Therapists for a state service that helps infants and toddlers with special needs are worried that changes in the way the program operates could hurt the quality of care for the children in it.
The Indiana Family and Social Services Administration is in the early stages of rolling out several reforms to its First Steps program, which provides in-home speech, occupational, physical and developmental therapy to children up to age 3.
One of the key changes is requiring that all service providers be part of an agency that employs at least 12 therapists and operates out of a public location open during business hours five days per week. That would mean the roughly 1,000 therapists or very small businesses who now contract directly with the state would have to find jobs with those agencies.
And that’s raised myriad concerns. Among them is that some of the talented therapists will leave or be forced out of the field. Others worry that the agency structure will limit the time they can spend with their clients—and limit parents’ flexibility in choosing who works with their children.
“They’re adding a middle man,” said Rion Lahr, an Indianapolis speech therapist who works for the First Steps program. “With an agency it’s always the bottom line. With independent [therapists] and small companies, it’s what’s best for the child.”
But state officials, who decided on the changes last month, say a shift to an agency structure will enhance the service by improving communication between the various therapists serving a child.
They also say it will help fill a gap in the number of therapists serving children in rural and inner-city areas. Such a disparity has been created because therapists have been able to choose their own service territory. The agency also projects the changes would save $2 million a year—an important factor because the program faces a sizable deficit.
“We wanted to make sure we were living as much as we could within our means,” said Dawn Downer, First Steps’ director. “But we also wanted to make sure we had a program that provided quality services to the families we serve.”
This year, the First Steps program, which is funded by a combination of federal and state dollars, insurance and small payments from families, is aiming to cut $9 million of its $71 million budget to help head off a $15 million shortfall.
Part of the savings would come from cutting therapists’ pay rate by 5 percent.
Downer said the move to an agency model also would save money by helping the program better target its services.
Currently, parents with children in First Steps choose their therapists from a list on the program’s Web site. Some children require several types of therapy, while others may only require one.
Under the changes, families would be able to pick their initial therapist, but if their child required another type of service, the other therapist would have to work for the same agency as the first.
Having therapists from the same agency work with a child, Downer said, would allow the therapists to collaborate more. They then could better identify their clients’ needs and cut down on redundant or unnecessary treatment.
But some parents in the program say it would hamper their options.
When Becky Hufty’s now 3-year-old son, Jack, participated in First Steps, he was switched from his original occupational therapist to another who had more expertise in the type of service he needed. Jack has problems with his esophagus, brain and spine that accompanied a premature birth.
Hufty, of McCordsville, worries that parents in the program won’t have that same flexibility under the new system.
“You have so much trust in what the therapists are doing with your child,” Hufty said. “You need to have the option to choose who you’re going to work with.”
Lahr said she’s concerned that the agencies will not have enough room to absorb the 1,000 individual or small-business therapists—about 70 percent of the therapists in First Steps. Even if they do, she thinks top-notch therapists will leave the program out of frustration with the new system.
And she worries that the agency structure would limit the time she spends with her clients. Now, for instance, she’ll spend an additional 15 minutes to as much as an hour with the children if needed, but with a more structured agency system, she says she wouldn’t have that luxury.
“The children get would less service,” Lahr said.
Downer understands that therapists are concerned about the change, but she says their concerns should not take precedence over what she sees as best for children in the program.
“I hope most of these providers can also look at the greater good,” she said. “This program is very valuable to the children and families that they serve.”
Therapists’ transition to the agencies is expected to begin next month. The changes will go into effect next year.

















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And "frustrated provider" there is no way anyone is seeing 35 kids a week, unless they all live in the same apartment complex. There is a minimum of 10 mins we are required to document between visits and by the time you write your face to face sheet, load your equipment, drive, get your equipment out, change out what is needed for a different child, and go in the house, wait for them to finish feeding/diapering the child you are going to see, and actually start your session, it's at least 20 to 30 minutes, even if the child is 1/4 of a mile from the previous child. In the "underserved rural areas" it's often 30 mins, actual drive time. In 3.5 years I have had 3 times that I've actually seen every child on my caseload. I have had weeks where w/gas prices going up, and the times I have arrived at the exact appointment time, only to be told that they can't do therapy that day, or won't even answer the door, that I have actually lost money.
