Gun bill raises concerns for CIB properties

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The group that runs the city’s professional sports facilities is concerned that state legislation would allow Hoosiers with gun permits to carry their weapons into its venues.

Senate Bill 292, introduced by Sen. Jim Tomes, R-Wadesville, passed on a 38-12 vote Monday and has advanced to the Indiana House of Representatives. Rep. Mike Speedy, R-Indianapolis, has signed on as a House sponsor. Both chambers are controlled by Republicans.

With the exception of schools, courts and law-enforcement offices, the bill would trump local rules that prohibit licensed gun owners from carrying their weapons on municipally owned property.

For the Capital Improvement Board of Marion County, which operates Lucas Oil Stadium, Conseco Fieldhouse and Victory Field, as well as the Indiana Convention Center, the proposal presents huge concerns.

Foremost is the impact the bill could have on the city’s hosting of the Super Bowl in 2012.

Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay sent a tweet on social media site Twitter late last week opposing the gun bill.

“Someones got a bill n Ind.State Legislature making it illegal 4 CIB 2 stop some1 from bringing a gun into Luc Oil,I’m against it,so should u,” Irsay said in the tweet.

CIB currently regulates firearms at all of its facilities, said its attorney, Toby McClamroch.

McClamroch is lobbying lawmakers to exempt CIB buildings from the legislation, but his efforts so far are “not getting much support,” he said at a CIB meeting on Monday.

“That worries me a lot,” CIB member Douglas Brown said. “We could sit around for hours and come up with scenarios where we’d be in a bad place.”

But Speedy, who thinks the bill has wide support in the House, argued the state legislation would help to streamline a “patchwork” of local laws.

“If you’re a law-abiding citizen and you’re properly permitted, you should have the right to carry,” Speedy said.

He and other supporters maintain the legislation won’t affect the Super Bowl or any other sporting event. That’s because, by purchasing a ticket, the spectator accepts the agreement and rules of the ticket seller, which in the case of the Super Bowl would be the National Football League. Its rules prohibit firearms in stadiums.

Still, a lot of uncertainty surrounds the bill. As it’s currently written, the legislation doesn’t contain language that addresses contracts or agreements with municipal corporations.

“But if it takes an amendment,” Speedy said, “there will be an amendment.”

CIB members also expressed reservations about conventions held at the newly expanded convention center, since attendees to those events usually don’t need tickets to enter.

The Indianapolis Convention & Visitors Association, which markets the convention center to trade groups and associations, declined to comment on the bill.

CIB member David Shane was more outspoken in his opposition to the bill.

“Help me understand why in the world we would want to create a situation where we couldn’t control the access or the ability to bring firearms into conventions,” he said at the Monday meeting. “Why would we want to have anything but the ability to control this.”

The potential for higher insurance and security costs is worrisome to the CIB as well.

If passed, the bill would take effect July 1.


