Update on the Circle Truss

November 2, 2007
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Circle TrussWhat do you think of the Circle Truss proposal? The 280-foot-tall, $10-million stainless steel structure, designed by Kevin K. Parsons & Associates Inc., would be lined with LED lights lit with colors that could change for special occassions or at the request of visitors to a Web site. The monument effort got a fundraising boost recently, when the Efroymson Fund gave the planners $50,000 to pay for final designs. The effort, led by Rotary Club of Indianapolis, needs to raise a total of $300,000 to cover design costs for the monument at 11th and West streets. Advocates have promised to use only private funds for the venture. They hope the city, state or feds might eventually pitch in some funding to re-route roads around the project. The proposal was reported first in IBJ in January. That story is here. Thanks to IBJ's Jennifer Whitson for the update.
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  • I think this project is awsome! Its something unique and different for Indianapolis and its being funded by private money which is a plus. I cant wait to see this project go up!
  • $300k in private money to build the truss, but how much public money will it cost to relocate streets?

    I'm not crazy about the Circle Truss. In trying to remember the other contestants, I think my favorite option was the pole lights at the 4 gateway corners of downtown. And in retrospect, that would have tied in well with the Cultural Trail lighting scheme.
  • I like the idea of the Circle Truss, however it would be much better if it was made similar to the arch (being able to go up and have great views of the city). Not only would it boost revenue for the city, but it would also give people a great place to take pictures of Indianapolis.
  • When I first saw this idea I liked it, but the more I look at it the more
    circus feel I get from it. . .like the circle ball motorcyclists ride in at
    a circus show. Or one of the thrill rides at Cedar Point. Is this thing hail proof?
  • That thing is hideous. It looks like the bastard offspring of a collapsed building and a roller coaster.

    I'm also against any sort of gateway arch over the street. Taking a page from The Urbanophile's book, I'll say this: If you're someplace worth being, you shouldn't need a gateway to tell you that you've arrived
  • Hey, have the people mover run a loop-de-loop and charge for the ride. It'll help defray the road improvement costs. Maybe they can throw in barf bags - for the people that have to look at this less than mediocre design.
  • Please NO do not build this thing what a waste.....10 million could be so much better used.....
  • Although I love the general idea of how developers are trying to improve Indy's image as a city that supports the arts... but at the same time, as some of the posters mentioned on here... it is kind of boring after a few looks. At first, I was surprised, thought to myself, oh wow, how exciting. But then after a few minutes... I thought to myself...Oh... well I guess that will just be A structure, not THE structure of Inidanapolis As someone said... it would be nice to have a structure to go up to the top and take pictures of downtown Indy... but then again... I don't f**king care what happens. If something is built there, I'll appreciate it, but I won't be moving back to Indy just becasue of that lol. Indy has a LONG way to go to offer me much more incentives for me to move back. Note: Rail transit, more variety of job opportunities, more street level retail in downtown, ALL of the districts, need to be happening not just somewhere you go for the day for a couple of hours and then go back home. Think of neighborhoods/districts in Chicago, New York, Columbus.
  • By the way... Indy still is a big snore. Maybe not as bad as it was before 1995, but a snore still happens to this day. I can't even imagine investing my own money into opening a clothing store on Mass Ave if I wanted to. Since I'm in the fashion business, I am sure I will fail pretty much. Too bad I'm already alive, because I bet 70 years from now, I would be very smart to open a business downtown. This time and age... Indy still bores me.
  • dustin - it's too bad you feel that way. is indy the end-all of modern civilization? of course not. but it is far from a snore and you obviously haven't been back or have much imagination if that's all you could glean from life here. i think the circle truss is a wonderful project as it takes it's cue from from arguably the symbol most associated with indianapolis: the circle. i think with a more refined look (which the architects are currently working on) this will be great. it will be magnanimus when built and standing/driving beneath it. not to mention it will add color to the night sky. i agree that more important things need to happen in the city (mass transit!!) but indianapolis rotary never once set out to solve this city's issues. they wanted to contribute something to the city (doubt they're going to raise a billion plus to build light-rail) in the form of a gateway. there are gateways in every major city around the world so i say kudos to the idea. it would be cool to be able to go up it and catch the views.
  • there's no accounting for taste. no, its not striking, but its not like repugnant either. i see no reason not to build it, especially if the project is privately funded.
  • I like it, although I worry about the cost ($10M could do a lot of good in other areas). They should make the inside of the truss to resemble DNA strands to promote a life sciences image - esp. since this is near a key hoped-for life sciences corridor.
  • dustin,

