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Mass-transit measure passes key House hurdle

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A bill that could allow central Indiana counties to create a mass-transit system cleared the House Ways and Means Committee on Wednesday afternoon on a 20-2 vote.

The bill would allow local voters to decide whether to add 0.3 percent to local income tax rates to pay for the proposed $1.3 billion system, which would offer twice the current level of bus service, a rail line from Noblesville to downtown Indianapolis and several bus-rapid transit lines. It also would create a nine-county transit district.

The earliest possible date for ballot issues in Marion and Hamilton counties would be the 2014 general election. An amendment introduced Wednesday makes the referendum advisory-only, meaning local governments would have to sign off as well.

The two "no" votes came from Republican Reps. Eric Turner and Jeff Thompson, who want voteres to weigh in on a township-by-township basis, rather than a county-wide referendum.

Turner said his rural Hamilton County constituents, who are less likely to use the system, deserve a chance to opt out of paying for it.

Thompson, who represents Brownsburg and rural parts of Hendricks County, argued that it could give transit advocates a chance to add the more suburban parts of Hendricks County to the system sooner. The plan currently doesn't include Hendricks County.

Ways and Means Chairman Tim Brown opted not to take a vote on the township-by-township amendment, giving transit advocates more time to consider the idea.

The House Roads and Transportation Committee advanced the measure last month.

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  • Come on, Joe.
    Actually its up 26% so that means the two people I see riding the bus have some part time help. Well worth 1.3 billion, and you know that's just the estimate. Nobody wants to ride public transportation because its like hanging out at the license branch.
  • Those Allowed to Vote
    I think that those who would be paying the increased income taxes should be the only ones allowed to vote on increasing our taxes. I know this will never happen but I'm tired of people who have no "skin in the game" being allowed to vote to increase my taxes. I feel the same way about property taxes. Only property owners should be allowed to vote on issues that would increase our taxes. As the old saying goes, the government who robs Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.
  • Facts
    The current bill would only authorize a referendum for Marion and Hamilton Counties. Marion can vote yes and move forward w/o Hamilton, but not the other way around. Further, only a county that votes yes would be taxed and the level of service within that county would correlate. Further, Indygo has seen a 24% increase in ridership since 2009 and nearly surpassed the 10,000,000 trip mark last year. That is 10,000,000 vehicle trips not in your way. This system is about necessary service, the bill would allow expansions o improve the existing service and create choices for others in the community. If you don't believe that people deserve the freedom of choice, then vote no.
  • what my taxes should provide
    Already Broke, Would you prefer to channel your tax dollars to Police and Prisons rather than local mass transit ? Perhaps I misunderstand.
  • Income tax too high already
    I already pay enough taxes. No one wants to go downtown and get shot by the gangbangers anyway. Let's vote on a billion bucks a year in more cops and prisons instead.
    • Bus Rapid Transit
      Bus Rapid Transit is an alternative to light rail with many of the same benefits at a much lower cost. The plan calls for bus rapid transit OR light rail on multiple routes including Noblesville to downtown.
    • Oh Brandon.
      Its all been done before why don't you learn.http://www.american-rails.com/indiana-interurbans.html
    • Yes
      Transit in the form of rail will bring visitors and residents. Learn about rail before you speak about it.
    • Vote No!
      Nick, no body in fishers or Carmel wants to ride a train to downtown Indianapolis. case closed. Ben, the nine counties that surround Marion county are the one that would pay, just like the restaurant tax. The people who will benefit from this will be engineers, construction companies, law firms, politicians, little you and me will be stuck with the bill.
    • Opt out?
      "Turner said his rural Hamilton County constituents, who are less likely to use the system, deserve a chance to opt out of paying for it." Can we apply this same logic to road building in the region? I would like to opt out of paying for building and maintaining roads in rural Hamilton County because I never use the system. This is only fair, right?
    • What are the 9 counties if Hendricks is not included?
      First, what other county that does not touch Marion is part of this plan? Secondly, why the hell would Hendricks not be included? The growth in that county is among the highest in Central Indiana. Absolutely absurd!
    • Away
      I think the rail portion of this is a long, long way down the road.
    • Please Vote Yes
      Please vote yes. IndyGo has not increased ridership in the last four years because it is a decrepit system that stops and slowly lowers its customers to the curb. If people on Keystone, up in Fishers, and near the airport saw a train fly by without stopping but 7 to 8 times in 30 miles of track, it would be a boone to intercity economic and environmental development. People don't enjoy buses. They like riding on rails. A train possibly powered by Indiana's biofuels would see ten times the traffic that IndyGo supplies. It's time to take on Progressive policies that create jobs and increase lines of communication and transportation while improving the environment. Next stop, highspeed rail to Chicago. It would be nice to see Indiana take the lead on the federal highspeed rail initiative. We are falling behind the infrastructure gains in the East. All of our rail projects, as evidenced by this week's earlier article, support MIDWEST jobs. Vote Yes!
    • Just say no.
      Don't let them do it. Indy go hasn't gained in ridership in 4 decades. This is just about the money. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Public_Transportation_Corporation#History

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    1. liek the rest of America

    2. These quaint,obsessed musings by the stalkers are certainly entertaining, but I'm trying to figure out what, if anything, all the yelping below has to do with Zak Brown.