  • 14 admendment rights
    we the people have the right to protest peasefully. the right of the 14th admendment can swill be used.
  • 14 admendment rights
    we the people have the right to protest peasefully. the right of the 14th admendment can swill be used.
  • actually..
    Actually, the Earps HAD bans on all gun carry in Tomestone, at the time of the OK incident. They were actually business rivals of the Clantons. They owned competing casinos and brothels. So some have argued that they were abusing their offices. The west was mot that wild, 3 dead in a shoot out was national news. Not very wild
  • Why do the gun fanatics push the envelope?
    Gee if someone had a gun they could have prevented those events don't you think? You anti-gun people drive me nuts. Banks don't allow guns, but yet they still get robbed at gunpoint. It would be nice if I was able to carry my gun, since I'm liscensed, into a bank to protect myself or whoever else.
  • Thanks
    Thanks IndyPaul for clarifying.
  • Door
    Do not let the door hit you on your way out.
  • I disagree
    Lawyer Larry, If a private event chooses to restrict firearms, the ticket holder to the event agrees to those terms in order to gain access to the event. SB 292 does NOT affect this type of contractual agreement. SB 292 simply prevents local municipalities from enacting firearm regulations that are more restrictive than state law. This means a municipality can't require a ban on firearms from municipally-owned properties like the Colts Stadium. SB 292 allows private event holders to make the decision about what they want to restrict. Therefore, for example, the Colts can restrict firearms from the Colts Stadium and an NRA event renting municipally-owned property could allow firearms. Simply put, the law eliminates the requirement that municipally-owned properties BAN firearms altogether.
  • Does this mean . . .
    Gilbert Arenas to the Pacers??
  • Why do the gun fanatics push the envelope?
    Then gun club will keep pushing all limits until there is one columbine/giffords event that will break them. This latest bill is absurd.
    • See Ya!
      Sounds like Mr. Taggartt should leave the state if he hates it so much.
    • Why stay here - move
      Anyone doing any buiness in the State of Hate (Indiana) should pack up and leave immediatly in light of the nut casees who have somehow managed to infiltrate politics here. I know I will and encourage Mr. Irsay to do likewise.
      • Calm Down
        After reading some of the comments posted here, you would think the legislators were attempting to pass a bill that provides a license to kill. The vast majority of gun-owners are responsible citizens. Properly permitted citizens can already legally carry firearms at 95% of all other public venues. I don't suddenly breathe a sigh of relief when I walk through the door at Lucas Oil or a government building because I feel safe from a lunatic with a gun(e.g. Post-Office).
      • Idiocracy
        This is just another ridiculous law to take our minds off the fact that they are not working on the economy or creating jobs.

        Has anyone seen the terrible movie Idiocracy. I feel that we are trending this way.
      • Chill Out
        Everyone needs to relax. If the media would not concentrate their efforts on the shootings and cncentrate more on the issue of people slipping in their tubs and getting either killed or seriously injured then we all would be outlawing bath tubs. The only reason all of you are scared is because of what the media and the movie industry has inbeded in your minds.
      • To Rational Thought
        Then you better go home, and stay home because if everyone who are legally licensed and carry legal weapons were to all openly carry one day, you would be amazed how many there are.
      • General Assembly Has Power

        You're wrong. States have powers to pass laws that trump private business rights and override any contractual agreements. The General Assembly can pass a law allowing firearms in Lucas Oil Stadium, even during the Superbowl if they want.
      • gun law
        hey ripp these are LEGAL gun owners.simple fix if you have a gun on you entering an event show your permit if you dont have one welcome to marion county hotel. Real brilliant yeah indiana a discrase get real thank you indiana lawmakers for showing the nit wits of this state that you are watching out for all our rights
      • Moot Issue
        Events at Lucas Oil Stadium or even movie theaters require tickets. Tickets are binding contracts. (Read the back of your ticket sometime for the lawyer-speak.) Lucas Oil Stadium has the right to state that guns are not allowed in the stadium on the ticket. I am for gun rights. This bill allows you to carry a weapon in public places such as libraries or parks. Case closed. There won't be any guns at Conseco or Lucas Oil. Let the bill pass.
      • Moot Issue
        Events at Lucas Oil Stadium or even movie theaters require tickets. Tickets are binding contracts. (Read the back of your ticket sometime for the lawyer-speak.) Lucas Oil Stadium has the right to state that guns are not allowed in the stadium on the ticket. I am for gun rights. This bill allows you to carry a weapon in public places such as libraries or parks. Case closed. There won't be any guns at Conseco or Lucas Oil. Let the bill pass.
      • Cancel the Super Bowl
        Good. With any kind of luck the NFL will cancel plans for a Super Bowl in Indy for fear that the gun-loving lunatics of Indiana will shoot a few players during the game. This state is an embarrassment to America.
        • Chilling
          This is particularly chilling in light of the fact that Chris Paulsen, one of the owners of the International Motorsports Industry Show held at the Indiana Convention Center, was arrested last year for bringing a loaded semiautomatic weapon into the Indianapolis airport.
        • Logic?
          So. Trying to follow this logic.... Because only "thugs" currently break the law by carrying guns where they aren't allowed, we should change the law so everyone can legally carry? Only "thugs" sell drugs and kill people, should we make those legal, too? And, PS, the "nanny state" is the reason there is even a stadium in the first place. FYI.
        • Republican Loonies
          Why do these gun lunatics think they need to carry weapons every place they go? They are only creating a fertile ground for trouble. A lot ot the folks who carry guns now are none too stable and with a little liquor in them I can see them to start blazing away. I remember a little dustup between the Pacers and Pistons in Auburn Hills, MI. If there had been guns present, I sure there would have been some fatalities.
        • And then there is this....
          And this bill is not the most outrageous that our elected officials are considering. HB 1546 would allow a person to carry a handgun on or about the person's body without being licensed to carry a handgun including in a vehicle.

