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These rapid bus lines will end up as some of the worst things that have ever happened to the city. It’s so sad to see how they have already ruined neighborhoods, increased emissions due to congestion, and just made the city a more depressing place to be. And we will have to spend more tax dollars in the future to tear the infrastructure all out when the city realizes what a mistake they were. So stupid and shortsighted.
None of that is true but people like you will continue to blurt it out bc you hate poor people and refuse to educate yourself. More buses, more bike lanes, fewer giant pickup trucks that have never hauled a single thing. The Europification of our city’s streets should be accelerated
I am amazed how other mid-sized cities in the US are embracing light rail, which the state has forbidden Indianapolis from having. The only substitute we have is BRT. I think if some of these “Indy trolls” would ever get our of their pickup trucks and go see what the rest of the US is doing, they’d be amazed. I also think state lawmakers couldn’t justify killing mass transit, so like a lot of commenters, are hoping BRT will fail. I think the Blue line should have been built first, since with its connection to the airport, it might end up being a favorite for convention crowds.
When there was a “blue line” shuttle to the airport, I used to take an Uber downtown and then pick up the bus. It was cheap, reliable and saved me tons of money with little loss in travel time.
^^^This exchange above highlights what’s wrong with our public discourse today.
Neither one of these absolute views is appropriate for Indianapolis and its continuing success as a city and region.
We can’t afford to hate buses OR pickup trucks (and the people who choose to ride in them).
We can absolutely afford to hate bloated pickup trucks owned by white collar workers as a sort of tough guy virtue signaling or blue collar cosplay. They’re a danger to our children, destroy our roads, and disproportionately contribute to both noise and emissions pollution.
+100
Michael, this is a metro area of 2+ million people, the majority of whom live in suburban settings in all of the metro counties including Marion County. And we all drive to get to work, shopping, health care, recreation, dining, sporting and entertainment events. (“All” is not absolute, but it’s probably at least 90-92%.)
Personally, I drive midsized or smaller vehicles including a hybrid, and I don’t have it in me to “hate” other drivers’ vehicle choices. (Now, if they drive like idiots, that’s a different story, but there are as many bad drivers in Priuses as F150s.)
Chris, the lifestyle choices of those who decide to settle in a different county should not be factored into the decisions that this city makes with its infrastructure. This city should serve its residents’ needs first and foremost.
Michael, the “city” includes vast stretches of Pike, Washington, Lawrence, Warren, Franklin, Perry, Decatur, and Wayne Townships that are not the least bit urban. In 2020, only a little more than 150,000 of the nearly 1 million Marion County residents lived in Center Township.
The “City” does indeed need to factor in the folks from the outer eight townships in its infrastructure decisions.
It also needs to factor in the needs of the employers who hope to attract folks to their jobs Downtown.
And there are even fewer residents “downtown” than in Center Township at large. The city doesn’t run for just the 20-25,000 people who actually live “downtown”.
Chris, would it be helpful if I shared a link to the rapid transit line map on the IndyGo website? A quick review of that should make it clear that the primary purpose of this infrastructure is to offer convenient public transit to the same townships you refer to below.
Way to change the subject, Michael. I think you have me confused with those who think the BRT lines are a negative. I don’t. I’m familiar with the system. I even think it was a mistake not to use the NKP line as the Green Line, whether rail or BRT.
With all that said, I’m also fairly clear-eyed about transit in Indy. Even with the BRT lines, the reality of this city is almost everyone in “the townships” of Indianapolis lives MORE THAN 15 minutes’ walk from a busline. That’s even true for a lot of places in Center Township.
DMD won’t turn Indy into Barcelona (or even Philly) with BRT and Transit Overlays even though bothwill improve things. And Kevin P. wrote a very perceptive comment below regarding the impact on West Washington Street, which is the subject of the article. Not pickup trucks and not suburban neighborhoods.
The dedicated bus lines project is this century’s canal fiasco. The next wave of public transit is quite obviously vehicular: ride sharing and self-driving cars.
It is passing sad to see Indianapolis throw away its automotive advantage just at the time when it could be the most useful to our citizenry.
What is the cost of ride sharing from the east side of Indianapolis to the airport? Probably in the $40 to $55 range. Hardly an economical alternative to the IndyGo BRT. And self-driving vehicles will never work in Indianapolis where in the winter road markings are covered in snow.
That very likely will never be a viable solution, but snow and visibility of road markings won’t be why.
Tech CEOs claimed back in 2013 that we would be at full autonomy by 2016 and we still aren’t much closer to full autonomy in 2026 as we were then. They won’t be cheap, they will likely worsen congestion, and they simply cannot fill the role that public transit does.
The dedicated bus lines are the best option for funding infrastructure in Indianapolis in some time. We give up lanes we haven’t needed in decades and in exchange get rebuilt roads.
self driving vehicles and ride sharing? how out of touch do you have to be to believe that is a solution? is that you Aaron Freeman?
At the end of the day, these are just buses. Nothing more, nothing less. People that believe they are the bain of existence are relying on outdated opinions. People arguing that they are transformative market generators and the equal to rail are chugging kool-aid.
The real issue here is that the overlay focuses too much on being restrictive and not enough on enticing the uses and designs planning staff keep trying to argue that it does. Read the code, it does no such thing. As for density or housing, that is wholly unaddressed. Quite frankly, everyone should demand that it be repealed and the City go back to the drawing board. I can’t imagine a single demographic it is satisfying with its existence.
