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Redistricting will backfire spectacularly. Anyone who votes to stick with Trump and a big MAGA priority will go down as part of a sinking ship. Votes on this will send a message into posterity about who is part of the past versus the future. It’s already over. Why continue supporting this ridiculous agenda? We need grown-ups at the helm of this great country and state.
These are safety bars if ever the Democrats get to run the country again and try to add states, expand the supreme court and open the borders again. We have seen the results of a Democrat mayor in this very city and it’s not good. We can do our part to spare the rest of the country from their lazy governance, high crime & high taxation, open border and anti-American policies ever again.
By “add states” do you really mean to eliminate taxation without representation (like DC), where citizens don’t currently have a say in the presidential election?
“This very city” – you mean the one that drives economic growth and prosperity for the rest of the state? Republicans might be good at governing massive amounts of empty land, but the rest of the country would still look like pre-industrial times if Republicans had to govern more than a family per square mile
You mean like Hamilton County? Which contains the 3 fastest growing cities in the state? With lower taxes, better roads and less Crime?
Rebecca, you mean three cities that would even exist, at least as they do now, were it not for Indianapolis?
Rebecca, you mean three cities that wouldn’t even exist, at least as they do now, were it not for Indianapolis?
Hamilton County, the fastest growing portion of Indiana, which isn’t grouped with the rest of the northside of Indianapolis and is instead grouped with the fast-growing communities of… Huntington, Bluffton, and Blackford, all of which just have so many similarities with Carmel and Noblesville. (sarcasm).
And don’t forget that Carmel borrowed so much to build infrastructure that the state made it illegal for any other city to use the same tools. (Republicans just love progress!)
it’s not just Marion County that is disadvantaged with these maps. Every donut county takes it in the shins. Maps drawn to the benefit of how Indiana was populated decades ago, not how Indiana is now.
What happened to “we the people” of Indiana? If you don’t want to fall in line with the MAGA folks, your vote probably won’t even count.
It’s a “power move” like stacking the Supreme Court, etc. Cry to me about Indiana after you fix Massachusetts, Delaware, Maryland, Illinois and California!
Nothing is more important than keeping control out of the hands of Democrats!
Eldridge Gerry would be proud!
Like i say if you can’t win on policy then cheat.
Oh Jon S., get real. EVERY state gerrymanders to an extent depending on which party controls the majority. The stark difference this year is that it being blatantly conducted at the behest of a dictator who knows the only chance he has for the GOP to stay in the majority, and allow him to continue his dismantling of our country, is to cheat. He knows that if Democrats regain control he will be impeached yet again (deservedly so) and is desperate to prevent that from happening.
I love it! bye bye Carson – you never deserved it in the first place
Republicans drew the map to keep him there. Blaming Carson is like blaming the kids (instead of the parents) for participation trophies.
I agree!
What do they call it? Nepotism? Yeah, that’s it.
living in Marion county as an independent voter leaves me zero choice about who is “leading” or managing the city. it’s deteriorating at an alarming rate where we get excited because someone did their job and plowed the roads; no one should have a merit badge for doing their job. there are ZERo amenities associated with Marion county. we need a leader that looks at critical infrastructure and has the intelligence to surround themselves with capable people who can manage their essential functions.
You are commenting about something entirely unrelated to your complaint.
Please get a handle that doesn’t break the commenting system.
That’s the job of the mayor and city-county council, and has nothing to do with redistricting.
I believe he is using our mayor as an example of the entire Democrat party
living in Marion county as an independent voter leaves me zero choice about who is “leading” or managing the city. it’s deteriorating at an alarming rate where we get excited because someone did their job and plowed the roads; no one should have a merit badge for doing their job. there are ZERo amenities associated with Marion county. we need a leader that looks at critical infrastructure and has the intelligence to surround themselves with capable people who can manage their essential functions.
living in Marion county as an independent voter leaves me zero choice about who is “leading” or managing the city. it’s deteriorating at an alarming rate where we get excited because someone did their job and plowed the roads; no one should have a merit badge for doing their job. there are ZERo amenities associated with Marion county. we need a leader that looks at critical infrastructure and has the intelligence to surround themselves with capable people who can manage their essential functions.
living in Marion county as an independent voter leaves me zero choice about who is “leading” or managing the city. it’s deteriorating at an alarming rate where we get excited because someone did their job and plowed the roads; no one should have a merit badge for doing their job. there are ZERo amenities associated with Marion county. we need a leader that looks at critical infrastructure and has the intelligence to surround themselves with capable people who can manage their essential functions.