          I saw this movie already - its called "Gunfight at the O.K. Corral".
        • The South
          Ban this. Ban that. BUT, let's allow people to carry guns to rock/rap concerts and football games.

          Why are we adopting the attitudes and customs of Mississippi and Alabama?
        • wrong
          There is no law about drinking and carrying. You can debate whether it's a good idea, I guess, but it's not illegal.
        • going backwards
          Hope all of you who elected these good ole' republicans are happy. you got exactly what you deserve. let's become a non-progressive state and continue to roll back to the good ole' days. we don't live in a period where guns are needed to hunt food any more. no citizen needs to wear a gun in a city. if we do, it's because our gun laws are too lax that we have to defend ourselves against all the bad people that have them and if that's the case, tighten our gun laws. it's feeling a lot like the good ole' south and/or the wild west. why not start flying the confederate flag? who in the hell are these legislaters from these small rural areas that spend time on legislation like this? my God. with all of the issues we have to tackle and solve why would anybody spend time on crap like this?
        • Thank You Bush for HR 218
          Ever see a Police Officer the Common defense that gets to carry his or Her Arms when ever where ever Like a Court house as everyone els is being disarmed! Even thought the historical facts say They May not carry as a inforcement of Law for it was viewed as a act of Intimidation By the defense you was paying taxes to protect you! Here is Why Congress shall pAss no law to Abridge & Shall Not be infringed, and Another one US tilte 42 usc section 1983 Thank You Bush for HR 218.

          Other Note: Benjamin franklin created 1st police force, Note Taxes was to be completely voluntary the Matter of Home stead, the States only had the right to force a sales Tax to pay for said Common defense to help protect you, The federal Systems was voluntary and only forceable if a war was being fought on us soil upheld by Congress the voice of we the people, If you did not pay any sales Taxes you could not call on the help of the Paid Common defense!

          Jesse Your right on Any private owner has a right to ban firearms on their property. However, Lucas Oil Stadium and the other properties are not private. These properties are run by the government. When you ask the tax payers to foot the bill for your huge stadiums, you give your right to basic Constitutional rights!

          Ms B thanks
        • alcohol and guns don't mix
          Bubba. Same law applies. You can't carry a gun while drinking. If you are too drunk to drive, you are too drunk to carry. No one is trying to change that. I carry, I go to NFL games, but I don't drink. Your argument holds no weight. People carry all over Indiana. Last time I checked, alcohol is served in many places all over the state.
        • Compromise agreed
          Rational Thought. In my opinion, any company/owner/building/government/entity that removes my right to carry a gun should provide a "check point". (Maybe K-12 schools could and should be excluded). As it stands right now, I can't carry a gun at schools, banks, casinos, and government buildings. Are you telling me that crime ceases to exist in and around these places? No. I should have the right to carry up to and once leaving these places.
          Bank - most banks have armed guards already. Make an area where the guard checks your permit and "checks" your gun. Is it feasible I might be coming or leaving a bank with large sums of money and might need the use of my firearm in transit? Sure, bank get robbed all the time.
          Now, lets bring this full circle...Lucas Oil Stadium. Make there 4 main doors for firearm "check points" (much like Victory Field only allows coolers through the outfield gates). You can have off-duty police who check my permit and my firearm. Then, I could be safe coming and leaving an event. Problem solved.
        • guns first
          Unbelievable...now we want people to be able to carry a firearm into a crowded public arena (where alchohol is being served), but you still can't buy beer or wine on Sunday for use while watching the game in your own home, trying to avoid the attendees carrying firearms.
          • Who's concerned?
            It'll pass and it'll be a good thing. If you're worried about the honest folk I don't see how you can leave your house without quaking with fear of what "might" happen.

