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Bill advances to set 40 as Indiana's alcohol ID age

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Store clerks would no longer be required to check the identification of those who appear older than 40 when buying alcohol under a revision to state law endorsed Wednesday by an Indiana House committee.

The bill would change a much-ridiculed law that took effect last summer requiring everyone — regardless of age — to be carded for carryout alcohol.

The House public policy committee voted 12-0 to advance the bill to the full House for consideration after amending what had originally been a bill to completely repeal the law.

Bill sponsor Rep. Greg Steuerwald, R-Danville, said it was a "commonsense" revision. Under the new version, clerks could face a misdemeanor charge if they don't check the IDs of anyone who "reasonably appears to be less than 40 years of age."

Rep. Scott Pelath, D-Michigan City, said legislators made a mistake with the ID law, which has faced complaints about people in their 70s and 80s being carded in liquor stores.

"We need to admit it frankly and undo it," he said.

Liquor store representatives have supported the stricter ID law, saying it wasn't that inconvenient and that it had led to a drastic drop in attempts by minors to buy alcohol because they know they'll be carded.

John Livengood, president of the Indiana Association of Beverage Retailers, said the 40-year limit was a decent compromise but that there was some support for raising that to 50.

"The important thing for us as retailers is to make sure that our clerks do ask for the ID," Livengood said. "If you give them the ability to make a discretionary call, then unfortunately they stop carding when they should."

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  • MYOB
    I am an older woman and definitely look over 40. It's none of my waiter's business how old I am so don't require me to show him.
  • It is a big deal
    Now this idiotic law is spreading to restaurants. I had left my wallet in the car and tried to order a beer (I am 64 years old) and the restaurant would not serve me. This is pure big brotherism. When I worked in a bar, if there was any doubt in my mind that someone was not at least 21, I carded them. When they were older they were flattered, but when you are a senior citizen it is beyond ridiculous.
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  • It About time
    To get carded every time by the same person thats just Bull, I am over 35 & look every bit of it plus! As it is I think its about time such over bearing laws change. So long as I am paying for it why should I have to show my ID every time I walk into the same store to by my goods and am so sevred by the same people every time I buy I mean come on. many of these laws as such are because of the college kids that are under 21 that have caused a problem in the community, for crying out loud the legal voting age is 18, the forced selective service sign up is 18 at 18 your old enough to fight and die for the rights to be free. give it a break! Over sea in Nations Like Germany the legal drinking age is 16.
  • makes sense
    I so appreciate revising what was a "loophole" in thinking with the past bill. Keep the age at 40. I would enjoy a compliment now and then!
  • Little things eventually add up to a big thing
    It's a good common sense change. The state shouldn't have any more power than it needs to enforce its laws. It's not whining to expect government to limit itself to the minimum amount of intrusion into its citizens' lives. If anyone can think of a legitimate reason why the state should require a 60-yr. old man to produce ID to purchase alcohol, I'm all ears. When people stand idly by and allow the state to have powers it doesn't need because it's not "too inconvenient," there is authority creep. We don't need any more of that.

    Every time we cede power to the state, we re-norm what people expect the state to be able to do and not do. Several of the comments on here are proof of that. It used to be a common notion in America that an American didn't need to prove his/her identity unless it was necessary. Land of the free...
    • It is not stupid
      I have no problem showing my ID...I'm 56. I have been told that I look about 40, so I wonder if I will get carded under the new law. I certainly look old enough to buy alcohol. The law is not stupid...the law was smart...it took discretion out of the hands of the clerk, which is the only way the law is going to work....card everyone, or you only card whoever the clerk wants to card. People who work in liquor stores don't make much money, and to ask them to use their discretion is to have no law at all in some cases. People need to get over themselves, sorry "big deal", you are not as important as you think you are...you are one of about 260,000,000 Americans, and one of just billions on the planet...that should tell you just how insignificant you really are, you are a pimple on the planet's rear end and that is all. I want a law that will keep some kid that was as crazy as Big deal and I were at 16, and even at 21, from buying his own booze and getting behind the wheel of a car and killing someone, and I don't care if the law we are talking about pisses off some 70 year old grandma legislator or Mr. Big Deal, who are so important that they can't be "inconvenenced". And I am tired of spineless law makers bowing to the whims of some grumpy old biddy who happens to be in the statehouse who thought it was stupid that she had to show an ID to buy 12 cases of wine. For once, show some spine legislators...I will show my ID anytime just so "Big Deal" and every Grumpy old AARP member in the state have to show theirs. Now, let's all have a beer
    • lazy....
      When I buy alcohol, I am going to have to get my wallet and get money from it anyways, it takes 3 seconds to show my idea. There is not a vested right to buy alcohol because you look old. I personally believe the age limit should lowered, but it still requires ID's. Maybe you should step back and try to understand how little inconvenience it is for you versus the positives it may provide. Try to grow up and act your age!
    • big deal
      Hey Joe; let me try to explain it to you. First, it is a completely stupid law; second, it is a completely stupid law. If you can not tell just by looking at me that I am over 21, the legal age to buy this product, you are the one who should be inconvenienced ... not me.
    • big deal?
      It isn't that hard to show ID and it helps provide consistancy. I don't understand the big deal to show ID?

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