one thing about the past...and that was there was higher ratings and more fans. Do you think that is incorrect?

            How do you know I am being pessimistic. I thought I was asking for realistic. I guess as long as anyone questions anything with you, it is being immature and pessimistic.

            Would I like to see openwheel succeed and be popular again. Yes.

            I guess when you really ahve no arguement - denigrate and call peolpe children or son, or anything else that makes you lofty.

            By the way, I am 56 years old. I do not appreciate being refered to as a child. I did nothing childlike in these comments, unlike you.

            I only hope the powers at IMS see what kind of fan you are and ask that you discontinue your posting in this manner.

            Again...you hurt IMS and racing way more than you help.

            I shall not repsond to your baiting again. I think everyone that looks at these comments knows who is the immature one that can't move on.

            Good day.
          • Can Anyone Keep Themselves Confined to Topics?
            I thought you said you were not going to interact with me. That did not last long.

            Look, it is obvious you do not understand the first thing about the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and the race that facilitated the evolution of the entire sport. That is not a put down, it is an observation based on your sour, bitter commentary.

            I suspect you enjoyed the cart period of evolution. So did I. But had they been allowed to continue, it is my firm belief the sport would be far worse off than you perceive it to be today.

            All racing fans should be more like me. Why? I have attended 46 500s. I also attend multiple Indy Car races every year. I have for decades. I put my money where my mouth is. What I don't do is attempt to destroy something I claim to enjoy.

            I do not give a rip how old you are. Maturity is what I care about. I am 56 as well, but my skin is much thicker. Why not keep your commentary confined to the topic?
          • Oh, Great One
            The *laughable* Toronto attendance numbers are interesting.....

            How is it that a series so great and mighty and centered around the INDY 500 and once NAMED after the Indy 500, only be able to get 40,000 folks through the gates? That alone is almost 300% increase from year before!

            Measuring sticks are important to achieve success.....TORONTO HAD 168,000 fans through the gates under CART/CCWS. That's a 76% DROP in attendance for the hapless IRL series. WITH THE SAME DRIVERS. What happened? Why does the IRL/INdycarz draw LESS everywhere?
          • DUMP Sonoma and KEEP MonTeGi
            What silliness...they keep 20K fans at Sonoma yet dust the 40K at Motegi?

            Heck no, Sonoma MUST GO TOO. Prolly another BAD promoter, just like all the other 22 tracks the IRL was kicked out of. So they say....
          • Selective Reception
            Chief, you read selectively, don't you?

            "The *laughable* Toronto attendance numbers are interesting.....How is it that a series so great and mighty and centered around the INDY 500 and once NAMED after the Indy 500, only be able to get 40,000 folks through the gates? That alone is almost 300% increase from year before!"

            Fantastic! Pretty good attendance given the economy in general and the fact that the majority of sports and entertainment venues have difficulties selling as many tickets as they did fifteen years ago.

            "Measuring sticks are important to achieve success.....TORONTO HAD 168,000 fans through the gates under CART/CCWS. That's a 76% DROP in attendance for the hapless INDYCAR series. WITH THE SAME DRIVERS. What happened?"

            The world evolved. cart is dead. If cart was around today, the attendance would be exactly as it is today. Or worse. Twice.

            "Why does the INDYCAR Series draw LESS everywhere?"

            Same reason the vast majority of sports and entertainment events draw fewer attendees. Mostly the economy. NASCAR did not sell out any of its races last year. What happened there?

            "What silliness...they keep 20K fans at Sonoma yet dust the 40K at Motegi?"

            Sonoma is well funded. Japan is having more severe difficulties economically than North America, as evidenced in a joint statement from Honda and the race promoter: 'Mobilityland, the Honda Motor Co. subsidiary that operates the Twin Ring Motegi Circuit, announced today that it will no longer host an IZOD IndyCar Series race after this year's event. While we have a unique understanding of the business climate in Japan which made this decision necessary, we wish to affirm that Mobilityland's announcement has had no impact on IndyCar Series programs run by American Honda and Honda Performance Development. HPD has announced its commitment to participate in the IZOD IndyCar Series as an engine supplier with a new generation of turbocharged V-6 engines starting in 2012, and American Honda co ntinues to support both the Series and individual race events.'