And whether we are agency or independent, we do not get life, health, dental, short/long term disability, retirement, vacation, paid time off for any reason, mileage, drive time, reports, phone calls, emails, trainings, etc. We get paid for the 60 minutes we are on the floor with the children.
So here's to another therapist that is currently job hunting. I may make a lot less on the hour, but in just money, I'll come out ahead. . .in satisfaction I will probably be miserable. My husband often tells me this is the only job, I can leave the house in a bad mood and come home in a great mood after seeing the progress my children have made. But since the state's bottom line is money, I will have to make that my bottom line too. And I don't make enough to put up with this much confusion, drama, and grief. BUT THANK GOD WE FOUND A WAY TO MAKE EVERYONE IN 5 COUNTIES PAY FOR THE COLT'S NEW PLAYGROUND! That is so much better for the state than getting children the start they need and deserve to help lower the amount in special ed in the public schools.
The providers recognize that budget cuts have to be made. And we proposed ways to cut the budget in ways that made sense. So, this could be a wonderful time to build unity. To make First Steps an even better program.
It's like the show Survivor--what could be a wonderful team-building experience that brings out the best in everyone, has turned into a scramble and fight for survival. It's not making the system stronger.
PLEASE EXPLAIN how having therapists work under an agency will save money. At present, there is no plan to have the agencies bill for services. If that were the case, I could at least foresee how the state could improve their bottom line. Rather than simply having a training for the providers (we all have FSCT requirements -- just make this one), teaching the importance of correct codes and paperwork, First Steps has decided to overall the entire system. I expected more from Mitch. I understand he has delegated this issue to Dawn but, obviously, he chose incorrectly in his leadership. This change will only save the state money from the 5% reduction and, perhaps, a little more money from correct billing (again, just train us, rather than the agencies).
PLEASE EXPLAIN how having us in agencies will improve communication. Most providers are going to maintain their status of contract therapist. This means we will rarely come to the office, as we will spending most of our time seeing kids. I currently communicate consistently with most of my teammates. As issues arise, we talk. I care about the children on my caseload and strongly believe team communication is important. That will not change, because I'm part of an agency. Bad therapists will remain bad therapists, as independent or agency providers.
PLEASE EXPLAIN how reducing providers' incomes by 15-20% will help to expand the areas we serve. I know of several providers who are strongly considering leaving the program, because of the pay cut and the frustration with First Steps.
As a fiscal conservative, who strongly believes in balanced budgets, I was ready for a pay cut (heck, I hadn't had a change in pay since arriving in IN 5 years ago -- can all our state workers say the same thing? I think our congress just got their annual increase...). But to be forced into an agency, have my pay significantly cut and have little to show for it in the state budget, it's just too much. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED, MITCH! I thought you were my man.
The majority of developmental therapists are not really 'qualified', and have not met the same standards or licensure qualifications with IBESPA or have a teaching license like other disciplines. Keeping that in mind, my colleagues tell me that they pick up kids who are 2 y.o. and have NEVER been seen by an actual qualified 'therapist' as of yet, only a DT, who is often unqualified. So much time has been wasted on a DT coming in and not really addressing the meaty issues that need to be addressed with these kids because the unqualifed DT has been in there doing NOTHING, and of course - who loses??? THE CHILD!!! Remember- it's not about you and your ego and your bottom line- it's about THE CHILD! What is best for THE CHILD???? Remove DT's completely, and have therapists, RD's, and Psychologists working with the child from day one and 'front load' the care with therapy for 3 years. Then, when the child goes into the school system- they have already had many of those foundational issues addresse,and the teacher and therapists can support them through the educational model more efficiently. Politics and egos need to be set aside. Yes, business is business and I understand we all have to think about our bottom line. So, if that is the case, then get rid of the DT's. Sorry, don't mean to offend. It is what it is. The state needs to be told like it is for a change and no dancing around the issues because we 'don't want to offend' the administrators or being afraid of our jobs being in jeopardy. Well, guess what?? Jobs are in jeopardy - and the CHILDREN ARE LOSING OUT! BIG TIME! Get a clue, people. Oh, and by the way, I am a therapist of 20 plus years, and working for an agency will do nothing but add to the bureacratic structure which currently frustrates us! Most independent providers are part of an informal network, so that issue takes care of itself. Most therapists of 20 plus years who are independent providers do NOT want to work for the big agencies. There is no point. Sorry. Quality is generally better when provided by Independent practitioners. I will pray for all of those kiddos who suffer from this!!