    3. It's evident that Moffett was pushing the right buttons and corporate America is now trying to squash him. He just wanted to withdraw the free pilot services provided to the company by the pilots to try and put some pressure on a company that has not been interested in negotiating a contract in over 5 years. The company does not provide a contract because not having one has saved them a bundle of money. Shame on any Republic pilots not standing behind their union leader just because things are getting tough, can you not see such strategic moves by the company as putting the last union president in a corporate position and into THEIR pocket. Do you really believe the last union president is so appalled at the attempts by Moffett, do you not remember his oppositions to the company? We stood behind him. It has been proven over and over again for thousands of years without fail, a man cannot serve two masters. Anyone that believes people vote contrary to their paycheck and livelihood deserve to be taken advantage of, the recent statements by the former union president are laughable as he denounces the current union president from his new corporate position. Have you ever seen a drafted sports player score points for his previous team, it cannot be done, he is not on the pilots side anymore, he gets his money a different way now than you and I do, and he should not be allowed to remain on the seniority list. A drafted player brings strength, credibility, tactical knowledge, and a strategic advantage to his NEW team, he would not be drafted or paid were it otherwise. We are all forced to choose only one side to play for and support, not doing so has many references in life such as insider trading and shaving points, all illegal for good reason. This basic fact is why corporate moguls, scientist, and engineers all sign non-discloser agreements and non-compete clauses, as protection in case they are lured into switching sides as our former union president has done. No NFL coach ever drafted a player so that both teams could benefit and better understand each other, they are recruited to win the game against that former team, period. Likewise the company does not recruit the former union president by accident or mutual understanding, its strategy. Don't confuse playing the game with good sportsman-like conduct in support of common business and prosperity goals, with the requirement to only play for one side. Good men we all love and favor fall subject to this manipulation, often without their knowledge, and it is not a betrayal of their friendship to oppose them when they switch sides. If we did not love and trust them, they would not have been chosen and lured to the other side in the first place. The deception by the drafted player is not made at a conscious level, it's just human nature and it's all about money and power which corrupts our ability to be objective and loyal to two masters. This is why our court system created the defense attorney, and why our military created counter intelligence. Its strategy and its propaganda, and it works, and that's why the "powers to be" manipulate the chess pieces by sometimes changing their colors. Some players know they are being manipulated when their color is changed, but it brings them more money and power so they do not care. The rest have good intentions but do not even realize they are being manipulated. This tactic is also known by another name, Divide and Conquer. In battle sending an imperfect message with an imperfect team is obviously not ideal, but it's still being sent by YOUR team, your union leader, a leader that has common goals and common rewards with you, they are the best, because we have elected them to do a job for us. If you are not backing Moffett but believing the spin by those that have recently switched sides, you are taking food out of your own mouth. Showing unity and backing an imperfect situation still results in taking just as much ground, it's about unity and bargaining power. It's not necessary to wait around for that perfect attack because it will never come, the company will spin and attempt to destroy anyone that gets in their way. Ultimately it's not about any specific attack anyway, ASAP or whatever it makes no difference, it is and always has been only about power. If this company cared about safety it would not build pairings with 8 hour overnights, come on, are you that naive? Besides, do you really think Hoffa cares, no, he got a call from corporate America and was squeezed into denouncing Moffett. If he didn't they would spin the safety card against him and the Teamsters National with implication for truckers, future contracts, insurance rates etc...saying something like the Teamsters use safety as a bargaining chip, blah blah blah... Do you really think any pilot is going to do something unsafe for the contract, absolutely not, the only ones threatening safety here is the company with reduced rest, fatigue, and poverty. Do you not find it odd that Hoffa and the Teamsters are opposing a Teamster president publicly? Would the Teamsters National not normally support and work with one of their own? Why did they not sit down and help him strategize, correct any mistakes, and charge ahead? Would the Teamsters National not normally support and leverage a contract for all those pilots that have been paying Teamster dues, isn't that why we have all been paying Teamster dues in the first place? I sure haven't been paying dues so that the Teamsters National could come along and write this kind of an article undercutting our union leader and our unity. Whose side is the Teamsters National really on, it's obviously not the Republic pilots side.

    4. No matter what Moffatt does the company is going to spin it like he is the terrorist and brainwash people like you into believing it, wake up, back your players that are trying to change things for you and your livelihood. Where has Hoffa been for the last 6 years, except collecting our dues. Seriously, do you really think an FO going for upgrade, signed off by a checkairman ready for the upgrade, who then fails, is not even capable of returning as a First Officer.

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