            "Heck no, Sonoma MUST GO TOO. Prolly another BAD promoter, just like all the other 22 tracks the INDYCAR Series was kicked out of. So they say...."

            In most cases, the INDYCAR Series was not 'kicked out.' Race tracks come and race tracks go. The INDYCAR Series has a ways to go before it matches the 40+ venues cart was 'kicked out' of.
          • Mediocrity is the INDYCARs
            You crave the mediocrity that the IRL/Indycars have evolved to be. What an inbred type of mentality.

            130,000 fans SUDDENLY stopped enjoying AOW in Toronto whe the IRL surfaced...same is true in EDMONTON, Australia, Long Beach, Nazareth, Gateway, Indianapolis, and any other sloppy seconds CART/CCWS left the hapless Indycar series.

            Now, the money grubbers is the SPEEDWAQY themselves, greedily selling everything to make a fast buck from the flash of OW racing, yet the actual racing stinks.

            Why else would 130,000 diehard fans ditch the great IRL/Indycar series today? NASCAR didn't split it's sport. It's TV ratings STILL eclipse the great Indy 500 on a BAD race weekend at mediocre race tracks.

            No wonder Randy had to 'reverse course' on profitability....he has a product that no one wants. And still, the IMS has no idea on how to market it....."The Greatest Race in History" has evolved into a dud...presence wise with the AMERICAN public. VErSuS is dragging the sport into the ditch...and the IMS has no one to blame but themselves! $765MILLION and counting!!!
          • Bitter, Hostile Obsession Continues Unabated
            Come on kid...I know you can do it...we're 35 away from 200!

            "You crave the mediocrity that the IRL/Indycars have evolved to be. What an inbred type of mentality."

            Wrong again, son. As a real racing fan who actually understands and respects the place the Indianapolis 500 holds in the world, I do not see mediocrity. I see a 100 year old grand spectacle who has aged like a fine wine. It is just too bad a handful of truly ignorant cart enthusiasts feel compelled to tear it down because their preferred series destroyed themselves. Twice. The only thing that will cure such defective behavior is maturity.

            "130,000 fans SUDDENLY stopped enjoying AOW in Toronto whe the IRL surfaced...same is true in EDMONTON, Australia, Long Beach, Nazareth, Gateway, Indianapolis, and any other sloppy seconds CART/CCWS left the hapless Indycar series."

            As previously stated, the vast majority of other entertainment and sports venues suffers from the the exact same phenomenon. Even NASCAR. Those who lack the maturity to understand that will never accept actual reality, as evidenced by your continued posting of hostile, barely literate nonsense.

            "Now, the money grubbers is the SPEEDWAQY themselves, greedily selling everything to make a fast buck from the flash of OW racing, yet the actual racing stinks."

            You lost me with that particular clever barb.

            "Why else would 130,000 diehard fans ditch the great IRL/Indycar series today? NASCAR didn't split it's sport. It's TV ratings STILL eclipse the great Indy 500 on a BAD race weekend at mediocre race tracks."

            Good for them. Something they and all other sports cannot claim is a 40% ratings increase in key demographics. The INDYCAR Series is the only sports entity that has that type of momentum and growth.

            "No wonder Randy had to 'reverse course' on profitability....he has a product that no one wants. And still, the IMS has no idea on how to market it....."

            Again, in reality, significant strides have been made on the marketing front with 14 new blue chip sponsors over the past 12 months, and sponsor spend in 2010 more than doubled to over $81 million. These are facts you should at least try to digest. Plus, Randy has indicated the series could well be profitable, but he prefers at this juncture to make continued investment in the series to ensure more consistent long term growth. Good for him!

            "The Greatest Race in History" has evolved into a dud...presence wise with the AMERICAN public. VErSuS is dragging the sport into the ditch...and the IMS has no one to blame but themselves!"