living in Marion county as an independent voter leaves me zero choice about who is “leading” or managing the city. it’s deteriorating at an alarming rate where we get excited because someone did their job and plowed the roads; no one should have a merit badge for doing their job. there are ZERo amenities associated with Marion county. we need a leader that looks at critical infrastructure and has the intelligence to surround themselves with capable people who can manage their essential functions.
living in Marion county as an independent voter leaves me zero choice about who is “leading” or managing the city. it’s deteriorating at an alarming rate where we get excited because someone did their job and plowed the roads; no one should have a merit badge for doing their job. there are ZERo amenities associated with Marion county. we need a leader that looks at critical infrastructure and has the intelligence to surround themselves with capable people who can manage their essential functions.
Pretty gutsy to push this through when so many people have spoken against it. It’s like there are politicians asking to not be reelected.
Most legislators don’t even have general election opponents. They’re not going anywhere.
the absolute dumbest people run this state
yes. that is true. and this city is run by the dumbest of the dumb
And Republicans still can’t find someone to run for mayor.
Joe, they don’t need to find a Republican to run for mayor of Indianapolis because they have the super-majority Republican state legislators blocks away from city hall passing laws to impose their own policy preferences.
The maps were drawn at the request of people who call us “Indianans”, by the same legislators who four years ago talked about the important of keeping together “communities of interest”.
Now? Marion County cracked into four districts, Indianapolis-area into five if you include what they did with Hamilton County.
They are taxation without representation for the Indianapolis area.
Joe B, Republicans are leaving Marion County leaving it for the Dems to wallow in their own waste! Very sad bc there was a time when Marion County was effectively run by mayors of both parties. Redistricting won’t fix Indianapolis….but it will maybe minimize the Dem majority in the next Congress…you know, the one’s whose priority won’t be fixing the Healthcare system they helped break…it’ll be to impeach Trump!!
Who drew that Map ? It wasn’t done in Indiana for Indiana . Assistant TRUMP dictator Gov Braun should get impeach for gross misconduct of representing Donald TRUMP over the residents in Indiana .
This new map is insane. Absolutely wrong for Marion county and Hoosiers in every way.
Why is this proposed map wrong for Marion Co? The only people upset by this redistricting plan are Democrats. As a Marion Co resident, I’m all for it! Finally, I may actually have a competent Rep in the US House who hasn’t retired in place!
Steven, you’re for not having a congressman who cares about your needs as a Marion County resident?
I live in the part of Marion County that is in the 6th District. Greg Pence was totally invisible his entire time in office, and Jefferson Shreve has been the same way.
Again, it will be taxation without representation.
Joe B, the portions of Marion in the 4 districts, as shown, would be large enough they couldn’t be ignored. Plus, what did you expect Pence to get done in Marion when Andre had 90% of the county. Those who object to this proposed map don’t give a bit about Marion Co — the Democrats have proved that! The “concerns” voiced here are not about protecting the interests of Hoosiers. The objections are about trying to protect solid Blue seats in the US House.
I don’t care about the parties. You are the one mentioning political parties. I could care less who wins.
I think the maps should be drawn around communities of interest, not based upon election results or party registration data as this map was so clearly done. Drawing maps on those attributes should be just as illegal as drawing based on gender or race (but, I should note, is not).
“Communities of interest” was the big term thrown around when the 2021 maps were unveiled. Now? In Marion County, you would be able to drive from 38th Street to 86th Street and traverse three Congressional districts. 3 out of the 4 Congressional districts that contain a portion of Marion County would also contain a state border.
It’s a map drawn for folks who call us “Indianans”, it has zero to do with Hoosier interests.
Steven J., a majority of Hoosiers oppose early redistricting – and are more vehement in their convictions than proponents, according to a survey conducted a month ago.
In a statewide poll of 800 registered voters, 51% didn’t want redistricting now — with 45% “strongly” opposed. About 39% supported the prospect, but just 23% “strongly” backed it.
Virginia-based Bellwether Research, led by prominent Hoosier pollster Christine Mathews, performed the survey for Indiana Conservation Voters (a group that opposes redistricting).
Of the 800 respondents, 49% were Republicans, 35% were Democrats and 16% were independents.
I am independent but have always voted WAY more Republicans than Democrats. But this drawing is simply disgraceful. People from the other side of the aisle deserve a voice also.
spineless
I’ve always been very proud that a Republican super majority passed such condensed reasonable maps. They stood in stark contrast to Democrat maps in a dozen states.
What I didn’t calculate was that Democrats had less than zero interest in ever doing the same reasonable maps in their states. The time to fight fire with fire has arrived.
