Time to say adios to Bush Stadium

July 17, 2008
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bushstadiumYankee Stadium, the House that Ruth Built, the home of 26 World Series Champions, a pillar of the Big Apple since 1923, will be demolished next spring.

Yet Indianapolis refuses to put Bush Stadium out of its misery. The Historic Landmarks Foundation of Indiana has placed the stadium on its 10 Most Endangered list for 2008. To quote the famous cartoon character and baseball hurler, Charlie Brown, “Good grief!”

Now a women’s semi-pro soccer team based in Lafayette wants to call it home. Is it April 1? Are they kidding? It would cost an easy $1 million to get Bush Stadium anywhere near ready to be a public venue again. Is women’s soccer in central Indiana that big a business?

A dirt track fronted by Indianapolis Motor Speedway boss Tony George couldn’t make it there. A Black Expo event there was a bust. City officials even once suggested it could be used for youth football. My sides still hurt from all the laughter over that one.

One city official recently called the former home of the Indianapolis Indians “solid.”
Solid? Have you seen the 77-year-old stadium lately. It has plant life growing out of the walls—and I’m not talking about the Ivy—and between the rows of bleacher seats.

Well, you know what I think. It’s time for Bush Stadium to come down. I have as many fond memories as anyone there, but it’s a depressing site along 16th Street and couldn’t be helping development on the city’s near west side.

So tell me what you think we should do with this “historical landmark.”
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  • incorporate the limestone entrance into a new bio science building and tear down the rest
  • I second saving the facade -- the rest is forgettable and beyond reasonable restoration.

    If I had several spare millions, I'd love to buy it, strip it down, put in an MLS stadium with an MLS team, and turn the area, including the field across the street, into a working, breathing, central Indiana shrine to all things soccer, amateur and pro.

    Alas, that's wishful thinking. IUPUI or life sciences seem to be the most realistic futures.

    Consider, like writer suggested, demolition. Much higher profile ballyards are coming down. Yankee Stadium -- soon, Detroit's old Tiger stadium -- right NOW, Busch -- already happened. Bush in Indy would be but a blip on the radar.
  • Good idea to save the facade and blend it into the life sciences focus in the area. Soccer - we don't need no stinkin' soccer stadium.
  • MLS and Amateur Soccer belongs in our new $1 billion stadium during the Colts off season.

    The Colts will only be using it for about 5 home games a year.
  • there will be a lot of Conventions at LOS

    why can't we upgrade Kuntz stadium across the street for a MLS team?
  • The Luke is way too big for an MLS team. Why do you think all the teams have purpose built 30,000-40,000 seat stadiums? Ever watch DC United play in their giant stadium - thing is 20% full. LA, Chicago, etc. all use (or are building - NY, DC) smaller stadiums when large venues are available.

    As much as it makes sense to utilize it, it's not practical for MLS or other smaller sports.
  • Jim, 5 home games a year for the Colts? Did the NFL shorten the regular season?
  • Bush Stadium would be the perfect place to build a sports-lovers paradise. A place to live and a place to play.

    Imagine several stories of condos with balconies overlooking the field from behind the outfield wall. How cool would it be to wake up in the morning and have a cup of coffee looking out over a beautifully manicured baseball diamond while the sun rises over first base?

    One could potentially convert parts of the original building into racquet ball courts, basketball courts, exercise facilities, apparel shops, etc., The parking lot could be built out and used for indoor tennis courts, an indoor running track, an olympic pool, etc. Parking would be underground.

    White River is right there, some sort of dock or fishing facility could be built (if the river were cleaned up). There's potential for a micro golf course along the river. The soccer fields across the street could be integrated into the design, perhaps via skywalk. Facilities for every major sport could be incorporated into a giant sports lover's dream home and facility. An organization like NIFS could manage it.

    It would take a heck of a lot of money, and a developer with great vision, but would extremely profitable and beautiful if done right.
  • Ablerock,

    You are a very insightful individual with great ideas, a positive promoter, but you're smokin' crack on the old Bush Stadium ideas! Just what forward thinker in our town Indy would be willing to step forward with the bucks and commitment to pull off this grand plan?
  • I agree with building a life science structure and incorporating the facade. In addition, the building could sit on the exact footprint of the stadium with the field providing an outdoor, beautifully landscaped area that contains the shapes and landmarks of the old baseball field. Perhaps stones, fountains, or small markers for where bases and pitcher's mound used to sit.

    I love the thought of a recreational area for the park and surrounding structures, but the golfing boom is holding steady and may even decrease over the next 20 years with baby boomers aging so the prospect of a 4th golf course within 2 sq. miles may be a stretch.
  • While it may seeem demolition is the answer, I think the question is: What do we do with it once it is gone. You mention it would easily need $1mil., let's make sure we know what it might cost to accomadate an alternate use. The dome is coming down for convention space - that makes sense. MSA came down for an unkown use, today it is an unattractive parking lot. Until you know the cost to bring it back to a usuable venue or you have an idea of what the site could be used for - I wouldn't waste anymore time thinking about it.
  • berwickguy,

    LOL! I know, it's a pie-the-sky idea, but I like to think big. I just thought I'd throw the idea out there in case there was a baseball lover with $500 million lying around that happened to be reading the IBJ!