            Another thing actual real racing fans understand is that the institution predated all of use, and will be around long after we depart. To deny that is to admit complete cluelessness.

            "$765MILLION and counting!!!"

            Any chance I will ever get an accurate accounting estimate from you that details revenue against expenses to justify such huge 'losses?' I seriously doubt you have the ability or depth of thought to even attempt it.
          • No, you're a place fan
            If you loved racing as much as you preach, you TOO would be angered at what has transpired to the formerly great Indy 500 and the sport of AOW at the hands of the Hulman-George's.

            The sport is not at levels attained previously. The 500's image is tarnished due to Hulman-George meddling. MILLIONs, hunedreds of millions, have bee squandered in a foolish powerplay that YOU supported.

            So to celebrate GROWTH you really need to look at the big picture which you never do.....just your myopic view of your homeland, Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

            And i Do agree with you, you are totally clueless. The IRL is gone, never made a penny, and brought the sport to it's knees of failure. And you and the IRL minions facilitated it all.

            So stop with your faux statistics you never provide. Intellegent people know the truth, and the sooner the Speedway and your ilk admit the truth...the sooner the sport can rebuild, en total. But your smarmy arrogance knows no bounds.
          • The Kids Never Get Tired of Being Wrong
            "If you loved racing as much as you preach, you TOO would be angered at what has transpired to the formerly great Indy 500 and the sport of AOW at the hands of the Hulman-George's."

            To real racing fans who understand and respect the institution, the Indianapolis 500 is just as great as it ever was. the cart occupation of the track from 1979 to 1995 was an evolutionary phase. Real racing fans enjoyed those years as well. To believe it is 'formerly great' is to openly admit ignorance and complete lack of understanding of the event. That is unsurprising given your obvious lack of maturity.

            "The sport is not at levels attained previously."

            Completely incorrect. It remains the largest attended single day sporting event in the world and still gets great ratings. Its purse is in the millions, and it draws worldwide attention. Just like every year before. Your bitterness and immaturity demonstrates a complete lack of class.

            "The 500's image is tarnished due to Hulman-George meddling. MILLIONs, hunedreds of millions, have bee squandered in a foolish powerplay that YOU supported."

            Oddly, the only person with such twisted interpretations of actual reality are disenfranchised cart enthusiasts that refuse to budge from 1995. My wish is that all six or seven of you will grow up and join the rest of us sixteen years down the road.

            "So to celebrate GROWTH you really need to look at the big picture which you never do.....just your myopic view of your homeland, Indianapolis Motor Speedway."

            The big picture remains the same. The Indianapolis 500 is a beloved event for millions of actual fans.

            "And i Do agree with you, you are totally clueless. The IRL is gone, never made a penny, and brought the sport to it's knees of failure. And you and the IRL minions facilitated it all."

            Glad we could help.

            "So stop with your faux statistics you never provide. Intellegent people know the truth, and the sooner the Speedway and your ilk admit the truth...the sooner the sport can rebuild, en total. But your smarmy arrogance knows no bounds."

            I deal strictly in the realm of actual reality. Seriously, your two-year-old-floor-fit-at-Wal-Mart is cute in a bad tempered infant sort of way, but grow up. Enjoy the sport. We adults are happy you are obsessed with it, but add some maturity and class for a change. If you can't stand what you see....stop being hypocritical and either move on to something else or try being a fan.
          • A fine fan.
            As expeted.

            This Disciple "fan" has no idea who I am, what I think about Indy, etc.

            I only challenge his repetitive fun with numbers claims and make the point that his defensive commenting style isn't helping the cause.

            He asks to stay on topic, and my challenge was what he posted in this comment section. Who then was not on topic to begin with?

            So, then he attacks, and much of the attack based on totally wrong assumptions.

            Bitter and sour. Where does he get that?

            But it all makes my initial point does it not.

            This Disciple "fan" does nothing to help the sport and create other fans. I hope Indy Motor Speedway is aware of his behavior.I wouldn't want him to be representing me. And if they do recognize him as some kind of spokesperson all I can say is why?