    I have read your multiple posts on the Indystar.com website and your always saying your moving back to Indy from Phoenix and how awful it is there and how much Indy has to offer and how we should appreciate what we have. What has changed your attitude or did you leave Phoenix and find a true utopia?
  • I'm curious Mark. Where did you ever read that I said I was moving back to Indy from Phoenix? I never said Phoenix was awful. You must be dyslexic. In fact I don't live in Phoenix. I live in Tucson. I believe you are talking about someone else, and he actually lives in Phoenix. I've seen another poster on here from Phoenix leaving comments on here and indystar.com. You must have me confused with someone else.

    And Ryan, you said what you had to say. You seemed like you were taking a jab at me for what I stated was true. I guess you were entirely bored with the concept of keeping your comments to yourself rather than direct them to me specifically. I only stated a few things that were true about Indy's lifestyle as of today. Of course, I already know how Indy is today. I visit the city two times a year. I already know what is going on downtown. As far as I know, things are just about the same as they were two years ago when I moved out of downtown. Yes when I visit, I have a great time because I get to see my friends and family, but do I get shocked or surprised by what's going on downtown? NO. Everything is still the same, and please don't give me the lecture on how new developments are happening, because they surely don't excite me much. They are only just condo developments, and more hotels. WOOPTEEDOOOOOOOOOO. Big deal. Get over it.

    I know you might be responding to this and tell me more of your disagreement to what I just said, but just remember that I will definately take it as flattery. You're just upset because someone doesn't see it the way you do. Have a good one!
  • The Circle Truss is an uninspiring design of the type that has become all too common in Indianapolis. There were a number of failures here, but the key two were:

    1. Insisting only on local designers. I'd certainly prefer local designers, all things being equal. But, with a few notable exceptions, the designs local architects, artists, and designers have created for the city have been bland and uninspiring. Contrast this with, oh, the rest of the world where every aspiring city is hiring internationally renowned, Pritzker Prize willing architects to design their signature structures. I've got my own problems with starchitecture, but the Indianapolis way is not the solution.

    2. It completely ignores the city's most important black heritage corridor. With Indiana Ave and the Walker Theater, MLK Street and Crispus Attucks High School, this would be the perfect location for a black heritage themed gateway to anchor a revitalized MLK corridor and connect it more closely to downtown. It is shocking to me to see that there was zero consideration of this in the design or RFQ.

    I already wrote up an extensive posting on this design previously, should you care to read it.

    http://theurbanophile.blogspot.com/2007/01/circle-truss-selected-for-new-indy.html
  • Dustin,

    Too bad you can't see some degree of positive in Indy's improvements. While it may not be newsworthy or notable in many circles, there are many investments in downtown. Rather you just dismiss it all as void of worth. Sounds like Indy may be better off without you. Enjoy, whereever you go, as long as it's somewhere else.
  • To Dustin, You can't truley see hoow the city is and has changed and flourished with just coming back twice a year. I have lived here for over 2 years now and am still finding new gems of things to do, neat areas, and entertainment options. Someone said that Indianapolis is a place that you have to search for things and when you find it, you'll love it. We don't have mountains, beaches, skiing or anything else like that, but Indy does have a lot more to offer than when I was here 10 years ago.
  • SEC- Don't look now, but that thing will be right in the middle of a growing life-sciences district...not something hoped for. IPS is moving their medical magnet programs to Crispus Attucks. IU's incubator as well as Clarian's lab and new office are in its shadow. Clarian's 16th St. Methodist campus is inexorably growing southward toward 11th St.

    I agree with your suggestion of a DNA-strand design theme, if this gets built. It also ought to be loaded with solar panels so that it powers itself and puts something back into the grid.

    That said...ten million bucks would finish ten to twenty miles of Greenways Trails radiating out from the Cultural Trail and create better connections between the first ring suburban areas and downtown.

    I'd rather live in (and show off) a city that promotes its coolness factor around fitness and revitalization of conveniently-located inner-ring neighborhoods than around gigantic donuts.
  • hmmm...well the truss beats the corn cob they were thinking about building back in the day, and I think the lighting scheme is a great idea. However, it really does look an awful lot like a roller coaster.

