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Looks to be a great plan! It also addresses that awful turn at Real Street/96th street.
On October 7, representatives of Buckingham met with the Nora Northside Community Council. The council voted 10 – 0 (with one abstention) to overwhelmingly OBJECT to the rezoning proposal.
The reasons against their proposal can be summarized as follows:
1) The DENSITY proposed (410 total units averaging 17 units per acre) far exceeds the recommendations made just 2 years ago by the Marion County Land Use Commission of 10 units per acre.
2) This same Land use commission also recommended that 50% of the land should remain green space. Buckingham is only committing to about 11%.
3) The DENSITY proposed (17 units per acre) far exceeds the Sherwood Forest neighborhood that surrounds it. Sherwood Forest consists of 182 homes averaging close to 2 units per acre.
4) The already CONGESTED TRAFFIC on Real Street will increase to unacceptable levels. Sending rush hour traffic from the neighboring office buildings directly through the middle of this new neighborhood makes no sense at all.
5) Vehicles who will want to avoid the new Real Street bottleneck in the NEW neighborhood, will find an alternate route through the existing Sherwood Forest neighborhood. This will cause additional and dangerous traffic through a quiet neighborhood that boasts many walkers – including children and pets.
Typical NIMBY nonsense.
I so agree with Mike K. We are loosing trees at a phenomenal rate so that companies can make money. There are alot of us who don’t want to live in the country but would like the feel of country. Instead most housing communities have MOST OF TREES CUT DOWN AND HOUSES SMUSHED TOGETHER SO THE home builder can make more money!
The density (not caps) is fine. Indianapolis actually is a city. The density is in a small area, not the entire township. The density equates to a more efficient use of available land.
Projections for massive traffic impacts, congestion, and danger is but a red herring. Should this be the case, then produce the appropriate traffic analysis findings.
The lack of density in Sherwood Forest represent an inefficient use of land; however, it will not change and will remain available for the enjoyment of residents. Given the lack of density in Sherwood Forest, the overall density and circulation for the subject area reflects a well planned community of diverse housing types accommodating myriad housing needs and desires in a conscientious manner.
But how do you feel about density?
Density = Congestion. Congestion is not a good thing and neither is density. Broad Ripple has been pretty much been destroyed by people who think more congestion is a good thing.
Fitting more housing units in an acre does not really mean it is a better use of land. Yes Indianapolis is a big city but if you have lived in a highly condensed city like NY, LA or Seattle then you know you don’t need to fill every acre with as many houses as possible. There is no reason to fill every vacant space.
It sounds like Mike K. needs to move out to the country and cornfields. I agree about the density issue but like others stated this is a city, correct? Saving space, mixing in actual parks, and pushing for public transit is the end goal. With the current housing shortage going on I seriously doubt this project will blocked.
I agree, obviously the developer would not invest as far as he/she has unless they feel confident that this has a chance to pass. Near north side vote/ opinion could have been predicted by a 1st year law student.
This proposal definitely does NOT include a park. Look at the plans. It is a thin strip of green space to act as a bit of a buffer between the new development and the existing neighborhood. I assume the reason they want to “gift” it to the Parks Department is so that they will not need to be responsible for maintenance. The Marion County Land Commission also suggested just two years ago, that 50% of this property (or about 11+ acres) should remain green space. The 2-1/2 acres offered falls far short of that recommendation.
This proposal definitely does NOT include a park. Look at the plans. It is a thin strip of green space to act as a bit of a buffer between the new development and the existing neighborhood. I assume the reason they want to “gift” it to the Parks Department is so that they will not need to be responsible for maintenance. The Marion County Land Commission also suggested just two years ago, that 50% of this property (or about 11+ acres) should remain green space.
Adding some context for why the neighborhoods are concerned about trafic. There are two other projects proposed in the same area, one approved the other pending. As both are still plans on paper and not yet built is impossible to do a real traffic impact analysis.
1) Just to the north at 96th and Westfield construction has begun on 300+ apartments with further development plans pending.
2) To the West at the SE Corner of 96th and Meridian an infill redevelopment project is proposed with a hotel, two 60K SQFT Office buildings, and 600 apartments.
The sum of the additional dwellings in a one-mile radius is about 1400+ with no consideration to widen the streets, add sidewalks or bike lanes ,or any other means to increase the capacity and flow of traffic.
I’m a bicyclist. Don’t add bike lanes. Most of those bike lanes are poorly designed and make commuting by bicycle more dangerous. And they take away much needed traffic lanes.
Build higher!!!!! See it from miles away!!!! Get busy and stop complaining!
Just like Brainard in Carmel, everyone want to develop “upward” to maximize property taxes. We need green space to offset our carbon footprint. Stop trying to fit as many units as profitable. Think less about profits and more about leaving a legacy.
It seems that most commenters are ignoring the fact that the developer has obviously and very consciously addressed congestion to the best of their ability with the Westfield overpass situation. The re-alignment of Real Street is a key factor in smoothing out traffic congestion in this area. It allow for more stacking and better visibility than there has ever been. Being cognizant of Sherwood Forest to the southwest, they have stepped down the density substantially, utilizing townhomes along Real Street, and then stepping down further by dedicating the southwest portion of the property for single family use. Yes, these aren’t the 3/4 acre lots of Sherwood Forest, but they aren’t relying on septic systems, allowing for more density that makes the investment viable.
The red herring that there isn’t enough “Green” space is ridiculous as well. A privately held and not walkable (a grossly underused and ill-maintained golf course) is not an amenity to the surrounding neighborhood or area in any way, shape or form. We need to stop with the Nimbyism in Indiana and let folks develop what they can make work. If you don’t want something developed, then buy it up and preserve it yourself; either on your own or as a group with your nimby neighbors.
RJC
You obviously don’t care that our trees are being demolished by the thousands just so builders can make money. Do like seeing houses smushed together with a tree or 2 on the lot?