            I love the sport and its history no matter the clowns you have to come across that claim they love it too. Been to Indy many times myself. Also went to many races over the years too, not just Indycar racing, all types too. So challenging me as a race fan is laughable if he really knew my background and how much I too know of racing's rich history.

            This is just a comment section in a blog I do check out from time to time. I've seen many comments by Defender and Disciple over that time and have grown frustrated with his game. So, yes, I had to challenge him borne of that frustration.

            Thank you Anthony for your Indy perspective on sports and for your coverage of IMS in a local sense. I'll keep reading!

            Just be keen to watch out for more attacks by Disciple. I wouldn't trust him.
          • A house is not a home
            Because you refuse to see the damage to the sport does not mean it isn't there. It is palpable and real. Owners, drivers, sponsors know it. Fans know it. Even the drastic measures taken by the speedway to make it MORE like CART prove it's endangered.

            Why does the speedway seek other markets or target demographics? I have the answer: BECAUSE they screwed all of the traditional ones up.

            So, you just keep defending the FAILURES of the IRL, and the current faux INDYCAR. Keep refusing to honor the merger agreement by treating it like an asset sale. Keep on lying on behalf of the speedway......keep on revising history, friend. The truth will prove you wrong. ALWAYS.

            And above all, keep setting the example for self-proclaimed "MATURITY"....code named for your pompous arrogance driven by your clinical sociopathic/psychopathic narcissism.
          • A Lot of Enjoyment Is Derived From Reading Here
            One noticeable annoying characteristic of cart enthusiasts obsessively critical of INDYCAR is that each one has translucent skin, is unable to use a mirror, and always nail themselves to crosses whenever anyone deviates from their whacko opinions.

            I prefer instead to deal with facts. All relevant facts point to the continuing viability of INDYCAR, not to mention commendable forward momentum.

            People who have the temerity to refer to themselves as racing fans should accept realities they may personally find difficult to digest.
          • Great American Race at Daytona
            I'm not seeing mention of a 'Greatest Race in History' anywhere....race fans would certainly conclude it's NASCAR's Daytona 500. I have to heartily agree. No others come close. Real race fans can tell with high distinction this true as all other races are out of the publics eye for 346 days a year.

            The '9' days of May. Pfffft...it's all the IRL's fault.
          • But....
            You are a single voice that can barely be heard. Honda, Firestone and the majority of major sponsors from the past speak volumes. It's fascinating IZOD can do what all of them haven't been able to do. The truth will set you free....it's amazing what computer graphics can do.

            When are they going to announce the one year delay for the new car?
          • Master of the Obvious
            Beats being out of business. Twice.
          • NASCAR's gonna kick the crap out of INdyCarz again this year
            Wasn't it Tony George that said the IRL (NOW indycarz) were gonna be bigger than F1 and NASCAR? What happened?

            The great asset buyout was a bust apparently for the Speedway as they can't muster the attendance and sponsorships the TWICE dead series CART did.

            How pathetic is that? The INDYCARz can't make it work WITH the Indy 500. What happened?
          • Still and all...
            No matter what anyone on this blog writes, good, bad, in favor, against, or otherwise, the simple fact remains: This year's Indy 500 has tens of thousands of seats still available and the sport is not popular to the extent it is almost non-existent with the general public. This year, in all honesty, will show the Indy 500 to be very much a "has-been" on the heap of sports history. Go look at the tickets avaiable right now. Amazing. The sport is yesterday. Object example: Gomertons over at Hackforum get a 4 hour over someone named "Pippa" getting a ride. God, this sport is geeky.
          • Word Out of Daytonee
            I don't know about Chief and Burl and their agenda but I did hear this today: Best estimate for next Sundayâ?¦.30,000 unsold seats. 30,000. Best estimate out of Indy for the Centennial 500, 30,000 unsold seats. Coincidence? I think not! Truth is: The sport is fading faster than an Izod polo shirt. Bwwwwaaaahhhhhaaaaahhhaaaaahaaa!!!! So them two may be on to a something, here, here, like as it said. Uh-huh.
          • How is it then....
            The race (the 'Most Important Race in History') so steeped in tardition at Indy, can only attract 245,000 fans? They used to bring in 400,000!