    Michael,

    You're right. Unless it's causing environmental damage, why even worry about tearing it down until there is a need. We've lost a few great buildings downtown to projects that never materialized.
  • For at least a generation, the knee-jerk reaction in Indy has been
  • How about renaming this landmark George W. Bush Stadium. Then we can fill it with all the illegal immigrants that have been coming into our country. W. is not in touch with the Republican party on stopping this problem. At least the food would be better than the old days.
  • Tear it down!!!! It's old and run down. That's not the image you want for this area. Leaving in place leaves the idea that the area is neglected, an afterthought that city officials don't care about, and that will keep developers flying right on by. The solution certainly has nothing to do with sentimentality.
  • save the stadium
    Indy is known as the amateur sports capital of the world. why not put money into it to make it usable again. its a fantastic piece of history. it could be shared by different clubs to make it worth the face lift. we have a national championship winning rugby team and hurling team here in indianapolis with no permanent fields that would love to share it with a women's soccer team.
  • Signing my lease
    I loved the idea of it becoming high end apartments with a courtyard being the infield. I'd sign a lease tomorrow. What a great way to preserve the park and allow the people of indy to continue enjoying it.

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  2. These quaint,obsessed musings by the stalkers are certainly entertaining, but I'm trying to figure out what, if anything, all the yelping below has to do with Zak Brown.

  3. It's evident that Moffett was pushing the right buttons and corporate America is now trying to squash him. He just wanted to withdraw the free pilot services provided to the company by the pilots to try and put some pressure on a company that has not been interested in negotiating a contract in over 5 years. The company does not provide a contract because not having one has saved them a bundle of money. Shame on any Republic pilots not standing behind their union leader just because things are getting tough, can you not see such strategic moves by the company as putting the last union president in a corporate position and into THEIR pocket. Do you really believe the last union president is so appalled at the attempts by Moffett, do you not remember his oppositions to the company? We stood behind him. It has been proven over and over again for thousands of years without fail, a man cannot serve two masters. Anyone that believes people vote contrary to their paycheck and livelihood deserve to be taken advantage of, the recent statements by the former union president are laughable as he denounces the current union president from his new corporate position. Have you ever seen a drafted sports player score points for his previous team, it cannot be done, he is not on the pilots side anymore, he gets his money a different way now than you and I do, and he should not be allowed to remain on the seniority list. A drafted player brings strength, credibility, tactical knowledge, and a strategic advantage to his NEW team, he would not be drafted or paid were it otherwise. We are all forced to choose only one side to play for and support, not doing so has many references in life such as insider trading and shaving points, all illegal for good reason. This basic fact is why corporate moguls, scientist, and engineers all sign non-discloser agreements and non-compete clauses, as protection in case they are lured into switching sides as our former union president has done. No NFL coach ever drafted a player so that both teams could benefit and better understand each other, they are recruited to win the game against that former team, period. Likewise the company does not recruit the former union president by accident or mutual understanding, its strategy. Don't confuse playing the game with good sportsman-like conduct in support of common business and prosperity goals, with the requirement to only play for one side. Good men we all love and favor fall subject to this manipulation, often without their knowledge, and it is not a betrayal of their friendship to oppose them when they switch sides. If we did not love and trust them, they would not have been chosen and lured to the other side in the first place. The deception by the drafted player is not made at a conscious level, it's just human nature and it's all about money and power which corrupts our ability to be objective and loyal to two masters. This is why our court system created the defense attorney, and why our military created counter intelligence. Its strategy and its propaganda, and it works, and that's why the "powers to be" manipulate the chess pieces by sometimes changing their colors. Some players know they are being manipulated when their color is changed, but it brings them more money and power so they do not care. The rest have good intentions but do not even realize they are being manipulated. This tactic is also known by another name, Divide and Conquer. In battle sending an imperfect message with an imperfect team is obviously not ideal, but it's still being sent by YOUR team, your union leader, a leader that has common goals and common rewards with you, they are the best, because we have elected them to do a job for us. If you are not backing Moffett but believing the spin by those that have recently switched sides, you are taking food out of your own mouth. Showing unity and backing an imperfect situation still results in taking just as much ground, it's about unity and bargaining power. It's not necessary to wait around for that perfect attack because it will never come, the company will spin and attempt to destroy anyone that gets in their way. Ultimately it's not about any specific attack anyway, ASAP or whatever it makes no difference, it is and always has been only about power. If this company cared about safety it would not build pairings with 8 hour overnights, come on, are you that naive? Besides, do you really think Hoffa cares, no, he got a call from corporate America and was squeezed into denouncing Moffett. If he didn't they would spin the safety card against him and the Teamsters National with implication for truckers, future contracts, insurance rates etc...saying something like the Teamsters use safety as a bargaining chip, blah blah blah... Do you really think any pilot is going to do something unsafe for the contract, absolutely not, the only ones threatening safety here is the company with reduced rest, fatigue, and poverty. Do you not find it odd that Hoffa and the Teamsters are opposing a Teamster president publicly? Would the Teamsters National not normally support and work with one of their own? Why did they not sit down and help him strategize, correct any mistakes, and charge ahead? Would the Teamsters National not normally support and leverage a contract for all those pilots that have been paying Teamster dues, isn't that why we have all been paying Teamster dues in the first place? I sure haven't been paying dues so that the Teamsters National could come along and write this kind of an article undercutting our union leader and our unity. Whose side is the Teamsters National really on, it's obviously not the Republic pilots side.

  4. No matter what Moffatt does the company is going to spin it like he is the terrorist and brainwash people like you into believing it, wake up, back your players that are trying to change things for you and your livelihood. Where has Hoffa been for the last 6 years, except collecting our dues. Seriously, do you really think an FO going for upgrade, signed off by a checkairman ready for the upgrade, who then fails, is not even capable of returning as a First Officer.

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