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IPS should be dissolved and the schools absorbed by the surrounding township school districts. then each district can compete for the IPS money based on metrics that show improvement in testing and efficiency.
IPS needs to be shut down for the sake of the children who get an inferior education
IPS was told “setup more charter schools”, which they’ve done. The supposed enrollment loss (to me) looks like a shift to those schools.
IPS’ reward for this is not being dissolved, IPS isn’t going away. It’s that IPS loses having a board voted on by citizens and instead goes to a board of appointees, who will implement more charter schools. By historical averages, 33% of those schools will fail.
There’s a reason that the “goal” of charters has pivoted from being “better education” to “choice”. It’s because they’re not getting a better education.
I would support the IPS system being integrated into the ALL township school sytems over the charter school money grab. Note that this was a sticking point when Unigov came into being.
It was a sticking point because folks in the suburbs had no interest in a school district with … people who live in “those parts” of town. (Look at how they drew the boundaries.). You think anything has changed since 1960, and such a move wouldn’t lead to more folks deciding to cross county lines than already do?
And why exactly would township schools want to be drawn into this? What’s the benefit for them?
Here’s my “idea” – if IPS goes away, spend the money to provide transportation for kids to go to schools in the donut counties if they want. Let IPS kids attend Carmel and Center Grove and Avon, the best public schools in the area.
Here’s my “idea” – if IPS goes away, spend the money to provide transportation for kids to go to schools in the donut counties if they want. Let IPS kids attend Carmel and Center Grove and Avon, the best public schools in the area.
i think that is a great idea. or at least open it up and parents can even provide transportation.
but IPS has to be shut down. one of the worst school systems IN THE COUNTRY
Joe, if you are willing to send the IPS kids to CG and Carmel, I am assuming you would also be good sending them to Cathedral and Brebeuf, correct?
I’d be fine with it, Chuck. You not?
Perhaps its because IPS killed off the one thing that was working: the K-8 academy model. Go back and listen to the testimony at the school board meetings leading up to the vote to do so. We told you this would happen.
This is the probably the most correct answer. A lot of parents (particularly in the MK/broad ripple area) pulled kids from 5-8 grades since they would no longer be able to walk to their nearby neighborhood schools in middle school, moving them to walkable private schools.
I’m sure a lot would have left IPS for 9-12 anyway, but this expedited the exodus. The K-5 neighborhood schools are still phenomenal, but knowing that they didn’t have a nearby middle or high school that would be as good, meant they had little reason to stick with IPS.
100% – we decided to go private school starting in K because of this decision. What is the point of attending public school when I then have to drive by kid 45 minutes round trip starting in 5th grade to a worse part of town…
What were the stated reasons for killing off the academy model?
it was more because the middle school was in the same building as the high school!
6th graders in the same building as 9-12 is a bad formula and parents do not want it.
parents who care at least – which is also a large part of the problem
Joe, the arguments for any one of the Rebuilding Stronger elements were always wrapped together, so I never heard a coherent one specific to ending the K-8. This article helps: https://www.chalkbeat.org/indiana/2022/9/9/23344281/indianapolis-public-schools-standalone-middle-school-breakup-k-8/ . As I understood it, the fundamental issue is the K-8 schools, especially the choice/magnet ones, offered a lot more (like art, music, etc) than the traditional neighborhood K-5 schools and it wasn’t equitable. And they couldn’t afford to bring those programs to those traditional schools. By consolidating the middle school kids into standalone middle schools they could offer every middle schooler those offerings. But then they later announced they needed a referendum to even do that and I was never clear why they couldn’t just use that extra funding to replicate the K-8 offerings in the traditional schools. Regardless, for too many IPS kids school is the only source of stability in life. Granted many bounce from school to school as their families bounce from staying in one place to another, but for those who do stay, they had 8-9 years of teachers and staff knowing them and their needs. Shifting them to middle schools at a stage of life full of huge changes into much larger buildings where it’s harder to build relationships, and more transient, just sets kids up for failure…especially those without a stable home life (the kids who need IPS the most). And the research cited in that above article shows that. So the kids that could leave are, and the ones that are left may have more offerings, but that’s matched with more instability. We’ll see which weighs heavier on test scores in a few years. Urban education is hard everywhere. I don’t knock IPS for trying. But killing off the model that was working, rather than growing it, was a mistake.
Thank you for the time you spent on that replay and your perspective.
When schools compete, children win.
Don’t let all the evidence to the contrary change your mantra.
33% of Indianapolis charters fail.
We know what works for charter schools by this point. There are high performing charters. Why don’t we, with our tax dollars, insist on that’s how it should be done?
what percentage of IPS schools are failing if you apply the same metrics?
Willing to bet it is higher.
I don’t trust the charter school system as it currently exists in Indiana — too many cracks in the system, there’s something a little rotten about school choice, and IPS has failed miserably at its primary mission to EDUCATE children in a safe and supporting environment. That’s why parents pull their kids out, or keep their kids out. I live in the IPS district, and over the years have supported referendums that have assured us of better schools and better results, but IPS and its board has failed — quite spectacularly. They’re far too enamored with issues and initiatives outside their primary mission — education. That has opened the door to anti-urban meddling by state lawmakers who are also veering way out of their lane.
Because people do not have kids, this has zero to do with IPS-—young people don’t want to have kids; they can’t AFFORD them. Can’t blame THAT on IPS—nope. Young folks are getting dogs and cats instead. 1/3 of charter schools fail because they are essentially small, unproven STARTUPS. Most startups FAIL. So, public schools (that are adequately funded) are more cost-effective.
Wow. IBJ— you need to give John a weekly column asap