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Utility exec: Coal-gas plant's 'time has passed'

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A utility executive told a legislative committee Tuesday that a drop in natural gas prices as a result of the nation's shale-gas boom have made a proposed southern Indiana coal-gasification plant a project "whose time has passed."

Jerry Ulrey, Vectren Corp.'s vice president for regulatory affairs, also told the House Ways and Means Committee that the utility estimates the proposed plant would lose more than $800 million over its first eight years in operation given current natural gas price projections.

He testified as the panel considered a bill exempting large industrial customers from rate hikes resulting from a state-negotiated gas supply deal for the plant proposed near the Ohio River town of Rockport. The Senate passed the bill earlier this month.

Ulrey told the committee that excluding large industrial customers from sharing in the plant's production costs could end up doubling the rate increases for some of Vectren's 760,000 residential and small business customers in Indiana.

Mike Roeder, Vectren's vice president of government affairs and corporate communications, told the Evansville Courier & Press before the hearing that such an exemption would "pick customer classes that win and lose."

In November, the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission approved a 30-year contract under which Indiana would become the primary buyer of the synthetic natural gas developer Leucadia Corp.'s Rockport plant would produce.

Indiana's natural gas-supply deal calls for the plant's gas to be bought for a fixed price and the Indiana Finance Authority to resell it to consumers through utilities, guaranteeing the plant's developers a customer.

Vectren contends that under that 30-year contract, the gas price has some room to increase over time, but would start at about $6 per million BTU. Right now, that much natural gas sells for $3. Estimates are wide-ranging, but Vectren officials believe the price will stay low because natural gas is being extracted from shale deposits by a booming industry.

Vectren said its customers could end up paying more for their gas because the state would buy the Rockport plant's synthetic gas no matter whether it's cheaper or more expensive than the market rate for natural gas.

"All we're saying is, the world's changed because of shale," Roeder said.

Gov. Mitch Daniels has said the deal would lock in low rates for Indiana's natural gas users and would help economically depressed southwestern Indiana.

Mark Lubbers, a former Daniels aide who is an Indiana consultant for Leucadia, said large industrial customers are able to buy from diverse sources, which enables them to hedge against price changes.

He told the Ways and Means committee Tuesday that the Rockport project would do the same for other natural gas customers since the coal that will be bought for the plant historically has had more stable prices.

"It is still the smart play to diversify your supply portfolio," Lubbers said. "Today you are 100 percent at risk to market prices."

Rockport developer William Rosenberg said the facts Vectren laid out were all in front of the IURC when it unanimously approved the Rockport plant in November.

He said the plant owned by New York-based Leucadia would have a strong incentive to beat the market rate. The contract guarantees that over the 30-year life of the deal, and it will save consumers $100 million, Rosenberg said.

"The one thing that's certain is that gas prices are uncertain. Gas prices over the last five, 10 years have ranged from $3 to $13," he said. "It's in the interest of the ratepayer to have a diversification of supply."

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  • Again Mitch give to business and takes from workers.

    Another case of special rules for Mitch's business supporters. First the income tax break, the the property tax break, then gutting school funding so business doesn't need to contribute, killing union rules, and now they get free gas that I have to pay for. I guess Mitch is left to create work house of Hoosiers for businesses, remove holidays, bring back the 16 hour work shifts and company stores. Mitch does have a love business over Hoosiers. Would you like your roads sold to his supporters?
  • Natural Gas is One of the Answers
    Peter Drucker once wrote that the successful in life go through the doors that open, and avoid the ones that are closed. He pointed to the Middle Ages and the Jesuits as one example of this constant review and act approach. There is nothing wrong with deciding coal gasification is wrong. What is wrong is that if we dont recognize the door that opened: Natural gas. This nation has an abundant supply of natural gas (it literally bubbles out of parts of Florida). Thus from what angle can Indiana be a natural gas player? Honda once made a car that ran on natural gas? Do we get behind that sort of effort? Any ideas how we play the natural gas game from a state perspective?
  • Rate Increase 300%
    Consumers have the right to go ballistic if forced to pay 2x - 3x more to pay for this ill-conceived, costly project.
  • IBM
    Sounds like another IBM boom or BUST theory.
  • Mitch
    Thanks Mitch. I am sure your buddies still got funded from this.

    I keep saying, we can't solve our energy issues by creating more elaborate and expensive systems. We need to consume less.
  • Socialism for Big Business
    Love it.
  • Much Too Funny
    We can't make it work. I know, we will tell the public that the technology is no longer cost effective. Thank God the Wright Brothers kept trying.