There has already been a plebiscite on public transit; people voted with their wallets, and individual cars won out. In 1910, Indianapolis had the best Interurban system in the world. It ran at a profit.
Then, Henry Ford made automobiles affordable for average families. Average people preferred to come and go as they pleased and when and where they pleased, rather than waiting out in the rain, snow, or wind for an electric car.
So public transit demand declined and eventually public transit became a money loser as independent Americans showed their preference for traveling to their own destinations on their own timetables.
The money presently being spent on public transport is sufficient to buy a reliable car for every regular public transit user, with plenty of money left over.
Only non-drivers and convicted DUI offenders absolutely require public transport, in lieu of a more costly Lyft, or Uber or taxi cab.
I guess all that’s true and accurate IF you ignore the 2016 Transit Referendum, when the residents of Indianapolis-Marion County voted for a dedicated transit tax to fund the BRT system.
…there was a literal plebiscite in 2016 and public transit won.
Nothing better than seeing a wide open lane for 15 mins straight followed by a bus filled with people who can’t afford cars anyways. You aren’t taking cars off the street…
I don’t agree with your comment about full busses. As a matter of fact, I find it interesting the windows on the Red Line busses are blacked out so you can’t see the busses are running almost empty. Also, check on the non-existent human traffic at the bus stops.
That’s a fun, yet nonsensical, conspiracy theory. The windows on buses are tinted for the same reason as any private passenger vehicle: UV and thermal radiation control. There’s no grand conspiracy and you’re not edgy for saying it.
How about all businesses leave WASHINGTON ST, and the the 3 people riding a bus walk a block or 2 to find what they want. Stupid lib thinking on all bus lines.
The seething classism in this thread is why Republicans are going to lose this fall.
Just really highlights how miserable cars and driving are making so many Americans
+1 There’s a lot of outdated ideas in some of the above comments. People can’t even afford new cars yet we should continue building more lanes, dealing with traffic congestion, and parking in tight city streets? It makes no sense.
There are two types of people in this world and it doesn’t matter whether you are talking buses, business, politics, science, society, or anything. There are those who hate and resist change and those who accept and embrace it. Human evolution proves that those who embrace it survive and succeed and those who don’t make their own lives miserable and will eventually only exist in the history books.
+ 1,000!
Hard to argue, well stated.
The financial stability and sustainability will determine the life and use of our bus lines, all colors. What’s good here is getting West Washington Street rebuilt into some semblance of a cleaner, more organized and functional, and newer city street-highway. That in itself will provide for future investment and improved property values. The idealistic views of having to overlay new transit zoning is the weaker and more questionable mandate. Defined and less free-for-all curb cuts, visible edge of pavements and curb lines, consistent set backs, well defined and safe pedestrian and bicycle routes and crossings, along with tree lined edges, will dramatically help the perception and function of this ancient street. Whether the buses remain the ultimate solution for transit becomes irrelevant, the funding to rebuild the street is the long term and comprehensive improvement that’s been missing for the last 100 years.
Washington Street is a federal highway. It’s okay to share this street with cars and trucks. These vehicles will move tons more people than the fancy buses could ever hope to move.
There are no such things as “Federal Highways.”
All highways in the U.S., while they may receive Federal pass-through funding for maintenance and funding for initial construction, are relinquished to States and Cities following their completion. All Administration and O&M work is done by localities. Inside 465, Washington Street/U.S. 40 is entirely a local roadway controlled by the City of Indianapolis and Marion County.
Highways don’t have stop lights, not in these modern times.
A R. uh, you are PARTLY right!!! Interstate and US Highway’s such as US40, Washington St, ARE PART OF THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY SYSTEM!! GOOGLE IT!!! The part you’re right about, is the part about the individual states being responsible for maintenance.
They are part of the “Federal Highway System,” but the Federal Government does not have control over the highways. They do not directly manage their operations or maintain them. The Federal Government provides planning, guidance, and funding. The Federal Government plans the system, but it’s up to the States to execute it. There is no top-down process that forces States or Localities to build highways and the Federal Government itself does not build highways.
US40 inside 465 was relinquished by the State to the City of Indianapolis in 1972. Inside 465, the condition, cross-section, speed limits, maintenance, and operations are entirely managed by the City-County.
Can anyone truly explain why the Red Line stops only have 1 or 2 people at a time waiting for the bus? I live in Broad Ripple and you can regularly see the double length busses stacking up on North College. I saw 5 last week. Nobody at the stations to pick up. Maybe it would have made sense to use smaller vans to move a hand full of riders rather than spend hundreds of millions on infrastructure and Chinese Electric Busses. As ridership increases… grow to meet demand. “Build it and they will come” does not apply to forced transportation. I think as the congestion Indygo has caused around Town sinks in, the residents who can afford to exit for smooth sailing probably will.
THIS, RIGHT HERE!!! It’s that way up and down that entire line!!!! In fact, on the southside, the only ones using the shelters, are the meth head homeless!! IndyGO was SO HOPING that the U Indy students would use the RedLine to go back and forth to Broad Ripple, but that absolutely DID NOT HAPPEN!!! In fact, i doubt very seriously if ANY U Indy students use the RedLine at ALL!!