    Of the other entries in little 'competition' they had, this was my favorite. I seem to recall liking one of the designs better, but at the end of the day I thought this one IS a circle and we ARE the 'circle city'. What I would have liked to have seen is something taller. 280ft IS very tall, but it won't be as prominent as the Arch or the Space Needle. Of course we don't have the kind of money to build 500ft+ structures like those.

    Here's what I say: If they can get the height over 300ft, make it look less like a roller-coaster, and keep it privately funded, I'm all for it...oh and come up with a catchier name!! I guess we'll see when they release the final plans.....
  • It looks like a rollercoaster.
    Why not invest this money into revitilizing more neighborhoods and fixing up boarded up buildings?
  • I think an IKEA would go great right next door to that thing! :gomer:
  • By the way, while I don't consider Indianapolis a snore, Dustin is right about one thing, there does not seem to be a market for men's fashion in Indy. You can get a decent selection of classic attire at Raleigh Limited, including Isaia suits, but look for anything fashion oriented and you find a bit of a desert. There is a limited selection of Prada at Saks, but it is mostly brands like Theory and 7 for All Mankind. There is no store in Indy like, say, Brigade Clothing in Cleveland. And the merchandise mix in many other Saks stores is significantly better.
  • There are no quality architects in Indy, so why do we keep hiring them!?!
  • I don't think anyone has any business calling anyplace a snore. When I was a kid and I told my parents I was bored, they'd respond, now whose fault is that? Different places have different things to offer. I think we all ultimately need to settle in a city or town that offers what we want. OR, if you live somewhere and you want it to offer something you want that it doesn't, do something about it!

    I recognize, of course, that this is idealistic and very naive. For example, I know everyone here would like to see better architecture in Indianapolis, but I know I don't have a lot of time to do more about it than just discuss it here. I only hope someone who DOES have time is listening...

    Or..maybe I'm just easily amused...ha ha
  • To Dustin...and whoever can fill me in...

    I'm still trying to figure out how in the hell Columbus fits in the same sentence with New York and Chicago??? Give me a beak. Just goes to show how much stock any of us should put in your post.
  • JoBu, I was wondering the same thing. I'd say Indy probably gets the edge over Columbus downtown, because their downtown mall is dead while ours is thriving. We have two professional sports teams playing downtown; their pro football team plays in a neighborhood to the north. :-)
  • The neighborhoods in Columbus are leaps and bounds better than anything Indy has to offer. We have nothing close to German Village.
  • I really like this. I was a bigger fan of the Light Tower design but the Circle Truss was a close second in my mind. As for the city/state/fed funds to reroute the roads, that's needed to be done in that area for a long time so if it takes a project like this to get that traffic mess fixed then I'm even more for it.
  • No we don't have anything like the German village. I'v been to Columbus, it has many great neighborhoods, but alot are alike to Indy's.
    The Old Northside or Lockerbie square could very much so be compared to many of the neighborhoods in Columbus. Though I do think our neighborhoods could use more cafes and clubs.
  • I certainly wouldn't consider Columbus an urbanite's mecca by any mean, but one should visit there before dismissing it. Walk around German Village, take a drive up High Street, checking out the various neighborhoods like the Short North, Worthington, etc. along the way. Then come back and draw your comparisons to Indianapolis. I'd say Indy wins some, Columbus wins some, but on the whole the cities are reasonably comparable, perhaps the closest thing to real twin cities in the United States.
  • Urbanophile - you couldn't be more right on the twin cities of Indianapolis and Columbus. I've lived 1/2 my life in Indiana and the other half in Ohio - and am intimately familiar with both cities. They are very alike not only in size and as state capitals - but in many other ways - and my wife and I have always made the connection you made.

    The biggest differences, other than something like sports teams, however, are these: Columbus has Ohio State University - which is massive and tends to be a focus of many people's lives (not in a good way) - and a reason for many graduates to stay in the area. Indy has no university that comes close - and IU and Purdue sure don't count...

    Also, Columbus, unlike Indy - has major and desirable upscale suburban areas on the west (Dublin, etc..), to the north (Worthington, Westerville, etc..) and to the east (New Albany, etc...). Incoming execs would just as likely move to Dublin or Upper Arlington as they would to New Albany - whereas Indianapolis is 100% focused to the N/NE - to all the ridiculously fast growing suburbs we all know. In a few years, Indy will one big north suburb with nothing else... - while Columbus will grow in many directions.