            Fact is there are hundreds of thousands of honest Hoosiers, plus out of state visitors with carry permits for their home states, legally carrying a concealed firearm on a daily basis.

            Including to all the places you're espousing fear they'll show up....
          • C'est la vie
            Football fan. Great, your tickets can be used by someone else. It is simple supply and demand. They supply will now go up (With your tickets on the free market) and so price will go down. (I hope you understand my sarcasm). Lucas Oil has no security in place now to keep me from bringing my gun. Don't think that (private citizen) guns have never been in Lucas Oil Stadium. Besides, if you don't trust that only rational permit-carrying citizens will have guns in Lucas Oil, why do you ever leave the house? Do your kids leave the house now? You do realize that non-rational, non-permit carrying citizens have guns right outside your doors. Lets focus on those people and stop getting in the way of my rights.
          • Gun Carry
            I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.
            • Not Surprised
              Anyone who really looked at the candidates for political office in Indiana last November
              should not be surprised. I was concerned then that many of them were downright scary, and this makes me think that my perceptions were on target. It's very disheartening.
            • Indiana legislature
              Harrison Uhlmann, you were so right. Nothing has changed.
            • Would feel safer!
              Currently what is keeping the "bad guys" from sneaking a firearm into Lucas Oil?? Currently If a "bad guy", who is inherently a rule breaker, wanted to sneak a firearm into the stadium, they could do it. Having been to a Colts game many times, upon arrival outside the stadium the men fly through their line (no pat down, no metal detector), then wait for their women to pass through the huge line because they have to have their purses inspected. Once you're past that "security" checkpoint, you walk through the front door, have the $6 an hour employee scan your ticket and you're in. If someone's intention was to cause harm by use of a firearm, maybe they'd think twice about it not knowing how many of the 63,000 fans were also carrying. It's not the law abiding, legally permitted citizen that causes the issue, but they can sure prevent them. That said, I feel the owners of the establishment should have authority to make their own rules regarding admission. Since Marion & surrounding counties subsidize Lucas Oil, it's we the people and our elected officals who get to make that decision.
            • How about a compromise
              As someone who believes that carrying their gun (even with a permit) should not be allowed when there is no logical reason (i.e., major events in public-owned venues where security is provided and visible), how about we address the issue? If all of the reasons listed (so far) are concerns for safety to and from the event, why not have the host provide a secure location to store a person's gun when the event attendee arrives, and then they can pick it up when they leave (coat check, with the necessary security.) This would be cheaper to implement than the lack of attendance (due to safety concerns), increased insurance costs, and the "unsafe perception" surrounding an event that could have an unlimited number of gun-carrying attendees. If you think you need to carry a gun while at a public event, then that's part of the problem. This approach allows gun owners (with carry permits) an option to carry to and from, but not be carrying during.
              Remember that each individual's rights should always be considered with regard to the greater good. If I knew that I would be attending a public event at a convention center (car show, comic convention, wedding convention) and knew that anyone with a gun permit could be carrying, I simply would not attend.
              As others have said, qualifying for a gun permit does not ensure that a person should be able to carry one.
              I will be watching who votes for this bill, and will vote accordingly (against) anyone who votes for it in the next election...
              • Licensed Craziness

                The Arizona lunatic that killed 6 people had a license.
              • Doesn't Matter
                People are already carrying and he thugs don't really care about the law.
              • Good job Sen. Jim Tomes, R-Wadesville
                So the truth of the NFL Colts Lucs oil Stinking stadium is owned impart by we the people from the Tax hikes Passed afew years back for the over use of Nationalism as the Stinking colts an the NFl makes millions as much of its product support the fans buy is made in a over seas market that is American Jobs to support a so called all american Sport comes to light!

