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Approval of the vaccine is the equivalent of Sony coming out with a new VHS machine. The Virus (now Delta) is beyond this now approved vaccine, it was made for the original strain which is virtually eradicated now. It will only enhance your chances of getting sick because it will now help spread the Delta Variant through your system. Facts. Science.
RR there are a lot of stupid statements on the internet, yours ranks in the top 1%.
RR… winner of the dumbest comment on the thread even if future comments appear 🙄
I’m certain the two of your are experts on mRNA vaccines and how they work. The Pfizer trial and now full approval is based solely on its mRNA vaccine attenuating the first strain, not Delta. My analogy may be off; however, it doesn’t change the fact that the virus has mutated. The FDA has said it is not effective against Delta.
Among the speakers were several known anti-vaccine doctors, including Dr. Christina Parks — a Ph.D. who pushes debunked theories about vaccines causing autism and the benefits of hydroxichlorquine; Dr. James Neuenschwander — who was disciplined in 2015 by the state medical board for negligence; and Dr. Moehanid Talia — who accused Dr. Anthony Fauci of funding and profiting from the spread of outbreaks dating back to the early 2000s.
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/michigan/2021/08/20/hearing-over-michigan-bill-to-ban-vaccine-mask-mandates-filled-with-misinformation-conspiracy-theories-outright-lies/
I get the resistance to the vaccine based on the Tuskegee experiment, though.
There is literally nothing you can tell vaccine holdouts. Even if you implement restrictions like vaccine passports, most will lie and fake the paper. They think they’ll be fine, let them find out the hard way. More vaccines for the rest of us to get boosters, I guess.
I know that the current vaccines will not work as well on the newer variants so I wonder how difficult it is to change them to be more effective? With the flu shot every year it’s hit or miss on it’s effectiveness because they have to guess a year in advance on what will hit us and it doesn’t prevent you from getting, but still is good for keeping the severity down or from dying. Maybe that’s good enough with these shots as well. I would think with approval that they can vary them to keep up with variants without having to get an approval every time they change the formulation? I don’t know of course. Just throwing it out there for discussion.
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Jeff, vaccines are doing their job as far dramatically reducing the rate of infection, severe illness, hospitalization, placement in the ICU, intubation, and death from COVID. I guess you can argue other than that, they’re a total failure since they don’t prevent infection in 100% of patients.
A magic bullet that prevents all illness would be lovely but is not what was promised, and a vaccine that delivers on the above would be adequate for getting out out of the current situation … if there was sufficient uptake.
If you look at the states with the lowest number of cases, they’re also on the high end when it comes to percentage of their citizens that are vaccinated. The states with less people vaccinated are the ones with the highest number of cases. I somehow doubt this is an accident.
Joe B good points. I guess my comments or questions are more to remind everyone like you say they are not magic bullets, but are effective at keeping hospitalizations and death low for vaccinated people. Maybe part of the problem was the initial efficacy numbers which made it sound like they would prevent infection in almost everyone. I don’t see that as being oversold because at the time that’s what they did and no-one knew how long the first set of shots would last. We learn, things change and we adjust. So be it. It’s still our best defense even if no longer perfect.
I’ve decided to accept that some people will, for reasons other than medical inability to be vaccinated, refuse the vaccine. But fair being fair, if you do so you should agree to not be taken to a hospital, not take up a bed, in general medical, a COVID ward, or in ICU, not be put on a ventilator, and that no one will worry about you or mourn your passing if it comes to that. You want to be the iconoclast who bravely follows a fool’s dogma, have at it. You and God, if you believe in God and the afterlife, can sort it out between you…
Get off the forum Tim – what a terrible take
Tim…so by that rational, we should segregate and not admit/treat all overweight or obese people, smokers, etc. because heart disease, diabetes, cancer are way, way more fatal than Covid. I am delighted to see you on the attack, simply means you have no logical argument left. To be fair…I will pray for you!
Tim S was a little harsh, but I am for insurance companies charging extra premiums for unvaccinated people and NOT waving deductibles if you are unvaccinated. Choices have consequences and you should have to take personal responsibility for those choices.
The current battle cry is “Give me the freedom to destroy the public health of the country with no consequences”.