            Yet, with the HUGE popularity of NASCAR, they pull in 6 million PLUS fans at the track a season (versus IRL's 1.2 million)....so I ask, why is INdy the most important? They don't make money, they can't get TV ratings, they don't market or advertise, and they get 85% LESS fans through the gates than NASCAR....

            To add insult to injury, the IRL/IndyCAr can't even challenge the DEAD TWICE series for TV ratings OR Attendance. What's happening?
          • Anthonys Blog
            Anthony definately has the most vibrant blog in town.

            Mr. Schoettle, can you get for us the Nielsen number for the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show from last night, Tuesday, February 15, 2001

            TIA
          • Well That Is An Interesting Diversion
            Be sure to also get the demographic breakouts as well, particularly for Male 18-24, Male 25-34 and Male 35-49 to prevent any moronic, simplistic apples/oranges comparisons to construct straw men. I am not sure what the dog show has to do with this thread, but I would bet they skew heavily female.

            TAIA
          • Anthonys Blog
            another missed opportunity for the league to advertise to a much larger audience
          • FACT
            The USA Network is owned by NBC Universal...a COMCAST entity. Westminster was on USA Network.

            Not just missed opportunities...but also the GRAMMY's too. MILLIONS of eyeballs that couldn't tell a Conway from a Pippa.

            FREE ADVERTISING IDEA for IRL/INDYXARZ: Do the old 'Man On The Street' interview, where IMS PR folks go sttreet by strret interviewing folks and asking folks "When is the MOST IMPORTANT RACE in HISTORY"? Then, tape their responses and play them back as a commercial. Here's a sample:

            IRL PR Stooge: When is the MOST IMPORTANT RACE IN HISTORY?
            Man On The Street: What race?
            IRL PR Stooge: Open Wheel racing? You know, where cars race for 500 miles?
            Man On The Street: Oh, Daytona!
            IRL PR Stooge: No, it's in Indianapolis...you know, the Indy 500?
            Man On The Street: Never heard of it!

            Hilarity would ensue and IMS can play that yodel opening from the ABC brodcast to scare viewers away further. Add laugh-tracks and thats some fine marketing right thar.

          • Only 18 More To Go to 200!
            Attention Television Executives:

            How did buying time on television to attempt to foist cart and its successor organization work out? Twice? I have been told that product was superior. What happened?
          • TV Execs remember the "Split"
            Attention TV Executives:

            How'd did that IRL experiment work out, from an AOW as a "growing market" work out?

            North of $20 Million, not. VersUs for 7 straight years. 2010 Indy 500 pulling 3.68 ratings (from a 9.50 the last year before the IRL began). What happened, TV EXECUTIVES?
          • The Off Topic Answer Man
            Continuity. As opposed to bankruptcy. Twice.
          • It worked quite well
            more than one CART 500 had a 10 Nielsen rating....
          • Hehehehe
            5 1/2 weeks out...IndyCarz are not seen or heard from. March Madness upcoming...the lion sleeps tonite.

            Anthony doesn't even bother to write about it. HAHAHAHAHA...and CART is still DEAD twice!!

            The dead twice series STILL has higher technology, better competition, higher TV ratings and greater attendance than the IRL EVER, and IndycarZ today.

            And it didn't cost $765Million either...and it made money. And packed grandstands. Sold out Indy over one year in advance. What happened?
          • What happened?
            the Defender of iRlcar happened
          • Let's Orient Ourselves in The Present Century
            "more than one cart 500 had a 10 Nielsen rating...."

            It doesn't now. How did that translate into long term viability? LOL.
          • 3,68
            Lil E stuck his car in the wall....been reported all over the tube. The GREAT AMERICAN RACE.