The 2021 maps made sure those who moved to the donut counties had no votes. They put Southport and Richmond in the same district, and the 5th got too purple for Republicans so they “fixed” that problem to protect Victoria Spartz, of all people.
They were the maps you’d expect from a supermajority that wanted to be able to say “we kept communities of interest” together. That charade is now over. These new maps bring the same “taxation without representation” energy to Marion County.
Which is exactly why, when Democrats tried to make illegal maps like these or what’s in Illinois, Republicans blocked them.
they did it in california. but i am sure that was ok with everyone hating this. remember obama’s “I won”?…
it’s called politics. it’s about time the GOP stood up to the radical leftist democrat party
Cali was in direct response to Texas.
And texas was in response to every other Democrat dominated state – like NY, IL and WI – and of course the ultimate gerrymandered state – CA
California just held a statewide voter referendum on redistricting. It won 2-1. Their voters weighed in.
California has referenda in its laws, we don’t! We elect Reps to do this for us. It’s called a “Republican form of Government” which, btw, is guaranteed to us by the US Constitution!
It’s not popular but it is necessary and it could backfire bc, as this site demonstrates, there are so many people that are just fine with Dem gerrymandering.
As noted earlier, this is a response to leftists in Dem states eliminating all possibility of Republicans winning. Now it happens here in response and we’re the bad guys???
Daily reminder, Democrats tried to get rid of political gerrymandering – which would have gotten rid of their supposed advantages – and were blocked by Republicans.
D D., the California effort was approved in a statewide referendum by the people of California. Indiana doesn’t even permit statewide referendums. Could it be the Republicans don’t trust you?
Rebecca, please check your facts. Illinois is quite strongly gerrymandered in favor of Democrats, as you suggested, so you are right there. But California is not (otherwise they would not have been able to draw new maps that could pick up five Democratic seats… which they specifically did only because Trump strong-armed Texas into starting this whole mid-decade war). New York is not strongly gerrymandered either. And as for Wisconsin… it currently is heavily gerrymandered in favor of Republicans, not Democrats (WI is 6-2 Republicans, despite Republicans having only a 51% majority of the total votes… so your allegation is completely wrong and opposite from the actual truth).
Californias citizens voted to allow redistricting. Huge distinction.
The maps should be redrawn … to reflect the actual make up of the state; 60% R, 40% D, not 100% vs 0%. If only we had a harbor to throw cases of tea into.
like in california? new york? illinois?
Or Texas, Missouri or Tennessee?
Remember this was redrawn by the new Trumplican party. Republicans need to take back our party and evict Trump and his blind servants@
Our party? The past Republican party was ineffectual and spineless and scared to death of being called a name. THIS Republican party is getting it done. We don’t want to go back.
Rebecca W., is it the FOX News channel or WIBC that informs tells you what to think?
Maybe you’d like to go back to Bush? He was easier to control. All he wanted was revenge for his papa and war $$ for Cheney.
I prefer a Reagan-esque approach to politics. Common Sense. Effective. Non-woke. Anti-crime. Pro-business and Pro-American. So yes, I look at lower taxes paid for by higher tariffs and 4-5% GDP growth, and I know exactly what you are missing – and that’s the American dream – a can do attitude and optimism.
Dems are stuck inside their own bubble. Blue cities, ours included, suffer under dem policies. We have high crime, a homeless problem and a lack of prosecution making people feel unsafe and a Mayor that apparently is unable to make a difference but yet still gets elected under the Democratically controlled city network of politicians. We need better representation in Marion County, so I hope the new map is passed.
Reagan would have been primaried out of the Republican Party 10 years ago like Lugar was.
Tariffs are just consumption taxes. You are not getting lower taxes, you’re just seeing the burden shifted. That’s the entire game.
All the Republican Party wants is it to be 1927 again. No Medicare. No Social Security. No middle class. Get so angry about that one transgendered person that must exist somewhere that you vote it all away.
Purely objectively… that is one messed up looking map. No one creating a logical, rationally-minded map would make it look like that.
Meaning – I’m sure the rep of district 9 will have a great read on the pulse of all of his or her constituents, spread over 120 miles. Yep.
Check out Illinois!!
John S., we should probably be more concerned , as Hoosiers, with our own map.
The tentacles of this draft map to break up Marion Co’s votes into four districts has about 0 percent chance of passing the US Supreme Court’s smell test for racial gerrymandering.
It’s a very easy test to pass. The Texas example is failing in the lower courts because of the incompetence of the DOJ (and the Supreme Court will likely bail them out anyway). Republicans didn’t make that mistake twice.