    Finally, Columbus is the state capital - like Indy - but FAR from the largest city in the state, despite what residents and city officials will tell you. Indy is far and away the biggest Hoosier city, regardless of the measure --- which means something with regards to the focus those outside of Columbus have.. The Columbus metro area (the only real # you can use in how big your city is) is the third largest in the state - just about 1/2 the size of the Cleveland area and 2/3 the size of Cincinnati - though they'll say their the biggest city in Ohio) which, technically, is true - but only as it relates to actual city of Columbus boundaries... Indy can be faulted for claiming they're the 12th largest city in America, too -- as it's simple not true as it relates to anything more than city boundaries). Therefore, in the minds of Ohioans outside of Columbus, Columbus is almost a joke --- while those in Columbus think it's pretty much the greatest city on earth... (Laughable). Unfortunately, Indy residents - many at least - feel exactly the same way about Indy.

    With all that said - give me Pittsburgh or Cleveland or St. Louis - or another midwestern city with a little more soul and a little more diversity - over either of this milquetoast burgs... Sorry.
  • dwirth, urbanophile, and Erich R. H. You guys couldn't have said anymore, because you've pretty much summed all my arguments I've provided in here. Especially dwirth... when he said that the Indy people and Columbus people supposedly think their cities are the greatest on Earth... that's pretty laughable.

    I've said it before and I will say it again. Live in Indy for a while... eventually it becomes a big snore... Whatever new thing you see or hear of... it's usually something similar to what has already been done in the area. For example... OH... A NEW CONDO BUILDING!! Woopee... that's become to redundant. OH... A NEW HOTEL BUILDING!! *snore* OH... architecture???? *SNORE* As for the Cultural Trail... kudos... I absolutely love that concept, but unfortunately, that is not enough... for downtown.
  • Dustin, you are totally correct. Indy needs to step it up big time because every other city our size is rapidly passing us by. Pretty soon, we will be on the level of Omaha & Dayton (we already are in terms of architecture).
  • I'll tell you what makes a bigger impression. Drive through Peoria, Illinois at night sometime. They have completely refurbished the design of all bridges, signs and overpasses through the center of town, and every single piece of road-related infrastructure is uniformly designed in a modern, streamlined theme, with subtle but striking blue lighting (like airport runway blue lights), that lead you all the way through town. When you hit the city limits, you know you've arrived somewhere that actually thought about the experience of driving through it.

    The Circle Truss is not impressive, would be seen for a brief millisecond (and largely obscured by the concrete retaining walls if the interstates), and have the unmistakable look of something that the best can be said of it is that it would be easy to dismantle. There is precisely zero urban design concept for this city, as it appears to visitors (and residents, for that matter). We have no signature skyline, and nothing that tells approaching drivers that they are in a place indistinguishable from Columbus, Dayton, or a dozen other flat-as-a-flitter Midwest cities. No, a truss is something you hold in a hernia with, and its location at 11th Street makes zero sense.

    Now, what if they built smaller ones as a gateway over each interstate approach to the downtown? Hmmm. Still thinkin' on that...
  • I just passed gas.
  • Dustin:

    You are ridiculous and should keep your absurd posts off this blog.
  • Peoria is not a town to live in. My famioly lived there for 23 years moved here and still have some family there. They can't retain a city manager for more than 3 years. The financies are out of wak. Once nice neighborhoods and vistas such as Grandview Drive overlooking the river, have started to deterioarate and they have no money except for roads ( the highway running through it) It's skyline is nice and has relied on the Par-A-Dice, but business options lack, unless your going to work for caterpillar.
  • I wasn't pimping for Peoria as an example of fine fiscal management or a great place to live. I know nothing about it. I was referring to a design concept that was applied to the overall look and feel of the gateways in and out of the city. The proposed Indianapolis Circle Truss is just a piece of sculpture, not true gateway to the city. And I have shown the artist's rendering to five people who all said broken roller coaster in the first 20 seconds of looking at it. Like I say, with it standing all alone at 10th Street, it's a pile of scrap metal. Used in a smaller form over the interstates leading into the downtown area from the north, south, east and west along I-70 and I-65, such a repeated design might just look like an intentional motif. Maybe.
  • Personally, I like the truss - build it !
  • It actually reminds me more of that giant Dunlop tire (or whatever brand it is) on I-94 headed into Detroit!
  • Ever see it as calling us the Circle City with a literal sense...? Having an item like this will give a new meaning to Circle City and Hopefully more will see the Indianapolis Monument as a way to remember us. But come for more than just that.