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  1. liek the rest of America

  2. These quaint,obsessed musings by the stalkers are certainly entertaining, but I'm trying to figure out what, if anything, all the yelping below has to do with Zak Brown.

  3. It's evident that Moffett was pushing the right buttons and corporate America is now trying to squash him. He just wanted to withdraw the free pilot services provided to the company by the pilots to try and put some pressure on a company that has not been interested in negotiating a contract in over 5 years. The company does not provide a contract because not having one has saved them a bundle of money. Shame on any Republic pilots not standing behind their union leader just because things are getting tough, can you not see such strategic moves by the company as putting the last union president in a corporate position and into THEIR pocket. Do you really believe the last union president is so appalled at the attempts by Moffett, do you not remember his oppositions to the company? We stood behind him. It has been proven over and over again for thousands of years without fail, a man cannot serve two masters. Anyone that believes people vote contrary to their paycheck and livelihood deserve to be taken advantage of, the recent statements by the former union president are laughable as he denounces the current union president from his new corporate position. Have you ever seen a drafted sports player score points for his previous team, it cannot be done, he is not on the pilots side anymore, he gets his money a different way now than you and I do, and he should not be allowed to remain on the seniority list. A drafted player brings strength, credibility, tactical knowledge, and a strategic advantage to his NEW team, he would not be drafted or paid were it otherwise. We are all forced to choose only one side to play for and support, not doing so has many references in life such as insider trading and shaving points, all illegal for good reason. This basic fact is why corporate moguls, scientist, and engineers all sign non-discloser agreements and non-compete clauses, as protection in case they are lured into switching sides as our former union president has done. No NFL coach ever drafted a player so that both teams could benefit and better understand each other, they are recruited to win the game against that former team, period. Likewise the company does not recruit the former union president by accident or mutual understanding, its strategy. Don't confuse playing the game with good sportsman-like conduct in support of common business and prosperity goals, with the requirement to only play for one side. Good men we all love and favor fall subject to this manipulation, often without their knowledge, and it is not a betrayal of their friendship to oppose them when they switch sides. If we did not love and trust them, they would not have been chosen and lured to the other side in the first place. The deception by the drafted player is not made at a conscious level, it's just human nature and it's all about money and power which corrupts our ability to be objective and loyal to two masters. This is why our court system created the defense attorney, and why our military created counter intelligence. Its strategy and its propaganda, and it works, and that's why the "powers to be" manipulate the chess pieces by sometimes changing their colors. Some players know they are being manipulated when their color is changed, but it brings them more money and power so they do not care. The rest have good intentions but do not even realize they are being manipulated. This tactic is also known by another name, Divide and Conquer. In battle sending an imperfect message with an imperfect team is obviously not ideal, but it's still being sent by YOUR team, your union leader, a leader that has common goals and common rewards with you, they are the best, because we have elected them to do a job for us. If you are not backing Moffett but believing the spin by those that have recently switched sides, you are taking food out of your own mouth. Showing unity and backing an imperfect situation still results in taking just as much ground, it's about unity and bargaining power. It's not necessary to wait around for that perfect attack because it will never come, the company will spin and attempt to destroy anyone that gets in their way. Ultimately it's not about any specific attack anyway, ASAP or whatever it makes no difference, it is and always has been only about power. If this company cared about safety it would not build pairings with 8 hour overnights, come on, are you that naive? Besides, do you really think Hoffa cares, no, he got a call from corporate America and was squeezed into denouncing Moffett. If he didn't they would spin the safety card against him and the Teamsters National with implication for truckers, future contracts, insurance rates etc...saying something like the Teamsters use safety as a bargaining chip, blah blah blah... Do you really think any pilot is going to do something unsafe for the contract, absolutely not, the only ones threatening safety here is the company with reduced rest, fatigue, and poverty. Do you not find it odd that Hoffa and the Teamsters are opposing a Teamster president publicly? Would the Teamsters National not normally support and work with one of their own? Why did they not sit down and help him strategize, correct any mistakes, and charge ahead? Would the Teamsters National not normally support and leverage a contract for all those pilots that have been paying Teamster dues, isn't that why we have all been paying Teamster dues in the first place? I sure haven't been paying dues so that the Teamsters National could come along and write this kind of an article undercutting our union leader and our unity. Whose side is the Teamsters National really on, it's obviously not the Republic pilots side.

  4. No matter what Moffatt does the company is going to spin it like he is the terrorist and brainwash people like you into believing it, wake up, back your players that are trying to change things for you and your livelihood. Where has Hoffa been for the last 6 years, except collecting our dues. Seriously, do you really think an FO going for upgrade, signed off by a checkairman ready for the upgrade, who then fails, is not even capable of returning as a First Officer.

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