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Probably for the best. The current setup is a band-aid and seems to cause more confusion than harmony.
As a Westfield resident and regular Monon trail user, I cannot wait for this to happen. I consistently run south into Carmel rather than deal with the mess that is 161st Street.
$8.8M for that? Also, there is no way that 161st Street has more traffic than Route 32.
There’s a bridge over Indiana 32.
Russell: I am well aware there is a bridge over Route 32. That is not what I was referring to when I said the article had to be incorrect when it stated that 161st Street is Westfield’s 2nd busiest street behind Route 31. Go count the cars on 32. I am not saying that something doesn’t need to be done. It was poorly designed when last done. It is a miracle someone hasn’t been injured or killed. But the costs quoted for any project seem to grow exponentially compared to anything else.
Tony: I just looked at INDOT traffic count data. It looks like the author was only referring to surface streets, and that he meant to say that 161st Street is the second busiest street in Westfield behind Route 32.
Route 32 gets roughly 20,000 drivers per day and 161st street gets roughly 14,000 drivers per day. 20,000 and 14,000 were both numbers quoted by the author. US31 blows both out of the water, with 40,000+ drivers per day through Westfield. And US31 isn’t a surface street.
First, let’s acknowledge that we’re thankful no one has been killed at this busy crossing in the last few years. As a trail user all I ask is that you build it right and plan for the future…whether that’s future road expansion, increased trail usage or whatever. You get one shot at this.
This needs to happen, I know there will be the boiler plate grumbling about the cost. Especially from anyone who doesn’t utilize it or just likes to complain.
However…. its a miracle nobody has been killed here. It’s at the crest of a hill, traffic moves at a high rate of speed, some drivers stop randomly, some speed up to beat pedestrians who might want to cross, its a mess. Some trail users use the light, some don’t, some watch for traffic, some don’t.
I was at the crossing a few feet back a few months ago and looked down to grab a drink and check my time and a driver had stopped unprompted and then started honking at me to cross. Needless to say… words were exchanged. It’s just too much confusion.
I Have to wonder why build a bridge for multi lane road so a skinny little trail can go underneath, when you could build a longer bridge for only the trail? Is option 1 really cheaper, or are there other considerations driving this choice?
Design cost run about 10% of the project.
You need a 90% design to get actual cost estimates, so I don’t trust the numbers they put out. They need to try again to get some grant money too help offset some .
$8M+ to dig a hole? What say leave it the way it is and stop and look both ways before crossing as we were taught in grade school. Surely a better way to spend that kind of money
Find a state legislator from outside Evansville who agrees and get them to stop it for you.
That’s how things work in Indiana, right?
Anyone questioning this project should re-read the article from 2020. Now here we are 3 yrs later and construction costs are sky rocketed! Oh well at least we’re making progress and seeing things get done the right way.