    Chicago has the Sears Tower, St. Louis has The arch, Seattle has the Space Neetle. It just would be cool if we had more than just Indy 500, Colts, and Pacers as what people think of, when they think of INDY.
  • $10 million would be better served on light rail or lighting the monon-cultural trail.

    The Truss looks like the circus is in town
  • This idea should quietly die.

    It provides no real function and appears out of place like the giant ferris wheel in London.

    I agree with previous comments that the money and effort would be spent better elsewhere.
  • Take the $ and invest it in redevelopment of the E. Washington St. corridor. It's hiddeous: Washington St. from Alabama St. to Irvington--and, the Swirlee-Q.
  • Private funds ... private funds... private funds... private funds...

    Let's put an end, please, to comments that the money could be put to better use like light rail, fixing neighborhoods, etc.

    What? The Rotary Club should wait for some hazy future city/state effort to build a meaningful mass transit system?

    What? The Rotary Club should hand money over to neighborhood associations for improvements, and trust that fairness, accountability and integrity will occur in each project?
  • Indiana Jones:

    They hope the city, state or feds might eventually pitch in some funding to re-route roads around the project.
    They hope the city, state or feds might eventually pitch in some funding to re-route roads around the project.
    They hope the city, state or feds might eventually pitch in some funding to re-route roads around the project.
    They hope the city, state or feds might eventually pitch in some funding to re-route roads around the project.
  • AND, who will pay the electric bills and the maintenance/upkeep for this monstrosity? Let me guess - the taxpayers.

    Let's stop trying to put lipstick on the pig and work on fixing the pig. If private industry has this kind of money to throw around for something goofy like this that serves NO purpose whatsoever, then maybe they should be paying more in taxes to help support the community, or giving to philanthropic projects that will actually help people.

    This, IMHO, does nothing for the city or its inhabitants.
  • Aside from the architecture, I'd be more enthused about this project if it had a function. If an observation deck was added then it would provide some great views of downtown. It would actually draw people to visit it and could become a real attraction. Otherwise, it's just something people will drive by and say oh that's neat.
  • The Gateway Circle project indeed seems unnecessary! But, isn't that the beauty of all great art and design! Not needed, desired or understood until built.... its purpose manifested by interpretation alone!

    Comparing this design to a 'broken roller coaster' or circus ride is absurd and shows your ignorance. Wanting to incorporate the life science (DNA) motif or African American significance is understandable; due to location; but Indianapolis isn't just one little corner or intersection... it isn't where hospital meets intersection; meets university meets motor speedway; meets circle... you get the point.

    12th largest city in the world and growing; that's impressive. An opinion above states this city is boring and uninspired; yet here's a design, representing again -- what Indianapolis IS known for/as around the country, The Circle City.

    Someone mentioned metal; easy to disassemble. I think the translucent structure of the Gateway is more imaginative and grandeur than any concrete, stone building or statue could be.

    The interstates are in poor condition; having now moved from Indiana I often think back to the horrible holes and cracks on I-70 and 465; the poorly designed overpasses and entrances; and yet under constant construction. Are there worries about funding; private or not...sure! These concerns are all on some list for city councils.

    But, this is a proposal to add a gateway, welcoming that bandwagon to Indianapolis every May for race month! Inspiring travelers heading east across country they've never experienced.

    Get over your opinions of mediocrity. Adding round-a-bouts to the circulation system of downtown is long-over-due.

    I also noticed a reference/comparison to the London Eye. What a compliment. Although the comment was describing the eye as being out of place/an eyesore... how foolish you are. The Gateway could benefit from having a place for taking photographs of the skyline; I agree. Yet, park down at White River Park, near the museums and you can get the best shots of the city. I recommend spring; the blossoms are beautiful; the grass is green; and the city is calm.

    Best of luck to the fundraisers; God Bless you! To the architects and designers: brilliant! To the inhabitants: get ready for change!
  • Fisher's gal responds that maybe they should be paying more taxes. Always a liberal's priority - tax the rascals that have the nerve to do something out of the ordinary. Like many of you, I don't think the idea has as much value as the promoters, however there must be some leaders in the community involved in this that have reasons for this project. And they don't have to answer to the responders with even nuttier ideas such as Fisher's gal.