                Priceless---I say let them carry shall not be infringed, Its we the people owned---that would mean it would be Unconstitutional for the elected and or Appointed leadership of said common defense to restrain such rights, I say repeal the Tax hikes--that helped pay for the building of and the after the fact Maintaining of!

                As it is I have no respect for the NFL and or the colts i don';t watch the Sport anyway

                Great post i needed the Laugh. It made my Day

                Good Job Sen. Jim Tomes, R-Wadesville.

                Lawsuit Filed Against Post Office Gun Ban google it!
              • Bruised Ego
                Oh yeah, my ego may not recover from this....

                I'm tired of the democrat entitlement crowd asking the government to outlaw this and not allow that.

                It is my strong belief that the majority of people in this state are perfectly capable of making decisions for themselves.

                It's all of these people who want the government more involved in telling everyone what they can or can't do that is, MY BIG ISSUE!

                Apology accepted, my ego will be fine. :)
              • guns are not safe
                If everyone who attended a sporting event or other large gathering were emotionally stable, then maybe this law makes sense. However, that is not realistic. If this "insane" law passes, it will be safer to stay home than to attend a game. I won't put my safety in the hands of others with guns.
              • Courage?
                That's now the American definition of "courage"? The right to carry a gun to a football game? That explains so much...
                How does this create jobs? I'm unclear on that part....

                And to "what?" thank you for falling for my straw man. You just focus on the fact that I bruised your ego by insulting men and forget all about the larger issues.
                • INSANE!
                  The General Assembly has lost its collective mind!
                • Oh nevermind
                  Let's just allow kids to carry guns into the stadium, too, so they can exercise their Constitutional Right.
                • This is a public building, not a private owner
                  What? You just proved your ignorance on this subject. Any private owner has a right to ban firearms on their property. However, Lucas Oil Stadium and the other properties are not private. These properties are run by the government. When you ask the tax payers to foot the bill for your huge stadiums, you give your right to basic Constitutional rights.

                  Downtown Worker. There are many reasons for a person to carry a gun to an event. First, parking is limited. Some people have to walk long distances to park. Some of these parking spots aren't always in the best parts of town. Also, it has been widely documented the amount of crime that happens during these events (parking scams, cars broken into...). Is it so far fetched that I could go to a game and catch someone breaking into my car when I return? What if there are multiple people breaking into my car? Sure, I will call the police and get them in route. However, the police will take 3-5 minutes to get there. Will I need my gun in that time? I certainly have the right have my gun if needed.
                  • Reply
                    Are you telling me that everyone that enters Lucas Oil Stadium carrying will be a rational, permit-carrying, law abiding citizen? I don't know about you, but I won't be taking my kids to any more games if this passes!!!
                    • Great Bill!!!
                      The people shooting up downtown are not law-abiding citizens. Criminals don't follow gun laws. I should be able to protect myself if one of these idiots wants to harm me or my family. This isn't debatable, it is a Constitutional Right.
                      When is the last time someone with a gun permit shot up a crowd? Never.
                      Also, are you telling me that no one leaving an event at Lucas Oil, the Convention center, or Conseco has even been harmed? No. People leaving these events deserve the right to defend themselves.
                      • Free Man = Moron
                        If this is an issue of freedom, where does my freedom go to attend a public event and not worry wether the guy next to me put his gun on safety or if he is emotionally stable enough to watch a sporting event and keep his cool. People already break out into arguements. By granting you the luxury of carrying your unecessary toy around, I am restricted on a basic life need and something that should be provided to all citizens.
                      • Crazy
                        Have Indiana's legislators lost their minds? The citizens of Indiana--D or R, liberal or conservative--agree that what the state needs is jobs creation, education improvements and a close look at spending. Yet what are we getting from the legislators? More guns, more pregnancies, more bigotry. When the Chamber of Commerce and the CIB line up to oppose what Republican legislators are proposing, Republicans need to re-assess their priorities. Every nut with an ax to grind shouldn't get a hearing when Hoosiers have real problems to address.
                      • Oops I forgot to add...
                        No gays or lesbians
                        No immigrants
                        No gun restrictions
                        No public education
                        Poor people required to have babies (healthy or not)
                      • Reply
                        The immigrants in question are felons. It's not against immigrants. It's against felon outlaw immigrants here illegally.

