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By popular demand, here's the other rendering of West Merrill Tower. You can also see it here. This is the side of the building that would face downtown:
Are you sure this is not a building for Vegas? It has that fake “feel†look to it. Looks like they took an old showneys
restaurant and added floor under it.
The top of this is much better than the Villagio. The Villagio is basically designed to only be viewed on one side. Merrill
Tower may be fakey, but at least this is a 360 degree design.
If they hid the garage better and had some inviting ground-floor space, I wouldn't hate this as much.
One strange thing I see is that the upper portion appears to be 15 or 16 stories, indicating that the garage area below
is 8 to 9 stories. Is that possible?
I'm just happy to see the prospect of some development south of the railroad tracks. The stadium is bringing a lot of life
to a rough section of downtown that has long been in need of revitalization (or just vitalization, really). I used to work
on Capitol just south of where the stadium is going. While somewhat bitter the building I worked in was swallowed up by eminent
domain, it's nice to know they now feel comfortable building a building down there without bars over all the windows (or with
windows at all for that matter).
I agree with CoryND. This is much better than Villagio. Don't look at that building from the south, only from the other
three directions. Also, put some ground level retail; that will help Merrill Tower a lot. Will the project ever get off
the ground? Good question, but I sure hope it does.
Is the garage going to be less visible on the front side (i.e. glass on that part garage in the back facing dt)? The architecture
isn't incredible, but I like the terraces above the garage and at the top. Hope it gets built, maybe the developer can put
in more condos instead of hotel rooms and advertise as close to dt, stadium, and eli lilly, seems as if there's just such
a huge amount of hotel construction. I wish the hotel deveolpments on the west side of the stadium would've been less suburban
in nature.
I think it will make much more of an impact if it gets built as it is further from the circle.
It would be nice to see this view of the proposed building in as tight a rendering as that of the southern face published
in IBJ.(http://www.ibj.com/html/detail_page.asp?content=03221)
It surprises me that a tower that has a decent amount of flair starts out so utilitarian at the pedestrian vantage point.
I think what needs to happen to support the amount of hotel development that we have recently seen proposed is a commitment
of companies to move in from the outlying areas to downtown to start filling some of these office buildings with high vacancy
rates. Downtown development can't feasibly continue to be so heavily residentially oriented. Something has to happen other
than a new convention center and stadium to diversify development and promote new ventures like this.
I certainly understand where you are coming from; however, there are over 120,000 people that work downtown. That is
a huge number for a city our size. Yes, we have a high vacancy rate, but all of the IUPUI, Lilly and Government jobs really
helps.
Therefore, I think that the residential boom is just catching up to all oof the office developmment that happened in
the late 1980's.
Does anyone know if the garage space with this particular building was designed to accomodate additional parking beyond what
is needed to service the hotel/residences?
It is my understanding that the Stadium Authority needs an additional 1000 parking spaces. Is it possible that this
project has worked with the Stadium Authority to satisfy the additional spaces required by the Colts?
i'm glad the bean co. fought and won...they have a neat historic building that would have been torn down. i think it will
give a little character to the area. maybe one day it will be converted into a cool bar (a la slippery noodle). i still think
it's a shame that the stadium is tilted in it's footprint like some suburban afterthought....
Ryan, now that tilted footprint is hardly a suburban afterthought. The stadium is intentionally angled as such in order to
take advantage of the skyline view through the huge sliding gas window at the north end-zone. I really feel that, when complete,
this stadium will be one of the most distinguished in all of the country, much like Conseco Fieldhouse which still is considered
one of the very best facilities in perhaps the world.
jigga - totally agree! marshall - i agree wholeheartedly concerning the stadium. beautiful throwback design and the roof/endzones
being able to retract are awesome. i'm just concerned about going away from the traditional street grid. in essence it creates
a jewel surrounded by a sea of parking. i know they are trying to take advantage of the skyline, but wouldn't the skyline
eventually have caught up? instead of placing the stadium directly on the corner/on the streetgrid, we now have a huge parking
lot dissected into four parts. i guess the northeast section will be a plaza. but i would have much rather had a large block
to the south/southwest in which to park/tailgate. now we have roughly three odd triangular areas that just doesn't seem to
make sense. not to mention the pedestrian will have to wald across all kinds of pavement (a la the suburbs) to reach a majority
of the building...but - as a building in itself? it's going to be awesome!
Marshall, that's not really true. The stadium plan was actually rotated to avoid the Pogue's Run. The view of the skyline
was an afterthought, and some people high up liked the concept.
In the end, though, it was a cost issue. Mitigating the environmental impact of re-coursing PR was going to be incredibly
expensive.
And I disagree about the current project regarding aesthetics. I think it is terribly ugly (apologies to the architect) and
that it will be built. But it will also be a painful lost opportunity to do something important in this city.
Yeah, I don't have any problem with the design of the stadium. I can certainly understand why others do, but I think people
in other cities watching football on TV will appreciate the 'throw-back' design of it. At least you can't call it 'inappropriate'
for Indy. The OTHER rendering of this building looked sensitive to that design...I'm not sure what's up with this one, but
at only 80m in a developing area with lots of open parcels, I'm not all that worried about it (save for some concern at the
pedestrian level). Keep an eye on Penn Center. Its design looks more promising.
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If they hid the garage better and had some inviting ground-floor space, I wouldn't hate this as much.
One strange thing I see is that the upper portion appears to be 15 or 16 stories, indicating that the garage area below is 8 to 9 stories. Is that possible?
I think it will make much more of an impact if it gets built as it is further from the circle.
It surprises me that a tower that has a decent amount of flair starts out so utilitarian at the pedestrian vantage point.
I certainly understand where you are coming from; however, there are over 120,000 people that work downtown. That is a huge number for a city our size. Yes, we have a high vacancy rate, but all of the IUPUI, Lilly and Government jobs really helps.
Therefore, I think that the residential boom is just catching up to all oof the office developmment that happened in the late 1980's.
It is my understanding that the Stadium Authority needs an additional 1000 parking spaces. Is it possible that this project has worked with the Stadium Authority to satisfy the additional spaces required by the Colts?
Any thoughts?
In the end, though, it was a cost issue. Mitigating the environmental impact of re-coursing PR was going to be incredibly expensive.