    Perhaps if the community, the state, and the nation actually had the courage to adopt the Fair Tax, we could get the IRS, the congress, and the Fisher's Gals out of our pockets forever. We should at least give credence to those who are trying to have positive ideas for the community.
  • Man!!!, I have not wirnessed so much complaining in a long while from all you regular bloggers...you know what I mean! Anyway, CityGirl 13 seems to get it all. Case statement, the St. Louis Arch took 16 years to build with taxpayers $ after the design won a national competition. This one will hopefully not take so long, and I understand the design is being refined and expanded to be more structurally, physically and artistically appealing to the appearance of bio-life-sciences, etc., and its overall visual impact.. Sure for $50M more you could go up in it...anyone want to donate that? There seems to be a lot of 'misinformation' out there on this one. Patience will be a virtue here, hang on bloggers!
  • I have to say that I agree with some and disagree with others. Sure Indianapolis is no Boston or Chicago. These are truely World Class Cities. I think that Indy is starting to build into the concept of World Class Identity. Is Indy a bore...Yes. Most cities with a metro population of 2 million or less is a bore. However I think that Indy is the true pulse of what many MidWest cities want. We have a lot of great starts for the city. Yes we do have major sport teams here, we will soon have a World Class airport, we also are building our downtown while many other cities aren't able to do so. You must remember that many cities, have to build many 15 story and 20 story buildings before building major league 80 story buildings. Give Indy time to grow. This Circle Truss isn't meant to be a tourist attraction, but a chance to create character to an area. It may inspire shops and pubs to open in this area around the Truss. I think it is good to build only because it gives inspiration to some, without a hit to my pocket. It may increase revenues by having more busieness locate there, and also may expand downtown's future building footprint. So yes Indy is a bore, but there isn't a Midwest City that is growing faster.
  • Yep. On second thought it's perfect for Indy. It's drive-through art. in the shape of a giant donut. It's a satiric jab on several levels: at the poor state of our city's physical fitness, its car-centered existence, and its general taste (color-changing by online voting a la Idol or Dancing with the Stars).

    Who knew the Rotarians were masters of satire?
  • I think the gateway project is a great idea, that whole part of town needs a facelift. I think with the life science future being in that area it should be a go. Patience is a virtue and all you people dogging the project just wait till it's a reality it will be good for the city.
  • Bonjovifan357, your taste in music is almost as bad as your taste in architecture.
  • If it gets built, it will surely draw attention: the jeers and laughter from all the other second tier cities looking at how mediocre and simplistic we are.

    Yes, it is really that bad.
  • CityGirl13

    Indianapolis is not the 12th largest city in the world. It's 12th largest in this COUNTRY.
  • I think the truss is a great idea and a wonderful design. But I am an open minded
    person who can appreciate art. We are the circle city, and this represents our
    image.

    Who said they hope to get federal funding---the media-- not the actual designers.

    City Girl 13 does seem to get it all!!! Indianapolis does has a lot to offer.

    It seems a lot of the bloggers are speaking before they know the facts and truly
    can not see the bigger picture.

    Freedom of speech is important. But If you are spending your time on these blogs just to argue and put each other down, I feel sorry for you. You need to gain some perspective and maturity!
  • I like the idea behind this, but as mentioned, it needs to serve a purpose and it should be TALLER! If this was made taller with an observation deck, then I would be more supportive. If the City was really thinking big, why not have this thing straddle the White River, make it taller, ad an observation level, and then you will have a very unique feature!~
  • OpenMinded, I'm also an open-minded person who can appreciate art. But I am also an analytical person who can use critical faculties to decide whether a piece of art is good or not. This piece isn't. It's a simplistic, trite formal response to the notion of Circle City, it's poorly sited, and it employs a structural device that recalls building traditions from the early part of the last century, not this one. If Indy is trying to be forward-looking this piece is not a good signifier of that goal.
  • Dustin, you are right! I was in such a hurry to share my ideas, I miswrote 'world instead of country.' Thank you for the correction, Dear Lad.

    LibertyBell, you mention the truss being poorly sited... To my recollection, the site was predetermined for this design contest by the rotary club.... Do not fault the architects for the positioning of their vision.

    OpenMinded, your comments are very well received! ...on another note, I can't believe someone has the nerve to pick on a blogger for their taste in music.

