Loyal soldier Pence torn between Trump, Constitution

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He has been President Donald Trump’s most loyal soldier, dutifully backing the unpredictable leader through one chaotic situation after another.

Now, Vice President Mike Pence finds himself in the most precarious position of his tenure as he prepares to preside over Wednesday’s congressional tally of Electoral College votes, the last front in Trump’s attempts to overturn President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in the November election.

Seated on the House of Representatives’ rostrum, Pence will bear witness to the formalization of Trump’s—and his own—election defeat, as tellers from the House and Senate record states’ electoral votes. At the end of the count, it will be his job to announce who has won the majority of votes for both president and vice president.

But Pence, whose prescribed role is largely pro forma, is under intense pressure from the president and legions of supporters who want the vice president to use the moment to overturn the will of the voters in a handful of critical battleground states.

“I hope Mike Pence comes through for us, I have to tell you,” Trump said at a rally Monday night in Georgia for candidates in two Senate runoff elections.

“Of course, if he doesn’t come through, I won’t like him quite as much,” Trump added, drawing laughs. He said Pence was “going to have a lot to say about it. And you know one thing with him, you’re going to get straight shots. He’s going to call it straight.”

Pence, Indiana’s former governor, has spent hours huddling with the president, staff and the Senate parliamentarian. His office declined to discuss his plans heading into Wednesday’s count. But people close to the vice president stressed his respect for institutions and said they expect him to act in accordance with the law and hew to the Constitution.

“I think he will approach this as a constitutionalist, basically, and say, ’What’s my role in the Constitution as president of the Senate?’” said David McIntosh, president of the conservative Club for Growth and a Pence friend. “What he’ll do is allow anybody who is going to move to object to be heard, but then abide by what the majority of the Senate makes the outcome.”

In fulfilling one of the few formal responsibilities of the vice presidency, Pence also risks compromising his own political future. Pence is eyeing his own run for the White House in 2024, and is banking on his years of loyalty to Trump—likely to be the GOP’s top kingmaker for years to come—to help him stand out in what is expected to be a crowded field.

That means he must avoid angering Trump along with large portions of the Republican base, who have bought into the president’s claims of election fraud in key states and have been led to believe that Pence has the power to reverse the outcome by rejecting the votes from states like Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania that narrowly swung from Trump in 2016 to Biden in 2020.

“Stop the steal!” voters in Georgia chanted to Pence at a rally for the Senate candidates at the Rock Springs Church in Milner, Georgia, on Monday.

“I know we all—we all got our doubts about the last election. And I want to assure you, I share the concerns of millions of Americans about voting irregularities,” Pence told the crowd. “And I promise you, come this Wednesday, we’ll have our day in Congress. We’ll hear the objections. We’ll hear the evidence.”

On Wednesday beginning at 1 p.m., Pence is to preside over a joint session of Congress. His role is to open the certificates of the electoral votes from each state and present them to the appointed “tellers” from the House and Senate in alphabetical order. At the end of the count, it falls to Pence to announce who won.

Pence on Sunday held a two-hour meeting that included the Senate parliamentarian to review his role and responsibilities. Allies stress his role is largely ministerial, and that the electoral count could only be overturned by the lawmakers—a virtual impossibility given that Democrats control the House.

But, on Monday, Pence was in the Oval Office with Trump and senior aides as the president continued to seek pathways to overturn the election results. The scene appeared animated as the president, Pence and their chiefs of staff met with lawyer John Eastman and others.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who has been leading the president’s legal effort, said in a podcast interview that the team had been consulting with constitutional law professors and analyzing Pence’s options. He said Trump and Pence on Monday were “going through all of the research” and would probably wait until Tuesday to make a decision on how to proceed.

“The president will make this decision based on his judgment and the advice that he gets on what the Constitution demands,” Giuliani told conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

Despite claims by Trump and his allies, there is no evidence of widespread fraud in the election. This has been confirmed by a range of election officials and by William Barr, who stepped down as attorney general last month. Neither Trump nor any of the lawmakers promising to object to the count have presented credible evidence that would change the outcome.

Nevertheless, more than 100 House Republicans and a dozen Senate Republicans have said they will challenge the electoral votes of at least one of the battleground states on Wednesday.

And, on Monday, Republican parties in several states had Ronna McDaniel, who chairs the Republican National Committee, deliver letters to Pence encouraging him to reject the legally selected electors from Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada and Pennsylvania.

The efforts make it all but impossible for Pence to remain above the fray, as some allies had hoped. Others have expressed regret that some extreme Trump loyalists, including former national security adviser Michael Flynn and attorney Sidney Powell, have tried to drive a wedge between Trump and his vice president during the final days of the administration.

