Indiana Senate panel waters down vaccine bill, prompting businesses to support it

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26 thoughts on “Indiana Senate panel waters down vaccine bill, prompting businesses to support it

  1. “Natural immunity” after contracting Covid-19 does not last long. Studies show it begins to diminish after just three months. Protection against infection after being vaccinated last much longer, up to six months, before it begins to decay. The legislation does not take these facts into account.

    1. What is most important is protection against hospitalization and death which natural immunity and vaccinations with contraction do equally.

    2. Brent B. this is an outright lie! Please stop spreading lies! A recent major Danish study published by the Statens Serum Institut in Denmark showed vaccine-induced immunity wanes rapidly, beginning a few weeks after vaccination. And at the five month mark, protection is well below 50%. Natural immunity, by contrast, is robust: a full year after infection, protection is still above 70%.

      Also, from the beloved CDC just a few weeks ago:

      CDC Study: Natural Immunity Provides Significantly More Protection Against COVID Than Vaccination Only
      January 20, 2022 at 7:27am

      “A study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released on Wednesday shows that those who have recovered from COVID-19 have more protection against infection than those who have only been vaccinated…..”

      And there are several more studies where that came from including the Israeli study from October showing that natural immunity is 27 times more effective than vaccinated immunity. And that supported 15 other previous studies.

      In the Danish study I referenced above (and consistent with what the Israeli study also found) hybrid immunity – conferred by the combination of vaccination and previous infection – is slightly better than natural immunity. However, the difference is very miniscule compared to the large difference between natural and vaccine-induced immunity of you look at their graphs.

      Evidence for the superiority of natural immunity is robust! The tricky part may be getting this message past people like you!

    3. It only allows the natural immunity exemption for 3 months after infection. I’m okay with that.

    4. Brent – you really should take the time to review the studies noted by MG. You should really educate yourself. It is no longer excusable to pretend that what you said is even remotely accurate.

    5. MG, your “logic” leaves out that getting that natural immunity when unvaccinated is much riskier than getting infected after vaccination.

      Make sure you read about today’s anti-vaxer in today’s IndyStar. Sure, she survived. She also, despite promptly getting antibodies, has visited the hospital five times (including one ICU stay), has to take blood thinners and has another blood disorder now, and lost her hair. From the article:

      “As she lay in a hospital bed at Community Hospital South in August, she rued the decision that had brought her to that point.”

      “I just thought I was so stupid,” she said. “Why did I not listen to everybody that tried to tell me and I’m just so upset with myself for being stubborn.”

      But, hey, she survived!

      And if we are all wanting to be like Denmark, that’s great. 82% of Denmark is vaccinated, with 95 percent of those over 50 vaccinated. Further, 90 percent of those over 50 have also been boosted. The US isn’t close to those numbers.

      https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2022/02/16/indiana-covid-19-anti-vaxxer-nearly-died-now-shes-vaccinated-vaccine/9260968002/

    6. Thanks, Joe B. I read that publication and suspected it was what MG was referencing. As seems to always be the case with these “rationalizations” of predetermined positions, MG has presented data which is cherry picked and out of context. Linear logic starts with a very simple question – should I get vaccinated or not? Since last summer, the vast majority of serious illness/hospitalizations/death has been among the unvaccinated. We’ve known this for a long time and since nothing succeeds like success, the answer is apparent to all who are able to apply logic not distorted by bias. All the rest is simply attempting to reverse engineer a rationale to defend an inferior position in order make a personal brand identity statement. Remarkably illogical

  2. Oh good lord. Why are we paying our politicians to write, debate, amend these stupid bills when the “Pandemic” is over? Why require anyone to get a vaccine for a flu virus that will likely circulate around the globe at some level for years and year? The hysteria needs to be over. For all our sakes.

    I know the politicians and Biden are still stuck in May 2020…but its 2022 now. Let’s work on the economy.

    1. I agree with you wholeheartedly Rebecca W., except that we cannot let this hysteria and loss of individual freedoms happen again when the next “COVID” rolls around!

    2. As of yesterday (Feb. 15) there were still 1,500+ Covid patients in IN hospitals. Hardly what I would call “over”…

  3. The vaccines are effective: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccine-effectiveness

    Here is the published Danish study: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00575-4/fulltext

    And here is it’s conclusion: Our findings could inform decisions on which groups should be vaccinated and advocate for vaccination of previously infected individuals because natural protection, especially among older people, cannot be relied on.

    Here is the CDC study: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm7104e1_w

    And part of it’s conclusion: Thus, vaccination remains the safest and primary strategy to prevent SARS-CoV-2 infections, associated complications, and onward transmission.

    1. CDC likes to draw political conclusions from studies. I prefer to read the data and draw my own based on actual science, not political science.

  4. Our Republican elected officials are turning in to RINO’s we need elected Republicans like Florida and Texas have. People with backbones that stand up for the people. Vote them all out of office.!!!!

    1. Or even Purple Virginia. Our Republicans are losers, but as long as fake libertarians like Nate Feltman and Terry Anker support the wimpiness, we’ll be stuck.

    2. I agree, they’re RINO’s …. no sane Republican would be happy about what the Republican Party has become. Reagan, Lugar … they’d be sick.

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