As a lifelong Hoosier, I cannot believe that our elected representatives in the house and senate have the absolute disregard for honesty and integrity that this map poses. How does putting Lake County citizens with Wabash County citizens for representative positions make any sense? Likewise, how does putting the westside of Marion County in the same representative voting district as Floyd County. And on and on. Hopefully, our elected state representatives see this as a total mockery of our election system and vote this monstrosity down. Shame on anyone who thinks this is ‘The American Way’.
I remain most amazed by the person with no name having their comment automatically repeated after each reply. That’s some good IT tech work!!
As a Johnson County resident, the “new” 6th District is the ONE in this new map that actually makes sense. Having formerly been in the Tennessee Trey 9th that stretched from County Line Road down I-65 to the Ohio River (but didn’t include Pence County, er Bartholomew County), this one is something a little closer to real.
A real/honest map of Indiana would draw three “Indy + suburbs” districts in the metro area (that contains about a third of the state’s population) as well as leaving a compact NW IN district intact. You know, the whole “communities of interest” argument.
It’s not especially hard to draw such districts.
https://districtr.org/indiana
Marion County being divided into FOUR districts. Nothing else needs to be said. We’ll see how these whores defend that proposal with any kind of straight face…
Just a reminder – gerrymandering only works because it is predicated on typical voter turnout and there being no substantive swings in voting. But if voter turnout rises and a substantial swing comes through, gerrymandering won’t save you. Which is why vote minimization is always a part of such gerrymandering strategies. They know, regardless of party, that gerrymandering only gets you so far.
Repugnant Republicans are disgusting, anti-American cheaters. Doing Putin’s bidding.
Hillary, is that you? She’s the last person on the planet that still thinks the Russian hoax was real.
Anyway, despite all the arguing of minor points, I for one believe that it would be great to have more than one representative in Marion County. This entire county is represented by a single representative, the grandson of Julia Carson, who together have ruled Marion County since 1997.
I live in Marion County and do not feel represented by Andre Carson. Of course he is against it. He became rich as the sole representative in Marion County since 2008.
And Republicans have twice drawn that district, Rebecca, not Andre Carson. The 2011 and 2021 maps were drawn by a Republican supermajority.
Republicans are the ones who want to make sure that Marion County is poorly represented and the donut counties have even less representation.
if you think the Republican replacement for Carson will care one wit about Indianapolis, you’ve got another thing coming.
Joe, I’m glad you agree that Marion County is poorly represented by the current maps.
Rebecca, that was genuinely one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read. My eyes hurt from how absurd and stupid that was. Republicans don’t get to play Congress Police. If Marion County elects them, so be it. Just because you have a big tantrum over Republicans being giant losers in Marion County doesn’t mean that Marion County should have its representation revoked.
So, you only want 1 family to represent the County where you live? Maybe Andre has a son that he can give his seat to for the next 20 years? That to me is repugnant and disgusting, and also stupid.
I mean, look at the results. Taxes are higher in Marion County than the surrounding suburbs. That hurts homeowners. Crime is higher, yet the DA doesn’t prosecute for woke reasons. That makes residents less safe. High costs + high crime. And before you say that’s the mayor’s fault – I’ve already said that too. Let’s get some new voices and new ideas in Marion County – because what we have been doing for our county isn’t working.
We agree it’s poorly drawn, yet you’re giving Republicans a total pass for doing the drawing.
As I said elsewhere, this is like getting mad at kids for accepting participation trophies that their parents are giving them.
The solution to the Andre Carson problem isn’t to crack Marion County into four districts. It’s to draw the Indianapolis area the three “communities of interest” it deserves and let the voters pick the best candidate, instead of map making software.
We could get new ideas of Republicans actually presented ideas that were worth voting for. The reason the Carsons win is because Republicans are losers who run on losing platforms. There’s a reason Republican vote share keeps dropping in Marion County. Cheating to ram bad ideas down the throats of Marion County residents is not the way to do this.
You wanna win? Change your ideology.
You are telling voters to change their ideology instead of making the community better? Voters speak with their feet – and they have in droves by moving out of Marion County and into the suburbs where crime is less and taxes are lower. That only makes the county worse. So, is Republican ideology bad or are Democratic policies bad?
Why vote for status quo and no change when change is what is needed?
Marion County grew by 8%, 70,000 additional people, from 2010 to 2020.
The growth you are seeing is migration from the large parts of Indiana that are dying into large metro areas, especially the donut counties. People are moving to where the good jobs and good schools are, and those areas were been broken up and disenfranchised in the 2021 maps. Marion County now joins the other donut counties in the 2025 maps.
