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I would struggle to support another single site TIF and public financing, to support another hotel downtown. Much as I struggled to support to 421 N Penn project that Mr. Bodner references above.
The sepia hue on the rendering doesn’t make this look hostoric:) This is so tacky & ugly. I mean really? A building on stilts!
Agreed! The rendering is really ugly.
Its a commendable use for what might become a derelict or poorly used property. The downtown is slipping a bit since its mini renaissance of the mid to late nineties through the mid 2000s. New uses and viable uses have to be considered. This is a very good design thoughtfully layered into the existing vernacular of the surrounding buildings.
I FEAR INDY lacks the vision to progress into a truly beautiful city.Way too many people fight development here and stuck on this barn yard hinkle field house look. I would love to see a more sophisticated modern style building. Indy has way too many old looking buildings and it just make the city look bland and sterile.The Hilton Signa proposal on pan am plaza has a modern glass sleek look that you see in most cities that’s redeveloping their downtown skylines. Indy should look at whats going on in Nashville, they have about 30 cranes up in downtown alone. Indy use to be the 12th largest city in the nation and now we have slipped to 16th. when a survey was conducted most people said one reason Indy gets called flyover country is because it simply doesn’t look appealing and our skyline made us look underdeveloped.People just aren’t that impressed with our architecture. please Indy lets build a more modern city and leave the old barnyard hoosier look in the past.
Totally agree Kevin. Unrelated – I hope he goes after 21c 🙂
Indianapolis has way too many “old looking buildings?” Compared to New York, Chicago, LA, or even Cincinnati? The only things which Indy has way too many of is parking lots located where buildings once stood–things are improving, but the downtown, especially on the edges, looked bombed out for decades. Also,Indianapolis has a good amount of modern “glass and steel” buildings from mid-rise to “skyscraper,” especially when compared to similar cities.
Nashville is okay (but it is certainly better known for its music scene than its pretty ordinary skyline). And, yes, it currently has a lot of mid-rise development. But, Nashville will also only have three buildings over 500 feet after the Four Seasons finishes construction in a couple of years whereas Indianapolis reached that threshold back in 1990. As for population growth, Indianapolis’s population expanded significantly in 1970 due to Unigov, not because hundreds of thousands of people suddenly moved to the city—for many decades before Unigov, it ranked somewhere between the 23-26 largest city in the U.S. And, yes, after its Unigov bump, it is now being passed mostly by much faster growing cities out West or in the South, which simply follows national population growth trends. Recent population estimates also say Columbus, OH is now slightly bigger, and it like Indianapolis, acquired most of its growth through aggressive annexation.
In any event, NONE of the population growth, or lack of it, has ANYTHING to do with the city’s architecture–people move to a city because of job opportunities, cost of living, and overall quality of life (arts, entertainment, recreation, good schools, etc.) NOT because of what the skyline looks like. Whatever survey you claim to have read, if it exists, is so much horse manure, as there is much well-documented evidence about the real reasons why people choose to locate in a city.
Finally, Hinkle Fieldhouse looks like it does because it was built in 1928 when that sort of stripped down Art Deco style was popular for sports arenas–you can see many other similar buildings across the country. It is also not located anywhere near downtown, so it has zero influence on the skyline’s appearance.
It’s a strange looking building with those triple height windows scattered about. It doesn’t seem to me to respect the architecture of the Morrison Opera Place. I always wonder if the architects deliberately push the envelope in the initial proposal so that after the smoke settles, they can revise the plans to what they actually would have done in the first place absent the review process.
I find the design of this building intriguing. It’s different… I don’t know that that’s necessarily a bad thing, it’s just different. I do agree that it could tie into the massing and general aesthetic of the opera house. They tried to pay homage to the design with the arched windows, but missed the mark a bit. Adding a cornice and more detail around the podium level to get it there.
The overly large arched window references feel counter-intuitive to the usual approach of a heavier base with lighter topping elements, and come off as a bit kitschy. Othewise a fairly striking design. But please drop the ridiculous pretense of ‘historical reference’ and hold IHPC to it’s own edict of ‘design for it’s own time’. Nothing at all wrong with combining existing historical with modern so long as a clear demarcation is provided, nicely done here with the horizontal separation. What I would fear most is the usual developer trick of selling one design to the city for approval, then paring it back to meet profit-driven motives, pleading ‘unforeseen economic circumstances’ (Ugh, and shame on you, Flaherty). Perhaps some disincentives for this practice could be built-in to any agreement.
This is a complete mess. The design isn’t functional as a hotel, office, condo, bar or restaurants as proposed. Second floor hotel lobby? Third floor meeting space? Fourth floor bar? Random office space on fifth floor. Hotels and condos on six through twenty six floors?
Not sure what your day job is Dennis, but I would not give it up to become a designer. The new Hyatt hotel across from Bankers Life Fieldhouse has its lobby and registration desk on the second floor. Meetings rooms and bars can be on any floor provided there is easy and quick access to them via escalators and/or elevators. As for hotel rooms and condos in the new tower, visit the Conrad where the hotel rooms occupy most of the tower with condos on the upper floors, or the new Omni in Louisville which has the same.
Dennis, do you actually think a developer who has decades of experience building commercial buildings would incur many millions of dollars of expense building a building he could not lease because it was not functional?
I have personally stayed in hotels that have lobbies located on an upper-floor, and it is very common to have meeting space on upper-floors in hotels (have you ever been to a convention?). As for the bar, it will be on the top floor of the existing low-rise building, which makes perfect sense, and again, it is very common for hotel bars to be located on upper floors. As for the hotel rooms on the lower floors with condos above it, this is how numerous combo hotel-residential buildings are built. Hotel rooms are put on the lower levels with condos or apartments above them to take advantage of the better views from the upper floors. You need to get out more and see the rest of the world.
I think this rendering makes this building looks distinctive and different from anything else downtown and is a nice way to add some height and reuse to the existing building. IHPC consistently votes against anything that tries “to look historic” so this is a win/win as it is a nice update with modern flair.
The approach to historic design reference into new construction is a scheme that most cities are using in the development of downtown. Indianapolis needs to stay away from Glass and Mirror and Steel because of the reflection facts from our positions of the Sun…. This can be very damaging to surrounding buildings. Brick and Mortar is a must….
The design on the upper floors is really flawed though….
Limestone, Brick and Sculptures Limestone is a better way to go to address design referencing…. Keep the historic feel….
Look at that horrible garage to the North….. Refacade that mess…..