            The viability of the sport went from 10.0 to 3.68. Small minded indycentric revisionist thinkers can't remember the past so they are doomed to repeat it. like defender....
          • An Orientation in Reality
            Past the INDYCAR Series is decidely not doomed to repeat: Bankruptcy. Twice.
          • Pathetic Defailure
            You're whistling by the graveyard quite a bit lately, is everything ok? Your only responses are TWICE, MATURITY and ORIENT YOURSELVES TO CURRENT CENTURY. Yet it's you who constantly responds with irrelevant immature psycho-babble, using a long dead series as your only rebuttal. You won dude, don't you care about your sport?

            Any news on the mega-activation sponsor promised 6 months ago, or a marketing effort by the speedway to promote the MOST IMPORTANT RACE in HISTORY? Anyone seen a new chassis or engine? How about Honda's exit strategy or Firestone's departure? How about 3.68's an 0.30's on an unwatchable 4th tier TV network. How about foreign ride-buyers, or the total invisibility of the series in the mainstream media and public. How about the 765MILLION and growing? Nothing, huh?

            Bankruptcy, twice. I guess senility has it's laughable moments.
          • Head Injury Victims Often Repeat the Same Questions Over and Over
            Answers:

            1. Mega-activation is being held up by politics involving NASCAR, IMS and INDYCAR. But no worries. The series has signed 14 blue chippers in 12 months, and sponsor spend more than doubled last season to over $81 million. The figure is projected to rise far above that for 2011. Even if IMS does not promote the 100th anniversary at all, they will still sell it out and get great ratings.

            2. Yes. Ryan Briscoe and others. It is said to look very good.

            3. Honda is not leaving. They clearly indicated this and indicated enthusiasm for producing the next gen engine.

            4. Firestone has not indicated they are leaving either.

            5. Versus has surpassed ESPN2. In just a few weeks, total households for the rebranded channel will approach or exceed 100 million.

            6. When compared proportionately to the ratings of 20 years ago, Indy Car gets great numbers. Particularly in coveted demo targets, where they rose 40% in 2010.

            7. There have always been foreign ride buyers in Indy Car.

            8. There is far more good news than bad news for INDYCAR these days. If you stop self filtering your Google alerts to find bad news, you will discover much good news.

            9. Anyone who seriously believes the INDYCAR Series has lost $765 million dollars over their lifetime needs professional counseling. Credibility would be helped by providing an accounting of revenue versus expenses.

            Facts that CAN be verified: cart killed itself. Twice.

            Only 8 more to go 'til 200!
          • What now
            So after 15 years of successfully Defending the demise of American open wheel racing, what do you hope to accomplish with your Decipleship...and does the Family have the funds for it
          • What is the Most Important Race all about
            I'm watching the DAYTONA TWIN 125's today...NASCAR all over...just got word DAYTONA qualifying TV ratings WAY up.

            How come you IRL lubbers can't compete? Not as important as you think huh?
          • What now
            Daytona 500 QUALIFYING AN UNQUALIFIED SUCCESS

            Audience figures for this early NASCAR season continue their upward trend as FOX Sportsâ?? coverage last Sunday of Daytona 500 Qualifying scored big. The three-hour event was up +25% in rating and +40% in viewership compared to 2010. Across key male demographics, 2011 Daytona 500 Qualifying was up +50% in the M18-34 demographic, +20% for M18-49 and +21% for M25-54.
          • Jimmie Johnson is in it!
            And he's holding his BABY right at the CAR!

            INDY: Not worth it for $25 MILLION.

            Hey, DIspiclile: I think NASCAR Speedweeks (2) WAY out draw the INDY 500 9 days o'May. What happened? Daytona's got 150K+ there on a thursday! And they gots TWO races, TWICE! Woot!

            Indy...invisible. Self important Centennial not even thought about...What happened?
          • Reality Sets In
            Daytona is NASCAR's big event. But let's deal with facts:
            1. It is far from sold out.
            2. Ratings thus far are flat.
            3. It will draw less than half the attendance of Indy.
            4. It has half the history of Indy.