    Kudos again to the architect leading this project! What outstanding commentaries you have already provoked throughout the city...without intention!
  • Since liberty bell doesn't appreciate all art, where is your art project? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder-so there!
  • No national design competition here. Not even and open design competition. You get what you pay for. Indeed beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but the average discernment level of the beholder in Indiana is still quite juvenile. Perhaps the money should be spent on art and design education in this state. When they complete this will all of the Rotarians join hands encircling the base and sing their theme song about the Rotary wheel?
  • I hope if this thing gets built it gets hit by a tornado! Ew.
  • Whatever -- You're right about there not being a NATIONAL design competition, but there was a competition. None of the designs are particularly inspiring, but the fact that there was a competition at all was a good step.

    http://www.bsu.edu/capic/gateways/projects/rotary/rfp_boards.html

    The Triumph statue is pretty silly, but that presentation is worth looking at for their very logical and feasible redesign of the on/off ramp structure (in contrast to the absurd design in Gateway Circle). I also like that several of the plans include extending the canal walk up to 16th St.
  • Berwickguy, I am NOT a liberal - far from it, as a matter of fact. But what I see is a city that is in FAR greater need of many things other than a metal truss. If these companies have all this money to spend on something this useless, maybe they should be putting it toward something more important.

    If you needed to buy food for your children, you wouldn't go out and spend all your money on carnival games, would you? That's what I mean. It just doesn't make sense when the city is in fiscal crisis. That's far from liberal.
  • The competitors in the competition were chosen through an RFQ process that was only open to invited firms, in general landscape architecture firms.
  • It's being built with PRIVATE FUNDS I think it's up to them what they want to spend THEIR money on whether you think it's a good thing or not--No Tax dollars!!!
  • Wrong design, wrong location. Maybe even the wrong idea.
  • Being built by private funds doesn't mean it will be maintained by
    private funds 15 years from now. If this is built it WILL eventually be a
    tax burden. I love the idea of the Cultural Trail, but it too
    will be a tax burden in coming years, and from someone who's inner
    city street and sidewalk hasn't been maintained or replaced since 1989
    because the city can't find the funds to do so, I don't see how it will
    cough up tax dollars for something like this.
  • Matthew -- I'm not sure how they plan to pay for upkeep on the Truss, but the Cultural Trail already has a multi-million dollar endowment for upkeep, as well as plans for excess orders of pavers to maintain color continuity should broken pavers need to be replaced in the future. The Cultural Trail has been extremely well-managed from day-one.
  • Good point, Fishers Gal, however, we can't dictate how private organizations spend their money. We both know this. The very fact is that no company or organization is going to bail the City of Indianapolis out of the Bart Hole we find ourselves in. There's a lot of blame to go around, but it primarily lies with the state's legislative incompetence and the current city leadership that seems to be on a high from some goofy kool-aid. I would bet that if the design had something to do with a football, basketball or race car, Bart would be on it like Bobby Knight on a point guard.
  • berwickguy, like you don't have flatulence? Get over yourself, ol' mighty godlike creature.
  • Dustin,

    Sing praises and alms, peon!
  • What a disgrace to the city. I am praying this never sees the day of light.
  • Actually, the city can regulate what private people spend their money on when it involved building structures, particularly those that involve city and state owned ROW as well as relocating and changing the designs of streets, the canal, etc.
  • The city can but the city won't, because any dissent is
    eliminated and nullified.

    The city should lead and not just except whatever is
    thrown at it. This truss is poorly sited and in no way
    relates to the Circle just because it has a similar shape.
    The Circle itself is problematic in that many visitors
    seem to be astonished at how difficult it is to find it and
    then are disappointed when they see it is really small
    and hidden - you can't see it from anywhere, except
    straight on and even then it is not obvious. I have had
    people on Market Street two blocks away - looking
    right at it - asking me where it was and not realizing that
    was all there was to it. As usual with Indy, the hype never
    matches reality.

    Yeah, the truss is private money and the cultural trail is
    private money, but again, the city should encourage those
    private funds be leveraged to provide for basic needs.
    Developers never have any problem asking the city (taspayers
    to kick in some dough for whatever development scheme
    crosses their mind. I just can not stand watching sidewalks get ripped up when there are extensive gaps in the existing sidewalk
    network that they money could build or repair. Frankly, tom e
    building something like the cultural trail and every other
    supposedly high concept project is a slap in the face to
    citizens who need to have a functional city before they
    have a fun city.

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