And, some of the under served areas are scary areas to work in. The areas of Indianapolis that have the highest drug and homicide rate is one of the areas. A provider was car-jacked at gun point in one of those areas.
The state has the right, per federal guidelines, to make other plans for children in those areas. If agencies force therapists to work in those areas, then who is liable if the therapists is hurt or even worse killed?
Providers have supplied some ideas for how to make these types of areas safer to work in. But, once again, the state did not listen to us.
I'm glad my FS days are over if this is the way that treatment is going to go. Kids really aren't are future anyway, right?
--Pissed parent
"Frustrated provider" fails to mention that the rate listed is being cut by 5% by the state then another 15% taken by the agency to do almost nothing for the contracted staff. As before, therapists are still required to pay 25 - 33% of their pay as taxes.
This change doesn't appear to help anyone. Please, someone show me the research/evidence that quality of services is likely to improve after changes!!!
Now you can take about 20% off that $45/hour. So am I that well paid, "frustrated provider"???
Nice try. Your strong opinion is a little too scripted to be a provider. "We need a system that is sustainable for today and tomorrow." Let's see,...hmmm...that sounds familiar,...who said that??? Shameful. Where are your ethics?
Here's a question,...In a coulple of months, just let us know if it was worth imploding an early intervention system?
The people are speaking. Listen!
Providers(professionals) have worked hard to make the system work to serve the people. There better ways to save a buck. You are out of touch and you are no provider. Learn to serve, then you can lead.
Two years later, I now have a second child in FS. Some changes were noticable right away. The most significant one being that it took me a month and a half to even get in touch with someone from FS. I was hours away from contacting the Governor's office to try to get answers. When I finally lost it and yelled at some poor woman who kept transferring me to the same full voice mail when I called each time, I finally learned that First Steps changed their phone number and not only didn't provide it to the public, but did not provide it to the people answering the phones within FSSA. THIS appears to be how they are trying to trim their budget. Apparently the fewer people that can contact them for services, the fewer services they have to provide. If they truly had children's interest in mind, they would make their services accessable. I have no idea what these changes will mean to me and my child, but I can tell you that without the services provided by First Steps, my children would face a much more difficult future.
I understand that we all have to live within our means and that budget is important. But when I look at my budget, I try to trim expenses. I don't see how forcing providers to add another middle man can help my child or others. If the concern is therapist turning in papework late, then how are they getting paid? Are they paying for work before proof of having the work done? If the concern is communication, that's a lame excuse. From my experience, the therapists I work with are very open to communciating with me as a parent, my daycare provider and anyone else I need them to communicate with.
Time to stop letting the bureaucrats make decisions they have no exepertise in. If Mitch Daniels wants to have a meeting to understand the effects on the children and families, sign me up!
I am not looking forward to paying someone to do my billing, I am quite capable.
I do feel fortunate that I have found an agency to work with that I like, but not all quality providers will be so lucky.
One point that I think needs to be made is the fact that the 0-3 population - Early intervention has been researched and proven to help children with disabilities improve before they reach preschool and kindergarten age. THIS PROGRAM HELPS TO PREVENT CHILDREN FROM NEEDING FURTHER SERVICES IN PRESCHOOL AND KINDERGARTEN AND THROUGH 12TH GRADE THAT THE STATE PAYS FOR THROUGH OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS. The state needs to look at the bigger picture of this program and the money it can save the state down the road.
The current system DOES have a system of checks and balances for current providers. The SPOE is to be providing some oversight. The Service Coordinators are to be the one who makes sure that reports get in and to report those providers who don't get them in. There are also audits--by the SPOE or by FSSA. They did not do these regularly for many years as they should have been doing. The state wasn't utilizing the checks and balances that are in place.