            Not to the darkly obsessed: Indy is doing just fine. As you may have heard, INDYCAR added 14 new major commercial partners bridging 2009 and 2010, including Fortune 500 companies Verizon, Sunoco, Philips and Starwood. Promotional spending doubled in 2010 over the previous year, with licensing revenue up 83 percent and merchandise sales ahead 71 percent over the calendar year. Additionally, TV ratings and race attendance grew.

            Essentially, there is no reason for INDYCAR haters to panic. You may, if you wish, continue looking foolish.

            Were almost to 200!
          • More Strret Circuits!
            Indy is going Streets! When you peak you see a billboard every 100 miles or so. That'll do it.
          • yup
            Daytona not sold out.
            Daytona ratings WAY UP.
            Daytona OUTDRAWS Indy two weeks. Easily.
            Daytona surpassed Indy TV ratings about 6 years ago.
            NASCAR regular races out draw/higher TV ratings than Indy 500.
            NASCAR/Daytona has HIGHER interest than old, stodgy Indy. It also has advertising that INRL doesn't. Oh, it's on national OTA TV too. What happened? I thought Indy was Most Important Race in History?
          • We Broke 200! Woo-Hoo!
            200 Comments! Congratulations.

            See you in May.

            cart remains dead. Twice.
          • Dipcicle of iNdyCAR
            Television numbers remain embarrassing for 15 years. The Familys bank account remains in the negative for 16 years straight. The Speedway is worth less than 1/3rd of its previous value. Meaning the Family will never recoup its losses and it will have to continue throwing bad money after bad money. i am betting the Family is out after the mostly invisible 99th anniversary of the 1st race at the speedway. A report is saying the Sisters just let TOney back on the board. Winding down 15 years of no breakout seasons.
          • Indycar must advertise
            For Indycar to survive it must market and advertise. With no viable advertising who will even know there is an Indy 500, no less a Centennial Era.

            In my opinion the world can use less Tony George's and more creative insight like posters on this blog.

            -The NEW Defender
          • The NEW Defender
            the narcissist formerly known as Defender was proud to be able to go to an IRl race and have photos of himself taken with empty grandstands and no other person in sight. How do you differ?
          • 200 comments
            29% by defender of the .1rl, and most of them parroting the same thing over and over.
            Polly want a cracker???
          • HUGE Nascar Truck Race today
            And, they gonna have another 150K for it.

            Any IRL advertising being planned or spent? I heard from unreliable sources the Speedway don't need the publicity with all because they have the MOST IMPORTANT RACE in HISTORY....and paid Speedway Spokespeople are declaring the 500 a sellout already!

            Yeah, they sold out alright...

          • Lotus involvement
            Is being questioned as LOTUS apparently has laid-off many though has MANY contracts (including the dreamy IRL one in 2012).

            Whats happening? Randy has been throwing up a smoke-screen all along it seems....IRL is gonna get caught up in the oil slick fer sure.
          • HUGE crowd again at DAYTONA!
            HUGE crowd at Daytona again...IRL great Danica went from 4th to 20th on first lap!!!

            She's the best the IRL EVAH produced!

            Seriously, NASCAR is BLOWING away the 2 weeks of Indy attendance and TV ratings wise!!! Why is the Indy 500 called the MOST IMPORTANT RACE in HISTORY? They can't even beat NASCAR 3rd tier and ARCA attandance and TV ratings!!!
          • Spare no expense
            NASCAR is EVERYWHERE. Another GIGANTE crowd expected today with 42+ pilotos doing battle in the GREAT AMERICAN RACE!

            Sparing no expense, NASCAR is marketing everywhere. Strangely, the Indy 500 and the Irlcars are NOT taking advantage of this plethora of racing attention as it buries it's head in the sand like usual.

            The 'Most Important Race in History' apparently is not important enough to promote itself on a grand stage....like NFL playoffs, Super Bowl (largest TV audience in history), ANY run-of-the-mill college basketball game, ESPN family of networks, ABC, in sponsor commercials, in nothing....but the minds of IMS.