That frustration seems to be shared by Pence, who recently expressed his frustrations to McIntosh about an ad from the anti-Trump group The Lincoln Project that painted the vice president as distancing himself from Trump. So the Club for Growth cut its own ad, which it aired in Palm Beach during Trump’s Florida vacation, trumpeting Pence’s loyalty to the president.

McIntosh said Pence resented what he felt was a “cheap shot” by the group, adding that he expects Pence to emerge from this week’s drama with his reputation intact.

“In the moment, there is that uncomfortable feeling, but in the long run, people respect you if you do what you think is right and explain why you do it,” he said. “This moment will pass. The decision will be made.”

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18 thoughts on “Loyal soldier Pence torn between Trump, Constitution

  1. If Mike Pence had values and integrity, he would have resigned about the Access Hollywood tape. He’s shown his true character the last five years and it’s the opposite of everything he professes.

    Doing what Trump wants him to do tomorrow would be just more of the last five years, doing what the Constitution calls for would be a very small step towards redemption.

    1. “Loyal soldier Pence torn between coup, democracy” would have been a more accurate headline.

  2. Why would anyone think he’s a viable candidate for 2024? Are there really people that want someone who has been a maniac’s lackey for four years to lead our country???

    1. He’s a viable candidate because 74 million Americans are NOT torn between the U.S. Constitution and Trump. They choose Trump.

    2. Aaron P – Those 74 million choose trump. Not Pence. No way they would vote for Pence in 2024. Unless of course he was running as VP with trump again.

    1. Hey Bob – some of what Trump has to say makes sense, it resonates with a lot of voters. And maybe implemented by someone who can listen to those around him, hires lots of smart people, and can strategize longer than 5 minutes, it could work out to help America.

      But Trump is an insecure man, so he just hires his family or people who tell him he’s the smartest man in every room he walks in. He doesn’t listen to anyone else. He’s a guy who played a businessman on a TV show but has failed in just about every other venture he’s ever gone into. This isn’t TV, where they script the ending and can fix gaffes and mistakes in post-production.

      We’ve come off the worse for our trade battles, and we’ve done nothing to strengthen America’s place in the world. They’ve laughed at our idiot leader and gone off and made their own trade deals, isolating America further. It’s not going to be America First, it’s going to be America Alone. Same mistake the U.K. is making.

      Which is fine, if you want to tell the American capitalist system that they need to inflate wages and stop automation in order to employ American workers who no longer have overseas markets for their products. But that sounds kind of … socialist to me.

      By the way, the article? I think the writer forgot that a movie might take some historical liberties with a topic.

      https://slate.com/culture/2017/12/whats-fact-and-whats-fiction-in-darkest-hour.html

      It’s also really ironic that the article you posted was from a former NFL player. I guess athletes don’t have to “stick to sports” when they tell you what you want hear.

  3. Anything less than upholding the Constitution is unacceptable. To do otherwise will, at a minimum, destroy whatever integrity he and the Republican Party have left.

  4. “McIntosh…. expects Pence to emerge from this week’s drama with his reputation intact.”

    .

    His reputation remains intact. It’s not a good reputation, but it’s intact.

  5. The headline misleads which is characteristic of the current news media that drives the Democrat Party. It is Pence vs. the Constitution only because the AP says so. It was Trump collusion with Russians because of a Democrat-News Media narrative that proved false after millions of dollars of taxpayer funded investigations. Hillary Clinton smashes cell phones, and operates an illegitimate computer server … and gets a free pass from the Democrat News Media. The news media is the Democrat Party. The DNC needs to be rebranded as the DNM (Democrat News Media). And the establishment Republicans that remain silent and look the other way on the Democrat News Media manipulation are not genuine Republicans. They are nothing more than shills for the Democrat News Media. These RINO’s are so desperate for wealth and power … they throw the citizens and U.S. Constitution under the bus. This is why Trump was elected POTUS after never running for a national office before being elected. It is why he remains hugely popular and supported by the majority of voters today.

    1. He lost by 7 million votes and the exact same electoral margin he won by in 2016.

      There’s a difference between something being proven false and something not being proven conclusively due to lack of communication. What does Trump have to hide with his relationship with Russia?

      Stop the “both sides” and “what aboutness” – Trump proved what he is with the phone call to Georgia’s Secretary of State – he’s more anti-American than any President ever before. He should be impeached and convicted this week for that call alone, and I’d say the same thing if it was Obama or Reagan who made the request to “find” votes. It’s unspeakably worse than anything Hillary Clinton ever did. Nixon was impeached for less.

      In his own voice, he made it clear he’s a wannabe dictator. If you still support Trump after that call, you no longer believe in American democracy.

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