Also, the state does not communicate well. They do not have a training program for how to do the job--the paperwork part. There is an orientation program but it is more about the background and running of First Steps. There are some follow-up seminars that new providers have to take, but there is different information presented in those seminars. There is not consistent "how to" information on the First Steps web site, or presented in seminars. Rules are set and then published months later. Some rules have only been published once or twice in 14 years (in a quarterly publication--not in an ongoing new provider training seminar). Service Coordinators give differing information about "how to" and "have to."
When I was audited, I had documentation to prove when some rules were established, yet the state still enforced those rules on me for work done previously to the date of publication of that rule. With the state worker saying, "I make the rules. I decide when the rules apply." So, you can see, there is much confusion about rules and regulation because the state doesn't do its job.
I know of several people who have been audited and many of those audits were unfair. Even to the point of fraudulent. I proved that my audit was fraudulent, yet I was forced to settle unless I wanted to spend 10s of 1000s of dollars to fight through the court system. I decided that my life was worth more than that. The state did not involve their lawyers in the meetings regarding the audit due to the fact that I had already proven it was fraudulent. So, even if they use their checks and balances that are allowed, they are not fair--is that a true checks and balances then?
Yes, we do make a nice hourly rate. But, that is ONLY for the time spent with the child. And full time is more like 20-hours a week. One has to make time for report writing, travel time, phone calls to other therapists, cleaning toys, therapy prep, the extra time spent on emails/texts/phone calls/in the home with parents, processing paperwork, filling out change requests, scheduling, rescheduling, and a few other things we do as a professional. Also, if we don't see the child, we don't get paid. So, with no-shows and cancellations, we are out the money. AND, most of use said that we were willing to take a pay decrease, but please just let us stay independent.
I have formed a group of independent providers that meet monthly and have an email list to help each other to understand First Steps rules, regulations, change in rules and regulations, running a small business, and therapy ideas/help. We are not clueless as to how to be professional and do our job. (You are not the only one doing things right!!!)
The state is NOT utilizing all funds available as revenue with this program. Dawn Downer is not doing her job. She is a state worker and is responsible to US, the taxpayer, to be a good steward of our money. She should be utilizing all private funds available--i.e., private insurance. The state does not correctly bill insurance companies. Dawn is stating that agencies will be better at billing insurance or helping the state bill insurance. She is requiring that the agencies attend training on billing insurance. There are trainings now offered and advertised through First Steps. Well, this was NEVER done before. There was no training for independents. We as professionals knew that incorrect codes were being used. We as professionals called Service Coordinators and Physicians to get correct codes. We knew families were being incorrectly billed for services due to the state not utilizing insurance billing correctly. Dawn sent a communication to families stating that the state does not have to bill insurance. That is probably true. But, that is a cope out. She is responsible to us the providers, to the families, to the taxpayers to make this system work.
The state will not go to a "no program" status. Then Mitch Daniels would never make president--it would look too bad. But, for him to be able to say he balanced the budget--that is what is important to him. Unfortunately it is at the cost of small business and high standards that have been First Steps. I've always said, this is a good program because of the professionals out here going week after week to family's homes, not because of the state level workers.
And, this change has been handled VERY unprofessionally and even probably illegally. Dawn and the other FSSA people have forgotten that they work for us. We have voiced our opinions and our opinions have been ignored. Dawn has given untruths and half-truths to the media and to senator's offices. The state has not returned many phone calls. The state does not know the whole transition and what the program will look like, they are just piecemealing this together as they go. It is obvious as they can't answer our questions or we get several different answers to the same question.
So, yes, you are in the minority. And anyone that trusts FSSA/First Steps to make wise decisions and be fair is a fool.
Sincerely, Carol Krise.
The current program does NOT have a system of checks and balances for the 1,000+ independent contractors. There is no oversight. So yes, the new changes will provide "another layer" as someone mentioned. It will also provide much needed oversight so that ALL providers will follow proper procedures! As a provider for 10+ years, I have struggled with other providers who do not follow procedures. They never turn in reports, or their reports are ALWAYS late. Some are consistently late for appts or leave early. It puts the family/team in an awkward position because if the provider is independent, there is NO ONE who oversees their practice. Yes, there are billing and credentialing audits...but in 10+years, I have never had one. I know I'm not the only one.
Also, I find it interesting that my fellow providers are crying "foul" about the $$ situation. Really?? What is your motive? Your own interests? Where else are we going to work and make the $$ that we make now as independents?