            I hereby place the FAILURE label on the CENTENNIAL and the marketing geniuses over at 16th and Georgetown. Indy (and AOW) is nothing but small potatoes on a tiny stage. Yet, they spent $750,000 to buy portable scoreboards for road courses (you know, the ones like Toronto that get 1/10th the fans the twice dead series got).

            West Union Cemetery still has space....this sport is dead.
          • HUGE CROWD
            Looks like a SELLOUT at Daytona today....not like the swaths of empty at Indy.

            I heard NASCAR drivers declaring this is the most important race (Daytona 500). No sight of Indy anywhere. Good work IMS.

            Also, all the NASCAR drivers had their little babies with them. Too bad they had kids, or they'd be at Indy. BWahahhahha!
          • Advertising Op Missed, AGAIN
            Storybook finish, in second race ever this 20 year old kid wins. Great American Race!

            Indy...Centennial...nadda. Rather spend money on portable scoreboards then advertising to the race public. Is it any wonder they have 3.68 ratings at Indy and 0.30 on verSus. I didn't even see and IZOD commercials or Firestone or anything out there today. Great JOB IMS! Greatest Invisible Race in History.
          • DAYTONA 17% HIGHER ratings
            Seems Mr. Disciple/Defender had it all wrong...

            Daytona WAS sold out.
            Daytona ratings WAY UP, 17% at a 8.4 rating.
            Daytona OUTDRAWS Indy two weeks. Easily.
            Daytona surpassed Indy TV ratings about 7 years ago.
            NASCAR regular races out draw/higher TV ratings than Indy 500.
            NASCAR/Daytona has HIGHER interest than old, stodgy Indy. It also has advertising that IRL doesn't. Oh, it's on national OTA TV too. What happened? I thought Indy was Most Important Race in History?

            Lotsa NASCAR folk declaring to a massive TV audience that DAYTONA is the most important race. Must be true...Indy can't top that.
          • Daytona is Katy Perry
            That's the only trouble with it. People eat at McDonald's too. Never underestimate the American consumer's appetite for junk. They love it. Plus, it is Winter. People have nothing else to do but watch the boxmobiles go round and round and round in mounted fashion. The whole thing is sugerplum, bad for a healthy diet. Void of gray matter builders. Zero sum. A 20-year old kid won it. That's cool. But what did he really win. Stink is stink, pile is pile. The Indy 500 is a monumental event and will be considered such this May. Two different beasts. It is just that NASCAR does there McCrappy Nuggets crispier and tastier than the frozen delights IMS warms up in the mic and serves on styrofoam. It is all bad and when you get down to it, is racing really a fulfilling item on your 21st Century plate. I say, no. Some still are gluttons. They'll die. As will NASCAR's ratings as we go. It's a who cares anymore, accept the Katy Perry 500. Indy is to Gomer for anyone but Donald D. and a couple droolers at Crackhead forum to care. Racing sucks anymore. Waste of material. Oh well, the song remains the same even if the toilet flushes cleaner now and the bills are getting paid. You see?
          • I enjoyed it
            FWIW, if American Open Wheel racing held interest for me, I would be there. But it doesn't. And it's clear to me the current IndyCarz don't want me as a fan, they don't care about me being a fan.

            Indycar/IRL is just going through the motions...yet THEY can't realize it. The sport is controlled by IMS idiots that have no idea what they are doing.

            They are trying hard to recreate something that they willfully refuse to admit existed successfully 16 years ago. That is an insult to me and and any fan like me. Millions of us feel the same way, yet they don't care.

            So, for their hard work, neither do I.
            • Don't Care?
              Chief:

              Dude. You "don't care"? Huh? This thread is 3,000 miles long, went on for nearly a month, and you posted dozens of times. And you have the gall to claim you don't care?

              You care more than anyone I've ever run across. You're in massive, massive denial.

              The only thing I can figure is that it's personal for you. Something must've happened that turned your love in to vitriolic hate. Oh, but you still care, alright. You care.

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