Actually the insurance industry DOES currently charge more for coverage if you fall into one of those categories, especially smoking. I agree with Tim as well about forgoing treatment if you refuse the vaccine. People with serious medical conditions, heart attacks, strokes…etcs…., are being turned away from hospitals, because they are full of Covid patients and have not available beds, a very high percentage of which didn’t get vaccinated. If I were to have a cardiac today, there is a real risk I may otherwise die from an event that has a high chance of survival, but due to people not getting vaccinated and clogging up the hospitals, the chance of survival may very well go to zero.
This quote maybe inspired Tim’s comments…
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Only a single unvaccinated person interviewed by The Post said the FDA approval had changed his mind—but he’s not eligible to get vaccinated until November, because he received Regeneron’s monoclonal antibody treatment for a recent coronavirus infection.
“I can’t get it for 90 days according to my doctor ’cause of the antibodies I got now from the corona,” said Cliff Barnett, 67, of Mobile, Ala., who was hospitalized for five days earlier this month.
Barnett said he did not regret waiting to get vaccinated, despite a case of coronavirus that was so severe he collapsed to the floor when he first walked into the hospital two weeks ago. “It could’ve been worse,” he said.
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So you contract the coronavirus, you get a bad enough case you can’t even walk into the hospital, they had to pump you full of antibodies for you to make it, and your response to the entire affair is “it could have been worse” and you still think it was the right decision to not get vaccinated?
All three COVID-19 vaccines available in the U.S. are highly effective against the virus in terms of reducing rates of infection, serious illness requiring emergency room or hospital care, and risk of dying. This is also true for the Delta-variant. The Delta-variant’s true danger is its enhanced ability to spread quickly. For every person infected with the initial, or Alpha, COVID virus, 2-3 others would become infected (R0, or R “naught’ = 2-3). With the Delta-variant that number is 8-9. With three rounds of transmission, one person will infect over 700 others. The apparent decreased effectiveness of the vaccines is due to declining levels of antibodies over time, something characteristic of all vaccines and all antibodies. This is the rationale for booster doses. Vaccines can be highly efficacious for individuals, along with basic public health safety measures (masking, distancing, hand washing), but a strategy of vaccination for a population can only be successful if as many individuals as possible get vaccinated and practice such measures to reduce the amount of virus in the community and its transmission. The decision not to get vaccinated is not exclusively an individual one. It directly affects everyone. The virus will not be crushed unless everyone does their part to eradicate the virus. The safety of schools, nursing homes, businesses, hospitals, houses of worship, and extended families depend on the selfless, patriotic, and responsible decisions of all. Those frustrated by masking, social restrictions, economic interruptions, and disruption of normal life have the power to help break this cycle by getting vaccinated and supporting common sense public health measures to suppress and hopefully eliminate the virus. Although vaccination may be a personal decision, it is a duty to the common good. One’s liberties should not threaten the rights of others.
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Deaths reported to VAERS from Covid Vaccines combine for more deaths than all vaccines in past 30 years combined. IQVIA – Independent Clinical Trial Company. Conveniently omitted from your CDC webpages and other Government sources and databases. Tuskegee on a grander scale? Who knows!
Deaths reported to VAERS are not deaths proven to come from vaccines.
But you know that if you’ve done more than 25 seconds of research form any reputable sources.
I’m waiting for the airline industry as a whole to mandate vaccines in order to fly, either domestically or internationally. Granted there will still be hold outs and statements of “Who cares….I never fly anyway!!”….but it would make it infinitely easier for those of us that have been fully vaccinated to get back to some sense of normal. The cruise lines are all ready doing this it’s just a matter of time until rail and airliners do it as well.
but it’s starting to look like the vaccine I took back in early April is not very good after six months so what good is “fully vaccinated” if your shot has worn off? Am I any better off than an unvaccinated person after so many months?
Yes, you are better off. The protection decreases but doesn’t disappear, and even the “breakthrough” cases in vaccinated folks are far less likely to result in hospitalization and death. And your booster in a couple months will “top off” your protection.
Definitely best to get the vaccine but the FDA approved a vaccine Comirnaty that has yet to be distributed in the U.S. the pfizer vaccine remains EUA not FDA approved.