                        They have proven they are fine with breaking felony laws by coming here illegally. Why should we, or Arizona, not uphold the law???
                      • IN Legislature needs IQ test
                        So - with an increase in city shootings - we want to make it easier to carry a gun everywhere, including huge public events - when we already know that our permit process allows virtually anyone who applies to carry. And with every state fighting to obtain and keep businesses and jobs - we pass discriminatory bills against gays and Latinos. Not only are these actions unncessary and highly problematic - but take away the time and focus from real and urgent issues that need to be addressed. Ah - maybe that is the real point. Our legislature doesn't have the brain power and/or creativity to perform their essential job functions, so are bored and finding other ways to spend their time and our $$.
                      • Are women perfect?
                        Free man, just for clarification, are you one of the drunken MEN at these professional sporting events?

                        Just to clarify my position, I'm 100% with you on this.

                        However, I believe it should be the right of the owner of any building to deny the posession of a firearm within their establishment. I don't think our gvmt should dictate whether you have to allow or cannot allow people to carry fire arms.

                        Also for clarification, I don't see why anyone needs to carry a gun into a sporting event. I just want it to be decided by the people for the people. Not by government dictation!
                        • Out of Control
                          This GOP legislature is completely out of control. Gay marriage ammendments, arizona style immigration law, and now this? These morons are trying to take Indiana back to 1911.
                        • Chalk One Up for Freedom
                          Thank you, Mr. Speedy and Mr. Tomes for having the courage to stand up for freedom and ignoring the fear-mongering of those who falsely believe that government can and should protect us from ourselves by way of taking away are rights and freedom.

                          The nanny-state supporters claimed that when the assault weapons ban expired all hell would break loose...nothing happened. They claimed that when states passed concealed carry laws citizens would rampage on each other...violent crime declined.

                          Now, they are claiming that the Super Bowl will be a blood bath if law abiding citizens have a right inside the building that they already have standing outside on the street.

                          Please keep fighting to get us our rights back one issue at a time.
                          • Wow
                            What a dumb law. If we're all allowed to carry firearms if properly licensed, how about letting us carry them into courts and legislative offices. We have permits you know! You politicians are cowards!
                          • Enough!
                            Are we insane?!?! What benefit does this provide. The only arguement ever presented for any gun legislation is that it is the 2nd ammendment...not good enough for me. If even one person is injured or dies because some idiot got upset and didn't know how to handle it then that is it. I am not willing to sacrifice safety for someone's toy. Having thousands of people around me with guns doesn't make me feel safe. I just can't believe this. Why? Why? Why? If this is the case, then why can't we take explosives on an airplane? Some people feel safe because of them, let it ride! You guys are a joke. Anyone for this bill will not win if it passes, you will only become a larger target for stereotyping than you already are. Just step back and realize what a joke this is. The problem is that it isn't even funny. Just a disgrace!
                          • Gun Bill
                            For what reason would someone need to have firearms at an event. We (the public) should feel safe when attending events in our city.
                          • What about libraries
                            The CIB isn't the only public building affected. What about Libraries? You want guns there? Really?
                          • Farewell
                            No gays or lesbians
                            No immigrants
                            No gun restrictions
                            No convention business.
                            No more F500 corporate HQ's.

                            Say goodbye as Indiana quietly fades from the national scene.

                            Go, GOP!!
                            • Are women perfect?
                              Are the only people at professional sporting events drunk MEN? Just for clarification, does that mean there are no sober men at these functions? Or that there are no drunk women? Or is it just men who carry guns? Do no women get licensced to carry guns?

                              Or are you just saying that women are more responsible?

                              I'm just looking for clarification.
                            • A banner day
                              It's a banner day in Indiana! Stripping funding from women's health care facilities, making sure drunk men at sporting events have deadly firearms, the state government busting unions. Maybe NOW Indiana voters will finally see that a vote for a Republican is a vote against both your economic interests and your basic well-being. Good luck!

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