Why do Indiana Republicans not want the Indianapolis area to have any representation when the area deserves three representatives by itself?
Sorry, can’t edit – Carsons have ruled over 90% of Marion County including the heart of the city since 1997.
As they were elected to do. Republicans don’t get to play gatekeeper just because they don’t like it.
At some point, people need to respond like Americans. Not as Republicans or MAGA Republicans or Democrats or as “Left” leaning Democrats. The voters of Indiana did not ask for and do not need re-drawing of maps during the middle of the census cycle. One person and one party did. Modern Communism is one party in control with some capitalistic economic policies. Appears that the current Republican plat form is aligned with Modern Communism. Go figure! Some on this thread need to become more “woke” and realize what they are giving up when it comes to representation for all.
I don’t care who drew the last map or this one. And you are making my argument for me with regard to Marion County, per your definition of modern communism and one-party control.
The Indianapolis city council is 19-6 democratically controlled and we have a democrat mayor as well as a democrat representative over 90% of the county.
Dividing up Marion County will bring new voices to the table. Something we haven’t had since 1997.
Rebecca – The Republican “voices” weren’t pushed out. They simply lost their elections because their policies suck. God forbid Republicans change their policies to actually win instead of cheating to ram their corruption and false sense of morality down everyone’s throats.
Republicans lost their majority on the City County Council in 2011 when the election was held using districts drawn by Republicans. Republicans still managed to get Greg Ballard re-elected in 2011, with Ballard picking up 8,000 more voters and winning by a larger percentage than he did in 2007.
Democrats held the majority in 2015 despite the Indiana Republicans (you know, that party that will suddenly care deeply about Marion County) stepping in and eliminating the at-large seats that’d gone to Democrats in an effort to help. Republicans got walloped in that election after nominating a gentleman (Chuck Brewer) who ran a sandwich shop and had no other experience. But Brewer did better than long-time politico Jim Merritt, who didn’t even muster 27% in a farcical campaign, maybe the worst I’ve seen since Woody Myers ran for governor. From that standpoint, Jefferson Shreve’s effort to buy an office – any office – with his multiple millions, did pretty well to get 40%. Shreve was so dedicated to the city that he went on to buy the 6th District of Congress from Greg Pence (who did about as much as Andre Carson and stuck around just long enough to qualify for the pension) and he hasn’t been seen in Indianapolis since.
When Democrats drew the districts in 2021, they gave Republicans another district.
Anyone who votes yes, is voting against the oath of office they took to be seated. How is voting yes to redistricting defending the constitution of the State of Indiana? The specific code they are violating with a yes vote is:
IC 3-3-2-1 General assembly; redistricting session
Sec. 1. Congressional districts shall be established by law at the first regular session of the general assembly convening immediately following the United States decennial census.
Formerly: Acts 1969, c.93, s.1; Acts 1971, P.L.18, SEC.5. As amended by P.L.3-1989, SEC.3.
Seems to me, they have to change the constitution first, then vote to redistrict. But, then again, it seems rules are for everyone except elected officials.
Who said Republican voices were pushed out? Not me.
Indiana has a Republican trifecta and a Republican triplex. The Republican Party controls the offices of governor, secretary of state, attorney general, and both chambers of the state legislature. Obviously, the majority of the state would disagree with you.
The Democrats on the other hand control the City of Indianapolis – with a majority on the council, the mayor and our one single representative in the house. Dividing up Marion County will benefit local residents of the county is what I’m saying.
Rebecca, Indiana Republicans are behind the road funding formula that takes funds from Marion County and spreads it around the state.
Indiana Republicans are why the city of Indianapolis can’t shut down a problem bar after a shooting, as only the state can do that.
Indiana Republicans are why Marion County voters struggle to have early voting when compared to all the donut counties.
What evidence do you have that Indiana Republicans would suddenly care about Marion County now?
2031 should be the effective date of any new map . Otherwise it will get ruled illegal by the courts .
So sick of Republicans. All they do is cheat. Not the same party we grew up with, by a long-shot.
I love all the liberal tears and whining and crying on here and it’s not going to make a bit of difference. I hope they push these maps through just as they’ve drawn them.
Initially I was opposed to redistricting but the more I see all the Democrats stomping their feet and crying the more I’m approving of it.
For those of you who are so upset over the Republicans controlling Indiana you have a choice you can go about 75 miles west and have the liberal Utopia of your dreams with high taxes and over regulation.
Cheating trash