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A developer wants to make use of the underutilized building and some old non progressive backward thinking Hoosiers want to halt the growth of downtown Indy. No wonder places like Nashville and Columbus Ohio surpassed Indy. Will Indy ever grow vertical and stop with this nonsense of preserving old buildings that aren’t being used.
Well, it could be argued they are ahead of us because they preserved their history and embrace it while Indy bulldozed the majority of it in the 80s & 90s…
Also, you are looking too far for a comparison. Cincinnati is the largest closest similar city to us and it currently just blowing us away in most regards… :/
James, have you ever even been to Cincinnati? I can think of NO way that Cinci is “blowing” us away… none.
That said, i think the IHPC is way to self-important for their own good. They are old fashioned and entirely too conservative and have way too much influence on development in this city. They are holding us back.
Gee, Kev, you would think Colombus & Nashville lack historic preservation laws or zoning. Oh, wait, they have both! Neither of the cities you seem to be so enamored with approve every development proposed, nor do they just lay down and let developers have their way. They have laws and they enforce them. Indianapolis will do just fine enforcing its own laws. You will find the developers simply have to alter their proposal to meet the requirements of the law. It happens all the time. If you are really so worried about this one development being sent back to the drawing board, you can always move.
I don’t think the height is that big of a deal, and the arched windows are great nod to the historic building below, but I will have to say the diagonal arrangement of the windows is jarring with such a traditional material and the arched windows. If the windows were in a more formal arrangement, or the material was something like stainless steel, you might get this to fly. I applaud the vision and I hope IHPC will to, but sometimes feedback can be important.
James M., in what way(s) is Cincy “just blowing us away”? I certainly don’t feel it when I go there.
Well, they have a much more interconnected downtown (minus the failed streetcar that politicians ruined), they have all 5 forms of art that are thriving (we have 3), they have more fortune 500 companies per capita than anywhere else in the country aside from Minneapolis.
The city is healthier than us, its population is growing faster than us, their downtown is packed with people on the weekends, Indy struggles outside of major events, etc.
I love Indy, and I love how much it has grown in the last decade, but Cincy & Indy are on the almost identically same path but Cincy is about 5 years ahead of us…
James, a more “interconnected downtown”? I travel quite a bit and as much as I think Indy could do better, I’ve come across few cities with a more walkable, accessible downtown area.
And pardon my ignorance, but what, exactly, are the “5 forms of art” of which we have only 3? Google fails me on this one…
James, you may want to double-check your statistics on population growth. Pretty sure the Indy MSA has been growing faster than Cincy since the turn of the century, if not sooner. I definitely haven’t ever felt Cincy blowing away Indy at anything whenever I’ve visited, unless something radical has changed since I left the Midwest 3 years ago. Their natural landscape blows Indy’s out of the water, but there isn’t anything Indy can do to fix that.
I love it.
Thank God Antoni Gaudi did not have to get approval from the Barcelona HPC.
Kevin – I didn’t see anything in the proposal or in the commission’s discussion that even hints at halting the growth of Downtown. What I do see are lots of comments about making this building blend more with the historic district. Right now the design is somewhat jarring an shouts “look at me.” It’s crying out for attention. OK in a non-historic setting…but not here.
Go back and look at the rendering – specifically at the tall, former bank building to the left. No need to duplicate its design, but something more appealing is needed. The real travesty is the parking structure next door.
Not a single one of them said they want to stop development; they want to stop the creation of an ugly addition that adds nothing to the character of the area. It’s possible to add an attractive addition. This design isn’t it.
The “historic character” of the area was lost when two whole blocks were bulldozed for Circle Center Mall and more were demolished for big, ugly parking garages.
I thought in past years they were against developers trying to make new buildings look like old buildings? I personally love this design instead of just another boring plain box. And just because one person on the board doesnt like the height then everyone should have to also not like the height?
Oh thank goodness. As I said before, it looks like it was designed by a 2nd year architectural student.
With that said, I have my suspicions that developers often present the worst they possibly can the first time around, so that in subsequent redesigns they can get exactly what they want. Sometimes, “that’s so much better” is easier than “that’s really good”. The result is that you end up with “OK” architecture, instead of good architecture. Just a hypothesis.
For once I have to agree with the IHPC. The aesthetics as seen in the rendering are indeed “brutal” (i.e., as ugly as the Minton-Capehart federal building). There is nothing compelling about the addition as shown atop of the 1870s era opera house to make me say “remarkable” as a compliment. Instead of going modern, the architect would be wiser to approach the addition with a sleek but symmetrical style that keeps the design elements and facade color similar to and consistent with the historic base. Doing so would evoke a “well done” salute from this observer.
Let building incite wonder and celebrate possibility – then call it architecture. I say, “Build it”.
Heaven forfend that a building should be designed to say “Look at me!” Thank God we have the IHPC to committee-design anything outstanding down to some lowest common denominator. And by the way, the Minton Capehart Federal Building is a masterpiece, akin to the Barton Tower, which was ruined with IHPC support.
The Minton-Capehart is a nicely designed building, but it is as much of a “masterpiece” as my uncle’s paintings, which are lovely, but no grand master’s work. That said the Mineton-Capehart building blows this proposed hunk of junk out of the water. Thank God, as weak as its laws may be, Indy at least has some zoning and historic preservation standards. The IHPC has saved what little bit of Indy’s attractive architectural heritage remains.
I’d rather they replace the parking garage next door with this design and leave the Morrison Opera building as-is.