Karen Celestino-Horseman: Trump is wrong: There is no massive voter fraud

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12 thoughts on “Karen Celestino-Horseman: Trump is wrong: There is no massive voter fraud

  1. Yet more baloney from yet another unhinged liberal writing for Indianapolis Business Journal. Lord, does anyone there have brains enough to see what is in plain mathematical view regarding targeted towns and precincts as regards voter fraud?

    1. Post links, Bob. Then let us know why the judicial system (including judges appointed by both parties and Trump himself) doesn’t seem to regard any of this information as credible.

      As a reminder, Trump alleged fraud before the election he won in 2016. He convened a committee to look into his fraud allegations. They quietly disbanded … after finding none.

      It seems much more likely that Trump and his enablers are spreading nonsense because it a) makes him feel better about losing, b) it’s helped him rake in the cash to live on, c) theirs is a party of grievance that requires someone to blame for their own issues. But if you pay attention, whatever Trump and his ilk accuse someone else of, it’s something that they themselves are guilty of.

      That this behavior threatens the underpinnings of the American democratic system is apparently of little regard for Trump or any of those “rule of law” Republicans…

      Bottom line – Trump would have won the election easily with a minimal federal response to the coronavirus. Just any display of leadership would have gotten him re-election. That he was unable to do so speaks to the numerous flaws that he came into office with, and I’d argue, should have disqualified him from holding office in the first place. One of the points of having an Electoral College was to prevent the people from electing someone unqualified to be President … which obviously didn’t happen in this case.

  2. Thank you Karen for your informed and practical explanation. Good to know. It’s unfortunate that reason and truth don’t always win out in this super-heated time, but hopefully it will reach a few.

  3. Joe B: Despite your Trump Derangement Syndrome being front and center, you got THIS much right if Biden is inaugurated!

    Quote: One of the points of having an Electoral College was to prevent the people from electing someone unqualified to be President … which obviously didn’t happen in this case.

    I do have a good link for you. I’ll post in a moment, not that you’ll pay any attention to the obvious in it.

    1. Have to read everything knowing the bias in the source. Same reason I read both The Hill and Politico. And the same reason I roll my eyes at both the stuff that Trumpubicans post and the stuff I see from Daily Kos.

      But you have to read it all to discern the truth. You can’t call all news that you don’t like “fake news” and just decide to only consume news that tells you what you want to hear. That’s not taking civic responsibility seriously.

      Here’s two more for ya.

      https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-dumb-statistical-argument-in-texass-election-lawsuit/

      https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/12/texass-frivolous-lawsuit-seeks-to-overturn-election-in-four-other-states/

    2. Have to read everything knowing the bias in the source. Same reason I read both The Hill and Politico. And the same reason I roll my eyes at both the stuff that Trumpublicans post and the stuff I see from Daily Kos. But you have to read it all to discern the truth.

      You can’t call all news that you don’t like “fake news” and just decide to only consume news that tells you what you want to hear. That’s not taking civic responsibility seriously.

      Here’s another link for ya https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-dumb-statistical-argument-in-texass-election-lawsuit/

    3. Geoffrey Kabaservice, the director of political studies at the libertarian Niskanen Center, told me he sees a fateful watershed in the party’s postelection deference to Trump. “Once the Republican Party got into this idea that voter suppression was the way to go, once it stopped believing it was the majority party—and the entire American project was at stake, and Democrats would ruin the country if they hold power—then anything would be permitted, including antidemocratic means,” said Kabaservice, who is also the author of Rule and Ruin, a history of moderate Republicans. “This was all before Trump came on the scene, so Trump simply furthered what was there.”

      The Republican Party, “without acknowledging or realizing it, has become an antidemocratic force,” he added.

      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/12/gops-anti-democratic-bid-overturn-election/617358/

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