Rates:
PT = 90.40 per hour
OT = 86.56 per hour
SLP = 77.40 per hour
DT = 62.76 per hour
As a provider working full-time, we probably bill an avg of 25-35 hrs per week. On the low end, for PT, OT, and ST billing 25 hrs/wk, that means we are billing at least $100,000 per year. It is not reasonable to think that we would ever make that in another setting (hospital, rehab, nursing home, etc.). The gravy train is over people, get over it. Stop using families and children as your scape goat.
The bottom line as I understand it is that the state must balance the budget for First Steps. If not, the program is in jeopardy and NO services will be available for families! Early Intervention (Part C) is NOT a requirement for the state. States can "opt-in" or "opt-out". Then, if the state opts in, there are certain federal/OSEP requirements the state must meet.
Our provider community needs to realize that our administration is working toward a system of accountability and fiscal responsibility. We need a system that is sustainable for today and tomorrow. I really wish my fellow providers would stop worrying about their own interests and consider the alternative - NO program!
p.s. I know I am the minority amongst my peers, so I chose to not disclose my name. However, check the facts, they are real.
After the first of the year, the state will be wondering why they don't have enough qualified therapists to take care of all of the children that qualify.
The state needs to get their head out of their butt and problem solve better!
I'll be the first to say "I told you so" in a couple of months when the system is completely messed up because of the states uneducated decisions.
And the GOP and Mitch is suppose to be in favor of small business creation -- Unless there is a company that gives money to the GOP then he is Anti-small business. Goes to show that the GOP talks one thing but in reality is all about money in someone else's pocket - NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE.
WHAT MORE PROBLEMS CAN THERE BE COMING FROM THIS POSTER CHILD OF MITCH'S FAILED PROJECTS AND PERSONAL KICKBACKS
IME TO THOW MITCH AND THE GOP OUT
So, are the state workers who pretend to run First Steps also going to take a 5% pay cut on December 1st?
Really, Dawn Downer? We should trust you? Remind us, what is your degree in? What experience do you have with early childhood? What kind of therapy degree do you have? What school did you go to get your teaching/therapy/early childhood degree?
Yep, I thought so...Aren't you an AVIATION ENGINEER? How does that relate?
Nope, I don't trust you. My concerns are very warranted when someone like you is leading the way.
FSSA should be a sore spot for the gov't and gov'ner.
There's nothing like having a bunch of suits (ties cut off oxygen to the brain) walk in with nice, glossy reports & plans, then screwing the pooch.
I've said before and I'll say it again:
"it ain't that tough"
I'm rather enamored of Jim Collin's "From Good to Great". ca. 41, he mentions, "find the right people on the bus, then determine what seats they belong in."
In Indiana, it means finding someone with "10 years of this, 4 years of that, this that and the other thing." Or in terms of human languages, you can spend a long, long time for someone who has had ten years of Catalan when you can get someone who has two years of Latin, 4 years of Spanish, 3 years of Spanish.
IOW, you have to find people who can shift gears and pick up what's going on without a lot of misfires.
It's not that hard.
What's funny (in a bad way) is incomplete software was installed IN 1/3 OF THE OFFICES OF THE STATE. Is that supposed to make someone feel like the entire project is 1/3 of the way done?
It just isn't that hard.
Maybe he needs to privatize it from day zero...and keep people who don't rely upon glossy reports to stay off the bus.
Get an audience with the Gov'r, people of different levels of FSSA, (workers) people in the field, recipients from various parts of the state, people who have an easy time handling what they have to deal with the status quo, some of the people who absolutely would do anything to make it work.
Lots of questions to/from, lots of notes, etc. etc etc.
The state is giving lip service to the real needs of these kids and sacrificing quality for saving money. If the state was really concerned about improving communication, they would reimburse providers for inter-provider communication and it would happen. Since when does adding a middle man improve quality and communication? Seriously?
If the state listened to anyone before they enacted this, it was the owners of the new agencies...they will make a killer profit now.
Sure, the state will be able to lay off some of their accounting staff and pay a fewer # of providers for first steps services, but the agencies will have to hire accountants on their side and pass along the expenses. This is cost shifting 101...at the sacrifice of the kids.